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I'm trying to figure out ways to get around paying top dollar for dry fly hackle. I realize that this is not a new quest, so I'm wondering what ideas others have come up with. Keep in mind, I'm not trying to win any fly tying beauty contests--I just want the hackle to float the fly and look like wings, tails, and/or legs when appropriate. Here are the things that I've tried/changed so far:
1. I tie parachute style, whenever possible, rather than wrapping the hackle Catskills style. If the legs are flush with the surface of the water, I suspect that I can jump up several sizes (and cheaper prices) to tie larger hackle on the fly. Is it just me, or does it seem like parachute dries work a little better with larger hackle, anyway?
2. I'm using bargain coq de leon whenever possible, then cutting it to size afterward. I got a bunch of cheap coz de leon on eBay, and it's quite large. It's also incredibly colorful and iridescent, so I was trying to figure out how to use it more. I'm tying up flies with it, then trimming with a scissors until it looks proportional.
3. I'm using small soft hackles and then adding head cement. I don't have ready access to materials as a need arises, so I was improvising with some colors that I didn't have available in dry fly hackle. I tied some hen hackle of the proper color in a parachute style, trimmed it to size (which cut away most of the webbiness), and then added a touch of head cement (hard as nails) to the underside as I was finishing the fly. It seems to work pretty good.
Finally, I have an idea that I'd like to try, but I don't have the materials needed right now to try. If you've seen the Petitjean Magic Tool for tying CDC, why couldn't we make one similar for trimming oversized hackles down to the size needed? I'm a school teacher, so I'm imagining a pre-sized paper cutter with lines to show where to place the plastic edge so as to cut the hackle down to the exact size needed. I realize that this will remove any special coloration from the tips, but I seem to mostly use grizzly, brown, dun, and black hackle anyway, and cutting the tips doesn't seem to hurt the overall effect.
Any thoughts on the above or, better yet, other recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
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I didn't read all of that..too much for me to focus on, but there is NO substitute for good hackele, NONE. Cutting the tapered tips of of poor hackle doesn't get it. I won't mention all the reasons why, but trust me, there are a number of reasons why. Best you can do is tie patterns that do not need use good hackle for dries...foam flies, no-hackle dries like comparaduns etc. Initial cost is high on hackle like Whiting "100's" but you can tie a lot of small dries on one hackle, and overall, a lot of flies per package. Using poor hackle just creates poor quality flies.
To be successful it's necessary to capitalize on surface tension. Well, that's the theory that was supposed to work in the back seat of my '53 Bel Air during the second feature at the drive-in (though more often than not I got MY hackles clipped). Okay, I'm guessing you teach English comp not physics so I'll try to explain. In order to make a dry fly float on top of the water you need to present a surface in contact with the water that introduces insignificant energy to separate the electrical bonds binding the water molecules to each other. The gravitation pull on a feather measured in mass/volume is sufficiently low enough to allow it to float on water. It can't generate enough power/surface area to push the molecules apart. A fish hook, on the other hand, has much greater mass/volume and the power generated by the force of gravity on the hook is sufficient to push the weak bonds between water molecules apart. The key here is to spread out the weight as much as possible. The shorter or thicker the hackle, the more dense the fly becomes and the greater probability for sinking. Finer hackle is more likely to trap pockets of air which will also make the fly more boyant (the air pockets essentially become part of the fly thereby dramatically reducing its total mass/volume). Tying your hackel parachute style is self-defeating. It allows most of the hook to come into contact with the water first, thereby allowing the surface tension to be broken. Then your fly is relying entirely on trapped air pockets for floatation. A typical parachute tied hackle of even good quality might actually be able to employ more air pockets per surface area with the water than a conventional hackel, but few bugs actually present that kind of structure (legs on their backs?). And again, thick clipped hackle doesn't trap much air no matter how it's used.
My suggestion might be for you to try spinning bucktail for hackle. No worries about clipping that stuff. It's hollow hair and much better for flotation than any chicken hackle no matter what the quality. Look for fawn bucktails and use the hair on the top (brown) side. A fawn's tail hair is marvelously fine and crinkly. The more crinkly it is, the more air pockets it will trap. You may have to beef up the base of the hackles with a bit of cement. Still I found flies I tied with the stuff were almost unsinkable and the fish hit them fine. It may take a bit of practice learning to spin the hair around the head of the hook but eventually you'll get the hang of it. And one bucktail will tie a helluva lot of flies. Anyway, give it a try and see what you think.
I don't believe that at all Honker. I don't know where you came up with that "parachute style is self defeating?" Huh? Parachute patterns float extremely well, and allow the fish to see the body portion, and the hackle/legs extending out to the side...very effective, and float well in heavy water. They then allow the fisher person to see the post.
I guess I have had different experiences. I have found parachute style are not as easy to keep on top and not particularly effective attracting fish. The body wrapping material is waterlogged the second the fly hits the water. A parachute adams is definitely easy to see on the water but I give the credit to the bucktail wings which also may contribute somewhat to flotation (hollow hair). A coachman is just as easy to see (but because of its body and tail materials certainly not the best at flotation either!).
I'd be interested in your thoughts on my hair hackle suggestion. The initial difficulty I had with hair hackle was keeping it erect after it's spun. Takes some liberal amounts of cement worked into the base of the hackle. Regular head cement can be a bit thick. I tried nail polish and as I recall (been a few years back), it worked okay. A trimmed hair hackle will not look as lifelike as the irregular appearance of natural feather hackle but if the fish insist on high floating flies, and if there's a lot of accessory action from smaller fish or whitefish/grayling, an all hair or mostly all hair dry fly is sometimes the answer because they're so tough and super at flotation. Freeking whitefish can pick good chicken hackle flies to pieces about as fast as I can tie them on. They're particularly adroit at going for the white wings.
i've always found that deer belly hair, which is the best for spinning floats better than any hackle you can find but i use them on different flies. just me i guess.
Thanks for the comments. This discussion has already been helpful.
I like parachute style because the body sits flush in the surface film, which seems to be the very reason why Ontario does NOT like them, and Sayfu does; to each his own, though, right? I'd bet that we all end up using what works best on our home waters. If the waters are more rough, I do use something with wrapped hackles that rides higher, but when I say "rough," I mean REALLY rough--where it has to bob like a cork.
I think that the parachute style also suggests spent spinner wings. I've used the oversized hackles for this, and it definitely works, but I also use other materials that float as much as possible: moose hair tail that is kept long (to the post), snowshoe post (the white hairs), and fine & dry dubbing. With some Aquel worked in, it floats very well, and even when the hackles drop below the surface tension, the snowshoe post keeps it up.
I like the idea of using spun deer hair for dry fly hackle, and I have no idea why I haven't thought of it before. I also appreciate the tip about fawn's tail hair. Wouldn't a drop of Zap-a-Gap on the threads while tying lock it all together? Do you spin them like a miniature bass bug/muddler head, except more sparse?
FYI, I teach social studies & business classes, but I did study English in college. My wife is an English teacher.
I taught HS social studies, govt, history, physics, chemistry, and biology. I now have a PhD in history. Sorry, I was being a bit sarcastic. Should have stuck a smiley in there so you'd know I wasn't serious.
Most body hair on a deer is straight and relatively thick, the kind of stuff you'd use for bass bugs or muddler heads. Doesn't work as well for hackle. Breaks off easier than the fawn bucktail. Calf hair is quite fine and crinkly and also pretty tough but not hollow so it doesn't float as well as deer, elk, or moose hair.
Spin it on there just like you'd do for a bass popper. It helps to have a sturdy shoulder on the fly body to push it up against. It takes some practice.
When you say "sturdy shoulder," do you mean the tail & body has already been tied in solid, so you can push against it?
Also, I assumed you were teasing about what I teach; I answered because I thought someone might be curious.
You will have to push against the shoulder to get the hair to stand straight up. If you have tightly wrapped an inner core of thread before wrapping the body material, that will help. Body material of something thick like yarn as opposed to something like floss or tinsel would work better at providing the shoulder. In other words something like a skinny mosquito pattern might be doable but tricky. Probably best to at least throw one half hitch with a touch of cement at the shoulder before proceeding to spin the hair hackle. Also, spinning a hair hackle requires quite a bit of pressure to make the hair "pop" so lighter (or cheaper) thread might not work very well.
You'll use your whip finish to put the hair hackle "in a bind" against the shoulder. That's what will keep the hair erect. As I'm sure you can see, the parachute style does not lend itself to tying hair hackle. You'll need the rigidity of the hook shank on which to spin the hair.
Ontario Hunter. Parachute style is extremely good at floating the fly. When you hackle perpendicular to the hook, the barbs that point straight down, penetrate the surface film, BUT the ones that angle to the slide ( \ ) offer the best support. Often I trim those off because the fish now sees the body better, and the fly sites lower, and you get more hookups. There is a very popular parachute pattern called a "Klinkenhimer"..the guys up on the Bitterroot, and Frontier Anglers Flyshop, call them Sprout Bugs. Tied on the curved pupa hook, you metal rib the back half of the fly, and use a pinch of marabou tail that does not support the hook from sinking. You want it to sink below the surface. The hook rides in the film virtually vertical supported ONLY by the parachute hackle and the small white floating yarn you've doped up. It has a scientific advantage in the fish sees the fly approaching BECAUSE a lot of the imitation is BELOW the surface film, and the fish sees the bug approaching in the REFLECTION off of the bottom. They can not see a floating fly until it enters their WINDOW of vision on the surface otherwise. I fish a lot of them. Thats the emerger concept near the surface notion that the fish often see better, and feed on, and parachutes get the job done.
If you tie a small fly like the mosquito mentioned, forget about material that floats that will encorporate bulk. There isn't that much hook "GAPE", or "GAP" anyway. YOu can have a thread body. The hook is supported by the hackle up top, and the supportive tail fibers at the back. The light wire small fly is then greatly supported by the MINISCUS...the surface flim tension. So much tension that an emerging bug often can not get through it, and dies a stillborn. I just had a guy tie me a small mosquito pattern at our very big fly tying expo who used no tail fibers, just thread, a very light, thin, non metallic rib, and a pinch of CDC tied angled up and back, and the head, butt portions trimmed like an elk haired caddis. Very good looking small fly pattern that will float very well as CDC floats very well. And deer hair?...has its problems if not used properly. Deer hair fibers that have lots of air in them BREAK very easily, and will actually soak up water through the cracks, and breaks, and become useless. I use it for winging, and it is very fishy stuff, and catches a lot of fish, but my wings have little air in them. Spinning as bas bugs is another deal, but be very cautious of using it for trout flies depending on its floatation. I've ruined many a stimulator pattern using a deer hair wing with air in it...mats together, soggs up, and ruins the pattern.
and Jan...some of the very best surface fishing I've had of recent for very big rainbows was on the Henry's Fork early last Summer. WE had an incredible grey drake hatch that lasted for a month which means the spinner fall is the important stage to represent for that bug. The number one pattern was the Parachute Adams that represented the dead, or dying spinners on the water...you could see it well, and what exciting fishing. And if you'll use floating yarn for the post, tie it down in the middle of the strand, then bring both ends up, and horizontal wrap around creating the post, then a wrap or two in front, and in back, you create NO BULK, and can then trim it to whatever length of post you want, dub around the base, hackle and done. It dopes up nicely. and you do not need to buy as expensive a neck because the hackle can be longer..no use for the tiny hackles at the bottom that create a lot of the expense.
This is good info. Sayfu, when I use poly yarn, I tie it like you described. I also use Klinkhammers, and I'm a fan of Tom Rosenbauer's Hare's Foot Emerger. I'd never tried the Clown Shoe Caddis until I saw it here, at F&S, but I've tied up a whole bunch of those. I mentioned in a posting on that page that I added an amber shuck, and I tie the hackle parachute-style. If it's meant to be an emerger, both made sense to me. It's still not thawed out enough here to try them out, but I expect them to be excellent.
Ontario, I'm going to try to make some of these later, probably in an Adams style.
Thanks for all of the feedback.
It is not just a matter of liking the parachute, it is why it is effective. Patterns that call for traditional hackling, I trim out a small "V" wedge underneath so the fly does sit lower in the water like real adult bugs do sit. The flies body shape is now seen by the fish much better. The fly will virtually always land right on the water, and not rock over to the side when cutting the V wedge, and hookups are better because the fish gets the hook better by sitting lower. A lot of seeing the fly on the water if it is seeable by having a visible post let's say, is good casting. You didn't drive the fly down into the water by turning over the loop to low, or you didn't open up your loop with a breeze blowing, and the fly was blown far from where you think it landed. We have mentioned that there are flies you can tie that float, and do not take expensive hackle. I'd say a majority of flies used today that float do not deploy expensive hackle. You can find ways around it. I've even got a surface midge pupa, the worm looking thing that I tie in a small, narrow piece of pink foam behind the head, and on top of the thorax for the emerging adult coming out of the pupa. Floats high in the film, I can't see it, but know where the fly landed, can twitch it, and when I see the swirl, I lift.
Sayfu, I agree, deer body hair tends to break rather easily. The bucktail is finer but still hollow. And, as I indicated, the tail from a fawn is particularly crinkly. Even when trimmed as a hackle it retains much more boyancy than chicken hackle. And you may be right, sometimes I have noticed TOO MUCH boyancy. Trimming a V out of the bottom of hair hackle might be just the ticket. Hair hackle flies are ten times more durable than chicken hackle, at least that's my experience. Using only bucktail and saturating the center with cement has something to do with it. I don't see that working with chicken hackle though. Too much buoyancy would be lost. The downside to hair hackle is it is more time consuming to tie, especially on very small flies (which require selecting very fine hair).
Sayfu, I agree, deer body hair tends to break rather easily. The bucktail is finer but still hollow. And, as I indicated, the tail from a fawn is particularly crinkly. Even when trimmed as a hackle it retains much more boyancy than chicken hackle. And you may be right, sometimes I have noticed TOO MUCH boyancy. Trimming a V out of the bottom of hair hackle might be just the ticket. Hair hackle flies are ten times more durable than chicken hackle, at least that's my experience. Using only bucktail and saturating the center with cement has something to do with it. I don't see that working with chicken hackle though. Too much buoyancy would be lost. The downside to hair hackle is it is more time consuming to tie, especially on very small flies (which require selecting very fine hair).
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i've always found that deer belly hair, which is the best for spinning floats better than any hackle you can find but i use them on different flies. just me i guess.
To be successful it's necessary to capitalize on surface tension. Well, that's the theory that was supposed to work in the back seat of my '53 Bel Air during the second feature at the drive-in (though more often than not I got MY hackles clipped). Okay, I'm guessing you teach English comp not physics so I'll try to explain. In order to make a dry fly float on top of the water you need to present a surface in contact with the water that introduces insignificant energy to separate the electrical bonds binding the water molecules to each other. The gravitation pull on a feather measured in mass/volume is sufficiently low enough to allow it to float on water. It can't generate enough power/surface area to push the molecules apart. A fish hook, on the other hand, has much greater mass/volume and the power generated by the force of gravity on the hook is sufficient to push the weak bonds between water molecules apart. The key here is to spread out the weight as much as possible. The shorter or thicker the hackle, the more dense the fly becomes and the greater probability for sinking. Finer hackle is more likely to trap pockets of air which will also make the fly more boyant (the air pockets essentially become part of the fly thereby dramatically reducing its total mass/volume). Tying your hackel parachute style is self-defeating. It allows most of the hook to come into contact with the water first, thereby allowing the surface tension to be broken. Then your fly is relying entirely on trapped air pockets for floatation. A typical parachute tied hackle of even good quality might actually be able to employ more air pockets per surface area with the water than a conventional hackel, but few bugs actually present that kind of structure (legs on their backs?). And again, thick clipped hackle doesn't trap much air no matter how it's used.
My suggestion might be for you to try spinning bucktail for hackle. No worries about clipping that stuff. It's hollow hair and much better for flotation than any chicken hackle no matter what the quality. Look for fawn bucktails and use the hair on the top (brown) side. A fawn's tail hair is marvelously fine and crinkly. The more crinkly it is, the more air pockets it will trap. You may have to beef up the base of the hackles with a bit of cement. Still I found flies I tied with the stuff were almost unsinkable and the fish hit them fine. It may take a bit of practice learning to spin the hair around the head of the hook but eventually you'll get the hang of it. And one bucktail will tie a helluva lot of flies. Anyway, give it a try and see what you think.
I don't believe that at all Honker. I don't know where you came up with that "parachute style is self defeating?" Huh? Parachute patterns float extremely well, and allow the fish to see the body portion, and the hackle/legs extending out to the side...very effective, and float well in heavy water. They then allow the fisher person to see the post.
I guess I have had different experiences. I have found parachute style are not as easy to keep on top and not particularly effective attracting fish. The body wrapping material is waterlogged the second the fly hits the water. A parachute adams is definitely easy to see on the water but I give the credit to the bucktail wings which also may contribute somewhat to flotation (hollow hair). A coachman is just as easy to see (but because of its body and tail materials certainly not the best at flotation either!).
I'd be interested in your thoughts on my hair hackle suggestion. The initial difficulty I had with hair hackle was keeping it erect after it's spun. Takes some liberal amounts of cement worked into the base of the hackle. Regular head cement can be a bit thick. I tried nail polish and as I recall (been a few years back), it worked okay. A trimmed hair hackle will not look as lifelike as the irregular appearance of natural feather hackle but if the fish insist on high floating flies, and if there's a lot of accessory action from smaller fish or whitefish/grayling, an all hair or mostly all hair dry fly is sometimes the answer because they're so tough and super at flotation. Freeking whitefish can pick good chicken hackle flies to pieces about as fast as I can tie them on. They're particularly adroit at going for the white wings.
I taught HS social studies, govt, history, physics, chemistry, and biology. I now have a PhD in history. Sorry, I was being a bit sarcastic. Should have stuck a smiley in there so you'd know I wasn't serious.
Most body hair on a deer is straight and relatively thick, the kind of stuff you'd use for bass bugs or muddler heads. Doesn't work as well for hackle. Breaks off easier than the fawn bucktail. Calf hair is quite fine and crinkly and also pretty tough but not hollow so it doesn't float as well as deer, elk, or moose hair.
Spin it on there just like you'd do for a bass popper. It helps to have a sturdy shoulder on the fly body to push it up against. It takes some practice.
You will have to push against the shoulder to get the hair to stand straight up. If you have tightly wrapped an inner core of thread before wrapping the body material, that will help. Body material of something thick like yarn as opposed to something like floss or tinsel would work better at providing the shoulder. In other words something like a skinny mosquito pattern might be doable but tricky. Probably best to at least throw one half hitch with a touch of cement at the shoulder before proceeding to spin the hair hackle. Also, spinning a hair hackle requires quite a bit of pressure to make the hair "pop" so lighter (or cheaper) thread might not work very well.
You'll use your whip finish to put the hair hackle "in a bind" against the shoulder. That's what will keep the hair erect. As I'm sure you can see, the parachute style does not lend itself to tying hair hackle. You'll need the rigidity of the hook shank on which to spin the hair.
Ontario Hunter. Parachute style is extremely good at floating the fly. When you hackle perpendicular to the hook, the barbs that point straight down, penetrate the surface film, BUT the ones that angle to the slide ( \ ) offer the best support. Often I trim those off because the fish now sees the body better, and the fly sites lower, and you get more hookups. There is a very popular parachute pattern called a "Klinkenhimer"..the guys up on the Bitterroot, and Frontier Anglers Flyshop, call them Sprout Bugs. Tied on the curved pupa hook, you metal rib the back half of the fly, and use a pinch of marabou tail that does not support the hook from sinking. You want it to sink below the surface. The hook rides in the film virtually vertical supported ONLY by the parachute hackle and the small white floating yarn you've doped up. It has a scientific advantage in the fish sees the fly approaching BECAUSE a lot of the imitation is BELOW the surface film, and the fish sees the bug approaching in the REFLECTION off of the bottom. They can not see a floating fly until it enters their WINDOW of vision on the surface otherwise. I fish a lot of them. Thats the emerger concept near the surface notion that the fish often see better, and feed on, and parachutes get the job done.
If you tie a small fly like the mosquito mentioned, forget about material that floats that will encorporate bulk. There isn't that much hook "GAPE", or "GAP" anyway. YOu can have a thread body. The hook is supported by the hackle up top, and the supportive tail fibers at the back. The light wire small fly is then greatly supported by the MINISCUS...the surface flim tension. So much tension that an emerging bug often can not get through it, and dies a stillborn. I just had a guy tie me a small mosquito pattern at our very big fly tying expo who used no tail fibers, just thread, a very light, thin, non metallic rib, and a pinch of CDC tied angled up and back, and the head, butt portions trimmed like an elk haired caddis. Very good looking small fly pattern that will float very well as CDC floats very well. And deer hair?...has its problems if not used properly. Deer hair fibers that have lots of air in them BREAK very easily, and will actually soak up water through the cracks, and breaks, and become useless. I use it for winging, and it is very fishy stuff, and catches a lot of fish, but my wings have little air in them. Spinning as bas bugs is another deal, but be very cautious of using it for trout flies depending on its floatation. I've ruined many a stimulator pattern using a deer hair wing with air in it...mats together, soggs up, and ruins the pattern.
and Jan...some of the very best surface fishing I've had of recent for very big rainbows was on the Henry's Fork early last Summer. WE had an incredible grey drake hatch that lasted for a month which means the spinner fall is the important stage to represent for that bug. The number one pattern was the Parachute Adams that represented the dead, or dying spinners on the water...you could see it well, and what exciting fishing. And if you'll use floating yarn for the post, tie it down in the middle of the strand, then bring both ends up, and horizontal wrap around creating the post, then a wrap or two in front, and in back, you create NO BULK, and can then trim it to whatever length of post you want, dub around the base, hackle and done. It dopes up nicely. and you do not need to buy as expensive a neck because the hackle can be longer..no use for the tiny hackles at the bottom that create a lot of the expense.
It is not just a matter of liking the parachute, it is why it is effective. Patterns that call for traditional hackling, I trim out a small "V" wedge underneath so the fly does sit lower in the water like real adult bugs do sit. The flies body shape is now seen by the fish much better. The fly will virtually always land right on the water, and not rock over to the side when cutting the V wedge, and hookups are better because the fish gets the hook better by sitting lower. A lot of seeing the fly on the water if it is seeable by having a visible post let's say, is good casting. You didn't drive the fly down into the water by turning over the loop to low, or you didn't open up your loop with a breeze blowing, and the fly was blown far from where you think it landed. We have mentioned that there are flies you can tie that float, and do not take expensive hackle. I'd say a majority of flies used today that float do not deploy expensive hackle. You can find ways around it. I've even got a surface midge pupa, the worm looking thing that I tie in a small, narrow piece of pink foam behind the head, and on top of the thorax for the emerging adult coming out of the pupa. Floats high in the film, I can't see it, but know where the fly landed, can twitch it, and when I see the swirl, I lift.
Sayfu, I agree, deer body hair tends to break rather easily. The bucktail is finer but still hollow. And, as I indicated, the tail from a fawn is particularly crinkly. Even when trimmed as a hackle it retains much more boyancy than chicken hackle. And you may be right, sometimes I have noticed TOO MUCH boyancy. Trimming a V out of the bottom of hair hackle might be just the ticket. Hair hackle flies are ten times more durable than chicken hackle, at least that's my experience. Using only bucktail and saturating the center with cement has something to do with it. I don't see that working with chicken hackle though. Too much buoyancy would be lost. The downside to hair hackle is it is more time consuming to tie, especially on very small flies (which require selecting very fine hair).
Sayfu, I agree, deer body hair tends to break rather easily. The bucktail is finer but still hollow. And, as I indicated, the tail from a fawn is particularly crinkly. Even when trimmed as a hackle it retains much more boyancy than chicken hackle. And you may be right, sometimes I have noticed TOO MUCH boyancy. Trimming a V out of the bottom of hair hackle might be just the ticket. Hair hackle flies are ten times more durable than chicken hackle, at least that's my experience. Using only bucktail and saturating the center with cement has something to do with it. I don't see that working with chicken hackle though. Too much buoyancy would be lost. The downside to hair hackle is it is more time consuming to tie, especially on very small flies (which require selecting very fine hair).
I didn't read all of that..too much for me to focus on, but there is NO substitute for good hackele, NONE. Cutting the tapered tips of of poor hackle doesn't get it. I won't mention all the reasons why, but trust me, there are a number of reasons why. Best you can do is tie patterns that do not need use good hackle for dries...foam flies, no-hackle dries like comparaduns etc. Initial cost is high on hackle like Whiting "100's" but you can tie a lot of small dries on one hackle, and overall, a lot of flies per package. Using poor hackle just creates poor quality flies.
Thanks for the comments. This discussion has already been helpful.
I like parachute style because the body sits flush in the surface film, which seems to be the very reason why Ontario does NOT like them, and Sayfu does; to each his own, though, right? I'd bet that we all end up using what works best on our home waters. If the waters are more rough, I do use something with wrapped hackles that rides higher, but when I say "rough," I mean REALLY rough--where it has to bob like a cork.
I think that the parachute style also suggests spent spinner wings. I've used the oversized hackles for this, and it definitely works, but I also use other materials that float as much as possible: moose hair tail that is kept long (to the post), snowshoe post (the white hairs), and fine & dry dubbing. With some Aquel worked in, it floats very well, and even when the hackles drop below the surface tension, the snowshoe post keeps it up.
I like the idea of using spun deer hair for dry fly hackle, and I have no idea why I haven't thought of it before. I also appreciate the tip about fawn's tail hair. Wouldn't a drop of Zap-a-Gap on the threads while tying lock it all together? Do you spin them like a miniature bass bug/muddler head, except more sparse?
FYI, I teach social studies & business classes, but I did study English in college. My wife is an English teacher.
When you say "sturdy shoulder," do you mean the tail & body has already been tied in solid, so you can push against it?
Also, I assumed you were teasing about what I teach; I answered because I thought someone might be curious.
This is good info. Sayfu, when I use poly yarn, I tie it like you described. I also use Klinkhammers, and I'm a fan of Tom Rosenbauer's Hare's Foot Emerger. I'd never tried the Clown Shoe Caddis until I saw it here, at F&S, but I've tied up a whole bunch of those. I mentioned in a posting on that page that I added an amber shuck, and I tie the hackle parachute-style. If it's meant to be an emerger, both made sense to me. It's still not thawed out enough here to try them out, but I expect them to be excellent.
Ontario, I'm going to try to make some of these later, probably in an Adams style.
Thanks for all of the feedback.
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