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Question by hfedder40. Uploaded on May 22, 2011
Just spend the $2 at walmart.
Pellets arent expensive at all kid.
The chemicals that you will end up using to make the pellets will cost you more in the long run. Screw Walmart; buy them online (Amazon.com over $25 free shipping... 10000 rounds for $15)
Like they said; not at all cost effective. Unless your snowed in. You can file them out of a lead rod. Just kidding.
A very easy way to mold lead would be to carve some wooden patterns that would have the correct percentage of shrinkage for molton lead added to them as well as a sprew piece which is where you will eventually pour. Then you can cast the pattern pieces in 0 percent shrinking room temperture vulcanizing silicone rubber like that used by Jewelry makers. It helps to have the silicone mold on a viberating table while it cures to help get all the air out. Then with a razor blade carefully split the silicone mold. You can buy good lead that will poor at 350 degrees F and the silicone mold will handle up to 400 degrees F and last for a pretty good run of pouring. Getting the temperature up to 450 or more and the molds will not last very long. If the pellets do not want to mold completely, you may have to vent the molds. I pour lead in silicone molds all the time to make new design jig heads. By the way, it is not cheep done this way, but I get parts to experiment with. You can pull both negative and positive parts out of silicones.
Oh I almost forgot, you will also need at minimum a cast iron pot of some kind to melt the lead in and a ladle to pour with.
Get yourself a chunk of aluminum 2"x2"x6" ,drill .177" holes down into the sides of the block evenly spaced about 3/8"" apart but only drill into the block about 1/4" deep. Now once you have your holes drilled get out another drill bit #18 wire gauge is about perfect for the .177 and drill dead center of the holes ,this is for the hollow section of the mold. Now on both ends of the block drill and tap a 1/4" hole for a block plate to hold it together after you cut the block in half right through your slug holes. But first you gotta drill and tap each slug hole with the correct plug.pretty small tap for #18 wire, or you can just place the metal wire inside each hole as you pour. Actually you can make a rod holder that lays on the top of the block any pour around it. Bevel the holes and then cut the block down through you slug holes and you are ready to pour. Shouldn't cost you anymore then $40 to have somebody cut,drill and tap the holes for you. The wire rods have to be 3/32" into the holes. you'l have to cut or knock off the spew after you unlock the halfs. Good luck. Cheaper,Easier and way way faster to just buy some pellets though. But hey, have you listened to anything we have said yet?
I believe your going down the wrong road. Very small lead pellets are made much the same way as lead bullets were made in the 1800's. They are extruded under tons of pressure, not cast.
I think messing around with Pb (lead) in liquid form is something that should be avoided if at all possible and if you have to be around it you have to be extremely careful. The fumes released by lead are really nasty and harmful, why put yourself in harms way when air rifle pellets are fairly cheap and do what you need them to?
Melting lead is one of the most dangerous things that one can do. Permanent irreversable damge from lead fumes can cause all sorts of healh problems.
I have to differ on lead handling. I had 35 years in the phone company. Our cable was lead sheathed. We would wipe our lead sleeves with a 60/40 mix of lead and tin. I was also an instructor in that ancient art. If that isn't enough my dad was a house painter. Before Latex paint. So I can speak with some authority. The easiest way to get lead poisoning is thru lead Oxide. That white dust or black film you get on your hands. So wash your hands before you eat a sandwich and don't put a dirty bullet in your mouth. This is not to say you can not raise your lead levels by inhalation. But you would need a very busy indoor range with very bad ventilation. The real danger with lead oxide is once it's in. It's in you for good. But it has to be oxide to be absorbed. Give junior a shiny bullet to eat. In a day you will see the bullet with no difference in his lead level. As a historical side note the Ancient Romans used to sweeten their wine with lead oxide and paid the price.
PS To further clarify and put lead in context. Most electric lead pots do not reach a high enough temperature to atomize lead. You would have to crank up the propane Turkey Cooker to even come close. Think of water boiling then steam. Further more take a clean bullet rub it on white paper. See the dark line, don't eat the paper. WASH YOUR HANDS
Just buying pellets would be cheaper and much easier.
Again lead (or any other metal you may use) and the subsequent vapors that may be released through heating/molding are way more harful to you than the trip to your local superstore.
Bee and am; just was your hands
I wouldn't get too many of them because judging from your post they will be taken away from you after the first neighbor's phone call.
Carl you aren't making good points here. Your implication with steam and water is also a little misleading. Water (and all other compounds and elements) have certain 'states' i.e. solid, liquid, gas. The changing between these states varies with ambient conditions, partial pressures etc. Water can produce steam below its transition temperature (from water to water vapor/steam/gas) of 100 degrees C depending on the fluctuations in ambient conditions...
To clarify handling lead... though it shouldn't need to be clarified... is extremely dangerous when considering changing 'states' solid-liquid etc. The body has no mechanisms for metabolizing lead, so the stuff just accumulates in the body, and being that lead is a neurotoxin there is no reason to risk inhaling the vapors or potentially eating the stuff...
short story long... Buy the things don't make them... unless you have a HAZMAT suit laying around that you are just dying to use
Wonder if he's killed anything yet? lmao
I worry more about welding galvanized steel than melting lead for bullets in a ventilated environment. Inhaling sawdust from treated wood, dust from cutting concrete, and working on remodels where asbestos(especially in insulating elbows around pre-1960 pipes) was used in materials is hazardous. In some parts of the world using basic protection and participating in activities where these dangers are encountered, considered, and overcome is called work. Work is what built our infrastructure, and lack of work is what is leading to its collapse. Let us know how the gun shoots hfedder
There seems to be a great deal of hysteria about lead. If you don't get the water-steam analogy. Here's another heavy metal story. I had friends that worked at the World Trade Center during and after the hit. They wound up with 11 times the allowable blood levels of Mercury. They were later told [by OSHA]that this could only happen when it was burned at a very high heat or explosion. If you don't already know Mercury is a very common element in computers and fluorescent lights. As far as asbestos goes again it has to be friable [small air born pieces] and as far as pressure treated lumber. Ask any Fireman why he doesn't stand down wind of a lumber yard fire. Unless your in the Abatement Business and only have a passing use of the above you aren't going to fall over dead. We where held to a higher standard because we handled it daily with no ill efects. I don't see any angry posts about Breakstone Butter given the deaths due to heart disease. Now that's dangerous. I hope this clears this subject up.
PS The Mercury was later arrested using a process called Chelation. Similar but not the same as Chemotherapy.
PPS I just remembered another story that may be of some help. We had an Installer-Repairmen come up with the highest Lead levels in the company. Since he did not come into contact with Lead on the job it was a mystery. Very long story short. He had quit smoking and started chewing on a piece of plastic jacket from inside wire. Because a Lead compound was added for UV protection and color retention that's how he got it.
you have a point with the galvanized metals etc., but we were talking about lead...work may have built our infrastructure, but lack of foresight and sustainability is what is leading to its collapse.
Carl you mind explaining to me how chelation is similar to chemotherapy.
Both are a chemical cocktail that is given intravenously. Both don't make you feel good. Both have a detrimental although reversible effect on the body. Both are better than the disease. Chelation uses something called DMSA and ALA which affect the kidneys and other organs. Like I said similar but not the same. Again hfedder cheaper and easier to buy them; and stay away from truly dangerous and deadly substances like Alcohol, Tobacco and Butter. That's what's really harming people.
hfedder 40, Please read all these posts. You can clearly see that making pellets is not easy OR SAFE without the correct equipment and some knowledge and experience!! It is a job best taken on by someone with experience and the right equipment period. I have open poured metals of all kinds including bronze, cast iron and aluminum. I have made patterns, match plates, and molds. Now I am retired with bad health today that just be related to some of the things I have been exposed to over the years. Yes you can do it. Yes it is good to have knowledge on the subject. Yes your forefathers made their own. But you can buy them much cheeper and a great bit safer.
santa makes a very good point. Handling any unfamiliar substance has a risk. You should be familiar with all the dangers. Even then there is the unexpected. One more story. Back in 1975 we had a Central Office fire in Manhattan. Because of the HUGE amount of plastic sheave cable toxins [PCP] were put in the air from a normally benign substance. The Firemen even though they wore SCOT PACKS could not be protected from the fumes. Three quarters developed cancer after the fire. +1 santa for the unexpected.
As a segway to a useful tip. My dad would never eat lunch or handle any fatty meat with dirty hands. Remember lead paint. If you have paint or any other similar substance. Get a piece of Baloney or any other fatty meat and use it like Hand Cleaner. You will be surprised how clean your hands will become.
Thanks Carl, and glad to see you are back on board. I think you migh have mean PCBs or Polychlorinatedbiphenyl's instead of PCP ... PCBs are nastey stuff... I think PCP is a halucinagen.
Sorry I'm an environmental scientist here in Anchorage, and deal with lead paint, asbestos, PCBs, BTEX, TPH, etc. contamination and remediation quite often. Sorry if I get a little heated when the topics come up.
It also appears that I need to work on my typing...
Sorry I forgot the lower case s. But my guys have lived in the real world. I have a cousin who is a surgeon in Anchorage. So I know how you might be a little sensitive with heavy metal. This given the use of mercury and arsenic in the gold industry. If I can give you a little advice 'better to be around the block, than around a tree".
PS with all respect it has to do with the level of exposure. Many years ago all water service was a lead pipe and gasoline had lead compounds. This has been changed. Myself I learned to wipe a plumbers joint on water pipe. A lost and artistic method.
As an addendum to this thread. Myself personally having placed lead cable at 28lbs per foot and wiping with a 40lbs lead pot. If I could give you a "Ball Park" estimate. I handled app 30 tons of lead cable and wiped with 10's of thousands of pounds of wiping solder. With no ill effects. I hope this is clear.
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Ya, I hear ya. I use lead as weight all summer to fish with, granted not to the extent that you do, but no ill effects here. Then again I'm not melting it down or breathing in the fumes either
it would be safer for you to just spend the money & buy them @walmart.
If you get just one little thing wrong when making them, they could clog the barrel & end up causing the weapon to blow up in your face. for the cost of pellets at walmart, it's just not worth your life.
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