released pheasants or game farm deer may not be considered given a sporting chance. However, this doesn't make you an unethical hunter. We hunt released birds often to keep the pointers sharp but my ethics are uncompromised. If you abide by the laws and are a safe hunter, those are the ethics of hunting. If you hunt with a recurve you are obviously giving the animal a more sporting chance than if you hunt with a high powered rifle!
Good point Vic. I'd like to add still-hunting and/or tracking are more sporting ways too hunt deer than sitting in a heated shooting house but neither is unethical if you do it legaly. I don't hunt from shooting houses, nor do i fault those who do, just using it as an example.
I've asked this question before because I love hearing the responses. Consider this; it is considered unsporting to shoot a duck off of the water by most, correct? However doesn't it seem more ethical to shoot a stationary animal off the water rather when it is flying by at 30-45 MPH? When it is moving there is more of a chance to make a maiming shot, where as when is stationary can't you take more time to deliver and instantly fatal shot more humanely and in turn induce less pain and suffering to it?
I've got no problem with hunting animals over feeders, bears from bait or taking long shots at game. I've shot many animals over 600 yards personally. However, I've always questioned whether ethics and sporting are the same thing. In my eyes they are not. But to each his own, and that is why I have asked this question.
If you are asking if birds(not turkeys of course) should be flying before shooting, yes. Deer and rabbits (without a dog) don't have to be running to be sporting. You caught 'em flatfooted, good for you.
Trapper Vic and Steve182 are absolutely correct. There are circumstances where something may not be entirely sporting, but which are never-the-less ethical. Another example would be fishing in overstocked "put and take" city park ponds that are stocked simply so people can watch their kids catch a few fish.
I guess one could be on a fair chase hunt, but do it unethically, for example, no license or filling another's tag, past shooting hours , but then it would be illegal and not fair chase. Probably splitting hairs. Most folks know the difference, some just go with the easier bad rather than the more difficult good.
I am not taking one type of hunting in particular, just in general. I have my own views and I understand and have trust that in other hunters that they will do the best they can to ensure a quick, humane kill. I don't expect everyones view to line up with mine, I use find it interesting what some insider ethical. For example, for me personally I would not hesitate to take a 900 yard shot on an elk if the conditions are permitting. I have spent extensive time and money in ensuring I can make an ethical, humane shot at this range. I took coyote this winter at 883 yards with one shot. I know many people particularly on this site are against such shot. However, I would not take a shot that I have doubt in. In other words, if I am setting my sights for a shot and there is any doubt that I will miss I will not take I shot. If I miss or make a bad shot (Thankfully I have not done) I want it to be a jaw dropping surprise.
Like many think long range hunting is unsporting, I don't find hunting over game feeders sporting. However, I do understand that it is an ethical means to humanely take game so I do not discriminate against it. My biggest concern is to minimize the pain and suffering of game animals.
I know many do not not share the views I do, but I feel everyone is entitled to their own views.
for BB25 I do not approve of your shot for I would get closer, but then again I do not know how good you are at the range and do not know how much you have practiced. And I want to thank you for making clean kills. I was with some of my friends on a pheasant hunt and some were not clean shots. luckily all of mine were clean easy kills. THANK YOU.
It seems that sportsmanship is relative concept and ethics is an absolute. There are different levels or degrees of sportsmanship in hunting, but only one rule for ethics, as in honesty.
Any given activity can be technically ethical but not very sportsmanlike. Another activity can be both sportsmanlike and ethical, or it can be neither. But it cannot be unethical and still be sportsmanlike.
JMO.
Taking a risky or poor shot on a fair-chase hunt is unethical to me because of the high possibility of unneccesary suffering on the part of the animal. Some may consider it very sporting to shoot a running deer otr take a headshot, but it may be less ethical. lotta grey areas and subjectivity. good question though.
"Ducks on the water" was the first thing that came to my mind when I read this, too. I don't think ethics and sporting-ness are the same thing, but there's a lot of overlap. And I think both are probably relative.
I think they are different but at the same time go together like peas in a pod. Is it sporting to drive around in your jeep with a mount on the roll bar for your 50 caliber, and then spot an elk at a 1000 yds and put your gun in its mount and take the shot? IMO that is not *sportsman like* However it may very cleanly be ethical. As one poster said earlier if you are confident in yourself and equipments abilities then it could be perfectly ethical to make the shot. (and if your state laws allow for it)
Part of the reason you don't shoot ducks on water has to do with the fact the projectiles have the tendency to "skip". That is keep traveling in the same direction with little effect on the velocity of it. Better to send them skyward and then let them fall with gravitational force.
In my opinion, the ethical and disciplined hunter/huntress gets the most out of the outdoor experience and the shooting sports afield. The ethical shooter (and what Jim Carmichael described as "the Moral Marksman") is also a better, safety-oriented shooting companion.
I feel that the ethical hunter and the sporting hunter go hand in hand but are not one in the same. I cannot afford to travel to the midwest to hunt ringnecks but every year some of my Hunter Ed instructors and I travel to Pa. and enjoy a day behind some very fine dogs hunting ringnecks on a ringneck hunting preserve. Some might not think it sporting but misses are proof that it is. It is highly ethical but alot of people don't think it sporting. I hunt entirely with firearms and I have a friend that hunts only with a bow. He thinks that I am not sporting but we both are ethical. The two terms are farther apart that we realize that they are. My health dosen't let me roam the mountains anymore deer hunting and I hunt from a elevated box blind. It is more than ethical, but there are alot of people on here that don't think this is sporting and even go as far as to say that this isn't hunting. Another example is in WV it is legal to hunt turkeys with a rifle. I hunt turkeys with my .22 Hornet. It is perfectly ethical but alot of people don't consider it sporting even though most of my shots are under 60 yards, I use my rifle because of calling up coyotes. There are alot of factors that determine what is sporting but only one as far as I am concerned as to what is ethical and that is the difference between right and wrong.
A man was trying to explain ethics to his young son. He said, "Your uncle and I are partners in a dry-cleaning business. A customer comes in with a suit to be cleaned, and I find a ten-dollar bill in one of the pockets. This gives me an ethical problem: do I tell your uncle about it?"
Sarge01, I disagree with your bowhunting friend considering your style of hunting arm unsporting.I think he's unethical for yammering on about it too. For that matter, I disagree with most people who enjoy telling fellow hunters what is hunting , or sporting or not. I would love to hunt deer down south with hounds someday. I would like to be part of a pheasant drive in the mid-west too. One of these days, I might get a chance to kill a turkey (in season of course) while squirrel hunting with my 20 gauge shotgun, though I've been whined at alot about that. Your reason for using a rifle for turkeys is a great one. On another note, one of my favorite hunting/shooting stories is about my aunts mother in 1930's PA, shooting any pheasant, rabbit, squirrel or woodchuck raiding her vegetable garden with her .22 rifle. This dearly-departed lady would've smoked a whitetail if it was dumb enough (none were) to mess with her beans and assorted veggies. The nearest Supermarket was still 30+ years away. When the Dad got a job, she cut the critters some (not much) slack.
I believe sporting now adays is more based on conservation. Ethical has a miriad of things come up do you shoot a what might be a world record buck if it is across the fence line? The answer is no. I will often shoot a doe in a herd before I shoot that young buck. I have shot a knub buck that i thought was a doe at 150 yrds, But the testicles gave him away so I sucked it up and tagged it as a buck. Doing the right thing while hunting is ethical and sproting at the same time. You cant really have one without the other
I have read everything and the thing that kinda got me thinking is people talking about distance shots, the possibility of not making the clean shot. We all started somewhere and with practice we have gotten better in time. That being said is it Ethical to allow kids to hunt? They dont have the patience or the knowledge of a seasoned hunter, and often times dont make that clean kill. I personally have started my daughter young with guns and will continue grooming her and training her to shoot and when i think she can make a shot under prerssure is when i will take her out in the woods. I think responsibility goes hand in hand with both the ethical debate and the sporting debate.
released pheasants or game farm deer may not be considered given a sporting chance. However, this doesn't make you an unethical hunter. We hunt released birds often to keep the pointers sharp but my ethics are uncompromised. If you abide by the laws and are a safe hunter, those are the ethics of hunting. If you hunt with a recurve you are obviously giving the animal a more sporting chance than if you hunt with a high powered rifle!
I guess one could be on a fair chase hunt, but do it unethically, for example, no license or filling another's tag, past shooting hours , but then it would be illegal and not fair chase. Probably splitting hairs. Most folks know the difference, some just go with the easier bad rather than the more difficult good.
I feel that the ethical hunter and the sporting hunter go hand in hand but are not one in the same. I cannot afford to travel to the midwest to hunt ringnecks but every year some of my Hunter Ed instructors and I travel to Pa. and enjoy a day behind some very fine dogs hunting ringnecks on a ringneck hunting preserve. Some might not think it sporting but misses are proof that it is. It is highly ethical but alot of people don't think it sporting. I hunt entirely with firearms and I have a friend that hunts only with a bow. He thinks that I am not sporting but we both are ethical. The two terms are farther apart that we realize that they are. My health dosen't let me roam the mountains anymore deer hunting and I hunt from a elevated box blind. It is more than ethical, but there are alot of people on here that don't think this is sporting and even go as far as to say that this isn't hunting. Another example is in WV it is legal to hunt turkeys with a rifle. I hunt turkeys with my .22 Hornet. It is perfectly ethical but alot of people don't consider it sporting even though most of my shots are under 60 yards, I use my rifle because of calling up coyotes. There are alot of factors that determine what is sporting but only one as far as I am concerned as to what is ethical and that is the difference between right and wrong.
Good point Vic. I'd like to add still-hunting and/or tracking are more sporting ways too hunt deer than sitting in a heated shooting house but neither is unethical if you do it legaly. I don't hunt from shooting houses, nor do i fault those who do, just using it as an example.
I've asked this question before because I love hearing the responses. Consider this; it is considered unsporting to shoot a duck off of the water by most, correct? However doesn't it seem more ethical to shoot a stationary animal off the water rather when it is flying by at 30-45 MPH? When it is moving there is more of a chance to make a maiming shot, where as when is stationary can't you take more time to deliver and instantly fatal shot more humanely and in turn induce less pain and suffering to it?
I've got no problem with hunting animals over feeders, bears from bait or taking long shots at game. I've shot many animals over 600 yards personally. However, I've always questioned whether ethics and sporting are the same thing. In my eyes they are not. But to each his own, and that is why I have asked this question.
Trapper Vic and Steve182 are absolutely correct. There are circumstances where something may not be entirely sporting, but which are never-the-less ethical. Another example would be fishing in overstocked "put and take" city park ponds that are stocked simply so people can watch their kids catch a few fish.
It seems that sportsmanship is relative concept and ethics is an absolute. There are different levels or degrees of sportsmanship in hunting, but only one rule for ethics, as in honesty.
Any given activity can be technically ethical but not very sportsmanlike. Another activity can be both sportsmanlike and ethical, or it can be neither. But it cannot be unethical and still be sportsmanlike.
JMO.
Taking a risky or poor shot on a fair-chase hunt is unethical to me because of the high possibility of unneccesary suffering on the part of the animal. Some may consider it very sporting to shoot a running deer otr take a headshot, but it may be less ethical. lotta grey areas and subjectivity. good question though.
"Ducks on the water" was the first thing that came to my mind when I read this, too. I don't think ethics and sporting-ness are the same thing, but there's a lot of overlap. And I think both are probably relative.
In my opinion, the ethical and disciplined hunter/huntress gets the most out of the outdoor experience and the shooting sports afield. The ethical shooter (and what Jim Carmichael described as "the Moral Marksman") is also a better, safety-oriented shooting companion.
I am not taking one type of hunting in particular, just in general. I have my own views and I understand and have trust that in other hunters that they will do the best they can to ensure a quick, humane kill. I don't expect everyones view to line up with mine, I use find it interesting what some insider ethical. For example, for me personally I would not hesitate to take a 900 yard shot on an elk if the conditions are permitting. I have spent extensive time and money in ensuring I can make an ethical, humane shot at this range. I took coyote this winter at 883 yards with one shot. I know many people particularly on this site are against such shot. However, I would not take a shot that I have doubt in. In other words, if I am setting my sights for a shot and there is any doubt that I will miss I will not take I shot. If I miss or make a bad shot (Thankfully I have not done) I want it to be a jaw dropping surprise.
Like many think long range hunting is unsporting, I don't find hunting over game feeders sporting. However, I do understand that it is an ethical means to humanely take game so I do not discriminate against it. My biggest concern is to minimize the pain and suffering of game animals.
I know many do not not share the views I do, but I feel everyone is entitled to their own views.
for BB25 I do not approve of your shot for I would get closer, but then again I do not know how good you are at the range and do not know how much you have practiced. And I want to thank you for making clean kills. I was with some of my friends on a pheasant hunt and some were not clean shots. luckily all of mine were clean easy kills. THANK YOU.
I think they are different but at the same time go together like peas in a pod. Is it sporting to drive around in your jeep with a mount on the roll bar for your 50 caliber, and then spot an elk at a 1000 yds and put your gun in its mount and take the shot? IMO that is not *sportsman like* However it may very cleanly be ethical. As one poster said earlier if you are confident in yourself and equipments abilities then it could be perfectly ethical to make the shot. (and if your state laws allow for it)
Part of the reason you don't shoot ducks on water has to do with the fact the projectiles have the tendency to "skip". That is keep traveling in the same direction with little effect on the velocity of it. Better to send them skyward and then let them fall with gravitational force.
A man was trying to explain ethics to his young son. He said, "Your uncle and I are partners in a dry-cleaning business. A customer comes in with a suit to be cleaned, and I find a ten-dollar bill in one of the pockets. This gives me an ethical problem: do I tell your uncle about it?"
Sarge01, I disagree with your bowhunting friend considering your style of hunting arm unsporting.I think he's unethical for yammering on about it too. For that matter, I disagree with most people who enjoy telling fellow hunters what is hunting , or sporting or not. I would love to hunt deer down south with hounds someday. I would like to be part of a pheasant drive in the mid-west too. One of these days, I might get a chance to kill a turkey (in season of course) while squirrel hunting with my 20 gauge shotgun, though I've been whined at alot about that. Your reason for using a rifle for turkeys is a great one. On another note, one of my favorite hunting/shooting stories is about my aunts mother in 1930's PA, shooting any pheasant, rabbit, squirrel or woodchuck raiding her vegetable garden with her .22 rifle. This dearly-departed lady would've smoked a whitetail if it was dumb enough (none were) to mess with her beans and assorted veggies. The nearest Supermarket was still 30+ years away. When the Dad got a job, she cut the critters some (not much) slack.
I believe sporting now adays is more based on conservation. Ethical has a miriad of things come up do you shoot a what might be a world record buck if it is across the fence line? The answer is no. I will often shoot a doe in a herd before I shoot that young buck. I have shot a knub buck that i thought was a doe at 150 yrds, But the testicles gave him away so I sucked it up and tagged it as a buck. Doing the right thing while hunting is ethical and sproting at the same time. You cant really have one without the other
I have read everything and the thing that kinda got me thinking is people talking about distance shots, the possibility of not making the clean shot. We all started somewhere and with practice we have gotten better in time. That being said is it Ethical to allow kids to hunt? They dont have the patience or the knowledge of a seasoned hunter, and often times dont make that clean kill. I personally have started my daughter young with guns and will continue grooming her and training her to shoot and when i think she can make a shot under prerssure is when i will take her out in the woods. I think responsibility goes hand in hand with both the ethical debate and the sporting debate.
If you are asking if birds(not turkeys of course) should be flying before shooting, yes. Deer and rabbits (without a dog) don't have to be running to be sporting. You caught 'em flatfooted, good for you.
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NO, Ethics and Fair chase (sporting chance) go hand in hand.
I agree with Beekepper, Fair chase is part of being an ethical hunter. You either are or aren't.
released pheasants or game farm deer may not be considered given a sporting chance. However, this doesn't make you an unethical hunter. We hunt released birds often to keep the pointers sharp but my ethics are uncompromised. If you abide by the laws and are a safe hunter, those are the ethics of hunting. If you hunt with a recurve you are obviously giving the animal a more sporting chance than if you hunt with a high powered rifle!
Good point Vic. I'd like to add still-hunting and/or tracking are more sporting ways too hunt deer than sitting in a heated shooting house but neither is unethical if you do it legaly. I don't hunt from shooting houses, nor do i fault those who do, just using it as an example.
I've asked this question before because I love hearing the responses. Consider this; it is considered unsporting to shoot a duck off of the water by most, correct? However doesn't it seem more ethical to shoot a stationary animal off the water rather when it is flying by at 30-45 MPH? When it is moving there is more of a chance to make a maiming shot, where as when is stationary can't you take more time to deliver and instantly fatal shot more humanely and in turn induce less pain and suffering to it?
I've got no problem with hunting animals over feeders, bears from bait or taking long shots at game. I've shot many animals over 600 yards personally. However, I've always questioned whether ethics and sporting are the same thing. In my eyes they are not. But to each his own, and that is why I have asked this question.
If you are asking if birds(not turkeys of course) should be flying before shooting, yes. Deer and rabbits (without a dog) don't have to be running to be sporting. You caught 'em flatfooted, good for you.
Trapper Vic and Steve182 are absolutely correct. There are circumstances where something may not be entirely sporting, but which are never-the-less ethical. Another example would be fishing in overstocked "put and take" city park ponds that are stocked simply so people can watch their kids catch a few fish.
I guess one could be on a fair chase hunt, but do it unethically, for example, no license or filling another's tag, past shooting hours , but then it would be illegal and not fair chase. Probably splitting hairs. Most folks know the difference, some just go with the easier bad rather than the more difficult good.
ITHACASXS,
I am not taking one type of hunting in particular, just in general. I have my own views and I understand and have trust that in other hunters that they will do the best they can to ensure a quick, humane kill. I don't expect everyones view to line up with mine, I use find it interesting what some insider ethical. For example, for me personally I would not hesitate to take a 900 yard shot on an elk if the conditions are permitting. I have spent extensive time and money in ensuring I can make an ethical, humane shot at this range. I took coyote this winter at 883 yards with one shot. I know many people particularly on this site are against such shot. However, I would not take a shot that I have doubt in. In other words, if I am setting my sights for a shot and there is any doubt that I will miss I will not take I shot. If I miss or make a bad shot (Thankfully I have not done) I want it to be a jaw dropping surprise.
Like many think long range hunting is unsporting, I don't find hunting over game feeders sporting. However, I do understand that it is an ethical means to humanely take game so I do not discriminate against it. My biggest concern is to minimize the pain and suffering of game animals.
I know many do not not share the views I do, but I feel everyone is entitled to their own views.
Best regards,
BB25
I believe that these two very important items go together. They are equal.
for BB25 I do not approve of your shot for I would get closer, but then again I do not know how good you are at the range and do not know how much you have practiced. And I want to thank you for making clean kills. I was with some of my friends on a pheasant hunt and some were not clean shots. luckily all of mine were clean easy kills. THANK YOU.
It seems that sportsmanship is relative concept and ethics is an absolute. There are different levels or degrees of sportsmanship in hunting, but only one rule for ethics, as in honesty.
Any given activity can be technically ethical but not very sportsmanlike. Another activity can be both sportsmanlike and ethical, or it can be neither. But it cannot be unethical and still be sportsmanlike.
JMO.
Taking a risky or poor shot on a fair-chase hunt is unethical to me because of the high possibility of unneccesary suffering on the part of the animal. Some may consider it very sporting to shoot a running deer otr take a headshot, but it may be less ethical. lotta grey areas and subjectivity. good question though.
"Ducks on the water" was the first thing that came to my mind when I read this, too. I don't think ethics and sporting-ness are the same thing, but there's a lot of overlap. And I think both are probably relative.
I think they are different but at the same time go together like peas in a pod. Is it sporting to drive around in your jeep with a mount on the roll bar for your 50 caliber, and then spot an elk at a 1000 yds and put your gun in its mount and take the shot? IMO that is not *sportsman like* However it may very cleanly be ethical. As one poster said earlier if you are confident in yourself and equipments abilities then it could be perfectly ethical to make the shot. (and if your state laws allow for it)
Part of the reason you don't shoot ducks on water has to do with the fact the projectiles have the tendency to "skip". That is keep traveling in the same direction with little effect on the velocity of it. Better to send them skyward and then let them fall with gravitational force.
In my opinion, the ethical and disciplined hunter/huntress gets the most out of the outdoor experience and the shooting sports afield. The ethical shooter (and what Jim Carmichael described as "the Moral Marksman") is also a better, safety-oriented shooting companion.
I feel that the ethical hunter and the sporting hunter go hand in hand but are not one in the same. I cannot afford to travel to the midwest to hunt ringnecks but every year some of my Hunter Ed instructors and I travel to Pa. and enjoy a day behind some very fine dogs hunting ringnecks on a ringneck hunting preserve. Some might not think it sporting but misses are proof that it is. It is highly ethical but alot of people don't think it sporting. I hunt entirely with firearms and I have a friend that hunts only with a bow. He thinks that I am not sporting but we both are ethical. The two terms are farther apart that we realize that they are. My health dosen't let me roam the mountains anymore deer hunting and I hunt from a elevated box blind. It is more than ethical, but there are alot of people on here that don't think this is sporting and even go as far as to say that this isn't hunting. Another example is in WV it is legal to hunt turkeys with a rifle. I hunt turkeys with my .22 Hornet. It is perfectly ethical but alot of people don't consider it sporting even though most of my shots are under 60 yards, I use my rifle because of calling up coyotes. There are alot of factors that determine what is sporting but only one as far as I am concerned as to what is ethical and that is the difference between right and wrong.
A man was trying to explain ethics to his young son. He said, "Your uncle and I are partners in a dry-cleaning business. A customer comes in with a suit to be cleaned, and I find a ten-dollar bill in one of the pockets. This gives me an ethical problem: do I tell your uncle about it?"
Sarge01, I disagree with your bowhunting friend considering your style of hunting arm unsporting.I think he's unethical for yammering on about it too. For that matter, I disagree with most people who enjoy telling fellow hunters what is hunting , or sporting or not. I would love to hunt deer down south with hounds someday. I would like to be part of a pheasant drive in the mid-west too. One of these days, I might get a chance to kill a turkey (in season of course) while squirrel hunting with my 20 gauge shotgun, though I've been whined at alot about that. Your reason for using a rifle for turkeys is a great one. On another note, one of my favorite hunting/shooting stories is about my aunts mother in 1930's PA, shooting any pheasant, rabbit, squirrel or woodchuck raiding her vegetable garden with her .22 rifle. This dearly-departed lady would've smoked a whitetail if it was dumb enough (none were) to mess with her beans and assorted veggies. The nearest Supermarket was still 30+ years away. When the Dad got a job, she cut the critters some (not much) slack.
I believe sporting now adays is more based on conservation. Ethical has a miriad of things come up do you shoot a what might be a world record buck if it is across the fence line? The answer is no. I will often shoot a doe in a herd before I shoot that young buck. I have shot a knub buck that i thought was a doe at 150 yrds, But the testicles gave him away so I sucked it up and tagged it as a buck. Doing the right thing while hunting is ethical and sproting at the same time. You cant really have one without the other
I have read everything and the thing that kinda got me thinking is people talking about distance shots, the possibility of not making the clean shot. We all started somewhere and with practice we have gotten better in time. That being said is it Ethical to allow kids to hunt? They dont have the patience or the knowledge of a seasoned hunter, and often times dont make that clean kill. I personally have started my daughter young with guns and will continue grooming her and training her to shoot and when i think she can make a shot under prerssure is when i will take her out in the woods. I think responsibility goes hand in hand with both the ethical debate and the sporting debate.
IMHO, they're attached at the hip!
They are one in the same. Just diferent letters!
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released pheasants or game farm deer may not be considered given a sporting chance. However, this doesn't make you an unethical hunter. We hunt released birds often to keep the pointers sharp but my ethics are uncompromised. If you abide by the laws and are a safe hunter, those are the ethics of hunting. If you hunt with a recurve you are obviously giving the animal a more sporting chance than if you hunt with a high powered rifle!
NO, Ethics and Fair chase (sporting chance) go hand in hand.
I guess one could be on a fair chase hunt, but do it unethically, for example, no license or filling another's tag, past shooting hours , but then it would be illegal and not fair chase. Probably splitting hairs. Most folks know the difference, some just go with the easier bad rather than the more difficult good.
I feel that the ethical hunter and the sporting hunter go hand in hand but are not one in the same. I cannot afford to travel to the midwest to hunt ringnecks but every year some of my Hunter Ed instructors and I travel to Pa. and enjoy a day behind some very fine dogs hunting ringnecks on a ringneck hunting preserve. Some might not think it sporting but misses are proof that it is. It is highly ethical but alot of people don't think it sporting. I hunt entirely with firearms and I have a friend that hunts only with a bow. He thinks that I am not sporting but we both are ethical. The two terms are farther apart that we realize that they are. My health dosen't let me roam the mountains anymore deer hunting and I hunt from a elevated box blind. It is more than ethical, but there are alot of people on here that don't think this is sporting and even go as far as to say that this isn't hunting. Another example is in WV it is legal to hunt turkeys with a rifle. I hunt turkeys with my .22 Hornet. It is perfectly ethical but alot of people don't consider it sporting even though most of my shots are under 60 yards, I use my rifle because of calling up coyotes. There are alot of factors that determine what is sporting but only one as far as I am concerned as to what is ethical and that is the difference between right and wrong.
I agree with Beekepper, Fair chase is part of being an ethical hunter. You either are or aren't.
Good point Vic. I'd like to add still-hunting and/or tracking are more sporting ways too hunt deer than sitting in a heated shooting house but neither is unethical if you do it legaly. I don't hunt from shooting houses, nor do i fault those who do, just using it as an example.
I've asked this question before because I love hearing the responses. Consider this; it is considered unsporting to shoot a duck off of the water by most, correct? However doesn't it seem more ethical to shoot a stationary animal off the water rather when it is flying by at 30-45 MPH? When it is moving there is more of a chance to make a maiming shot, where as when is stationary can't you take more time to deliver and instantly fatal shot more humanely and in turn induce less pain and suffering to it?
I've got no problem with hunting animals over feeders, bears from bait or taking long shots at game. I've shot many animals over 600 yards personally. However, I've always questioned whether ethics and sporting are the same thing. In my eyes they are not. But to each his own, and that is why I have asked this question.
Trapper Vic and Steve182 are absolutely correct. There are circumstances where something may not be entirely sporting, but which are never-the-less ethical. Another example would be fishing in overstocked "put and take" city park ponds that are stocked simply so people can watch their kids catch a few fish.
It seems that sportsmanship is relative concept and ethics is an absolute. There are different levels or degrees of sportsmanship in hunting, but only one rule for ethics, as in honesty.
Any given activity can be technically ethical but not very sportsmanlike. Another activity can be both sportsmanlike and ethical, or it can be neither. But it cannot be unethical and still be sportsmanlike.
JMO.
Taking a risky or poor shot on a fair-chase hunt is unethical to me because of the high possibility of unneccesary suffering on the part of the animal. Some may consider it very sporting to shoot a running deer otr take a headshot, but it may be less ethical. lotta grey areas and subjectivity. good question though.
"Ducks on the water" was the first thing that came to my mind when I read this, too. I don't think ethics and sporting-ness are the same thing, but there's a lot of overlap. And I think both are probably relative.
In my opinion, the ethical and disciplined hunter/huntress gets the most out of the outdoor experience and the shooting sports afield. The ethical shooter (and what Jim Carmichael described as "the Moral Marksman") is also a better, safety-oriented shooting companion.
ITHACASXS,
I am not taking one type of hunting in particular, just in general. I have my own views and I understand and have trust that in other hunters that they will do the best they can to ensure a quick, humane kill. I don't expect everyones view to line up with mine, I use find it interesting what some insider ethical. For example, for me personally I would not hesitate to take a 900 yard shot on an elk if the conditions are permitting. I have spent extensive time and money in ensuring I can make an ethical, humane shot at this range. I took coyote this winter at 883 yards with one shot. I know many people particularly on this site are against such shot. However, I would not take a shot that I have doubt in. In other words, if I am setting my sights for a shot and there is any doubt that I will miss I will not take I shot. If I miss or make a bad shot (Thankfully I have not done) I want it to be a jaw dropping surprise.
Like many think long range hunting is unsporting, I don't find hunting over game feeders sporting. However, I do understand that it is an ethical means to humanely take game so I do not discriminate against it. My biggest concern is to minimize the pain and suffering of game animals.
I know many do not not share the views I do, but I feel everyone is entitled to their own views.
Best regards,
BB25
for BB25 I do not approve of your shot for I would get closer, but then again I do not know how good you are at the range and do not know how much you have practiced. And I want to thank you for making clean kills. I was with some of my friends on a pheasant hunt and some were not clean shots. luckily all of mine were clean easy kills. THANK YOU.
I think they are different but at the same time go together like peas in a pod. Is it sporting to drive around in your jeep with a mount on the roll bar for your 50 caliber, and then spot an elk at a 1000 yds and put your gun in its mount and take the shot? IMO that is not *sportsman like* However it may very cleanly be ethical. As one poster said earlier if you are confident in yourself and equipments abilities then it could be perfectly ethical to make the shot. (and if your state laws allow for it)
Part of the reason you don't shoot ducks on water has to do with the fact the projectiles have the tendency to "skip". That is keep traveling in the same direction with little effect on the velocity of it. Better to send them skyward and then let them fall with gravitational force.
A man was trying to explain ethics to his young son. He said, "Your uncle and I are partners in a dry-cleaning business. A customer comes in with a suit to be cleaned, and I find a ten-dollar bill in one of the pockets. This gives me an ethical problem: do I tell your uncle about it?"
Sarge01, I disagree with your bowhunting friend considering your style of hunting arm unsporting.I think he's unethical for yammering on about it too. For that matter, I disagree with most people who enjoy telling fellow hunters what is hunting , or sporting or not. I would love to hunt deer down south with hounds someday. I would like to be part of a pheasant drive in the mid-west too. One of these days, I might get a chance to kill a turkey (in season of course) while squirrel hunting with my 20 gauge shotgun, though I've been whined at alot about that. Your reason for using a rifle for turkeys is a great one. On another note, one of my favorite hunting/shooting stories is about my aunts mother in 1930's PA, shooting any pheasant, rabbit, squirrel or woodchuck raiding her vegetable garden with her .22 rifle. This dearly-departed lady would've smoked a whitetail if it was dumb enough (none were) to mess with her beans and assorted veggies. The nearest Supermarket was still 30+ years away. When the Dad got a job, she cut the critters some (not much) slack.
I believe sporting now adays is more based on conservation. Ethical has a miriad of things come up do you shoot a what might be a world record buck if it is across the fence line? The answer is no. I will often shoot a doe in a herd before I shoot that young buck. I have shot a knub buck that i thought was a doe at 150 yrds, But the testicles gave him away so I sucked it up and tagged it as a buck. Doing the right thing while hunting is ethical and sproting at the same time. You cant really have one without the other
I have read everything and the thing that kinda got me thinking is people talking about distance shots, the possibility of not making the clean shot. We all started somewhere and with practice we have gotten better in time. That being said is it Ethical to allow kids to hunt? They dont have the patience or the knowledge of a seasoned hunter, and often times dont make that clean kill. I personally have started my daughter young with guns and will continue grooming her and training her to shoot and when i think she can make a shot under prerssure is when i will take her out in the woods. I think responsibility goes hand in hand with both the ethical debate and the sporting debate.
If you are asking if birds(not turkeys of course) should be flying before shooting, yes. Deer and rabbits (without a dog) don't have to be running to be sporting. You caught 'em flatfooted, good for you.
I believe that these two very important items go together. They are equal.
IMHO, they're attached at the hip!
They are one in the same. Just diferent letters!
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