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Question by talbaugh. Uploaded on November 04, 2009
I can't comment on magnum rounds in the Howa 1500, but over time (and very recently) the Howa 1500 has performed remarkably well in .22-250, .223 and .243, which shapes my impression that the Howa 1500 is a good choice, often overlooked or underestimated, and a fine value that compares well with other bolt action rifles on the market.
Unless your shooting light weight bullets for long range etc, I'll take the 30-06 over the 7mm Rem Mag any day using heavier bullets! I can push a 190 grain a tad bet flatter and harder hitting even at 1000 yards than a 175 out of the 7mm!
I had a Howa that was an outstanding rifle. It's only fault was that it was right-handed, and I'm a southpaw.
As far as 7mm Rem. Mag goes, it is probably one of my all-time favorite calibers. Have been using it for over 20 years. I have handloaded it with everything from a 115 grain to a 175 and have found it to be extremely accurate and versatile. NEVER have lost an animal with it. It does tear up some meat- I will concede that drawback.
Clay, you never told me what 175 grain bullet & load you were comparing to in the 7 mag. I'd like to know so I can not have doubt about what you are saying.
175 grain with a Bullet Coefficient of .506 at the same muzzle velocity. I got thinking, the difference is so minor it's not worth fighting over. However you got me thinking, it's been awhile since I compared the newer 7mm bullets like the VLD's (very Low Drag). What I figured after what you said at 1000 yards it pretty much of a dead heat now. But there is one thing for sure, 162 grain and lighter where it really comes alive and performs the best, 175 is to darn heavy in my book just as the 220 in the 06! Bottom line, 162 and lighter will give any cartridge a run for its money! I just wish they come back out with the 264 Win Mag with improved metallurgy for longer barrel life! Actually I was going to buy a 7mm Rem Mag to replace my last 25-06, I got a smoking deal on another 25-06 and I bought it and my 10 year old Grandson Alex has laid claims on it!
I have used a 150 Nosler Ballistic Tip for about 15 years as my go-to beanfield deer round. My accuracy load sends that at about 3100fps. No slouch there but I see loads posted and hear of folks going faster. I don't think a deer will know or care.
I have some of the 168 & 180 grain VLD hunting bullets (just got 'em -expensive little bastages) and as soon as I get a chance I will try them in both my Ruger #1 and T/C Encore. Both guns have 26" barrels; the #1 has a 1-in-9.5" twist and the Encore has a 1-in-9" twist. It will be interesting to try their stuff. Their 168 is listed at a .617 BC and the 180 is a .659!!!
As soon as I load some up I will post results. I agree they are a little on the heavy side but time and technology marches on. We'll see if they live up to the hype.
As for deer, Mule Deer I cut my teeth at age 12 using and prefer Hornady 130 grain cranking out of my 30-06 at 3300fps and your right, deer don't know the difference. When I turned 18, I had saved up the cash to by myself my first rifle Remington 700 BDL 22-250 and it worked so darn good I started clobbering Monster Mule Deer with it and to date I've taken more deer with it than all my rifle put together. As for the 7mm Rem Mag, I've witnessed 7mmRem Mag shooters having really good luck with the 150 grain Nosler, but like you referred to technology marches on and has come a long way. After field dressing a many Big Game my recommendations to any 7mm Rem Mag shooter is the heaviest bullet for the 7mm is the 162 grain and I've recovered tons of 175's. They get deep penetration but I've found many of them tumbling within large game especially on Moose and the diameter of the mushroom isn't near what a 180 grain 30 cal would be. 162's and lighter? A totally different story and 120's for deer and Coyotes? A REALLY SMOKING HOT ROUND!
By the way, that Ruger #1 you can really crank it up! But as for the Encore, I wouldn't push it and use moderately loaded rounds. I shot a Ruger #1 in 45-120 loaded with 350 grain. Didn't chronograph the load but the Owner Bob Moholt in Page Oklahoma is known to really push things to the limit. At about 500 yards, it was shooting as flat as a 30-06 with a 180 grain and the recoil wasn't a mule kick, rather a fast hard push that didn't really bruise the shoulder. He also had a Ruger #3 in 45-70 and was pushing 300's as fast as a 458 Win Mag. Now that did clear your sinuses, but again it to had a hard fast recoiling push, more so than the 45-120. I shot 10-12 rounds each and could have went for 20. As for my 12 gauge with 3 1/2 inch shells ??? 3 or 4 is plenty for me!
By the way, .617 BC is not your Daddies bullet!
I'll leave the setting of land speed records to other folks. But even with middle-of-the-chart loads, my #1 has always equaled or bettered most of my listed load data. The chronograph tells the real story.
The Encore is tougher than you might think, and has a very stout barrel, but again there is no prize for having the hottest load. Too many hot loads in an Encore, or a Contender can lead to a stretched frame. NOT GOOD. That's not something you can buff out. So I promise to be good to and with it.
Accuracy is where it's at. Actually, accuracy with precision is really where it's at. I have a friend who shoots 1000 yard over here and he has been on my case about trying the Bergers. BTW, I don't even have a ballistics chart that goes to .617, much less .659! Looks like I'll have to figure it out.
As for the 22-250, that is the barrel(with a Nikon Coyote special 4.5x14) that is currently on the Encore now. I haven't even started handloading for it and it is around 1/2MOA with just about everything I have tried through it. In fact I just came back in from sitting this AM. 3rd day in a row seeing young early AM bucks but no shooters. I am holding out for does(meat), I guess if I keep on meat hunting I will see more bucks. Isn't that how it works?
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