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I just don't get it.......maybe someone can school me a little here....... I noticed someone recently posted their blog site with a wolf he had shot. And no offense there, but I need to hear your guys' thoughts- seriously. I grew up and was taught to eat what you shoot, otherwise you really have to justify the kill. In college, a buddy's cousin had a ranch- he said we needed to go out and shoot up as many rabbits as we could- but said we weren't cooking them. When I asked about why the shoot then, his answer justified the shooting- 16 rabbits can eat as much grass as a head of cattle on a day and they create holes the cattle step in. I'll buy that, so went along with the hunt. But wolves? And please- no rhetoric about them stealing calves, lamb, etc. I'm being dead serious- so if you reply with that answer, you better damn well be a rancher with experience of that! So tell me- why hunt wolves? (p.s. I just added a pic of my "dog" on my profile, so maybe I'm too close to the issue.)
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Now lets say you and your dog are walking through the woods just looking around, then a pack of wolves jump on your dog and kills it!!!!! now what you have to say!!!!
Humans are great at creating inbalances in natural populations. First we manipulate habitat to our needs, helping some species and hurting others. Then, when we eliminated many of the predators, deer and elk populations exploded. When we took away feeding grounds for cattle grazing, elk populations plummeted. Now, when we add wolves back into the mixture, elk and deer populations have gone down. Since we have unnaturally altered the populations of animals, it is necessary to use sound advice from highly trained scientific individuals to sometimes manage predators as well as prey animals. While we aren't eating them, we are in essence creating a more balanced population. It is called "top down control" which is managing from the top of the food chain, and can be more difficult to manage than "bottom up control", or harvesting of animals lower in the food chain. Hopefully the hunt can be well regulated, and the process can continue to be monitored to ensure the proper number are harvested. While some fight over whether it is a victory for one side or the other, I think everyone recognizes the need to protect what natural habitat is left.
MN_deer
If you don't understand why yet, most likley you will never understand why. You have to put yourself in the shoes of the ranchers and others who have lost animals to these SOBs!!!!!
In Laymen's terms... Wolves hold a vital key in regulation of the ecosystem. Without them, well, look at the effects on Yellowstone. Too many of them, the population of larger game species (elk) will diminish. Their numbers need to be regulated in order to maintain a healthy ecosystem. The process by which regulating these animals and almost all animals is called hunting.
I like hunting, I have hunted since I was eligable. It was a great expierience to go on my first hunting trip with my dad, you know, bonding and all that stuff. I hunt elk and I eat the elk (which is saying more than most the wolves that hunt elk).
Wolves have seriously damaged the elk population in Montana (google the northern heard if you need to). Some people don't see that as a problem yet. I wouldn't want to see elk become endagered because of an unmanaged wolf problem. What comes next after they run out of elk to kill? Deer? The already low populated big horn sheep? More livestock and pets?
Wolves are the only animals other than humans that kill for pleasure... thing is they don't understand the meaning of moderation. They kill to kill and they are a huge threat against every other animal in their path.
To say it simply... there isn't a wolf out there that is worth more than someone's kids or pets. No one is gonna shoot your pet dog (cliche). That's like saying that someone who hunts elk is gonna start shooting moo cows.
There are even times when it crosses my mind that the anti-hunters are so protective of the wolves because they know that they can't stop hunting, but there poster child wolf is killing so many elk that it could eventually lead to the end of hunting in that way. Ironic huh?
All in all.... I would rather lose a couple dozen wolves than another 3600 head of elk.
how about killing coyotes that kill the neighbors and my cat's or my chickens .
so you really must be against trapping right ?
if you look on the internet it not all that hard to find actual news paper reports on all the damage and killing wolves do to livestock . as a matter of fact if you look back a few pages right here you can find a post by beekeeper giving you links to detailed records that the Russian government have kept on wolf attacks and killings through out history . they keep much better track off it than us apparently . oh if you dont like my answer to your question you better Damn Well go pi$$ up a rope .
I think, in general, the key is also to use what you kill, not necessarily to eat it. I mean, most folks throw out deer hides, but keep the meat. Wolves are the reverse.
I echo RobinHood's statements here.
I'm personally not much of a predator hunter (I've shot one bobcat and one coyote in 20 years of hunting). That being said, I think there is definitely a place in the world for predator hunting, for two main reasons...
1) A moderate amount of population control keeps the animals in question from becoming so prolific that they damage their own survival. If wolf populations were allowed to grow unchecked, they would re-claim their historic ranges to the point that the suburbanites would feel "threatened". This happened in the late 1800's in Tennessee, and just after the turn of the 20th century the last wolf in the state was killed. It's best to keep the numbers low enough that they stay in the truly wild places.
2) Hunters like plentiful game, and have grown accustomed to being the main balance in the ecosystem. The environment doesn't need us to control populations of herd animals - it just needs something to. Wolves are the hunter's second best competition in the field (second only to other hunters), and frankly...we're selfish. We could allow wolf populations to grow enough that eventually they could control elk to the point that we had to stop hunting them. Who wants that? Only the anti-hunters.
I know my reasons aren't iron-clad, but those are the ones that I personally believe are true and semi-valid. Some say that killing purely for sport is OK, but I lean away from that for the most part. That's just my personal decision.
We pay fish and game departments to manage wildlife. They say that its time to control the wolf population through a limited hunting season. Everyone benefits here. There are no losers. Ranchers and farmers will have a slightly easier time raising livestock. Hunters will have a chance at a magnificent trophy. Wolf populations will become more wary of man and will continue to thrive. State coffers will be infused with needed cash. Campers and hikers will be safer doing their thing. Where is the negative in this deal?
Well stated Robinhood.
If your town had a high number of feral dogs would you want them controlled or left to run free?
Not to mention that the Canadians have been hunting wolves for years and still can't keep the population under control.
Great answer libertyfrist A+
Regulation is the key. Just as here in Mo when we have to many deer the tags for them increase and vice verse. Wolves do not deserve a free pass.
I am not a rancher, nor do i live in an area with Wolves. I eat what i kill, but if i saw my beloved deer herd (or elk) being decimated by wolves, along with widespread livestock predation as well as pets and even human conflict etc., you can bet your ass i'd take one out if i had a tag. And no i would not eat it, though i'm sure something would. Many good answers above. I do not believe they should exterminated, but managed.
Look junior, I dont care what kind of dog you got that wont persuade me one bit. Like they said if you dont understand now then you never will, a friend of mine who owns over 2000 acres and runs cattle year round has lost a ton of income and 2 of his best dogs because of wolves, by the way the dogs were killed 10 feet from his front porch, so if you think their is no problem bring your dog out here and go for a stroll in the hills and let me know how it works for you.
Here in Texas we dont have wolves. The coyote problem here is bad on our cattle, sheep, goats, and deer. I live and work on a ranch and have seen what they do to livestock and can only imagine what a wolf can do to livestock and deer/elk populations.
Here we shoot or trap as many of them as we can. The annual livestock that are killed by preditors each year come to millions of dollars across the U.S. and there is no way of getting any money back from that. So the only way to protect our animals is by keeping there numbers down.
Then there's a rabies problem that comes with them and just a couple of infected animals can cause all kinds of hell within just a week or so by infecting other animals.
So I've got to say shoot, trap or what ever means you can to keep them away from livestock and our own pets. If you want to keep the pelts do it. If not dont.
They probably don't eat up your sugar beets, corn, dairy cows, and wheat fields and whatever else you grow up there. Maybe you could feed Al Franken and Jesse Ventura to them?
This isn't a matter of sportsmanship or even hunting, this is a matter of MANAGEMENT. The wolf population has made more than a successful recovery and the wolf is a predator that is super efficient at what it does, it has no natural predator so the population will do nothing but grow. So it is up to us to take care of that...
It is a form of population control plain and simple, the game department decided to have a limited hunting season verses spending tax payers dollars to have the wolves trapped and killed or poisoned. I would venture a guess that if you look at what the profit from the tags will be used for it is probably enviromental funding to make sure the wolves have the best chance for servival.Would you rather the game department wait for the wolf population to get so far out of control that they start attacking people or family pets, then you would be looking at wolves being killed on a large scale by poisoning and the use of sharp shooters by the game department.
Oh yeah, I love dogs more than most, but don't let a dog that looks like that loose around here...might get popped for a wolf or coyote.
rhetoric about them stealing calves and lambs: really?
rhetoric? go crawl in a hole and expire you pasty faced little twerp. Oh i eat all i kill! you sanctimonious little AH. where do you live; manhattan?
wolves out west have managed to devastate wildlife, lifestock, and good folks livelihoods. but you dont see that so you dont care. no body has to justify nuthin to the likes of you. drop dead.
haha
Calm down Tom! lol
Good facts though...
Many years ago as a youth I regularly hunted a high valley that only had super cub access. It was like an Eden of game. We trapped and actively hunted the wolves and wolverine that lived in the area. The local pack stayed at around 5 to 6 animals. Every moose hunt we would see 3 or 4 legal bull moose in the valley. One of my friends that was most active in the area was killed in a plane wreck and the rest of us got old, married, or just too busy to spend much time there. I returned 15 years later and was shocked by what had happened. In a weeks time we saw no moose while on foot and only could find 1 cow from the air. I wanted to know what happened so I returned to the valley and started to check tracks, scat and other signs. What I found was that the number of wolves had grown to become a "super pack" of 16 adults and 6 pups. The area had useable moose trails 15 years before but now had dense brush that was almost impassable. After looking at the wolf scats I found that it contained parts of beaver, porcupine, grouse, rabbits, ptarmigan, black bear and sheep but almost no moose hair or bones. The valley had become what is known as a "predator pit" where big game numbers will stay low for years. During one hard winter in this period the wolves left the valley and came into the outskirts of town and started killing dogs. About that time the state of Alaska started intensely managing the wolf population. In a week I am going back to the valley with my son and one of my old pals. After another 15 years of predator control the survey numbers look good. I will give you a follow up report. The bottom line is that wolves are predators that have to be managed. Done properly you can have game and predators but let the predator numbers get too high and the damage to game numbers will be drastic and take a long time to bring back. Also, even though your dog and these wolves had a common ancestor thousands of years ago they now have as much in common as an Angus bull and a Cape buffalo.
Sheep farmers loses around 2000 animals a year to wolves.In the past, farmers were allowed to shoot wolves, estimated to be responsible for 2000 of the killing, only if they were caught in the act of stealing livestock. The farmers support the hunt and my uncle is one of them that own a sheep farms and he strongly hunt wolves to protect his investment.
idahohunter put it well on another post he said he had no intents on eating the wolf but he did on the populations of game the wolves were threatening
Hi Guys- Wow! 25 replies in 12 hours- a hot subject. Let me say this first- I didn't understand it, not that I was against it. And I asked to be "schooled", so yes I learned a lot from reading these posts. The canned answer I usually see is from people who regurgitate wolf-stealing-domestic-animal stories, but never witnessed it, hence my request from real ranchers. I would have been satisfied with reading RobinHood's response and stopped there, but thought I'd read on. Here in MN we don't have a wolf population that's decimating the deer herds, etc. but -contrary to those who say "you'll never understand..." I do. I'm capable of learning; I don't live in Manhattan (why would I have a handle of "MNDeer?- oh, Tom thinks MN stands for Manhattan!, ah, there's no deer there), I'm not a sanctimonious little AH, nor a twerp (I am pasty faced, but that's Swedish heritage genes), and I'm not sure I like being called "Junior" (unless you're older than me at 47). So thanks to those who took the high-road, I got what I asked for and can now relay the appropriate response with an educated background........and Tom, you're a fruit-loop, get a psych-eval.
Oh and my apologies to IdahoHunter- I didn't mean in any way to single him out as an instigator to this issue.
manage them like other game animals. Not for the sake of farmers though.
Wise management of our resources help to maintain a healthy balance in nature. This balance is usually very hard to attain in today's world with fragmented habitat and skewed land use patterns.
Nothing to add, you gentlemen covered most all of it....the word wolf sure does kick up a debate these days....I feel bad for the wolf, he is just being a wolf, never knows how political his existence has become....
idahooutdoors has the gist of it.
It's a physical vs. ethical question to me. If livestock is being killed, I feel that those people have the right to stop it. Like Canadian geese, maybe they've been protected too long (We're up to our armpits in those here, wish they tasted good).
Would I like to randomly hunt down wolves? No. Would I help someone who is actually getting his animals eaten by wolves by culling a few? Yes. Maybe. Oh well, maybe it's a good thing that this part of North Carolina doesn't have those issues.
I am all for eating what you kill. But when you are damage control hunting it is not nessesary to eat the animal you are killing. If I had to eat all the animals I killed I would be 300 pounds. Since June 10th I have killed 27 racoons, 2 skunks and 1 musk rat. The coons where raiding my barn and the horse farm accrose the road. The 2 skunks where just getting annoying spraying my yard up every night (one of them got the neighbors dog). The musk rat was digging up my friends pond, threatining to drain it. And I think those are pretty good reasons to take the animal out.
My apologies to MN_deer and others. I was out of line in my response. This should be a forum for education and the sharing of experiences.
In Wyoming, We have a pretty good hand full of wolf attacks up north. But that's really not the real problem. Economical damage that it is doing here is where our worry lies. Here in Northern Wyoming, our economy relies greatly on tourism in the summer, skiers in the winter, and big game hunters in the fall. Many of us are part time and several our full time outfitters. We rely greatly on people from the east to come spend their thousands of dollars to hunt here. The hunters spend their money to the outfitters, they buy beer in our bars, they buy food at the store, they fly into our airports, and sleep in our motels. Between the Griz's and the wolves, the number of elk and moose calves that make it past calving season has decreased pretty dramatically. Im not for the guy that goes out to kill wolves just for the hell of it...I am, however, in favor of a wolf season. Im an avid hunter, and I eat what I kill, but im not opposed to trohpy hunting either.
I was able to return to the valley that I mentioned above for four days this September. I did not see a legal bull but did see six cows and each had a calf with her. I also saw one sub-legal bull. In that time I only found one wolf track that was fresh. After talking with the local ADF&G biologist he felt that I had gone in too early and the bulls were not starting to turn rutty yet. They stay down in the flats for the summer and bring cows with them as they move into higher country for the rut. He had surveyed that valley the year before in the first week of October and there were four legal bulls, three sub-legal bulls and twenty-seven cows and most had calves. I think that the predator controls are working. With careful management you can have it all!
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Humans are great at creating inbalances in natural populations. First we manipulate habitat to our needs, helping some species and hurting others. Then, when we eliminated many of the predators, deer and elk populations exploded. When we took away feeding grounds for cattle grazing, elk populations plummeted. Now, when we add wolves back into the mixture, elk and deer populations have gone down. Since we have unnaturally altered the populations of animals, it is necessary to use sound advice from highly trained scientific individuals to sometimes manage predators as well as prey animals. While we aren't eating them, we are in essence creating a more balanced population. It is called "top down control" which is managing from the top of the food chain, and can be more difficult to manage than "bottom up control", or harvesting of animals lower in the food chain. Hopefully the hunt can be well regulated, and the process can continue to be monitored to ensure the proper number are harvested. While some fight over whether it is a victory for one side or the other, I think everyone recognizes the need to protect what natural habitat is left.
Hi Guys- Wow! 25 replies in 12 hours- a hot subject. Let me say this first- I didn't understand it, not that I was against it. And I asked to be "schooled", so yes I learned a lot from reading these posts. The canned answer I usually see is from people who regurgitate wolf-stealing-domestic-animal stories, but never witnessed it, hence my request from real ranchers. I would have been satisfied with reading RobinHood's response and stopped there, but thought I'd read on. Here in MN we don't have a wolf population that's decimating the deer herds, etc. but -contrary to those who say "you'll never understand..." I do. I'm capable of learning; I don't live in Manhattan (why would I have a handle of "MNDeer?- oh, Tom thinks MN stands for Manhattan!, ah, there's no deer there), I'm not a sanctimonious little AH, nor a twerp (I am pasty faced, but that's Swedish heritage genes), and I'm not sure I like being called "Junior" (unless you're older than me at 47). So thanks to those who took the high-road, I got what I asked for and can now relay the appropriate response with an educated background........and Tom, you're a fruit-loop, get a psych-eval.
We pay fish and game departments to manage wildlife. They say that its time to control the wolf population through a limited hunting season. Everyone benefits here. There are no losers. Ranchers and farmers will have a slightly easier time raising livestock. Hunters will have a chance at a magnificent trophy. Wolf populations will become more wary of man and will continue to thrive. State coffers will be infused with needed cash. Campers and hikers will be safer doing their thing. Where is the negative in this deal?
Many years ago as a youth I regularly hunted a high valley that only had super cub access. It was like an Eden of game. We trapped and actively hunted the wolves and wolverine that lived in the area. The local pack stayed at around 5 to 6 animals. Every moose hunt we would see 3 or 4 legal bull moose in the valley. One of my friends that was most active in the area was killed in a plane wreck and the rest of us got old, married, or just too busy to spend much time there. I returned 15 years later and was shocked by what had happened. In a weeks time we saw no moose while on foot and only could find 1 cow from the air. I wanted to know what happened so I returned to the valley and started to check tracks, scat and other signs. What I found was that the number of wolves had grown to become a "super pack" of 16 adults and 6 pups. The area had useable moose trails 15 years before but now had dense brush that was almost impassable. After looking at the wolf scats I found that it contained parts of beaver, porcupine, grouse, rabbits, ptarmigan, black bear and sheep but almost no moose hair or bones. The valley had become what is known as a "predator pit" where big game numbers will stay low for years. During one hard winter in this period the wolves left the valley and came into the outskirts of town and started killing dogs. About that time the state of Alaska started intensely managing the wolf population. In a week I am going back to the valley with my son and one of my old pals. After another 15 years of predator control the survey numbers look good. I will give you a follow up report. The bottom line is that wolves are predators that have to be managed. Done properly you can have game and predators but let the predator numbers get too high and the damage to game numbers will be drastic and take a long time to bring back. Also, even though your dog and these wolves had a common ancestor thousands of years ago they now have as much in common as an Angus bull and a Cape buffalo.
I like hunting, I have hunted since I was eligable. It was a great expierience to go on my first hunting trip with my dad, you know, bonding and all that stuff. I hunt elk and I eat the elk (which is saying more than most the wolves that hunt elk).
Wolves have seriously damaged the elk population in Montana (google the northern heard if you need to). Some people don't see that as a problem yet. I wouldn't want to see elk become endagered because of an unmanaged wolf problem. What comes next after they run out of elk to kill? Deer? The already low populated big horn sheep? More livestock and pets?
Wolves are the only animals other than humans that kill for pleasure... thing is they don't understand the meaning of moderation. They kill to kill and they are a huge threat against every other animal in their path.
To say it simply... there isn't a wolf out there that is worth more than someone's kids or pets. No one is gonna shoot your pet dog (cliche). That's like saying that someone who hunts elk is gonna start shooting moo cows.
There are even times when it crosses my mind that the anti-hunters are so protective of the wolves because they know that they can't stop hunting, but there poster child wolf is killing so many elk that it could eventually lead to the end of hunting in that way. Ironic huh?
All in all.... I would rather lose a couple dozen wolves than another 3600 head of elk.
I think, in general, the key is also to use what you kill, not necessarily to eat it. I mean, most folks throw out deer hides, but keep the meat. Wolves are the reverse.
In Laymen's terms... Wolves hold a vital key in regulation of the ecosystem. Without them, well, look at the effects on Yellowstone. Too many of them, the population of larger game species (elk) will diminish. Their numbers need to be regulated in order to maintain a healthy ecosystem. The process by which regulating these animals and almost all animals is called hunting.
I echo RobinHood's statements here.
I'm personally not much of a predator hunter (I've shot one bobcat and one coyote in 20 years of hunting). That being said, I think there is definitely a place in the world for predator hunting, for two main reasons...
1) A moderate amount of population control keeps the animals in question from becoming so prolific that they damage their own survival. If wolf populations were allowed to grow unchecked, they would re-claim their historic ranges to the point that the suburbanites would feel "threatened". This happened in the late 1800's in Tennessee, and just after the turn of the 20th century the last wolf in the state was killed. It's best to keep the numbers low enough that they stay in the truly wild places.
2) Hunters like plentiful game, and have grown accustomed to being the main balance in the ecosystem. The environment doesn't need us to control populations of herd animals - it just needs something to. Wolves are the hunter's second best competition in the field (second only to other hunters), and frankly...we're selfish. We could allow wolf populations to grow enough that eventually they could control elk to the point that we had to stop hunting them. Who wants that? Only the anti-hunters.
I know my reasons aren't iron-clad, but those are the ones that I personally believe are true and semi-valid. Some say that killing purely for sport is OK, but I lean away from that for the most part. That's just my personal decision.
Nothing to add, you gentlemen covered most all of it....the word wolf sure does kick up a debate these days....I feel bad for the wolf, he is just being a wolf, never knows how political his existence has become....
Not to mention that the Canadians have been hunting wolves for years and still can't keep the population under control.
Oh and my apologies to IdahoHunter- I didn't mean in any way to single him out as an instigator to this issue.
idahooutdoors has the gist of it.
It's a physical vs. ethical question to me. If livestock is being killed, I feel that those people have the right to stop it. Like Canadian geese, maybe they've been protected too long (We're up to our armpits in those here, wish they tasted good).
Would I like to randomly hunt down wolves? No. Would I help someone who is actually getting his animals eaten by wolves by culling a few? Yes. Maybe. Oh well, maybe it's a good thing that this part of North Carolina doesn't have those issues.
I am not a rancher, nor do i live in an area with Wolves. I eat what i kill, but if i saw my beloved deer herd (or elk) being decimated by wolves, along with widespread livestock predation as well as pets and even human conflict etc., you can bet your ass i'd take one out if i had a tag. And no i would not eat it, though i'm sure something would. Many good answers above. I do not believe they should exterminated, but managed.
Look junior, I dont care what kind of dog you got that wont persuade me one bit. Like they said if you dont understand now then you never will, a friend of mine who owns over 2000 acres and runs cattle year round has lost a ton of income and 2 of his best dogs because of wolves, by the way the dogs were killed 10 feet from his front porch, so if you think their is no problem bring your dog out here and go for a stroll in the hills and let me know how it works for you.
haha
Calm down Tom! lol
Good facts though...
Well stated Robinhood.
If your town had a high number of feral dogs would you want them controlled or left to run free?
Great answer libertyfrist A+
Regulation is the key. Just as here in Mo when we have to many deer the tags for them increase and vice verse. Wolves do not deserve a free pass.
This isn't a matter of sportsmanship or even hunting, this is a matter of MANAGEMENT. The wolf population has made more than a successful recovery and the wolf is a predator that is super efficient at what it does, it has no natural predator so the population will do nothing but grow. So it is up to us to take care of that...
Oh yeah, I love dogs more than most, but don't let a dog that looks like that loose around here...might get popped for a wolf or coyote.
Sheep farmers loses around 2000 animals a year to wolves.In the past, farmers were allowed to shoot wolves, estimated to be responsible for 2000 of the killing, only if they were caught in the act of stealing livestock. The farmers support the hunt and my uncle is one of them that own a sheep farms and he strongly hunt wolves to protect his investment.
manage them like other game animals. Not for the sake of farmers though.
I am all for eating what you kill. But when you are damage control hunting it is not nessesary to eat the animal you are killing. If I had to eat all the animals I killed I would be 300 pounds. Since June 10th I have killed 27 racoons, 2 skunks and 1 musk rat. The coons where raiding my barn and the horse farm accrose the road. The 2 skunks where just getting annoying spraying my yard up every night (one of them got the neighbors dog). The musk rat was digging up my friends pond, threatining to drain it. And I think those are pretty good reasons to take the animal out.
My apologies to MN_deer and others. I was out of line in my response. This should be a forum for education and the sharing of experiences.
Now lets say you and your dog are walking through the woods just looking around, then a pack of wolves jump on your dog and kills it!!!!! now what you have to say!!!!
MN_deer
If you don't understand why yet, most likley you will never understand why. You have to put yourself in the shoes of the ranchers and others who have lost animals to these SOBs!!!!!
Here in Texas we dont have wolves. The coyote problem here is bad on our cattle, sheep, goats, and deer. I live and work on a ranch and have seen what they do to livestock and can only imagine what a wolf can do to livestock and deer/elk populations.
Here we shoot or trap as many of them as we can. The annual livestock that are killed by preditors each year come to millions of dollars across the U.S. and there is no way of getting any money back from that. So the only way to protect our animals is by keeping there numbers down.
Then there's a rabies problem that comes with them and just a couple of infected animals can cause all kinds of hell within just a week or so by infecting other animals.
So I've got to say shoot, trap or what ever means you can to keep them away from livestock and our own pets. If you want to keep the pelts do it. If not dont.
They probably don't eat up your sugar beets, corn, dairy cows, and wheat fields and whatever else you grow up there. Maybe you could feed Al Franken and Jesse Ventura to them?
It is a form of population control plain and simple, the game department decided to have a limited hunting season verses spending tax payers dollars to have the wolves trapped and killed or poisoned. I would venture a guess that if you look at what the profit from the tags will be used for it is probably enviromental funding to make sure the wolves have the best chance for servival.Would you rather the game department wait for the wolf population to get so far out of control that they start attacking people or family pets, then you would be looking at wolves being killed on a large scale by poisoning and the use of sharp shooters by the game department.
idahohunter put it well on another post he said he had no intents on eating the wolf but he did on the populations of game the wolves were threatening
Wise management of our resources help to maintain a healthy balance in nature. This balance is usually very hard to attain in today's world with fragmented habitat and skewed land use patterns.
In Wyoming, We have a pretty good hand full of wolf attacks up north. But that's really not the real problem. Economical damage that it is doing here is where our worry lies. Here in Northern Wyoming, our economy relies greatly on tourism in the summer, skiers in the winter, and big game hunters in the fall. Many of us are part time and several our full time outfitters. We rely greatly on people from the east to come spend their thousands of dollars to hunt here. The hunters spend their money to the outfitters, they buy beer in our bars, they buy food at the store, they fly into our airports, and sleep in our motels. Between the Griz's and the wolves, the number of elk and moose calves that make it past calving season has decreased pretty dramatically. Im not for the guy that goes out to kill wolves just for the hell of it...I am, however, in favor of a wolf season. Im an avid hunter, and I eat what I kill, but im not opposed to trohpy hunting either.
I was able to return to the valley that I mentioned above for four days this September. I did not see a legal bull but did see six cows and each had a calf with her. I also saw one sub-legal bull. In that time I only found one wolf track that was fresh. After talking with the local ADF&G biologist he felt that I had gone in too early and the bulls were not starting to turn rutty yet. They stay down in the flats for the summer and bring cows with them as they move into higher country for the rut. He had surveyed that valley the year before in the first week of October and there were four legal bulls, three sub-legal bulls and twenty-seven cows and most had calves. I think that the predator controls are working. With careful management you can have it all!
how about killing coyotes that kill the neighbors and my cat's or my chickens .
so you really must be against trapping right ?
if you look on the internet it not all that hard to find actual news paper reports on all the damage and killing wolves do to livestock . as a matter of fact if you look back a few pages right here you can find a post by beekeeper giving you links to detailed records that the Russian government have kept on wolf attacks and killings through out history . they keep much better track off it than us apparently . oh if you dont like my answer to your question you better Damn Well go pi$$ up a rope .
rhetoric about them stealing calves and lambs: really?
rhetoric? go crawl in a hole and expire you pasty faced little twerp. Oh i eat all i kill! you sanctimonious little AH. where do you live; manhattan?
wolves out west have managed to devastate wildlife, lifestock, and good folks livelihoods. but you dont see that so you dont care. no body has to justify nuthin to the likes of you. drop dead.
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