i only shot open sights with pellet guns i shot good out to 20 yards with it... but apparently a kid on my bus can hit the eye of a crow a t 100 yards with his bb gun...... im calling BS on that
never really shot anything open sight other then a handgun and a .22, and the farthest distance attempted was 50 yards...if i had a high powered rifle im sure i could shoot well off a bench at 100.
hunting situation probably 75 yards would be my max range, but im just guessing, never tested my open sight rifle shooting abilities that much.
Depends on what gun I am using, I can shoot accurately with my .22- 100 yards, my .243- 300 yards, and my 45-70- 500 yards. and that is with open sites, not target sites. I also shoot those guns at those distances every week, as many times as I can get out.
Iron target sights are really good for long range shooting on a well defined round target. You see the rim of white around the outside of a nice black bullseye through your peep. I shoot out to 600 yards with a .223 just fine with one of those. Clay is our long range iron sights man with his M1A. I'd like to see him shoot cause guys that know what they are doing with that rig can amaze you at 1000 yards.
I was just out on the range today ringing the steel ram at 500 meters (580 yards) with my .30-06. My comfort zone in a hunting situation with a rest on my pack or a tree limb is 300 yards unless I have a really good rest, am not huffing and puffing at 9,000 ft, and he is standing still broadside. Then maybe 350 - 400 yards.
Oh, I just re-read the question. With iron sights I can do lung shots off-hand with my .30-30 at 50 yards. Maybe with a rest I can do it also at 100 yards.
People talking about shooting 500 to 1000 yards with open sights. What are you shooting? Tanks? I can hardly see a deer at 500 yards with open sights. You might get lucky and hit one, but luck is all it would be.
Mesarich,
The long range iron sights are target sights. The rear is a peep and the front is a circle that surrounds the target, leaving a thin rim of white around the target for perfect alignment. The targets are big enough to see without a scope and the front sight allows you to perfectly surround the target circle for proper alignment.
About a half dozen of the U.S.'s top shooters (mostly military) practice at my range for the 600 yard Camp Perry nationals every year. It amazes me to watch them shoot. Laying prone and shooting offhand, they pop 600 yard targets with 6 inch groups all day with .223 75-90g VLD bullets. Like Clay, they DO know what they are doing.
I need a solid rest to do that but the iron sights DO work... just click in the elevation and windage dope and they perform as well as a scope on a target. The 1000 targets are about 2 1/2 feet in diameter so you can see them just as well with iron sights... just more challenging to get the bullets flying right at that range as it is with telescopic sights.
I still use a scope at that range for hunting so I can see what I am shooting at. A prairie dog appears big enough at 1000 yards to center the cross hairs on the chest and if your dope is right, you and your rifle are accurate, that is where the bullet hits.
Mesarich-
I do not have target sites but I consistently shoot 500 yards with my 45/70. It comes with practice and 40/20 vision. God has blessed me with amazing eyesight and I use it to my advantage. I got into long range shooting after attending my first ever Quigley meet where people use open sight rifles to shoot 1000 yards. They do have target sights, but there are divisions where you can use plain open sites. As Dakota man said with long range iron sites (which can cost $600+) you can see the target very plainly and it makes for a fun competition. I have always loved long range shooting and push myself to be consistent so if I were ever called upon to make a shot like that I would be able to without a doubt. When I practice I either shoot a Gong, which is a 12" Diameter cirle, or I fill milk jugs with water so I can see if I hit it. I found some Youtube videos to replicate what I am talking about-
After watching these videos I hope you will not think that 500-1000 yards is out of range. However, they both use target sites, I need to make a video of myself shooting the distance and post it too. The only reason I do not have the sites is due to price and not knowing exactly what I want, but some day soon I will be making the 1000+ yard shots as well.
I can accurately hit with open sights at 500 meters a human chest size target. Qualifying every year in the Marines with the M16A4 made that pretty much made that an easy thing to do. I figure I probably kept within an 8 inch group at that distance easily. I never actually scored my own shots, since we had other Marines scoring us.
What's the big deal of "O'MY GOD, I CAN"T SEE 1000 YARDS!"
The NRA target at 30, 50, 100, 200, 300, 400, 500, 600, 700, 800, 900 and 1000 yards the size of the black and rings are in proportion as to the width of the front sight. The farther the target, the larger the black and the rings.
NO BIG DEAL!
The only real problem is light and what Mother Nature through at'ya!
Paul T. said he couldn't even see 1000 yards yet alone read a speed limit sign untill he was real close, placed 2nd in his class that day and was amazed you can actually do it even for a blind man!
I was talking more of target shooting. Hitting clean in the vitals on an animal is a different story with iron sights. I would probably limit my iron site shooting at 100 yards with actual game.
i only shot open sights with pellet guns i shot good out to 20 yards with it... but apparently a kid on my bus can hit the eye of a crow a t 100 yards with his bb gun...... im calling BS on that
Iron target sights are really good for long range shooting on a well defined round target. You see the rim of white around the outside of a nice black bullseye through your peep. I shoot out to 600 yards with a .223 just fine with one of those. Clay is our long range iron sights man with his M1A. I'd like to see him shoot cause guys that know what they are doing with that rig can amaze you at 1000 yards.
People talking about shooting 500 to 1000 yards with open sights. What are you shooting? Tanks? I can hardly see a deer at 500 yards with open sights. You might get lucky and hit one, but luck is all it would be.
Depends on what gun I am using, I can shoot accurately with my .22- 100 yards, my .243- 300 yards, and my 45-70- 500 yards. and that is with open sites, not target sites. I also shoot those guns at those distances every week, as many times as I can get out.
I was just out on the range today ringing the steel ram at 500 meters (580 yards) with my .30-06. My comfort zone in a hunting situation with a rest on my pack or a tree limb is 300 yards unless I have a really good rest, am not huffing and puffing at 9,000 ft, and he is standing still broadside. Then maybe 350 - 400 yards.
Oh, I just re-read the question. With iron sights I can do lung shots off-hand with my .30-30 at 50 yards. Maybe with a rest I can do it also at 100 yards.
Mesarich,
The long range iron sights are target sights. The rear is a peep and the front is a circle that surrounds the target, leaving a thin rim of white around the target for perfect alignment. The targets are big enough to see without a scope and the front sight allows you to perfectly surround the target circle for proper alignment.
About a half dozen of the U.S.'s top shooters (mostly military) practice at my range for the 600 yard Camp Perry nationals every year. It amazes me to watch them shoot. Laying prone and shooting offhand, they pop 600 yard targets with 6 inch groups all day with .223 75-90g VLD bullets. Like Clay, they DO know what they are doing.
I need a solid rest to do that but the iron sights DO work... just click in the elevation and windage dope and they perform as well as a scope on a target. The 1000 targets are about 2 1/2 feet in diameter so you can see them just as well with iron sights... just more challenging to get the bullets flying right at that range as it is with telescopic sights.
I still use a scope at that range for hunting so I can see what I am shooting at. A prairie dog appears big enough at 1000 yards to center the cross hairs on the chest and if your dope is right, you and your rifle are accurate, that is where the bullet hits.
Mesarich-
I do not have target sites but I consistently shoot 500 yards with my 45/70. It comes with practice and 40/20 vision. God has blessed me with amazing eyesight and I use it to my advantage. I got into long range shooting after attending my first ever Quigley meet where people use open sight rifles to shoot 1000 yards. They do have target sights, but there are divisions where you can use plain open sites. As Dakota man said with long range iron sites (which can cost $600+) you can see the target very plainly and it makes for a fun competition. I have always loved long range shooting and push myself to be consistent so if I were ever called upon to make a shot like that I would be able to without a doubt. When I practice I either shoot a Gong, which is a 12" Diameter cirle, or I fill milk jugs with water so I can see if I hit it. I found some Youtube videos to replicate what I am talking about-
After watching these videos I hope you will not think that 500-1000 yards is out of range. However, they both use target sites, I need to make a video of myself shooting the distance and post it too. The only reason I do not have the sites is due to price and not knowing exactly what I want, but some day soon I will be making the 1000+ yard shots as well.
I can accurately hit with open sights at 500 meters a human chest size target. Qualifying every year in the Marines with the M16A4 made that pretty much made that an easy thing to do. I figure I probably kept within an 8 inch group at that distance easily. I never actually scored my own shots, since we had other Marines scoring us.
What's the big deal of "O'MY GOD, I CAN"T SEE 1000 YARDS!"
The NRA target at 30, 50, 100, 200, 300, 400, 500, 600, 700, 800, 900 and 1000 yards the size of the black and rings are in proportion as to the width of the front sight. The farther the target, the larger the black and the rings.
NO BIG DEAL!
The only real problem is light and what Mother Nature through at'ya!
Paul T. said he couldn't even see 1000 yards yet alone read a speed limit sign untill he was real close, placed 2nd in his class that day and was amazed you can actually do it even for a blind man!
I was talking more of target shooting. Hitting clean in the vitals on an animal is a different story with iron sights. I would probably limit my iron site shooting at 100 yards with actual game.
never really shot anything open sight other then a handgun and a .22, and the farthest distance attempted was 50 yards...if i had a high powered rifle im sure i could shoot well off a bench at 100.
hunting situation probably 75 yards would be my max range, but im just guessing, never tested my open sight rifle shooting abilities that much.
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Should have phrased it differently; I can hit a paper plate at 50 yards, but that won't do me much good on squirrels.
i only shot open sights with pellet guns i shot good out to 20 yards with it... but apparently a kid on my bus can hit the eye of a crow a t 100 yards with his bb gun...... im calling BS on that
Ethan-Good call. I can consistently hit a pop can at 50 yds. w/ a .22 but I wouldn't venture over that on game, no reason to was ammo or wound.
About 50 yards with a .22 not a very good grouping though
never really shot anything open sight other then a handgun and a .22, and the farthest distance attempted was 50 yards...if i had a high powered rifle im sure i could shoot well off a bench at 100.
hunting situation probably 75 yards would be my max range, but im just guessing, never tested my open sight rifle shooting abilities that much.
I'm pretty decent out to 50 with open sights on the .22 -- provided I have a rest.
Depends on what gun I am using, I can shoot accurately with my .22- 100 yards, my .243- 300 yards, and my 45-70- 500 yards. and that is with open sites, not target sites. I also shoot those guns at those distances every week, as many times as I can get out.
With a pellet gun I can snipe the cap of a soda bottle at 35 yards off of a stump from a rest.
That's easy
Depends what load I'm shooting in my M1A
168 grain, 32 clicks up and generally 7 clicks for wind.
M118 173 grain Special Ball, 30.5 clicks up and 6 clicks generally for wind.
Distance: 1000 yards
With an M16A2 300yds, was never provided the opportunity to shoot at a target further than that.
With open sights on my muzzleloader I dropped a deer last season at 125 yards.
Iron target sights are really good for long range shooting on a well defined round target. You see the rim of white around the outside of a nice black bullseye through your peep. I shoot out to 600 yards with a .223 just fine with one of those. Clay is our long range iron sights man with his M1A. I'd like to see him shoot cause guys that know what they are doing with that rig can amaze you at 1000 yards.
I was just out on the range today ringing the steel ram at 500 meters (580 yards) with my .30-06. My comfort zone in a hunting situation with a rest on my pack or a tree limb is 300 yards unless I have a really good rest, am not huffing and puffing at 9,000 ft, and he is standing still broadside. Then maybe 350 - 400 yards.
Oh, I just re-read the question. With iron sights I can do lung shots off-hand with my .30-30 at 50 yards. Maybe with a rest I can do it also at 100 yards.
I pretty god out to 50 yards with my .22 and muzzeloader, never realy shot open sights with a high power.
People talking about shooting 500 to 1000 yards with open sights. What are you shooting? Tanks? I can hardly see a deer at 500 yards with open sights. You might get lucky and hit one, but luck is all it would be.
I would limit my effective range to 100 yards for 8-10" targets with the rifles I have equipped with open sights; 150 yards for a 12-15" target.
Even though my eyes aren't what they used to be I could still hit a squirrel in the head at 25 yds. with iron sights. That would be the limit though.
Mesarich,
The long range iron sights are target sights. The rear is a peep and the front is a circle that surrounds the target, leaving a thin rim of white around the target for perfect alignment. The targets are big enough to see without a scope and the front sight allows you to perfectly surround the target circle for proper alignment.
About a half dozen of the U.S.'s top shooters (mostly military) practice at my range for the 600 yard Camp Perry nationals every year. It amazes me to watch them shoot. Laying prone and shooting offhand, they pop 600 yard targets with 6 inch groups all day with .223 75-90g VLD bullets. Like Clay, they DO know what they are doing.
I need a solid rest to do that but the iron sights DO work... just click in the elevation and windage dope and they perform as well as a scope on a target. The 1000 targets are about 2 1/2 feet in diameter so you can see them just as well with iron sights... just more challenging to get the bullets flying right at that range as it is with telescopic sights.
I still use a scope at that range for hunting so I can see what I am shooting at. A prairie dog appears big enough at 1000 yards to center the cross hairs on the chest and if your dope is right, you and your rifle are accurate, that is where the bullet hits.
Mesarich-
I do not have target sites but I consistently shoot 500 yards with my 45/70. It comes with practice and 40/20 vision. God has blessed me with amazing eyesight and I use it to my advantage. I got into long range shooting after attending my first ever Quigley meet where people use open sight rifles to shoot 1000 yards. They do have target sights, but there are divisions where you can use plain open sites. As Dakota man said with long range iron sites (which can cost $600+) you can see the target very plainly and it makes for a fun competition. I have always loved long range shooting and push myself to be consistent so if I were ever called upon to make a shot like that I would be able to without a doubt. When I practice I either shoot a Gong, which is a 12" Diameter cirle, or I fill milk jugs with water so I can see if I hit it. I found some Youtube videos to replicate what I am talking about-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuGzA1-HbNo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRaRCCZjdTM&feature=related
After watching these videos I hope you will not think that 500-1000 yards is out of range. However, they both use target sites, I need to make a video of myself shooting the distance and post it too. The only reason I do not have the sites is due to price and not knowing exactly what I want, but some day soon I will be making the 1000+ yard shots as well.
300 meters
I can accurately hit with open sights at 500 meters a human chest size target. Qualifying every year in the Marines with the M16A4 made that pretty much made that an easy thing to do. I figure I probably kept within an 8 inch group at that distance easily. I never actually scored my own shots, since we had other Marines scoring us.
What's the big deal of "O'MY GOD, I CAN"T SEE 1000 YARDS!"
The NRA target at 30, 50, 100, 200, 300, 400, 500, 600, 700, 800, 900 and 1000 yards the size of the black and rings are in proportion as to the width of the front sight. The farther the target, the larger the black and the rings.
NO BIG DEAL!
The only real problem is light and what Mother Nature through at'ya!
Paul T. said he couldn't even see 1000 yards yet alone read a speed limit sign untill he was real close, placed 2nd in his class that day and was amazed you can actually do it even for a blind man!
Agreed Clay.
Eye sight doesn't mean a whole lot. The better you see, just means the better you can see your shot spotters after your target is scored in the pits.
If you can focus on your front site, that is all you need to worry about when shooting with irons.
whitetailfreek
Your dead on Sir, all you need is to see that front sight. The rest is knowledge, skill and the ability to put it altogether!
Some people all they need is a swift kick in the CAN'TS
Unfortunately the vitals of game animals do not increase in size proportional to range...
Also agreed WAM.
I was talking more of target shooting. Hitting clean in the vitals on an animal is a different story with iron sights. I would probably limit my iron site shooting at 100 yards with actual game.
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i only shot open sights with pellet guns i shot good out to 20 yards with it... but apparently a kid on my bus can hit the eye of a crow a t 100 yards with his bb gun...... im calling BS on that
Iron target sights are really good for long range shooting on a well defined round target. You see the rim of white around the outside of a nice black bullseye through your peep. I shoot out to 600 yards with a .223 just fine with one of those. Clay is our long range iron sights man with his M1A. I'd like to see him shoot cause guys that know what they are doing with that rig can amaze you at 1000 yards.
People talking about shooting 500 to 1000 yards with open sights. What are you shooting? Tanks? I can hardly see a deer at 500 yards with open sights. You might get lucky and hit one, but luck is all it would be.
I would limit my effective range to 100 yards for 8-10" targets with the rifles I have equipped with open sights; 150 yards for a 12-15" target.
Even though my eyes aren't what they used to be I could still hit a squirrel in the head at 25 yds. with iron sights. That would be the limit though.
Agreed Clay.
Eye sight doesn't mean a whole lot. The better you see, just means the better you can see your shot spotters after your target is scored in the pits.
If you can focus on your front site, that is all you need to worry about when shooting with irons.
Unfortunately the vitals of game animals do not increase in size proportional to range...
Should have phrased it differently; I can hit a paper plate at 50 yards, but that won't do me much good on squirrels.
Ethan-Good call. I can consistently hit a pop can at 50 yds. w/ a .22 but I wouldn't venture over that on game, no reason to was ammo or wound.
About 50 yards with a .22 not a very good grouping though
I'm pretty decent out to 50 with open sights on the .22 -- provided I have a rest.
Depends on what gun I am using, I can shoot accurately with my .22- 100 yards, my .243- 300 yards, and my 45-70- 500 yards. and that is with open sites, not target sites. I also shoot those guns at those distances every week, as many times as I can get out.
With a pellet gun I can snipe the cap of a soda bottle at 35 yards off of a stump from a rest.
That's easy
Depends what load I'm shooting in my M1A
168 grain, 32 clicks up and generally 7 clicks for wind.
M118 173 grain Special Ball, 30.5 clicks up and 6 clicks generally for wind.
Distance: 1000 yards
With an M16A2 300yds, was never provided the opportunity to shoot at a target further than that.
With open sights on my muzzleloader I dropped a deer last season at 125 yards.
I was just out on the range today ringing the steel ram at 500 meters (580 yards) with my .30-06. My comfort zone in a hunting situation with a rest on my pack or a tree limb is 300 yards unless I have a really good rest, am not huffing and puffing at 9,000 ft, and he is standing still broadside. Then maybe 350 - 400 yards.
Oh, I just re-read the question. With iron sights I can do lung shots off-hand with my .30-30 at 50 yards. Maybe with a rest I can do it also at 100 yards.
I pretty god out to 50 yards with my .22 and muzzeloader, never realy shot open sights with a high power.
Mesarich,
The long range iron sights are target sights. The rear is a peep and the front is a circle that surrounds the target, leaving a thin rim of white around the target for perfect alignment. The targets are big enough to see without a scope and the front sight allows you to perfectly surround the target circle for proper alignment.
About a half dozen of the U.S.'s top shooters (mostly military) practice at my range for the 600 yard Camp Perry nationals every year. It amazes me to watch them shoot. Laying prone and shooting offhand, they pop 600 yard targets with 6 inch groups all day with .223 75-90g VLD bullets. Like Clay, they DO know what they are doing.
I need a solid rest to do that but the iron sights DO work... just click in the elevation and windage dope and they perform as well as a scope on a target. The 1000 targets are about 2 1/2 feet in diameter so you can see them just as well with iron sights... just more challenging to get the bullets flying right at that range as it is with telescopic sights.
I still use a scope at that range for hunting so I can see what I am shooting at. A prairie dog appears big enough at 1000 yards to center the cross hairs on the chest and if your dope is right, you and your rifle are accurate, that is where the bullet hits.
Mesarich-
I do not have target sites but I consistently shoot 500 yards with my 45/70. It comes with practice and 40/20 vision. God has blessed me with amazing eyesight and I use it to my advantage. I got into long range shooting after attending my first ever Quigley meet where people use open sight rifles to shoot 1000 yards. They do have target sights, but there are divisions where you can use plain open sites. As Dakota man said with long range iron sites (which can cost $600+) you can see the target very plainly and it makes for a fun competition. I have always loved long range shooting and push myself to be consistent so if I were ever called upon to make a shot like that I would be able to without a doubt. When I practice I either shoot a Gong, which is a 12" Diameter cirle, or I fill milk jugs with water so I can see if I hit it. I found some Youtube videos to replicate what I am talking about-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuGzA1-HbNo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRaRCCZjdTM&feature=related
After watching these videos I hope you will not think that 500-1000 yards is out of range. However, they both use target sites, I need to make a video of myself shooting the distance and post it too. The only reason I do not have the sites is due to price and not knowing exactly what I want, but some day soon I will be making the 1000+ yard shots as well.
300 meters
I can accurately hit with open sights at 500 meters a human chest size target. Qualifying every year in the Marines with the M16A4 made that pretty much made that an easy thing to do. I figure I probably kept within an 8 inch group at that distance easily. I never actually scored my own shots, since we had other Marines scoring us.
What's the big deal of "O'MY GOD, I CAN"T SEE 1000 YARDS!"
The NRA target at 30, 50, 100, 200, 300, 400, 500, 600, 700, 800, 900 and 1000 yards the size of the black and rings are in proportion as to the width of the front sight. The farther the target, the larger the black and the rings.
NO BIG DEAL!
The only real problem is light and what Mother Nature through at'ya!
Paul T. said he couldn't even see 1000 yards yet alone read a speed limit sign untill he was real close, placed 2nd in his class that day and was amazed you can actually do it even for a blind man!
Also agreed WAM.
I was talking more of target shooting. Hitting clean in the vitals on an animal is a different story with iron sights. I would probably limit my iron site shooting at 100 yards with actual game.
never really shot anything open sight other then a handgun and a .22, and the farthest distance attempted was 50 yards...if i had a high powered rifle im sure i could shoot well off a bench at 100.
hunting situation probably 75 yards would be my max range, but im just guessing, never tested my open sight rifle shooting abilities that much.
whitetailfreek
Your dead on Sir, all you need is to see that front sight. The rest is knowledge, skill and the ability to put it altogether!
Some people all they need is a swift kick in the CAN'TS
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