I'd take the 25-06 over the 270 WSM any day on Mule Deer and besides, in that part of the country is allot of annoying critters and it’s a hell of allot cheaper to shoot, more trigger time! Besides, my 22-250 works fantastic on Mule Deer!
A .270 WSM is a better mule deer cartrdge than the .25-06 IMO. I don't own either one, only a .257 Roberts and a 7mm mag, so those would be my options in the .257 - .284 bore range.
"So, I think that the superior killing power of larger rounds is largely in our heads.(likely testosterone induced) A flat-shooting round that you can accurately place will produce as many if not more "bang-flop" kills as a heavy caliber round.”
I can't believe that there would be a difference between the killing power of these two cartridges, on deer, out at the three hundred yard mark. I'm a 25-06 fan, having used one for many years, so that would be my choice.
You'll need a flat fps round at under 300m. My choice is .25-06. Our muleys here on the East Slope of the High Sierras are bigger animals overall than the plains white tails and as Clay suggested, fun to hunt.
Clay,
Regarding your reference to McClouds testosterone comment. I know you are a terrific shot, but if we ever get a chance to hunt cape buffalo together please bring something a tad larger than a 25 06. Kindest Regards
Happy Myles-
I would gladly buy a weapon of the caliber you specified for the opportunity to go hunting for ANYTHING with you. Is a .375 H&H with 300 gr. solids enough for buff?
HM, why do you think I carried a 338 in Alaska instead of a 30 cal! Back in Dec 85 when I got my orders for Eielson AFB AK, I called Fish and Game for suggestions of cartridge choice and I was told the 338 Win Mag was the going favorite among the Residents!
As for Cape Buffalo, I have a Savage Model: 10 MLBSS-II and I even have 500 grain loading data for it. But one thing for sure, I will have a local at my side to back me up! If shooting Center Fire, something along the line 460 Weatherby. LOL!
Besides, Cape Buffalo are just to damn mean to die, kinda like some of the Grizzly's I watch taken. Watched one fella empty his 300 Mag twice into one and finally died of lead poisoning! All good shots except for 2 I found, either it was the way they entered and what was hit and he was using Barns Bullets and a good hot and accurate load at that, I know, I sighted the rifle in for him!
Speaking of African Game, back 79-86 numerous Game Wardens and Biologist out at White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico recommend to use 30 cal or bigger on Oryx. They’ve found a many 270 rounds just under the hide!
Paul Phillips and I was calling Coyotes out there one day and had 3 come charging in! Scary as hell when you’re sitting there with just a 22-250 and a 44 Mag
i have nether of those calibers so i can honestly say i would choose the 270 wsm it can shoot a heavier bullet at a higher velocity so you can get more knock down power and more range, but i have also guided people who shoot a 25-06 and under 300 hundred yards it will do the job just fine, i think the only down side of the 270 wsm would be the price of factory ammunition so i hope i could help and thats my opinion.
Either one is fine but be careful with the lighter bullets. They'll leave you with a pile of bloodshot. A 30-06 will carry better in the wind but 300 yards is a stretch. Except in mountainous country, wind is almost always going to be a factor when muley hunting.
Clay,
All varieties of oryx are notoriously hard to kill. I have taken, I believe, all subspecies and had good luck, one shot each, except for a for a beisa oryx in Ethiopia, it took three hits, knocking it down each time before it gave up the ghost at 400 yards. As I recall have taken a total of eight.
I own both and have used them both sucessfully. If I'm hunting western ND, normal area, the 25-06 hands down.If I'm hunting with my brother, who lives near Red Lodge, then the 270WSM. Cuz I'm probably hunting other things as well as those big hairy critters that might be hunting me.
Both are fine cartridges for mule deer. My personal preference is a 25-06 though. I find that I can shoot it a lot with its light recoil and therefore I believe that I feel very confident in my shots at any range out to 600 yards. Most of my mule deer shots have been on the dead run and I like the flat shooting speed of the 25-06 to minimize the lead and the holdover. It makes it a snap out to 300 yards with minimal lead. I don't like 30-06s or anything that slow for mule deer. Because of the wide open country, flat shooting is better and because of their speed, ultra-high velocity is better. I usually shoot 100 grain bullets for muleys and have even used good 90 grain bullets (Barnes are great) at 3600 fps. The .270 and 25-06 both have about the same impact on mule deer... they smack them dead on impact. I also like the fact that while relaxing on muley hunts, I can pop a couple of hundred prairie dogs on the side just to get used to the wind.
Under 300? Neither. A .308 would knock 'em deader at those ranges. If you said .270 Win I'd choose that of the two, but I would go with .25-06 because 270WSM is expensive, not as easy to come by, and kicks harder.
Everyone has their favorites and neither of those is mine, but lots of other folks thought the .270 WSM was better in the Deer Hunting Cartridge Elite Eight contest a while back 54% to 46, so ther must be some grits to it. Whatever blows your skirt up!
I find it common what an individual lacks in skill but most of all confidence in their ability, they think they need a bigger stick.
This kinda reminds me of the Army Team at Ft Wainwright Alaska I was formally asked to put a shooting clinic for. After a quick evaluation and check out of there M16A2's I found nothing wrong. What I did find wrong is the lack of confidence in their equipment and they were told the maximum effective range is 440 meters. After a confidence drill at 200 and 300 yards, I took them back to the 600 meter line barrowed the good Lieutenants fired one sighter and dropped several rounds in the 10 ring and handed the rifle back to the Lieutenant. At the previous Commanders Trophy Match this team placed 1st from the bottom. The next Match, they cleaned house and the reason for winning was confidence in their equipment.
This brings me back to the 25-06, I have total confidence in this cartridge to bring down any deer including Caribou and Elk.
I own neither and N. American deer are not that hard to kill with proper bullet placement.I have seen .22-250 thru .416 mentioned here so we all been make'in gravy out of them with something. The .25-06 has the history that generated sales for many years, wildcats et al. and still is receiving good press. 270WSM is just being pushed and fits a short action, just another marketing cartridge. A < = 300 yrd Mule deer cartridge... .25-06 has no flys, just look at the last name -06.
If your not capable of knocking down any deer big or small with a 25-06, what gives you any idea using a 270 or any other cartridge will be any better? SERIOUSLY!
You can talk about foot pound energy and all that trash all day, but a BANG FLOP IS A BANG FLOP ISA A BANG FLOP BIG BULLET OR SMALL BULLET DEAD IS DEAD!
Besides, Dollar for Dollar, I can shoot the 25-06 a hell of a lot more and enjoy it than with that 270 Willy Short Mack! LOL!
You GO Clay! Good comments dtownley... now that you mention it, I have never seen any marketing campaign for the 25-06. It has been around a long time and seems to have grown by word of mouth. Little by little, people hunted along side one and one by one they converted. Once you shoot one, it is hard to go back. I started in 1967 and since then numerous hunting buddies, two brothers, a brother-in-law, and a nephew have become converts. They just couldn't get over the all around effectiveness and versatility.
Well Dakota, if it had not been that I had to sell my 7mm RM to get to Texas my second rifle would have been a Rem 700BDL LH 25-06.I saw a rifle in the paper, a S&W 1500 chambered in 7 RM for $250.00 and have had it for 27 seasons. First head of game taken with it whitetail 175gr CORELOKT last head Bison, same load. My wife's .240 Wby is the only other cartridge that I have shot game with near as much, from crows to axis deer. Ballistics of the .240Wby & the 25-06 Rem are similar, about 50fps +- w/100gr projectile. Anyhoo the the .240 is just a belted 6mm-06 but it is so fun to shoot I really wouldn't want to be without one. My son and don't have too tough a time when we borrow it as she thinks so highly of her .338 WM, whodathunkit?
Clay,
Regarding your reference to McClouds testosterone comment. I know you are a terrific shot, but if we ever get a chance to hunt cape buffalo together please bring something a tad larger than a 25 06. Kindest Regards
A .270 WSM is a better mule deer cartrdge than the .25-06 IMO. I don't own either one, only a .257 Roberts and a 7mm mag, so those would be my options in the .257 - .284 bore range.
I own neither and N. American deer are not that hard to kill with proper bullet placement.I have seen .22-250 thru .416 mentioned here so we all been make'in gravy out of them with something. The .25-06 has the history that generated sales for many years, wildcats et al. and still is receiving good press. 270WSM is just being pushed and fits a short action, just another marketing cartridge. A < = 300 yrd Mule deer cartridge... .25-06 has no flys, just look at the last name -06.
I'd take the 25-06 over the 270 WSM any day on Mule Deer and besides, in that part of the country is allot of annoying critters and it’s a hell of allot cheaper to shoot, more trigger time! Besides, my 22-250 works fantastic on Mule Deer!
I can't believe that there would be a difference between the killing power of these two cartridges, on deer, out at the three hundred yard mark. I'm a 25-06 fan, having used one for many years, so that would be my choice.
Happy Myles-
I would gladly buy a weapon of the caliber you specified for the opportunity to go hunting for ANYTHING with you. Is a .375 H&H with 300 gr. solids enough for buff?
Either one is fine but be careful with the lighter bullets. They'll leave you with a pile of bloodshot. A 30-06 will carry better in the wind but 300 yards is a stretch. Except in mountainous country, wind is almost always going to be a factor when muley hunting.
Clay,
All varieties of oryx are notoriously hard to kill. I have taken, I believe, all subspecies and had good luck, one shot each, except for a for a beisa oryx in Ethiopia, it took three hits, knocking it down each time before it gave up the ghost at 400 yards. As I recall have taken a total of eight.
If your not capable of knocking down any deer big or small with a 25-06, what gives you any idea using a 270 or any other cartridge will be any better? SERIOUSLY!
You can talk about foot pound energy and all that trash all day, but a BANG FLOP IS A BANG FLOP ISA A BANG FLOP BIG BULLET OR SMALL BULLET DEAD IS DEAD!
Besides, Dollar for Dollar, I can shoot the 25-06 a hell of a lot more and enjoy it than with that 270 Willy Short Mack! LOL!
"So, I think that the superior killing power of larger rounds is largely in our heads.(likely testosterone induced) A flat-shooting round that you can accurately place will produce as many if not more "bang-flop" kills as a heavy caliber round.”
You'll need a flat fps round at under 300m. My choice is .25-06. Our muleys here on the East Slope of the High Sierras are bigger animals overall than the plains white tails and as Clay suggested, fun to hunt.
HM, why do you think I carried a 338 in Alaska instead of a 30 cal! Back in Dec 85 when I got my orders for Eielson AFB AK, I called Fish and Game for suggestions of cartridge choice and I was told the 338 Win Mag was the going favorite among the Residents!
As for Cape Buffalo, I have a Savage Model: 10 MLBSS-II and I even have 500 grain loading data for it. But one thing for sure, I will have a local at my side to back me up! If shooting Center Fire, something along the line 460 Weatherby. LOL!
Besides, Cape Buffalo are just to damn mean to die, kinda like some of the Grizzly's I watch taken. Watched one fella empty his 300 Mag twice into one and finally died of lead poisoning! All good shots except for 2 I found, either it was the way they entered and what was hit and he was using Barns Bullets and a good hot and accurate load at that, I know, I sighted the rifle in for him!
Speaking of African Game, back 79-86 numerous Game Wardens and Biologist out at White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico recommend to use 30 cal or bigger on Oryx. They’ve found a many 270 rounds just under the hide!
Paul Phillips and I was calling Coyotes out there one day and had 3 come charging in! Scary as hell when you’re sitting there with just a 22-250 and a 44 Mag
i have nether of those calibers so i can honestly say i would choose the 270 wsm it can shoot a heavier bullet at a higher velocity so you can get more knock down power and more range, but i have also guided people who shoot a 25-06 and under 300 hundred yards it will do the job just fine, i think the only down side of the 270 wsm would be the price of factory ammunition so i hope i could help and thats my opinion.
I own both and have used them both sucessfully. If I'm hunting western ND, normal area, the 25-06 hands down.If I'm hunting with my brother, who lives near Red Lodge, then the 270WSM. Cuz I'm probably hunting other things as well as those big hairy critters that might be hunting me.
Both are fine cartridges for mule deer. My personal preference is a 25-06 though. I find that I can shoot it a lot with its light recoil and therefore I believe that I feel very confident in my shots at any range out to 600 yards. Most of my mule deer shots have been on the dead run and I like the flat shooting speed of the 25-06 to minimize the lead and the holdover. It makes it a snap out to 300 yards with minimal lead. I don't like 30-06s or anything that slow for mule deer. Because of the wide open country, flat shooting is better and because of their speed, ultra-high velocity is better. I usually shoot 100 grain bullets for muleys and have even used good 90 grain bullets (Barnes are great) at 3600 fps. The .270 and 25-06 both have about the same impact on mule deer... they smack them dead on impact. I also like the fact that while relaxing on muley hunts, I can pop a couple of hundred prairie dogs on the side just to get used to the wind.
Under 300? Neither. A .308 would knock 'em deader at those ranges. If you said .270 Win I'd choose that of the two, but I would go with .25-06 because 270WSM is expensive, not as easy to come by, and kicks harder.
Everyone has their favorites and neither of those is mine, but lots of other folks thought the .270 WSM was better in the Deer Hunting Cartridge Elite Eight contest a while back 54% to 46, so ther must be some grits to it. Whatever blows your skirt up!
I find it common what an individual lacks in skill but most of all confidence in their ability, they think they need a bigger stick.
This kinda reminds me of the Army Team at Ft Wainwright Alaska I was formally asked to put a shooting clinic for. After a quick evaluation and check out of there M16A2's I found nothing wrong. What I did find wrong is the lack of confidence in their equipment and they were told the maximum effective range is 440 meters. After a confidence drill at 200 and 300 yards, I took them back to the 600 meter line barrowed the good Lieutenants fired one sighter and dropped several rounds in the 10 ring and handed the rifle back to the Lieutenant. At the previous Commanders Trophy Match this team placed 1st from the bottom. The next Match, they cleaned house and the reason for winning was confidence in their equipment.
This brings me back to the 25-06, I have total confidence in this cartridge to bring down any deer including Caribou and Elk.
You GO Clay! Good comments dtownley... now that you mention it, I have never seen any marketing campaign for the 25-06. It has been around a long time and seems to have grown by word of mouth. Little by little, people hunted along side one and one by one they converted. Once you shoot one, it is hard to go back. I started in 1967 and since then numerous hunting buddies, two brothers, a brother-in-law, and a nephew have become converts. They just couldn't get over the all around effectiveness and versatility.
Well Dakota, if it had not been that I had to sell my 7mm RM to get to Texas my second rifle would have been a Rem 700BDL LH 25-06.I saw a rifle in the paper, a S&W 1500 chambered in 7 RM for $250.00 and have had it for 27 seasons. First head of game taken with it whitetail 175gr CORELOKT last head Bison, same load. My wife's .240 Wby is the only other cartridge that I have shot game with near as much, from crows to axis deer. Ballistics of the .240Wby & the 25-06 Rem are similar, about 50fps +- w/100gr projectile. Anyhoo the the .240 is just a belted 6mm-06 but it is so fun to shoot I really wouldn't want to be without one. My son and don't have too tough a time when we borrow it as she thinks so highly of her .338 WM, whodathunkit?
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that 270 is a nice cal!!!
270 is better than a 25 06 for deer hunting
I'd take the 25-06 over the 270 WSM any day on Mule Deer and besides, in that part of the country is allot of annoying critters and it’s a hell of allot cheaper to shoot, more trigger time! Besides, my 22-250 works fantastic on Mule Deer!
How do you figure southpaw, dead is grave yard dead and Alex at 250 yards at age 10 bang flopped his dear just as any other magnum with a 25-06!
A .270 WSM is a better mule deer cartrdge than the .25-06 IMO. I don't own either one, only a .257 Roberts and a 7mm mag, so those would be my options in the .257 - .284 bore range.
25-06
IMHO~~ A 30/06 is better then a 25/06,but that just me. but the .270 WSM is my pick.
25-06 is very flat shooting and plenty of energy for deer sized game. Also can get ammo at Wally World and most any other place.
How you figure WAM, at 300 yards they are within 1 inch of each other and besides, Stephen didn't say anything wanting to go broke shooting it!
You can have a hell of allot more fun with a 25-06 than you can with that 270 Waist Such Money!
ken.mcloud said it best!
"So, I think that the superior killing power of larger rounds is largely in our heads.(likely testosterone induced) A flat-shooting round that you can accurately place will produce as many if not more "bang-flop" kills as a heavy caliber round.”
If the 25-06 is the smallest recommended cartridge for Elk, then why do you need a bigger and much more expensive cartridge
Testosterone induced Shooters, go figure!
I can't believe that there would be a difference between the killing power of these two cartridges, on deer, out at the three hundred yard mark. I'm a 25-06 fan, having used one for many years, so that would be my choice.
What libertyfirst said.
Only I gotta .280.
Not much difference.
A hole in the heart is a hole in the heart.
Which ever one you shoot better.
What gone fishing said.
You'll need a flat fps round at under 300m. My choice is .25-06. Our muleys here on the East Slope of the High Sierras are bigger animals overall than the plains white tails and as Clay suggested, fun to hunt.
Clay,
Regarding your reference to McClouds testosterone comment. I know you are a terrific shot, but if we ever get a chance to hunt cape buffalo together please bring something a tad larger than a 25 06. Kindest Regards
Happy Myles-
I would gladly buy a weapon of the caliber you specified for the opportunity to go hunting for ANYTHING with you. Is a .375 H&H with 300 gr. solids enough for buff?
A 375 is fine. However, I like a 416 better. Kindest Regards
HM, why do you think I carried a 338 in Alaska instead of a 30 cal! Back in Dec 85 when I got my orders for Eielson AFB AK, I called Fish and Game for suggestions of cartridge choice and I was told the 338 Win Mag was the going favorite among the Residents!
As for Cape Buffalo, I have a Savage Model: 10 MLBSS-II and I even have 500 grain loading data for it. But one thing for sure, I will have a local at my side to back me up! If shooting Center Fire, something along the line 460 Weatherby. LOL!
Besides, Cape Buffalo are just to damn mean to die, kinda like some of the Grizzly's I watch taken. Watched one fella empty his 300 Mag twice into one and finally died of lead poisoning! All good shots except for 2 I found, either it was the way they entered and what was hit and he was using Barns Bullets and a good hot and accurate load at that, I know, I sighted the rifle in for him!
Speaking of African Game, back 79-86 numerous Game Wardens and Biologist out at White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico recommend to use 30 cal or bigger on Oryx. They’ve found a many 270 rounds just under the hide!
Paul Phillips and I was calling Coyotes out there one day and had 3 come charging in! Scary as hell when you’re sitting there with just a 22-250 and a 44 Mag
i have nether of those calibers so i can honestly say i would choose the 270 wsm it can shoot a heavier bullet at a higher velocity so you can get more knock down power and more range, but i have also guided people who shoot a 25-06 and under 300 hundred yards it will do the job just fine, i think the only down side of the 270 wsm would be the price of factory ammunition so i hope i could help and thats my opinion.
Either one is fine but be careful with the lighter bullets. They'll leave you with a pile of bloodshot. A 30-06 will carry better in the wind but 300 yards is a stretch. Except in mountainous country, wind is almost always going to be a factor when muley hunting.
Clay,
All varieties of oryx are notoriously hard to kill. I have taken, I believe, all subspecies and had good luck, one shot each, except for a for a beisa oryx in Ethiopia, it took three hits, knocking it down each time before it gave up the ghost at 400 yards. As I recall have taken a total of eight.
I own both and have used them both sucessfully. If I'm hunting western ND, normal area, the 25-06 hands down.If I'm hunting with my brother, who lives near Red Lodge, then the 270WSM. Cuz I'm probably hunting other things as well as those big hairy critters that might be hunting me.
Both are fine cartridges for mule deer. My personal preference is a 25-06 though. I find that I can shoot it a lot with its light recoil and therefore I believe that I feel very confident in my shots at any range out to 600 yards. Most of my mule deer shots have been on the dead run and I like the flat shooting speed of the 25-06 to minimize the lead and the holdover. It makes it a snap out to 300 yards with minimal lead. I don't like 30-06s or anything that slow for mule deer. Because of the wide open country, flat shooting is better and because of their speed, ultra-high velocity is better. I usually shoot 100 grain bullets for muleys and have even used good 90 grain bullets (Barnes are great) at 3600 fps. The .270 and 25-06 both have about the same impact on mule deer... they smack them dead on impact. I also like the fact that while relaxing on muley hunts, I can pop a couple of hundred prairie dogs on the side just to get used to the wind.
Under 300? Neither. A .308 would knock 'em deader at those ranges. If you said .270 Win I'd choose that of the two, but I would go with .25-06 because 270WSM is expensive, not as easy to come by, and kicks harder.
Everyone has their favorites and neither of those is mine, but lots of other folks thought the .270 WSM was better in the Deer Hunting Cartridge Elite Eight contest a while back 54% to 46, so ther must be some grits to it. Whatever blows your skirt up!
I have to pick the 270 Wsm, more mass, same velocity = more thump
I find it common what an individual lacks in skill but most of all confidence in their ability, they think they need a bigger stick.
This kinda reminds me of the Army Team at Ft Wainwright Alaska I was formally asked to put a shooting clinic for. After a quick evaluation and check out of there M16A2's I found nothing wrong. What I did find wrong is the lack of confidence in their equipment and they were told the maximum effective range is 440 meters. After a confidence drill at 200 and 300 yards, I took them back to the 600 meter line barrowed the good Lieutenants fired one sighter and dropped several rounds in the 10 ring and handed the rifle back to the Lieutenant. At the previous Commanders Trophy Match this team placed 1st from the bottom. The next Match, they cleaned house and the reason for winning was confidence in their equipment.
This brings me back to the 25-06, I have total confidence in this cartridge to bring down any deer including Caribou and Elk.
Big enough for Elk, more than enough for deer!
I own neither and N. American deer are not that hard to kill with proper bullet placement.I have seen .22-250 thru .416 mentioned here so we all been make'in gravy out of them with something. The .25-06 has the history that generated sales for many years, wildcats et al. and still is receiving good press. 270WSM is just being pushed and fits a short action, just another marketing cartridge. A < = 300 yrd Mule deer cartridge... .25-06 has no flys, just look at the last name -06.
dtownley
a +1 FOR YOU!
If your not capable of knocking down any deer big or small with a 25-06, what gives you any idea using a 270 or any other cartridge will be any better? SERIOUSLY!
You can talk about foot pound energy and all that trash all day, but a BANG FLOP IS A BANG FLOP ISA A BANG FLOP BIG BULLET OR SMALL BULLET DEAD IS DEAD!
Besides, Dollar for Dollar, I can shoot the 25-06 a hell of a lot more and enjoy it than with that 270 Willy Short Mack! LOL!
You GO Clay! Good comments dtownley... now that you mention it, I have never seen any marketing campaign for the 25-06. It has been around a long time and seems to have grown by word of mouth. Little by little, people hunted along side one and one by one they converted. Once you shoot one, it is hard to go back. I started in 1967 and since then numerous hunting buddies, two brothers, a brother-in-law, and a nephew have become converts. They just couldn't get over the all around effectiveness and versatility.
Well Dakota, if it had not been that I had to sell my 7mm RM to get to Texas my second rifle would have been a Rem 700BDL LH 25-06.I saw a rifle in the paper, a S&W 1500 chambered in 7 RM for $250.00 and have had it for 27 seasons. First head of game taken with it whitetail 175gr CORELOKT last head Bison, same load. My wife's .240 Wby is the only other cartridge that I have shot game with near as much, from crows to axis deer. Ballistics of the .240Wby & the 25-06 Rem are similar, about 50fps +- w/100gr projectile. Anyhoo the the .240 is just a belted 6mm-06 but it is so fun to shoot I really wouldn't want to be without one. My son and don't have too tough a time when we borrow it as she thinks so highly of her .338 WM, whodathunkit?
.270 for me if i had to pick between just those 2.
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Clay,
Regarding your reference to McClouds testosterone comment. I know you are a terrific shot, but if we ever get a chance to hunt cape buffalo together please bring something a tad larger than a 25 06. Kindest Regards
that 270 is a nice cal!!!
270 is better than a 25 06 for deer hunting
A .270 WSM is a better mule deer cartrdge than the .25-06 IMO. I don't own either one, only a .257 Roberts and a 7mm mag, so those would be my options in the .257 - .284 bore range.
25-06
IMHO~~ A 30/06 is better then a 25/06,but that just me. but the .270 WSM is my pick.
25-06 is very flat shooting and plenty of energy for deer sized game. Also can get ammo at Wally World and most any other place.
What libertyfirst said.
Only I gotta .280.
Not much difference.
A hole in the heart is a hole in the heart.
Which ever one you shoot better.
I own neither and N. American deer are not that hard to kill with proper bullet placement.I have seen .22-250 thru .416 mentioned here so we all been make'in gravy out of them with something. The .25-06 has the history that generated sales for many years, wildcats et al. and still is receiving good press. 270WSM is just being pushed and fits a short action, just another marketing cartridge. A < = 300 yrd Mule deer cartridge... .25-06 has no flys, just look at the last name -06.
I'd take the 25-06 over the 270 WSM any day on Mule Deer and besides, in that part of the country is allot of annoying critters and it’s a hell of allot cheaper to shoot, more trigger time! Besides, my 22-250 works fantastic on Mule Deer!
How you figure WAM, at 300 yards they are within 1 inch of each other and besides, Stephen didn't say anything wanting to go broke shooting it!
You can have a hell of allot more fun with a 25-06 than you can with that 270 Waist Such Money!
I can't believe that there would be a difference between the killing power of these two cartridges, on deer, out at the three hundred yard mark. I'm a 25-06 fan, having used one for many years, so that would be my choice.
What gone fishing said.
Happy Myles-
I would gladly buy a weapon of the caliber you specified for the opportunity to go hunting for ANYTHING with you. Is a .375 H&H with 300 gr. solids enough for buff?
A 375 is fine. However, I like a 416 better. Kindest Regards
Either one is fine but be careful with the lighter bullets. They'll leave you with a pile of bloodshot. A 30-06 will carry better in the wind but 300 yards is a stretch. Except in mountainous country, wind is almost always going to be a factor when muley hunting.
Clay,
All varieties of oryx are notoriously hard to kill. I have taken, I believe, all subspecies and had good luck, one shot each, except for a for a beisa oryx in Ethiopia, it took three hits, knocking it down each time before it gave up the ghost at 400 yards. As I recall have taken a total of eight.
dtownley
a +1 FOR YOU!
If your not capable of knocking down any deer big or small with a 25-06, what gives you any idea using a 270 or any other cartridge will be any better? SERIOUSLY!
You can talk about foot pound energy and all that trash all day, but a BANG FLOP IS A BANG FLOP ISA A BANG FLOP BIG BULLET OR SMALL BULLET DEAD IS DEAD!
Besides, Dollar for Dollar, I can shoot the 25-06 a hell of a lot more and enjoy it than with that 270 Willy Short Mack! LOL!
How do you figure southpaw, dead is grave yard dead and Alex at 250 yards at age 10 bang flopped his dear just as any other magnum with a 25-06!
ken.mcloud said it best!
"So, I think that the superior killing power of larger rounds is largely in our heads.(likely testosterone induced) A flat-shooting round that you can accurately place will produce as many if not more "bang-flop" kills as a heavy caliber round.”
If the 25-06 is the smallest recommended cartridge for Elk, then why do you need a bigger and much more expensive cartridge
Testosterone induced Shooters, go figure!
You'll need a flat fps round at under 300m. My choice is .25-06. Our muleys here on the East Slope of the High Sierras are bigger animals overall than the plains white tails and as Clay suggested, fun to hunt.
HM, why do you think I carried a 338 in Alaska instead of a 30 cal! Back in Dec 85 when I got my orders for Eielson AFB AK, I called Fish and Game for suggestions of cartridge choice and I was told the 338 Win Mag was the going favorite among the Residents!
As for Cape Buffalo, I have a Savage Model: 10 MLBSS-II and I even have 500 grain loading data for it. But one thing for sure, I will have a local at my side to back me up! If shooting Center Fire, something along the line 460 Weatherby. LOL!
Besides, Cape Buffalo are just to damn mean to die, kinda like some of the Grizzly's I watch taken. Watched one fella empty his 300 Mag twice into one and finally died of lead poisoning! All good shots except for 2 I found, either it was the way they entered and what was hit and he was using Barns Bullets and a good hot and accurate load at that, I know, I sighted the rifle in for him!
Speaking of African Game, back 79-86 numerous Game Wardens and Biologist out at White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico recommend to use 30 cal or bigger on Oryx. They’ve found a many 270 rounds just under the hide!
Paul Phillips and I was calling Coyotes out there one day and had 3 come charging in! Scary as hell when you’re sitting there with just a 22-250 and a 44 Mag
i have nether of those calibers so i can honestly say i would choose the 270 wsm it can shoot a heavier bullet at a higher velocity so you can get more knock down power and more range, but i have also guided people who shoot a 25-06 and under 300 hundred yards it will do the job just fine, i think the only down side of the 270 wsm would be the price of factory ammunition so i hope i could help and thats my opinion.
I own both and have used them both sucessfully. If I'm hunting western ND, normal area, the 25-06 hands down.If I'm hunting with my brother, who lives near Red Lodge, then the 270WSM. Cuz I'm probably hunting other things as well as those big hairy critters that might be hunting me.
Both are fine cartridges for mule deer. My personal preference is a 25-06 though. I find that I can shoot it a lot with its light recoil and therefore I believe that I feel very confident in my shots at any range out to 600 yards. Most of my mule deer shots have been on the dead run and I like the flat shooting speed of the 25-06 to minimize the lead and the holdover. It makes it a snap out to 300 yards with minimal lead. I don't like 30-06s or anything that slow for mule deer. Because of the wide open country, flat shooting is better and because of their speed, ultra-high velocity is better. I usually shoot 100 grain bullets for muleys and have even used good 90 grain bullets (Barnes are great) at 3600 fps. The .270 and 25-06 both have about the same impact on mule deer... they smack them dead on impact. I also like the fact that while relaxing on muley hunts, I can pop a couple of hundred prairie dogs on the side just to get used to the wind.
Under 300? Neither. A .308 would knock 'em deader at those ranges. If you said .270 Win I'd choose that of the two, but I would go with .25-06 because 270WSM is expensive, not as easy to come by, and kicks harder.
Everyone has their favorites and neither of those is mine, but lots of other folks thought the .270 WSM was better in the Deer Hunting Cartridge Elite Eight contest a while back 54% to 46, so ther must be some grits to it. Whatever blows your skirt up!
I have to pick the 270 Wsm, more mass, same velocity = more thump
I find it common what an individual lacks in skill but most of all confidence in their ability, they think they need a bigger stick.
This kinda reminds me of the Army Team at Ft Wainwright Alaska I was formally asked to put a shooting clinic for. After a quick evaluation and check out of there M16A2's I found nothing wrong. What I did find wrong is the lack of confidence in their equipment and they were told the maximum effective range is 440 meters. After a confidence drill at 200 and 300 yards, I took them back to the 600 meter line barrowed the good Lieutenants fired one sighter and dropped several rounds in the 10 ring and handed the rifle back to the Lieutenant. At the previous Commanders Trophy Match this team placed 1st from the bottom. The next Match, they cleaned house and the reason for winning was confidence in their equipment.
This brings me back to the 25-06, I have total confidence in this cartridge to bring down any deer including Caribou and Elk.
Big enough for Elk, more than enough for deer!
You GO Clay! Good comments dtownley... now that you mention it, I have never seen any marketing campaign for the 25-06. It has been around a long time and seems to have grown by word of mouth. Little by little, people hunted along side one and one by one they converted. Once you shoot one, it is hard to go back. I started in 1967 and since then numerous hunting buddies, two brothers, a brother-in-law, and a nephew have become converts. They just couldn't get over the all around effectiveness and versatility.
Well Dakota, if it had not been that I had to sell my 7mm RM to get to Texas my second rifle would have been a Rem 700BDL LH 25-06.I saw a rifle in the paper, a S&W 1500 chambered in 7 RM for $250.00 and have had it for 27 seasons. First head of game taken with it whitetail 175gr CORELOKT last head Bison, same load. My wife's .240 Wby is the only other cartridge that I have shot game with near as much, from crows to axis deer. Ballistics of the .240Wby & the 25-06 Rem are similar, about 50fps +- w/100gr projectile. Anyhoo the the .240 is just a belted 6mm-06 but it is so fun to shoot I really wouldn't want to be without one. My son and don't have too tough a time when we borrow it as she thinks so highly of her .338 WM, whodathunkit?
.270 for me if i had to pick between just those 2.
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