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Question by CHKILCHII. Uploaded on July 19, 2011
Here we go with the long range shooting thing again... What is long range to you?
The 8mm Mauser round properly hand loaded with slugs in the 180 to 200 grain range will leave little on the table to the 30/06 and is suitable for shooting big game out to 300 yards if the gunner is capable.
Factory 8mm Mauser rounds are loaded to very low pressure levels due to all the suspect Mauser rifles of various vintages and specifications including those with .318 bore diameters out there.
That said... the condition of the barrel, chamber and type of sighting system will influence greatly your ability to hit with a surplus rifle. Many of the Yugo Mausers and even German Mausers had chambers cut oversize to accomodate dirty or oversize ammo. Such rifles typically are not the most accurate guns on the block. I've also seen many with head spacing issues. It is not at all uncommon for these rifles to have been made up from spare parts. Usually a barrel/receiver will get get fitted with a non-matching bolt (check serial numbers). As we are getting to the bottom of the barrel with mauser rifles now this is quite common. If you don't know what you are looking at with Mauser or any other former military bolt guns you can end up with an expensive pile of parts.
If you are looking for a good Mauser type rifle that is ready for a scope and won't break the bank check auction sites like Gun Broker for FN made mauser rifles sold by Sears (Ted Williams & JC Higgins) and H&R. You typically can pick one of these guns up for $250 or less and they make excellent platforms for rebarreling and restocking. Most were chambered in 30/06 and .270 Winchester.
Amen, Bee well said.
They were excellent guns! The Nazi's infantry's main weapon was the 8mm mauser, they were plowing through Europe, Africa, and even some of Asia with that gun! Accurate? heck yeah!!! Long distance? Well it's depends on what you consider long distance... It's accurate at about 400 yards depending on barrel length, and bullet weight.
When I dropped my 98 8mm mauser into an after market stock I left on the military adjustable sight. The slide part that is set to the range rides on top of a cam surface in the base of the sight that is a representation of that caliber's trajectory as loaded with the 196 grain wermach load. Looking at that trajectory thus represented shows that it is not the "rainbow" of the old black powder cartridges that preceded it, but it isn't a flat shooter like the .270 or .243 either. When allowances are made for the drop of the bullet over distance it is still a very capable round. When Sears and Wards were selling those rifles that Beekeeper was writing about above they were marketed as "capable of taking any North American game animal". I remember being impressed by that as a kid because my dad still was using the one he brought home from WWII.
Beekeeper gave a very good answer. He is also correct in asking what you consider long range.
I am in Nampa this week. You coming to the Snake River Stampede?
I might, could look up John Anderson to.
I've used mine for elk in MT.
Excellent Bee, next round is on me!
The 8x57mm Mauser is an excellent cartridge for relatively long range accuracy given the use of modern premium bullets, powders and above all premium barrels with perfectly aligned chambers. Although it would be far from my first choice, given these modern add ons, you could target shoot out to 1000 yard with the 8x57 cartridge. The only thing that might make it less accurate than a 30-06 at long range would be the reduced number of premium target bullets available in the .323 caliber (but there are several good ones available). The effective range for hunting is almost identical to the venerable 30-06. As a matter of fact, I have always suspected that had the Nazi's won WWII, the 8x57mm is what we would all be using for deer hunting instead of the 30-06.
Typical military 8mm Mauser rifles, on the other hand, are not so good for long range shooting and will typically be limited to about 250-400 yards for deer based on their accuracy. I generally consider them to be one of the more accurate rifles of that era though (similar to the 03-A3). You could certainly do a lot worse for a deer rifle.
8mm Mauser is the reason we came up with the .30-06, if that tells you anything.
line it up against any ought6 based cartridge and it screams out its name, 6mmRem-.240Wby, .257rbts-25-06, 7X57mauser-.280Rem, 9X57Mauser-.35Whelen, ect. HERR SHOOTABLE ! My Aunt has been on many Safari's and her weapon of choice M77 Ruger .257rbts 115gr.Nosler Partitions hand loads. Dik-Dik to Eland, if she was any other than Lorraine Keith or Eleanor O'Connor or my Gramps oldest daughter, I may have doubted it
Look it like this most people do not understand that shooting on long range no matter what you define it(on what distance) is a question of how good shooter you are as it is of what you use,some people can use a pretty bad rifle and still shoot good with it,it also depends on stance,breathing,your optics if they are mounted and so on.M48 a Yugo Mauser is a good gun if it has been properly preserved over time,cleaned and so on.Yugoslavian army used M48A with Zrak optics(6x42) as a sniper rifle though it was never officialy introduced since M76 replaced it.Thing is if NAZIs used it as a Sniper,as well as YPA and Armed Forces of Bosnia and Herzegovina still use it as a sniper rifle i believe it is capable for long range shooting if you are a good shooter,and as i know 8mm Mauser is pretty accurate and also a thing from part of YPA(Yugoslav People Army) They used M48 Yugo MAuser with optics and FMJ Ammo and it penetrated 20mm stell plate on 300 meters
At short ranges like 300 meters and less the killing power of a 196-200 grain 8mm Mauser is on par with the 338 Win Mag.!!! On that same note if you loaded a 30-06 with a 190-210 grain bullet it too approach the same level of lethality as the .338 Win Mag.!! I am not talking about trajectory or wind drift etc just the effect it has on anything you shoot and hit with it. After 300 meter's the comparison is not as valid. .323 is not that far away from .338. In fact it is almost as potent as the .338-06. Again jut talking about effect on game. Trajectory wise it is closer to a .308 Win loaded with 175-185 gr. bullets.
By todays standards it is not the best round for 300,600,800 meter paper punching but it can do the job. Accuracy has more to do with the build of the rifle and the shooter's skill. There have been plenty of 1/4MOA-1/2MOA Mauser's built over the years. Premium Barrel+ minimum headspacing+ minimum chamber+trued action+skilled shooter= 1/4MOA-1/2MOA. Bone stock Mauser's as in no after market barrels, trigger's etc.....just trueing the action, re-cuting the chamber and crown easily get a Mauser into 1MOA accuracy with surplus ammo.
I have a couple of NOS 8mm barrels and am having one of my Mauser's re-barreled. 8x57 is so lethal on Deer and Elk under 500 meters that I could not see spending big money on aftermarket barrels. When my rifle was new it would shoot 1-2MOA with surplus ammo from the prone position with no rest or bags @ 100 meters etc....
If you truly want a long range shooter and do not want to have to modify the mag well or the bolt face consider Remington 260, 30-06, 25-06, 243...There are VLD bullets for all of those, the dies are not odd ball wildcats so they are cheap, plenty of brass and bullets to chose from and they all work fantastic in the Mauser 98,M48,VZ24 etc......People under estimate the 30-06 with Berger's VLD bullets a 26-31 inch barrel you can get darn close to 300 Win Mag performance beyond easily pushing past 1200-1500 meter's.
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