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Fly fishing question: As some of you may have figured out by some of my questions, I am trying to get back into fly fishing. I did it many years ago with a Walmart rig. Now I bought some middle grade rods and reels and stocked them with good line AT THE WEIGHT MARKED ON THE ROD. Here is my question: Of all the leader types, which one should I use? Does a 4X go with a 4 weight and 5X with a 5? What length should I use, what lbs test? Does it make a difference?

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from jamesti wrote 1 year 2 weeks ago

it really depends on what you are fishing for. yes, 4 goes with 4 and 5 goes with 5, but if you need to you can go up or down 1 number. larger fish, heavier leaders. go to www.christopherflaveflyfishing.com and see what he has. best leaders there are and you can contact him with any questions. tell him i sent you!

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from DCluver wrote 1 year 2 weeks ago

Tippet size has nothing to do with the weight of the rod. Fishing during the day I'll use 3-6x tippet but at night time ill just use 8-10 pound test on my 6wt rod. its all about if the fish can see the tippet

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from fezzant wrote 1 year 2 weeks ago

As DCulver said, the leader diameter and line weight are not related.

You will need to adjust your tippet / leader size to the fishing you're doing on any given day. Smaller tippet (higher number) is good for bright, clear conditions and spooky fish, or for more delicate presentation of smaller flies. Of course, it also has lower breaking strength. Larger tippet, conversely, will turn over a larger, heavier fly, and will withstand more abuse.

Length is also determined by how you plan to fish. Longer leaders can make softer presentations, and keep the line further from a fish in clear conditions. They can also get you into deeper water when combined with weighted flies while using a floating line. But the fly is carried by the weight of the line, not the leader, so the longer your leader, the harder it is to cast a heavier fly or a long distance (particularly if you're fighting the wind).

Different leaders can make a huge difference in how many fish you catch in some places. When fishing areas that see a lot of pressure, where fish are educated, and in clear water or bright conditions, smaller diamter, longer, lighter leaders are the rule. When fishing murky water or less cautious fish, it doesn't matter as much.

I typically fish 5x or 6x, 9 to 12 foot leaders for trout in very clear water.

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from badsmerf wrote 1 year 2 weeks ago

I would suggest reading some books or going in and talking to local flyfishing shops to get yourself set up. The leader/tippet along with correct knots to tie will take some explanation. I use a basic trout leader and have 2x and 4x tippets to add on depending on what presentation I want.

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from RockySquirrel wrote 1 year 2 weeks ago

badsmerf; Ask the guy in the fly shop?

You mean the fly shop that sold me a rig and told me to put a 5 weight line on a rod that was clearly marked for 4 weight. He said I would let me cast farther. Uh; That was a big NO! Created a piled up mess is what it did. I ask you guys, because the F&S blog has yet to let me down. That's why.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 2 weeks ago

Big questions not answered...What diameter is 4x tippet? What's the formula for figuring out what diameter the "X" size is? How do you match up the "X" size with the fly size? That's what were talkin about.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 2 weeks ago

So no one understands what leader/tippet diameter 4X tippet is, or any other size tippet? No one knows the formula, and how it matches what flies you choose to use, or how that matches up to the rod/line size you use? My word!

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from RockySquirrel wrote 1 year 2 weeks ago

Sayfu; we were waiting for you to weigh in. WHAT IS THE ANSWER?

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from Michael Yonts wrote 47 weeks 1 day ago

With respect sir, the question indicates you are very new to fly fishing. As stated the size of a tippet is completely different from the wt. of a line. Tippet size and leader building are a question of extreme debate. There are, however, some very general considerations. Primarily what will you be fishing with (i.e., big ol' 2/0 bass bug or itty bitty #28 midge) and concerns regarding spooking fish demanding a longer tippet. The Big Ol' Bass Bag on a 2/0 hook can be used with 5 1/2 to 6 feet of 10-15 lb monofilament without worrying to much about the line diameter, the midge in crystal clear water to fish that spook when wind is broke might need a very small diameter 14 ft leader. Given the tremendous variance in tippet construction I suggest hooking up with a local fly fishing club, or attending one of Orvis' free clinics and get a knowledgeable fly fisherman to help you.

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from jamesti wrote 1 year 2 weeks ago

it really depends on what you are fishing for. yes, 4 goes with 4 and 5 goes with 5, but if you need to you can go up or down 1 number. larger fish, heavier leaders. go to www.christopherflaveflyfishing.com and see what he has. best leaders there are and you can contact him with any questions. tell him i sent you!

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from DCluver wrote 1 year 2 weeks ago

Tippet size has nothing to do with the weight of the rod. Fishing during the day I'll use 3-6x tippet but at night time ill just use 8-10 pound test on my 6wt rod. its all about if the fish can see the tippet

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from fezzant wrote 1 year 2 weeks ago

As DCulver said, the leader diameter and line weight are not related.

You will need to adjust your tippet / leader size to the fishing you're doing on any given day. Smaller tippet (higher number) is good for bright, clear conditions and spooky fish, or for more delicate presentation of smaller flies. Of course, it also has lower breaking strength. Larger tippet, conversely, will turn over a larger, heavier fly, and will withstand more abuse.

Length is also determined by how you plan to fish. Longer leaders can make softer presentations, and keep the line further from a fish in clear conditions. They can also get you into deeper water when combined with weighted flies while using a floating line. But the fly is carried by the weight of the line, not the leader, so the longer your leader, the harder it is to cast a heavier fly or a long distance (particularly if you're fighting the wind).

Different leaders can make a huge difference in how many fish you catch in some places. When fishing areas that see a lot of pressure, where fish are educated, and in clear water or bright conditions, smaller diamter, longer, lighter leaders are the rule. When fishing murky water or less cautious fish, it doesn't matter as much.

I typically fish 5x or 6x, 9 to 12 foot leaders for trout in very clear water.

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from badsmerf wrote 1 year 2 weeks ago

I would suggest reading some books or going in and talking to local flyfishing shops to get yourself set up. The leader/tippet along with correct knots to tie will take some explanation. I use a basic trout leader and have 2x and 4x tippets to add on depending on what presentation I want.

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from RockySquirrel wrote 1 year 2 weeks ago

badsmerf; Ask the guy in the fly shop?

You mean the fly shop that sold me a rig and told me to put a 5 weight line on a rod that was clearly marked for 4 weight. He said I would let me cast farther. Uh; That was a big NO! Created a piled up mess is what it did. I ask you guys, because the F&S blog has yet to let me down. That's why.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 2 weeks ago

Big questions not answered...What diameter is 4x tippet? What's the formula for figuring out what diameter the "X" size is? How do you match up the "X" size with the fly size? That's what were talkin about.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 2 weeks ago

So no one understands what leader/tippet diameter 4X tippet is, or any other size tippet? No one knows the formula, and how it matches what flies you choose to use, or how that matches up to the rod/line size you use? My word!

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from RockySquirrel wrote 1 year 2 weeks ago

Sayfu; we were waiting for you to weigh in. WHAT IS THE ANSWER?

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from Michael Yonts wrote 47 weeks 1 day ago

With respect sir, the question indicates you are very new to fly fishing. As stated the size of a tippet is completely different from the wt. of a line. Tippet size and leader building are a question of extreme debate. There are, however, some very general considerations. Primarily what will you be fishing with (i.e., big ol' 2/0 bass bug or itty bitty #28 midge) and concerns regarding spooking fish demanding a longer tippet. The Big Ol' Bass Bag on a 2/0 hook can be used with 5 1/2 to 6 feet of 10-15 lb monofilament without worrying to much about the line diameter, the midge in crystal clear water to fish that spook when wind is broke might need a very small diameter 14 ft leader. Given the tremendous variance in tippet construction I suggest hooking up with a local fly fishing club, or attending one of Orvis' free clinics and get a knowledgeable fly fisherman to help you.

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