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anyone use federal vital shot partitions in your 30-30 deer or bear hunting? neighbor guy gave me a box, told him im going bear hunting this fall.
Question by upnorthmn. Uploaded on April 04, 2011
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Answers (11)
do they make them in flat nose for tubular magizines?
I have never seen anything other than a round nose or flat nose bullet suitable for tubular magazines loaded in any factory load for a .30-30. The Nosler Partition RN in the Federal Vital Shok loads are for .30-30 Win.
I checked my references and Federal makes 30-30 loads in 150gn Fusion, 150gnPower Shok, 150 gn BarnesTSX, 170gn Fusion, 170gn Power Shok, and 170 gn Vital-Shok Nosler Partition. Looks like your ammo is okay. I wasn't aware that all of those rounds were okay to shoot in a tubuler mag, and I'm still not convinced about some of them especially the TSX , I can go along with the rest but not them. This is according to the new Midway Master catalog.
You better not fall asleep waiting on that bear to get close enough for a kill shot. Yes, the 30/30 has taken its fair share of deer and black bear. But you had better be in a tree with a back up unless you are shooting cubs. Bear are not deer and they will attack when wounded or provoked. I'd seriously think about another rifle or carry a .44mag as a back up.
thanks wam and Sarge01 for your time in checking in on that. deerhunterrick, my bait pile will be only 25-30 yards from the stand, and im more confident carrying the 30/30 than the 06, and very good shot with it, at this range my bullet will have plenty of punch for the job.
If the .30-30 doesn't work (it will at reasonable ranges on all but the biggest black bears), what the heck is the .44 pea shooter gonna do for him?
Some people watch too many movies. The .44 Magnum is not nearly as powerful as most people think. I had a guy argue for hours with me that a .44 Mag is more powerful than most rifles. The .30-30 whips it in all categories.
I am not comfortable with anything less than a .30-06 if there are known bears in the area. I want the biggest main rifle I can get.
And the pistol would be more of a last-ditch emergency thing. Like quoted above, it's only for a rifle jam, or you've run out of rounds. I take a .45 LC for that.
Jeff4066
Amen. I also let the type of toothy critters with claws that are around dictate my choice of rifle. Not worried about Bambi or Boo-Boo. It's the big bear with a B.A. attitude that I want to be prepared for. I leave the bears alone as long as they do the same anyway, but I have no problem with others hunting them. My son is an avid bear hunter, as well. I tell him to call me if he needs help getting one out! LOL!
There have probably been more bears killed here in WV with a 30-30 than any other rifle. Most have been treed with dogs and killed or guys have been on crossings where the bears have been close. Most of the dog hunters here carry a pistol, either 44mag. or 454 Casull or a short rifle like the 30-30. When using a pistol bullets need to be hard for penetration. I would say that over the last 50 years that 40 or 50 bears have been killed in our area with a 30-30. Either our black bears aren't as hard to kill or our hunters are better shots. Most of our black bears weigh between 140 and 400 pounds.
i dont own a pistol of any type.
Upnorthmn, you're going to want to keep a back-up pistol with you when you go bear hunting. This is your back-up in-case your rifle jams or you become unable to use that specific firearm. A .44 is a decent back-up pistol, but every hunter will have their own opinion in this field.
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There have probably been more bears killed here in WV with a 30-30 than any other rifle. Most have been treed with dogs and killed or guys have been on crossings where the bears have been close. Most of the dog hunters here carry a pistol, either 44mag. or 454 Casull or a short rifle like the 30-30. When using a pistol bullets need to be hard for penetration. I would say that over the last 50 years that 40 or 50 bears have been killed in our area with a 30-30. Either our black bears aren't as hard to kill or our hunters are better shots. Most of our black bears weigh between 140 and 400 pounds.
You better not fall asleep waiting on that bear to get close enough for a kill shot. Yes, the 30/30 has taken its fair share of deer and black bear. But you had better be in a tree with a back up unless you are shooting cubs. Bear are not deer and they will attack when wounded or provoked. I'd seriously think about another rifle or carry a .44mag as a back up.
thanks wam and Sarge01 for your time in checking in on that. deerhunterrick, my bait pile will be only 25-30 yards from the stand, and im more confident carrying the 30/30 than the 06, and very good shot with it, at this range my bullet will have plenty of punch for the job.
do they make them in flat nose for tubular magizines?
I have never seen anything other than a round nose or flat nose bullet suitable for tubular magazines loaded in any factory load for a .30-30. The Nosler Partition RN in the Federal Vital Shok loads are for .30-30 Win.
I checked my references and Federal makes 30-30 loads in 150gn Fusion, 150gnPower Shok, 150 gn BarnesTSX, 170gn Fusion, 170gn Power Shok, and 170 gn Vital-Shok Nosler Partition. Looks like your ammo is okay. I wasn't aware that all of those rounds were okay to shoot in a tubuler mag, and I'm still not convinced about some of them especially the TSX , I can go along with the rest but not them. This is according to the new Midway Master catalog.
If the .30-30 doesn't work (it will at reasonable ranges on all but the biggest black bears), what the heck is the .44 pea shooter gonna do for him?
Some people watch too many movies. The .44 Magnum is not nearly as powerful as most people think. I had a guy argue for hours with me that a .44 Mag is more powerful than most rifles. The .30-30 whips it in all categories.
I am not comfortable with anything less than a .30-06 if there are known bears in the area. I want the biggest main rifle I can get.
And the pistol would be more of a last-ditch emergency thing. Like quoted above, it's only for a rifle jam, or you've run out of rounds. I take a .45 LC for that.
Jeff4066
Amen. I also let the type of toothy critters with claws that are around dictate my choice of rifle. Not worried about Bambi or Boo-Boo. It's the big bear with a B.A. attitude that I want to be prepared for. I leave the bears alone as long as they do the same anyway, but I have no problem with others hunting them. My son is an avid bear hunter, as well. I tell him to call me if he needs help getting one out! LOL!
i dont own a pistol of any type.
Upnorthmn, you're going to want to keep a back-up pistol with you when you go bear hunting. This is your back-up in-case your rifle jams or you become unable to use that specific firearm. A .44 is a decent back-up pistol, but every hunter will have their own opinion in this field.
Post an Answer