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As a retirement gift from the US Navy, I am considering purchasing a Winchester Model 70 Super Grade in .270 Win. I prefer a 22" barrel vice 24" barrel. If I shorten the barrel, what affect will this have on accuracy? Many thanks!
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No effect on accuracy, but, you will lose about 150 fps of velocity for a .270 type cartridge. About 75fps for each inch of barrel..
How well the muzzle is crowned after the cut will have more to do with accuracy than the two inches of barrel lost.
Good posts above, but personally, I would stay with the 24-inch barrel on a .270 WCF.
Jack O'Connor once had a frightening adventure while climbing on a cliff face that he thought could have been avoided if he had a shorter barrel on his rifle. Thereafter, he specified 22-inch barrels on all of his custom-built rifles.
I think he over-reacted to a once-in-a-lifetime incident.
Thanks for the all the posts so far.
99Explorer, I have a short build and 22" would be easier to maneuver. Any comments on performance loss?
Shortening the barrel may increase accuracy but at the cost of about 50 fps with the shorter barrel. It will be loader too.
Any thoughts on the 270 WSM with the shorter bbl? Velocity loss may not be as pronounced. I may be wrong on that so check it out.
Safado and S.D are definately right on the accuracy statements
Sorry, Happy retirement and welcome aboard to vet status
When and If you have the Barrel Cut to 22" the "crown" is most Important part for Accuracy,Velocity loss is 75FPS/Per-inch Removed on a .270W/SG and Bullet weight you chose to shoot counts also.~JMO have the Best Gunsmith in your Area to Cut&Crown your Barrel.
Welcome Home and Good Luck on your Project.
There is real pretty Jack O'Connor commemorative M70 in 270 (of course) that is a step up from the Super Grade in wood. Wonder what length it has. Retail is right around 2300-2500 though.
"Winchester M70 Jack O'Connor Custom Tribute .270 Win. 22" barrel, black fore end, inletted sling swivels, Mauser claw extractor, beautiful bluing and gorgeous AAA Walnut with check piece and custom checkering pattern! Patterned after Jack O'Connor's famous custom .270 Win. Complete looks and feel of a custom rifle at an afordable price. VERY LIMITED production. This one is NEW IN THE BOX!"
This, from an online auction. I have seen one of these in my LGS. Price for the auction was $2450, American.
GoNavy777
If bbl length is a concern, look into the Ruger No. 1. The "falling block" action loses three to four inches in OAL! If the Win M70 is preferred, find a competent 'smith and have it cut down. In the grand scheme of things, 150fps isn't much, especially if you hand load.
Navy,
Performance of the.270win from a 22" barrel would only amount to 150fps out of between 3,000 and 3200fps depending on bullet weight. Not much of a factor.
Another consideration is if the high $$$ rifle is standard in 24" and you choose 22", the value could be affected.
Noise will be a little louder and you could get a bigger muzzle blast. As others have stated the cutting and crowning of the shortened barrel is of utmost importance for maintaining accuracy.
A 30-06 could be another consideration as it works fine from a 22" barrel and offers a little more versatility as far as bullet weights.
In any event, enjoy your new rifle. Jim
I don't know chit about guns but thank you for your service.
If the engineers at the Winchester factory thought that a shorter barrel was a good idea, they could have saved the company some money in production costs.
The .270 was designed as a long range hunting rifle.
As a consumer, I would not do anything to alter the balance of the rifle, or to reduce its muzzle steadiness and bullet velocity, while increasing its muzzle blast and recoil.
You can always change your mind later.
Thanks for the great posts!
Congrats Navy, I retired in 1990 from the Army. Still waiting for the wife to buy me a Winchester.
If you reload you can mitigate the muzzle blast and loss of velocity somewhat by using a slightly faster burning powder. Something like IMR4350 or H4350. Avoid the very slow stuff like H1000, etc. A chronograph is useful for this job also. If it were me I would stick with the factory barrel as cutting will definitely degrade value regardless of how well it is done.
Is it really worth taking the chance of screwing up a barrel? I'd go with the 24 over a 22.
Bench rest shooters have proven that 22" (actually 21 3/4") barrels are optimum for accuracy at 100 yards and that is what you will see on the 100 yard line. This barrel length has minimum flex for best shot-after-shot consistency. However, if you are buying your Ruger for bench rest shooting, you will be sadly disappointed because their barrels are not likely to be competitive when running against Krieger, Bartlein, Broughton, etc.
In these tests, given the exact same barrel contour, the difference between 22 inch and 24 inch barrels will be measured in a couple thousandths of an inch at 100 yards. When you actually choose the best weight/contour for each length, they are quite similar in accuracy.
In hunting applications I recommend a 24" barrel because in a .270, bullet speed is much more important than .002" grouping improvement at 100 yards, especially with hunting bullets that are not capable of that fine level of accuracy. If you want more shot-after-shot accuracy in a hunting rifle, get a heavier contour barrel.
The M70 Ruger .270 24" barrel will make a very nice rifle for most hunting applications out to 400 yards. I would only use the 22" if I were in brush so thick that walking was difficult. If I were in that situation, I would be using a .35 Rem rather than a .270.
Navy,
I would stick with the factory barrel length. Barrel taper is set for the intended length of the barrel, so it will look like a pug if you cut it.
Del,
You should have asked for a Weatherby. I did and got a Mk V Lightweight Sporter .30-06!
Navy, thank you for your service!
WAM, USN Ret
Thanks for all of the excellent input. I have decided to stick with the 24" barrel.
No advice, but I do want to thank you for your service and I wish you a long and happy retirement.
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How well the muzzle is crowned after the cut will have more to do with accuracy than the two inches of barrel lost.
Congrats Navy, I retired in 1990 from the Army. Still waiting for the wife to buy me a Winchester.
If you reload you can mitigate the muzzle blast and loss of velocity somewhat by using a slightly faster burning powder. Something like IMR4350 or H4350. Avoid the very slow stuff like H1000, etc. A chronograph is useful for this job also. If it were me I would stick with the factory barrel as cutting will definitely degrade value regardless of how well it is done.
Good posts above, but personally, I would stay with the 24-inch barrel on a .270 WCF.
Jack O'Connor once had a frightening adventure while climbing on a cliff face that he thought could have been avoided if he had a shorter barrel on his rifle. Thereafter, he specified 22-inch barrels on all of his custom-built rifles.
I think he over-reacted to a once-in-a-lifetime incident.
Navy,
Performance of the.270win from a 22" barrel would only amount to 150fps out of between 3,000 and 3200fps depending on bullet weight. Not much of a factor.
Another consideration is if the high $$$ rifle is standard in 24" and you choose 22", the value could be affected.
Noise will be a little louder and you could get a bigger muzzle blast. As others have stated the cutting and crowning of the shortened barrel is of utmost importance for maintaining accuracy.
A 30-06 could be another consideration as it works fine from a 22" barrel and offers a little more versatility as far as bullet weights.
In any event, enjoy your new rifle. Jim
Is it really worth taking the chance of screwing up a barrel? I'd go with the 24 over a 22.
Thanks for all of the excellent input. I have decided to stick with the 24" barrel.
No effect on accuracy, but, you will lose about 150 fps of velocity for a .270 type cartridge. About 75fps for each inch of barrel..
Thanks for the all the posts so far.
99Explorer, I have a short build and 22" would be easier to maneuver. Any comments on performance loss?
Shortening the barrel may increase accuracy but at the cost of about 50 fps with the shorter barrel. It will be loader too.
When and If you have the Barrel Cut to 22" the "crown" is most Important part for Accuracy,Velocity loss is 75FPS/Per-inch Removed on a .270W/SG and Bullet weight you chose to shoot counts also.~JMO have the Best Gunsmith in your Area to Cut&Crown your Barrel.
Welcome Home and Good Luck on your Project.
"Winchester M70 Jack O'Connor Custom Tribute .270 Win. 22" barrel, black fore end, inletted sling swivels, Mauser claw extractor, beautiful bluing and gorgeous AAA Walnut with check piece and custom checkering pattern! Patterned after Jack O'Connor's famous custom .270 Win. Complete looks and feel of a custom rifle at an afordable price. VERY LIMITED production. This one is NEW IN THE BOX!"
This, from an online auction. I have seen one of these in my LGS. Price for the auction was $2450, American.
I don't know chit about guns but thank you for your service.
If the engineers at the Winchester factory thought that a shorter barrel was a good idea, they could have saved the company some money in production costs.
The .270 was designed as a long range hunting rifle.
As a consumer, I would not do anything to alter the balance of the rifle, or to reduce its muzzle steadiness and bullet velocity, while increasing its muzzle blast and recoil.
You can always change your mind later.
Thanks for the great posts!
Bench rest shooters have proven that 22" (actually 21 3/4") barrels are optimum for accuracy at 100 yards and that is what you will see on the 100 yard line. This barrel length has minimum flex for best shot-after-shot consistency. However, if you are buying your Ruger for bench rest shooting, you will be sadly disappointed because their barrels are not likely to be competitive when running against Krieger, Bartlein, Broughton, etc.
In these tests, given the exact same barrel contour, the difference between 22 inch and 24 inch barrels will be measured in a couple thousandths of an inch at 100 yards. When you actually choose the best weight/contour for each length, they are quite similar in accuracy.
In hunting applications I recommend a 24" barrel because in a .270, bullet speed is much more important than .002" grouping improvement at 100 yards, especially with hunting bullets that are not capable of that fine level of accuracy. If you want more shot-after-shot accuracy in a hunting rifle, get a heavier contour barrel.
The M70 Ruger .270 24" barrel will make a very nice rifle for most hunting applications out to 400 yards. I would only use the 22" if I were in brush so thick that walking was difficult. If I were in that situation, I would be using a .35 Rem rather than a .270.
Navy,
I would stick with the factory barrel length. Barrel taper is set for the intended length of the barrel, so it will look like a pug if you cut it.
Del,
You should have asked for a Weatherby. I did and got a Mk V Lightweight Sporter .30-06!
Navy, thank you for your service!
WAM, USN Ret
Any thoughts on the 270 WSM with the shorter bbl? Velocity loss may not be as pronounced. I may be wrong on that so check it out.
Safado and S.D are definately right on the accuracy statements
Sorry, Happy retirement and welcome aboard to vet status
There is real pretty Jack O'Connor commemorative M70 in 270 (of course) that is a step up from the Super Grade in wood. Wonder what length it has. Retail is right around 2300-2500 though.
GoNavy777
If bbl length is a concern, look into the Ruger No. 1. The "falling block" action loses three to four inches in OAL! If the Win M70 is preferred, find a competent 'smith and have it cut down. In the grand scheme of things, 150fps isn't much, especially if you hand load.
No advice, but I do want to thank you for your service and I wish you a long and happy retirement.
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