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My son broke the Golden Rule of gun owners. He told my wife how much I spent on my new gun. My question is this. Should I kill him quickly and silently in his sleep or should I make it hurt a little?
Question by buckhunter. Uploaded on July 01, 2011
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At least he did not black mail you.....I guess
The only solution is to dock his allowance to the tune of an equally expensive piece of jewelry for the missus. Then it's win/win for you and the wife. He should be done paying that off by the time he's 18.
The only solution is to dock his allowance to the tune of an equally expensive piece of jewelry for the missus. Then it's win/win for you and the wife. He should be done paying that off by the time he's 18.
Your fault! A family with secrets is not likely to survive. Especially about financial stuff. Keep it on the straight and narrow. Make sure your son knows he was doing the right thing.
I know what she pays for jewelry and she knows what I pay for guns. We don't have a problem with either. I guess it helps that early on in our marriage I had to leave the house one morning with my guns and sell them to buy groceries. Since then she says nothing to me when I buy guns. We have struggled to get where we are very comfortable today and can buy guns and jewelry whenever we want to. You appreciate them more.
that's what i love about not being married, i can buy what i want and not have to answer to anyone for it!
I don't ask mine what she spends and she does the same.
And we mostly ignore one another it's very peaceful that way.
The trick is to have enough guns that they can't differentiate between a old or new one. Don't you know why she's had that dress since high school? The Golden Rule for you is to keep your mouth shut! Why did you tell the lad in the first place? "It's better to remain silent and thought a fool than to open thy mouth and remove all doubt"
MOMMY! MOMMY! GUESS WHAT DADDY DID!
Just suck it up and be more discreet next time.
What kind of gun did you get?
What kind of gun did you get?
My plan to take care of him while still awake was thwarted by the fact he out weighs me by 50 lbs and I could barely get my arm around his neck for a headlock. Plan II. I attack at dawn.
make it hurt!
I think fisherus got to the root of the problem when he noted that you told your son much more than he needed to know. The cost of firearms is highly privileged information. That is something between you and your dealer, like the lawyer/client privilege.
I also favor the idea of having so many guns that nobody can tell the old from the new.
Don't ask, don't tell?
I've used the saying, "no its not new, i've had it for years.". I have enough guns to cause confusion and the wife has enough non-interest to believe it.
If this is not a joke!!! If you tell the truth you don't need a good memory and you will never tell only one lie. If you wife questions your stuff. Do what I do "ask her about the number and cost of her shoes". Knowing the filth that walks this earth. The only thing that protected my kids was the truth between us.
We've been on the guns to groceries program a time or two and it did not kill us. My wife likes guns and knows full well that they are usually salable at least for what you paid for it. Jewelry...not even.
I never ratted out my Old Man on anything he bought for himself during my growing up. Then again, as stern and strict as the Lt.Cmdr. was, I KNEW my a$$ would have been grass if I had done it.
Agreed on 99's take on things there. You were too free with need-to-know-basis info, and you are now paying a premium for trusting someone who has obviously never felt a woman's scorn over acquisition of necessary man gear. Woman would argue that pulled precious financial resources away from shoes, nails, handbags, worthless home decor, and other she-flotsam/jetsam and feminine life support things.
What punishment to tell you to mete out is not for me to say, but I will bet the farm that one day that old b!+c# karma will come back to haunt young buckhunter jr., and you will have the option to feel sorry for him - or maybe the just pleasure to not. And then remind him how women are from Venus, and Men are almost always wrong....
Cold water and bright lights to wake up by. Flush the toilet when he's in the shower. Take her for steak and leave him a can of beans. Just a few ideas.
AJ, Browning Citori. 26in barrel, English stock.
Carl, The dirty deed took place on Wednesday night after I revealed my new toy at the skeet range. Questions followed.
i was lucky i was smart enough never to break the golden rule...my job was usually to distract mom long enough for him to get the gun upstairs without being seen...from personnel experience i know the s*** rolls downhill. if i opened my mouth and he got yelled at, i was going to get it from him. my father is 6'3 and 240, a scary individual for a young lad to face. now its my little brothers job to create the diversion.
The JOY of being singel,I can buy what I want an answer to no one! the feel and smell(Hoppe's#9) of a new gun, Is almost as good as the smell(shalimar) of a good woman!
Ditto~jamesti.
My dad would have never told me what he paid for anything. That was considered nunyabidness.
Buck that's a good gun and probably would cost me a few shoes. And unlike shoes will only appreciate and can be passed down!!!!
My wife and I buy guns together, no issue for us.
PS Looking at the quality of parental posts on this site. The problem with youth is more often innocence than betrayal.
Man up and learn to justify your purchase like a man. Keeping secrets from your betrothed eventually leads to trouble so you may as well learn how to live honestly with your wife.
buckhunter,
The problem is you not appreciating your situation. You have a boy and you took him with you to buy something you knew could bite you in the ars, lol, first mistake. I'm envious of your situation. I wish my boys were young again no matter the trouble they got me in with my wife of the time. You lucky sob.
As a matter of fact, my wife was with me when I bought my first rifle after we were married, the .35 Whelen that I have hunted with for many moons, and she gave me one of my Weatherby Mark V's for our 30th anniversary. Went together on our 35th to buy the 638 Bodyguard she carries. I have brought a few used guns home and let them assimilate into the collection, but nothig new or expensive. She bought my laser rangefinder for Christmas a few years ago.
"Why, this old thing?" is a common phrase used by both on occasion.... :-)
WAM,
I definitely understand the 'guns for/or butter concept'; that's an important tenet of history and nations. There was the time I liquidated the WHOLE gun collection except for my Ruger #1 to finance rock stardom, only to come back off the road broke as a joke and with less respect than Rodney Dangerfield.. .... never again. And there have been more than a few times daddy's guitar collection has been pared back to pay for necessities.
And after going through girlfriends and fiancées that didn't get it about man and his quest for firepower, I met my now-wife and knew she was a Godsend when early on she goes "Oh, by the way you're OK with the fact I keep a .38 on me and I have a carry permit, right????"
SCORE!!!!!!
In all seriousness the peace in the valley here is due the fact that I don't hide what my man stuff costs from her, and likewise that I don't go high-order when I come off a road trip to the "Honey, don't be mad, but I went to the antique auction and......."
Whoops, Make him suffer. Remove one man card. Many, many nasty chores. LOL
I fit in pretty well with WAM and sgaredneck. I've had to convert high grade ordinance steel (2 M12 Wins and a custom stocked No 1) to biscuits and gravy! Not fun! Having the 4 year old "light of your life" tell you she's hungry and not being able to do anything about it is WAY worse!!
The old "ball & chain" (actually, mine is a jewel!) found out early on, firearms and land "appreciate". Jewelery "depreciates". Not only that, I had a closet full of walnut and steel when we married.
She's the first one in the cooler when I bring a deer home.
I was 28 when I finally found her. That was 33 years ago. Think I'll keep her.
Don't tell me I'm wrong either. She TELLS me how many deer I have to kill each year. Then sends me out to do it! ...and WANTS me to go fishing. Heck, she outfished me last spring. ...and WANTS me to buy a boat! Can't beat it!
Hey GERG!
If the temperature is two 1's and a nothing, (110) why does it hurt when you step outside? LOL!!!
How's LR?
Bubba
For this serious breach of security, this violation of The Code, he must be banished from the company of men in the council tent and may not accompany them afield for as long as you are reminded by your spouse about how much you spent...and that may be a long, long time.
A colleague's wife often points to his rifles in turn and comments, "That's my living room couch. That's the new television. There's my fur coat." And they are retired. Fortunately, his wife has a sense of humor and it's almost a comedy routine. She held up an aluminum cup he won in a Heavy Benchrest match and asked, How much did that rifle cost? And the scope? And look, you've gotten this little aluminum cup that'll be our new dust collector! Isn't that a bargain?"
Teach the lad wisdom; he has opened Pandora's Box. He need not be shunned or banished, but he must be instructed by all the braves. Ultimately, when he is married, he will understand the boundaries. I DO NOT ask what my wife spends on her acquisitions, and I normally answer that my firearms were purchased at a very reasonable price, a bargain. Marital bliss need not be impacted by trivial details.
All kidding aside, my wife knows the price of my rifles, and I know what she spends on her interests. Doesn't matter. We've been together for 30 years and I know she drives a tough bargain. I'm pleased with whatever puts a smile on her face, and she knows I'll be a shooter until they fill my ears with six feet of dirt.
As for the lad, thrash him roundly, leave no scars, and wait patiently for the day his wife asks, "You spent how much on that?" Then smile broadly and know there is balance in the universe for those who patiently wait for it.
Wow! A voice from the past! Welcome back, Edward J Palumbo. You have been missed. We hope you have been well and can stay with us now.
And +1 for a great answer.
Bubba I sorta agree with you. But not everything appreciates or depreciates equally. Most guns don't increase in value only certain high grade brand guns or ones owned by a "somebody". Gold jewelry has increased non stop. Even if sold as scrap, it is a commodity. If it is signed so much the better. Diamonds on the other hand are a different story. My brother worked for several years for GIA [gem institute of America]. They graded investment quality diamonds but did not put a dollar amount. These diamonds are not the stones that all but 1000th of 1% of people wear. What people wear are about 2 steps above what you would find on a saw blade, Don't tell my wife. Diamonds are monopolized and the price and availability is fixed. Besides no one can tell a real diamond with a loop. You need float and not float solutions plus other gear. Gold you can find the sale price in the Times. Just keep in mind 24 karat is pure and 14 karat is 14 parts gold plus 10 parts some other metal. IE white gold is 10 parts nickel. In closing when gold as first offered for sale 30 years ago the price was $60 a troy OZ..
Good to See you back Mr Polumbo, why so long away?
Sorry PALUMBO!
I too have experience with such breaches. When I bought my last K-80 (Parcours Special) with wood hand picked by Dieter Kreighoff, my oldest son burst through the door at the gun club and exclaimed to my wife, "Daddy is buying a gun from Mr. Perry and it is $11,000."
My wife's reply was,"I hope it has nice wood."
Money can buy guns and a lot of other stuff, but it can't buy a wife like that.
Hello 99 and Moishe!
I missed the pearls of wisdom you gentlemen have provided and regret my absence, though will be periods of absence ahead. I have a different job that keeps me hopping, and I hope to transition to something else, something more compatible, as soon as possible so I can once more lead a "normal" life and spend more time reading and writing. It's a pleasure to see so many folks on here whose comments and ideas I've enjoyed. God bless you all, and have a wonderful 4th of July.
Ed
Welcome back Edward.
Nice purchase jeff
look, edward is still kicking! good to see you again.
Buckhunter, Jamesti - Good to see you both. I regret I can stop in only rarely, and hope that will change with a job transition and a better economy of time, but it's fun to catch up on the topics and comments I've missed. Glad to see the pillars of wisdom are still providing insights! Have a great 4th!
Ed
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that's what i love about not being married, i can buy what i want and not have to answer to anyone for it!
At least he did not black mail you.....I guess
The only solution is to dock his allowance to the tune of an equally expensive piece of jewelry for the missus. Then it's win/win for you and the wife. He should be done paying that off by the time he's 18.
I know what she pays for jewelry and she knows what I pay for guns. We don't have a problem with either. I guess it helps that early on in our marriage I had to leave the house one morning with my guns and sell them to buy groceries. Since then she says nothing to me when I buy guns. We have struggled to get where we are very comfortable today and can buy guns and jewelry whenever we want to. You appreciate them more.
The trick is to have enough guns that they can't differentiate between a old or new one. Don't you know why she's had that dress since high school? The Golden Rule for you is to keep your mouth shut! Why did you tell the lad in the first place? "It's better to remain silent and thought a fool than to open thy mouth and remove all doubt"
The JOY of being singel,I can buy what I want an answer to no one! the feel and smell(Hoppe's#9) of a new gun, Is almost as good as the smell(shalimar) of a good woman!
Ditto~jamesti.
I fit in pretty well with WAM and sgaredneck. I've had to convert high grade ordinance steel (2 M12 Wins and a custom stocked No 1) to biscuits and gravy! Not fun! Having the 4 year old "light of your life" tell you she's hungry and not being able to do anything about it is WAY worse!!
The old "ball & chain" (actually, mine is a jewel!) found out early on, firearms and land "appreciate". Jewelery "depreciates". Not only that, I had a closet full of walnut and steel when we married.
She's the first one in the cooler when I bring a deer home.
I was 28 when I finally found her. That was 33 years ago. Think I'll keep her.
Don't tell me I'm wrong either. She TELLS me how many deer I have to kill each year. Then sends me out to do it! ...and WANTS me to go fishing. Heck, she outfished me last spring. ...and WANTS me to buy a boat! Can't beat it!
Hey GERG!
If the temperature is two 1's and a nothing, (110) why does it hurt when you step outside? LOL!!!
How's LR?
Bubba
Hello 99 and Moishe!
I missed the pearls of wisdom you gentlemen have provided and regret my absence, though will be periods of absence ahead. I have a different job that keeps me hopping, and I hope to transition to something else, something more compatible, as soon as possible so I can once more lead a "normal" life and spend more time reading and writing. It's a pleasure to see so many folks on here whose comments and ideas I've enjoyed. God bless you all, and have a wonderful 4th of July.
Ed
The only solution is to dock his allowance to the tune of an equally expensive piece of jewelry for the missus. Then it's win/win for you and the wife. He should be done paying that off by the time he's 18.
MOMMY! MOMMY! GUESS WHAT DADDY DID!
Just suck it up and be more discreet next time.
make it hurt!
I think fisherus got to the root of the problem when he noted that you told your son much more than he needed to know. The cost of firearms is highly privileged information. That is something between you and your dealer, like the lawyer/client privilege.
I also favor the idea of having so many guns that nobody can tell the old from the new.
I've used the saying, "no its not new, i've had it for years.". I have enough guns to cause confusion and the wife has enough non-interest to believe it.
We've been on the guns to groceries program a time or two and it did not kill us. My wife likes guns and knows full well that they are usually salable at least for what you paid for it. Jewelry...not even.
I never ratted out my Old Man on anything he bought for himself during my growing up. Then again, as stern and strict as the Lt.Cmdr. was, I KNEW my a$$ would have been grass if I had done it.
Agreed on 99's take on things there. You were too free with need-to-know-basis info, and you are now paying a premium for trusting someone who has obviously never felt a woman's scorn over acquisition of necessary man gear. Woman would argue that pulled precious financial resources away from shoes, nails, handbags, worthless home decor, and other she-flotsam/jetsam and feminine life support things.
What punishment to tell you to mete out is not for me to say, but I will bet the farm that one day that old b!+c# karma will come back to haunt young buckhunter jr., and you will have the option to feel sorry for him - or maybe the just pleasure to not. And then remind him how women are from Venus, and Men are almost always wrong....
For this serious breach of security, this violation of The Code, he must be banished from the company of men in the council tent and may not accompany them afield for as long as you are reminded by your spouse about how much you spent...and that may be a long, long time.
A colleague's wife often points to his rifles in turn and comments, "That's my living room couch. That's the new television. There's my fur coat." And they are retired. Fortunately, his wife has a sense of humor and it's almost a comedy routine. She held up an aluminum cup he won in a Heavy Benchrest match and asked, How much did that rifle cost? And the scope? And look, you've gotten this little aluminum cup that'll be our new dust collector! Isn't that a bargain?"
Teach the lad wisdom; he has opened Pandora's Box. He need not be shunned or banished, but he must be instructed by all the braves. Ultimately, when he is married, he will understand the boundaries. I DO NOT ask what my wife spends on her acquisitions, and I normally answer that my firearms were purchased at a very reasonable price, a bargain. Marital bliss need not be impacted by trivial details.
Your fault! A family with secrets is not likely to survive. Especially about financial stuff. Keep it on the straight and narrow. Make sure your son knows he was doing the right thing.
I don't ask mine what she spends and she does the same.
And we mostly ignore one another it's very peaceful that way.
What kind of gun did you get?
My plan to take care of him while still awake was thwarted by the fact he out weighs me by 50 lbs and I could barely get my arm around his neck for a headlock. Plan II. I attack at dawn.
Don't ask, don't tell?
If this is not a joke!!! If you tell the truth you don't need a good memory and you will never tell only one lie. If you wife questions your stuff. Do what I do "ask her about the number and cost of her shoes". Knowing the filth that walks this earth. The only thing that protected my kids was the truth between us.
Cold water and bright lights to wake up by. Flush the toilet when he's in the shower. Take her for steak and leave him a can of beans. Just a few ideas.
AJ, Browning Citori. 26in barrel, English stock.
Carl, The dirty deed took place on Wednesday night after I revealed my new toy at the skeet range. Questions followed.
i was lucky i was smart enough never to break the golden rule...my job was usually to distract mom long enough for him to get the gun upstairs without being seen...from personnel experience i know the s*** rolls downhill. if i opened my mouth and he got yelled at, i was going to get it from him. my father is 6'3 and 240, a scary individual for a young lad to face. now its my little brothers job to create the diversion.
My dad would have never told me what he paid for anything. That was considered nunyabidness.
Buck that's a good gun and probably would cost me a few shoes. And unlike shoes will only appreciate and can be passed down!!!!
My wife and I buy guns together, no issue for us.
PS Looking at the quality of parental posts on this site. The problem with youth is more often innocence than betrayal.
Man up and learn to justify your purchase like a man. Keeping secrets from your betrothed eventually leads to trouble so you may as well learn how to live honestly with your wife.
buckhunter,
The problem is you not appreciating your situation. You have a boy and you took him with you to buy something you knew could bite you in the ars, lol, first mistake. I'm envious of your situation. I wish my boys were young again no matter the trouble they got me in with my wife of the time. You lucky sob.
As a matter of fact, my wife was with me when I bought my first rifle after we were married, the .35 Whelen that I have hunted with for many moons, and she gave me one of my Weatherby Mark V's for our 30th anniversary. Went together on our 35th to buy the 638 Bodyguard she carries. I have brought a few used guns home and let them assimilate into the collection, but nothig new or expensive. She bought my laser rangefinder for Christmas a few years ago.
"Why, this old thing?" is a common phrase used by both on occasion.... :-)
WAM,
I definitely understand the 'guns for/or butter concept'; that's an important tenet of history and nations. There was the time I liquidated the WHOLE gun collection except for my Ruger #1 to finance rock stardom, only to come back off the road broke as a joke and with less respect than Rodney Dangerfield.. .... never again. And there have been more than a few times daddy's guitar collection has been pared back to pay for necessities.
And after going through girlfriends and fiancées that didn't get it about man and his quest for firepower, I met my now-wife and knew she was a Godsend when early on she goes "Oh, by the way you're OK with the fact I keep a .38 on me and I have a carry permit, right????"
SCORE!!!!!!
In all seriousness the peace in the valley here is due the fact that I don't hide what my man stuff costs from her, and likewise that I don't go high-order when I come off a road trip to the "Honey, don't be mad, but I went to the antique auction and......."
Whoops, Make him suffer. Remove one man card. Many, many nasty chores. LOL
All kidding aside, my wife knows the price of my rifles, and I know what she spends on her interests. Doesn't matter. We've been together for 30 years and I know she drives a tough bargain. I'm pleased with whatever puts a smile on her face, and she knows I'll be a shooter until they fill my ears with six feet of dirt.
As for the lad, thrash him roundly, leave no scars, and wait patiently for the day his wife asks, "You spent how much on that?" Then smile broadly and know there is balance in the universe for those who patiently wait for it.
Wow! A voice from the past! Welcome back, Edward J Palumbo. You have been missed. We hope you have been well and can stay with us now.
And +1 for a great answer.
Bubba I sorta agree with you. But not everything appreciates or depreciates equally. Most guns don't increase in value only certain high grade brand guns or ones owned by a "somebody". Gold jewelry has increased non stop. Even if sold as scrap, it is a commodity. If it is signed so much the better. Diamonds on the other hand are a different story. My brother worked for several years for GIA [gem institute of America]. They graded investment quality diamonds but did not put a dollar amount. These diamonds are not the stones that all but 1000th of 1% of people wear. What people wear are about 2 steps above what you would find on a saw blade, Don't tell my wife. Diamonds are monopolized and the price and availability is fixed. Besides no one can tell a real diamond with a loop. You need float and not float solutions plus other gear. Gold you can find the sale price in the Times. Just keep in mind 24 karat is pure and 14 karat is 14 parts gold plus 10 parts some other metal. IE white gold is 10 parts nickel. In closing when gold as first offered for sale 30 years ago the price was $60 a troy OZ..
I too have experience with such breaches. When I bought my last K-80 (Parcours Special) with wood hand picked by Dieter Kreighoff, my oldest son burst through the door at the gun club and exclaimed to my wife, "Daddy is buying a gun from Mr. Perry and it is $11,000."
My wife's reply was,"I hope it has nice wood."
Money can buy guns and a lot of other stuff, but it can't buy a wife like that.
Welcome back Edward.
What kind of gun did you get?
Nice purchase jeff
look, edward is still kicking! good to see you again.
Buckhunter, Jamesti - Good to see you both. I regret I can stop in only rarely, and hope that will change with a job transition and a better economy of time, but it's fun to catch up on the topics and comments I've missed. Glad to see the pillars of wisdom are still providing insights! Have a great 4th!
Ed
Good to See you back Mr Polumbo, why so long away?
Sorry PALUMBO!
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