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Question by T. Uploaded on December 28, 2010
It;s a proven gun with a 60 year history I have one in 15 ga that was made in 1961 it has never failed yet. Cabelas is also O.K.
I've had one for over 25 years. I have two brothers that use them. No problems with any of them.
I have one of the newer ones, have never handled the old. It's a fine gun, in my opinion. One thing I have read, and which has been backed up by experience, is that the new ones are very prone to rust, despite the matte-finish they put on there.
Go for the Wingmaster. There are a lot of complaints about the new Expresses, from what I hear.
I have a 20 year old Wingmaster and it has never failed me under many tough conditions. I have gravitated to using it over autoloaders over the last decade because of reliability and sight picture. The Expresses are a cheaped out version but still using the same reliable action. You could do a lot worse for under $1000. I like the Benelli Golden Eagle for serious goose shooting because of the low recoil for 3 1/2 inch shells but that is about $1200.
You cannot go wrong with an 870.
i was looking at the express laminate
No complaints form me.
I would choose my 870 if limited to only one gun for the rest of my life.
I learned with an 870 Wingmaster 20 ga. and still shoot it today. A good friend has a 870 Express 12 ga. that he has put a couple thousand rounds through, and no problems yet. Get one, clean it regularly, and you won't have any problems.
I have an express, and use it for everything. I have a few complaints but I still wouldn't trade it. #1) It hates low brass shells but mainly winchester low brass. It will eject(issue #2) federal and remington shells fine and maybe jamb 1 out of 50-100 and can easily be ejected after a little force. I've had some winys jamb so bad I had to take the barrell off and for that reason I will never put winys thru it ever again. Note that my friends 11-87 does the same thing with winys, so it could be the ammunition. #2) It doesn't eject the shells nearly as well as it should. I have had shells stovepipe when trying to chamber another round and then I would have to remove by hand which can ruin a second shot and it has. There maybe an easy fix for this but I don't know of it so if anyone could help I would greatly appreciate it!
never have had any problems with the gun. a friend of mine fell in a creek while hunting about 10 years ago the gun got all muddy we cleaned it with out t-shirt and it worked fine the rest of the weekend and still works great today. no problems with the ejection.
My only complaint about my 870, is it isn't a Mod 12 Win!! LOL!!!
The Mod 12 Win was/is the ultimate pumpgun. The 870 Rem, in my opinion, is probably as close as you can EVER get to a Mod 12.
The 870 is extremely reliable. It has proven itself over many, many years and will probably be a staple for many more years to come!!!
I don't see ANYBODY producing a firearm any better, any cheaper, anytime soon!!!
Bubba, i do love the model 12 win as well. my dad has one. not only is it reliable but it looks really cool too.
I never cared much for the Moded 12. My father had a 20 ga. I believe the model 97 had a much slicker action and so does the 870. JMHO
try to get an older one that has been cared for. great shotguns. one of the best ever made.
I have an OLD wingmaster & it always kills birds with no hickups...Id like to go get something new & shinny but why...it will probably go to my Son when Im gone...Good Gun
Bubba my grandfather gave me his model 12 in 20 gauge from 1936. In my opinion you can't get any better pump
I personally prefer a benelli supernova or nova Remington has beren having some quality issues lately neither will fail you and is rock solid
I've gotta go with crazyhunter on this one. The reputation of the 870 is stellar. Reputation is built on the past presently they seem to be having QAQC issues. The nova is the way to go
Great guns Ive got many friends that use them and never complain or have any problems.
A great gun in my opinion. Although many of these guys say there older ones are amazing, SOME of the newer ones (not all) have some problems, but if you contact remington they'll take care of it.
I don't have new 870's because I have never been able to wear them out! The 870 has the Dr. WAM Unconditional Good Armskeeping Seal of Approval. Come tell us about your Benelli's in 20 years!
The Express is not the 870 of old. All the older 870s were gems, no doubt. The Express loves to rust, has cheap wood, and apparently has some function issues here and there too from what I've been hearing. The Wingmaster is an awesome gun then and now.
Shane said it better than I did, +1. I would love to add an 870 to the gun safe, but it will not be an Express and it will not be bought new. I'm thinking a '70s, early '80s model.
Shane is right, 20 years ago, my old Express had a few spots of rust appear and the forearm swell and crack from all day duck hunting in the rain. A little TLC with an oily rag on the metal and some linseed oil on the wood and everthing was all right. I've used that 870 every year since and have no complaints. It may be ugly, but it still functions perfectly. (same gun is pictured in my avatar and in my one photo).
I've shot a Wingmaster for decades. I like it so much a few Christmases ago I gave both my sons 870's. I carried one for years back when I wore a badge and thus trusted my life to it. I just don't have anything bad to say about it.
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