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I need help in selecting which kayak to get. I need one that I can fly fish off of, so it needs to be sturdy enough for me to stand. I would also like to do some duck hunting out of it, but I would likely just load it with gear and pull behind my current small boat, but I want to be able to shoot off of the kayak if I ever needed too. I would like for one sturdy enough for my 80 pound lab to come with me (he's very calm). The catch is, it must be light enough for my 100 pound wife to be able to carry. Does this exist? If not, what dimensions should i be looking at to be able to stand somewhat safely? Am I better of just getting two, one big one for me to do my activities and a smaller one that the wife can handle? She's interested in it solely from an exercise standpoint.

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from Edward J. Palumbo wrote 13 weeks 2 days ago

I use a Cobra Fish'n'Dive kayak as a scuba platform and a fishing kayak. It's a sit-on-top that has a relatively broad beam for stability and it provides good load capacity. My air cylinder, BC, regulator and weights plus fins, camera and accessories is a healthy load, and my son sat in the bow when he was younger. The same kayak has served me well for more than eleven years. My wife uses a different model, a Wilderness Systems "Shaman", that has a faster hull design and maneuvers well. It'll serve for fishing but it's narrower and not quite as stable as mine. I don't stand, but it's stable enough to permit climbing aboard after a dive (though there's some technique involved). I use ultralight spinning rods and open-faced spinning reels. I'm sure there are others that will suit your needs. There's been a proliferation of new models in the last decade. It's well worth looking into it. I often use my kayak for bird photography because it isn't as alarming as a photographer afoot. I may have a photo of it in my profile.

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from jhjimbo wrote 13 weeks 2 days ago

I use a Wilderness Pimlico 10' for fishing and camping.
It has a comfortable class III seat fully adjustable but i do not stand in it. Three days of equipment, food and myself weigh about 300 and it handles that fine. Easy to paddle and i don't think i have ever used the spray skirt. As Ed said, check some of the new models for a stable boat to stand on. They may be more stable but will probably also weigh more. Of course you can always have your wife portage it. Not.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 13 weeks 2 days ago

Yeah, I think a standup kayak is going to be a tall order. Consider the kick platforms. They are the bees knees for fly fishing.

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from PigHunter wrote 13 weeks 2 days ago

I suggest a small canoe instead with outriggers as a possibility.

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from PigHunter wrote 13 weeks 2 days ago

You are probably better off to get your wife her own kayak so that she doesn't try to handle too large of a boat alone.

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from Drover1 wrote 13 weeks 2 days ago

Kayaks are great for fishing, but I don’t know any that would be stable enough for standing and flycasting. I do a lot of fishing from a canoe, and I stand up in that all the time, including for flyfishing. I probably shouldn’t but I’ve been doing it for years. With practice, you can flycast pretty well from a seated position. I’ve done it in kayaks and canoes, and it’s a little easier from a canoe since you are sitting a little higher. You won’t be able to cast as far as you can standing, but flyfishing from a kayak is doable.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 13 weeks 2 days ago

That's the fly fishing advantage to kick platforms: you're sitting much higher out of the water than either a canoe or kayak or float tube (which is about the lowest!). They are also totally stable and very portable. If you decide to go the canoe route and you want to stand up in it (which in any event I really don't recommend without a lot of practice - I'm a former Red Cross canoe instructor and that sort of thing is absolutely forbidden in the training manuals), buy a heavier canoe, not one of the superlight (and super expensive) kevlar models like I have. Probably a "tupperware" type (Coleman, etc.) would be the only thing I'd even attempt to stand up and fish out of. Still, it's just not a good idea. Outriggers on a canoe get in the way when you're fishing out of one. Good way to lose a lot of fish.

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from redfishunter wrote 13 weeks 2 days ago

Thanks guys. Always helpful. I'm going to shop around for a canoe with similar dimensions to the one Edward uses.

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from redfishunter wrote 13 weeks 2 days ago

kayak. not canoe. my bad.

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from Teodoro wrote 13 weeks 1 day ago

OHH,

I recently picked up a used Tupperware canoe cheap. I'd like to learn more about how to use it. I've checked, and there aren't any Red Cross classes near me soon. Can you recommend some written materials that could help with the theory at least? Practicing by myself won't be perfect, but I figure it'd be better than nothing.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 13 weeks 1 day ago

Sorry, I don't have anything for you. I'll have a look on-line. The things you really need to concentrate on as far as safety goes are 1) getting in and out of the canoe 2) righting and getting back into the canoe out in the lake if it tips. #2 is, of course, extremely important up here as the water in many lakes stays extremely cold till quite late in the season. Righting an overturned canoe and getting back into it is a real art and takes a lot of practice and a bit of physical strength. Heavy canoes like yours are especially challenging. But I think it can be done (have never actually attempted it with a Tupperware type). Also, it is very important to keep the canoe in balance. If you're paddling alone, reverse the canoe (so stern is going forward) and that will put your seat closer to the center. Always have enough ballast in the front to keep the canoe level in the water otherwise you'll be spending twice as much effort trying to keep it going straight in the water. There's a lot of other stuff that a canoe class could teach you about paddling finesse and portaging but you can kinda figure that out on your own. Work on #1 and #2 above. Almost everybody I see getting into and out of a canoe doesn't know how to do it properly and I'm sure they get wet a lot (especially with the new lightweight models like mine!). Knock on wood, I have only got wet once with my canoe and that's when I was first trying to get the dogs into it. Word of warning on that: I do not advise any of you guys with GSPs or other overly "restless" breeds of hunting dogs to try that stunt. A dog must be ABSOLUTELY under control in a canoe. Imagine me with THREE in it! Well, I do it regularly. And on a nearby city reservoir full of honkers swimming around us! Speaks volumes about my dogs. And maybe a bit about the old fart who owns them. I see lots of folks snapping pictures of us out there but no one has sent me one yet, unfortunately.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 13 weeks 1 day ago

Okay, here's a gal that seems to use the same method we taught for righting a capsized canoe. h.ttp://searchwarp.com/swa262686.htm

She has lots of good tips. I note she says to tie at least one extra paddle in the canoe which I should do. That way one doesn't have to fiddle with always keeping track of a paddle in the water while trying to flip the canoe (getting into a canoe without a paddle is useless). By the way, if you are alone in a canoe ALWAYS make sure you have two paddles. It is fairly common to lose grip on one or it slips over board when trying to land a fish, etc. You'll never catch it if you don't have another one.

Here's a good site with some fine illustrations for proper entry into canoe. h.ttp://www.redrockstore.com/getincanoe.html
This lodge is right up the road from where I live and the canoe they are using in the demonstration is exactly like mine. Souris River canoes are quickly becoming the go-to craft for all the outfitters up here on both sides of the border. Downside is mine cost three grand at the factory! But at only forty pounds and tougher than nails it's really worth it.

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from Teodoro wrote 13 weeks 23 hours ago

Thanks! I'll check all that out.

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from Edward J. Palumbo wrote 13 weeks 2 days ago

I use a Cobra Fish'n'Dive kayak as a scuba platform and a fishing kayak. It's a sit-on-top that has a relatively broad beam for stability and it provides good load capacity. My air cylinder, BC, regulator and weights plus fins, camera and accessories is a healthy load, and my son sat in the bow when he was younger. The same kayak has served me well for more than eleven years. My wife uses a different model, a Wilderness Systems "Shaman", that has a faster hull design and maneuvers well. It'll serve for fishing but it's narrower and not quite as stable as mine. I don't stand, but it's stable enough to permit climbing aboard after a dive (though there's some technique involved). I use ultralight spinning rods and open-faced spinning reels. I'm sure there are others that will suit your needs. There's been a proliferation of new models in the last decade. It's well worth looking into it. I often use my kayak for bird photography because it isn't as alarming as a photographer afoot. I may have a photo of it in my profile.

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from jhjimbo wrote 13 weeks 2 days ago

I use a Wilderness Pimlico 10' for fishing and camping.
It has a comfortable class III seat fully adjustable but i do not stand in it. Three days of equipment, food and myself weigh about 300 and it handles that fine. Easy to paddle and i don't think i have ever used the spray skirt. As Ed said, check some of the new models for a stable boat to stand on. They may be more stable but will probably also weigh more. Of course you can always have your wife portage it. Not.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 13 weeks 2 days ago

Yeah, I think a standup kayak is going to be a tall order. Consider the kick platforms. They are the bees knees for fly fishing.

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from PigHunter wrote 13 weeks 2 days ago

I suggest a small canoe instead with outriggers as a possibility.

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from PigHunter wrote 13 weeks 2 days ago

You are probably better off to get your wife her own kayak so that she doesn't try to handle too large of a boat alone.

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from Drover1 wrote 13 weeks 2 days ago

Kayaks are great for fishing, but I don’t know any that would be stable enough for standing and flycasting. I do a lot of fishing from a canoe, and I stand up in that all the time, including for flyfishing. I probably shouldn’t but I’ve been doing it for years. With practice, you can flycast pretty well from a seated position. I’ve done it in kayaks and canoes, and it’s a little easier from a canoe since you are sitting a little higher. You won’t be able to cast as far as you can standing, but flyfishing from a kayak is doable.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 13 weeks 2 days ago

That's the fly fishing advantage to kick platforms: you're sitting much higher out of the water than either a canoe or kayak or float tube (which is about the lowest!). They are also totally stable and very portable. If you decide to go the canoe route and you want to stand up in it (which in any event I really don't recommend without a lot of practice - I'm a former Red Cross canoe instructor and that sort of thing is absolutely forbidden in the training manuals), buy a heavier canoe, not one of the superlight (and super expensive) kevlar models like I have. Probably a "tupperware" type (Coleman, etc.) would be the only thing I'd even attempt to stand up and fish out of. Still, it's just not a good idea. Outriggers on a canoe get in the way when you're fishing out of one. Good way to lose a lot of fish.

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from redfishunter wrote 13 weeks 2 days ago

Thanks guys. Always helpful. I'm going to shop around for a canoe with similar dimensions to the one Edward uses.

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from redfishunter wrote 13 weeks 2 days ago

kayak. not canoe. my bad.

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from Teodoro wrote 13 weeks 1 day ago

OHH,

I recently picked up a used Tupperware canoe cheap. I'd like to learn more about how to use it. I've checked, and there aren't any Red Cross classes near me soon. Can you recommend some written materials that could help with the theory at least? Practicing by myself won't be perfect, but I figure it'd be better than nothing.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 13 weeks 1 day ago

Sorry, I don't have anything for you. I'll have a look on-line. The things you really need to concentrate on as far as safety goes are 1) getting in and out of the canoe 2) righting and getting back into the canoe out in the lake if it tips. #2 is, of course, extremely important up here as the water in many lakes stays extremely cold till quite late in the season. Righting an overturned canoe and getting back into it is a real art and takes a lot of practice and a bit of physical strength. Heavy canoes like yours are especially challenging. But I think it can be done (have never actually attempted it with a Tupperware type). Also, it is very important to keep the canoe in balance. If you're paddling alone, reverse the canoe (so stern is going forward) and that will put your seat closer to the center. Always have enough ballast in the front to keep the canoe level in the water otherwise you'll be spending twice as much effort trying to keep it going straight in the water. There's a lot of other stuff that a canoe class could teach you about paddling finesse and portaging but you can kinda figure that out on your own. Work on #1 and #2 above. Almost everybody I see getting into and out of a canoe doesn't know how to do it properly and I'm sure they get wet a lot (especially with the new lightweight models like mine!). Knock on wood, I have only got wet once with my canoe and that's when I was first trying to get the dogs into it. Word of warning on that: I do not advise any of you guys with GSPs or other overly "restless" breeds of hunting dogs to try that stunt. A dog must be ABSOLUTELY under control in a canoe. Imagine me with THREE in it! Well, I do it regularly. And on a nearby city reservoir full of honkers swimming around us! Speaks volumes about my dogs. And maybe a bit about the old fart who owns them. I see lots of folks snapping pictures of us out there but no one has sent me one yet, unfortunately.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 13 weeks 1 day ago

Okay, here's a gal that seems to use the same method we taught for righting a capsized canoe. h.ttp://searchwarp.com/swa262686.htm

She has lots of good tips. I note she says to tie at least one extra paddle in the canoe which I should do. That way one doesn't have to fiddle with always keeping track of a paddle in the water while trying to flip the canoe (getting into a canoe without a paddle is useless). By the way, if you are alone in a canoe ALWAYS make sure you have two paddles. It is fairly common to lose grip on one or it slips over board when trying to land a fish, etc. You'll never catch it if you don't have another one.

Here's a good site with some fine illustrations for proper entry into canoe. h.ttp://www.redrockstore.com/getincanoe.html
This lodge is right up the road from where I live and the canoe they are using in the demonstration is exactly like mine. Souris River canoes are quickly becoming the go-to craft for all the outfitters up here on both sides of the border. Downside is mine cost three grand at the factory! But at only forty pounds and tougher than nails it's really worth it.

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from Teodoro wrote 13 weeks 23 hours ago

Thanks! I'll check all that out.

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