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I’ll be on my first elk hunt the opening week of rifle season between 5000-6000 feet for non-migrating elk. If there is snow, do you think it is worthwhile tracking what appears to be a relatively fresh bull track? Or do you think that is a lost cause?

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 5 weeks 5 days ago

That was always my PREFERRED method of hunting elk. They are a sociable animal and will often wait and see what is coming even if they can hear you. If you look in my profile album you'll see a HUGE 6x6 bull in the back of my old stock truck. That thing threw a track the size of a spike bull and not back on his dew claws a bit. Strangest thing I ever ran across. He might have been pushing a thousand pounds on the hoof. Biggest elk I've yet seen. So don't try to read antlers in the tracks. If you get on a fresh track, stick with it even if you don't think it's a bull. Remember, I said they are a social animal. As often as not one track will take you to more elk and more elk equals greater probability of one of them having a rack on its head.

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from jay wrote 5 weeks 5 days ago

I know guys that track them just like OHH; however, they are all in very, very good shape.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 5 weeks 5 days ago

I used to track all day the entire season until I got my elk or ran out of season. It is hard to say what is the best way to go. Elk will cover a dozen miles or so from bed to feed to water daily. When I had ample cartilage in my knees, tracking was my number one tactic.. Elk will traverse some nasty terrain like nobody's business in a hurry. Tough on boots, hide, and rifles. If you can pattern elk movements, sometimes it works out to sit and watch if you know the area and where the elk move. At times you might tromp about all week and never get a whiff of elk. Anymore I usually walk in to a stand area and sit most of he day. Sometimes watching an area that has ample elk sign that goes both ways will pay off. Go to Colorado Parks & Wildlife website and browse the Elk University 101 pages. Get one of Laubach and Hinckle's elk hunting books. Great info there.

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from DakotaMan wrote 5 weeks 5 days ago

Thanks guys! Sounds like it is worth doing but I will have to pace myself. I'd like nothing more than tracking an elk all day. However, with two titanium knees I might be better off to do like WAM suggested. I know I can track 10-15 miles a day on relatively flat land but suspect that elk will show me things I never imagined. I might try it one day and see how it goes. Ontario, those are some massive bulls... you guys inspire me. Thanks for the reading advice WAM... I'll get those and book up. I really appreciate hearing from you guys... so far what I've read is quite contradictory... blow call, don't blow call; track elk, don't track elk. I just have to understand more about where and when each technique works. I'll be hunting the first week of the rifle season so hope I find a dumb one before the weather turns nasty.

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from Montana wrote 5 weeks 5 days ago

I jump on every hot elk track I come across during elk season. Of course we hunt in a large party with plenty of the older guys sitting in meadows so the odds are good that I can at least push the animal towards one of them. The only other piece of advice I can give you is to get a cow call, even though Montana's rifle season falls after the rut, it is still possible to call bulls in. My brother called my 6x5 and 3 spikes out of the timber and down to us, a distance of well over a mile. Any other questions just ask.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 5 weeks 5 days ago

To call or not to call is always a dilemma. Sometimes bulls bugle on into the October rifle season, but don't expect bulls to come running in. A cow call is indispensable in stopping a bull or mule deer. I keep two around my neck on all elk hunts.

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from mike0714 wrote 5 weeks 5 days ago

If it is a rut hunt call but if it isn't then where you are hunting matters in my opinion. If it is more open country I climb to the best lookout point and glass until I find a bull I can chase or my pants ware through. (another reason a mulie tag may be a good idea if the elk are not moving deer are the next best option) If it is thick country I try to find where elk are moving through on a regular basis, still hunt, sit water or track. I have seen people follow a bull in new snow for more than a mile just to find a broken up 2/3 on a "trophy" hunt because they where not willing to glass more. Also elk are more visual and sent oriented than sound because they regularly move in groups that make lots of noise. So a decoy may help even if you are not calling. I used a montana cow decoy last summer to walk straight in on a group of feeding elk to take pictures within 25 yards. By staying down wind and skirting the elk slowly angling closer you can cut the distance or move through open cover.

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from Gary Devine wrote 5 weeks 4 days ago

Tracking elk or deer in a fresh snow is awesome.
A crusty snow could make it difficult and easy for big game to hear you.
Months before I go out west I walk at least four miles a day. I also walk up and down steps at the high school football field bleachers to build up my legs. Those Rocky Mountains and that thin air is a killer is you’re a flatlander from the east coast.
Good Luck!

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 5 weeks 4 days ago

Another piece of advice on tracking: avoid tracking downhill or be extremely slow and cautious if you do. Though they are sociable and will often stand and look at what's coming (sometimes I knew they could smell me), they WILL NOT hang around if they hear something coming down from above them. I tracked hundreds of elk (at least hundreds) and I do not recall ever having any of them but one small bunch that didn't just flat book off if they heard me above them. And that bunch didn't hear me I'm pretty sure (I got the drop on them totally and nailed a spike). I believe this is because cougars attack from above - or else they really don't have much of a chance catching an elk in that kind of country.

Dakota, I don't know how those knee replacements went but I suspect you should be cautious. Don't go messing yourself up trying to do something that's not in your reach. It is what it is. You'll get something even if it isn't a big bull. Hell, I shot a lot of forked horn muleys and does when elk hunting and many times even settled for a day pack full of blue grouse. Which reminds me, get your bird license and put a .22 pistol revolver loaded with longs in your pack (not on your hip!). Don't worry too much about the noise. I once shot four big blues, loaded them into the pack, walked around the corner and made a very long shot on a spike (that I subsequently wished I had missed!). And don't take more than three of those big birds unless you have some pretty good shoulder straps on your day pack! Gees, I wish I was going with you. Oh, and don't bother shooting the fool hens (spruce grouse). They taste like turpentine.

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from Pray- hunt-work wrote 5 weeks 4 days ago

OH- I wish I was going with you both, reading your advice painted a picture that I wish to live someday. Thank you for that!!

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from Montana wrote 5 weeks 4 days ago

Another piece of advice, I have hunted the Montana elk opener when its been 80 degrees and I have hunted the opener and had it be -15 degrees, bring a wide selection of clothing. A few pairs of good walking boots that are well broke in are a must as well. Take your time, drink plenty of water, and most importantly enjoy yourself. I work the whole year to enjoy a week or two of elk camp on the mountain.

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from DakotaMan wrote 5 weeks 4 days ago

You guys are giving me an adrenalin rush four months before the season! I really appreciate the advice from you all. I'll work hard at getting in shape and hope to at least try tracking one if I get a chance. If the knees don't hold up, it won't be because I didn't try. I hunt South Dakota in those same time frames and am familiar with sunburn, drizzle and snow all happening on the same day. I suspect it will be even more pronounced in the beautiful Rockies but to me that is part of the excitement.

I wish you guys were coming with me too. You all sound like you would make any hunt a good one, elk or no elk!

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from DakotaMan wrote 5 weeks 4 days ago

OH, thanks for the advice on bringing the pistol + all the other info. I will keep one in my pack. I'll plan to limit my take on blues to only what I can carry. I'll post another question about carrying a bigger pistol too.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 5 weeks 4 days ago

DM,
My cut on big handguns is don't if you are humping long distances and armed with any rifle. I only pack a handgun when out and about without a rifle.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 5 weeks 4 days ago

Thanks, Pray. Means a lot to be able to pass some of this stuff along. No kids left except my daughter and she's not real interested in that sort of thing. I'll be 76 before my grandson who arrives this month will be able to hunt. So not much chance of passing what I know along to anyone in the family. No sense in burying it with me. I added a couple of elk hunting stories to Dakota's last thread. Hope you enjoy them as much as I enjoyed writing them.

Dakota: As to carrying a bigger pistol, in a word ... no! You are going to have your hands full with altitude changes and possible knee issues. DO NOT load yourself down with a bunch of useless extra weight. And you will note I said to toss the .22 in the pack and not on the hip. Why would you need an extra larger pistol in the daypack? And I can tell you right now you're not going to track anything with a pistol strapped to your leg! If you're worried about bears, which is just wasted anxiety, pick up a small light pepper spray dispenser. Stick it to your pack or straps somewhere. Really though, you have about as much probability of needing a backup weapon for a grizzly as you would needing a helmet to protect you from meteorites. When was the last time you heard of someone shooting a grizzly with a "back up gun"? Not once as far as I know. Well, not in the modern era anyway. I think Davy Crockett had to resort to a knife or something once to finish a charging bear that his muzzle loader failed to kill. As I said some months ago when this issue came up, strapping a hog leg to yourself only advertises your dudiness. Somewhat like the "guide?" for Desert Mt Lodge wearing his mile long .44 Ruger Blackhawk on one hip, Bowie knife on the other, and both over his lovely purple frilled rodeo chaps. Oh, and the Hoss Cartwright fire-bucket on top of his head. Yeah, that was the finishing touch. Hmmm. I almost forgot the pink silk scarf. All this on a 6" tall kid who didn't weigh 150 lbs. Man, I wish I'd had a camera. Any self-respecting hunter would have taken one look at that clown and got right back on the plane!

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 5 weeks 4 days ago

Gees, I forgot about those knee-high cowboy boots worn on the OUTSIDE of his jeans. Guess he liked walking on ticks, pine needles, mud, snow, and everything else that parachuted into his socks.

Dakota, a better thread to start would be a discussion about what else should or should not go in the day pack if you're going to be tracking.

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from Safado wrote 5 weeks 3 days ago

Great post DM,
The guys responses are making me wish I was going too!I love hearing from you guys that know what you're talking about. Keep us posted as you prepare. You've got to be so excited.
Good Hunting

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from mike0714 wrote 5 weeks 3 days ago

If you have a rifle a pistol is just extra weight and not as accurate or powerful. Also if it is a bolt or lever action then your follow up shot should still be faster than drawing a bi pistol. Since you are not bow hunting don't bring a pistol for protection bring a 22 lr with fmj's and snakes shot. Small game and snakes are you biggest worry when you have a rifle for bears.

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from DakotaMan wrote 5 weeks 3 days ago

Thanks even more guys! Great advice and well appreciated. Based on comments here, I'll carry a .22 in my pack for birds and I have depended on them to finish off cripples most of my life. I don't get too many cripples but sure don't like to blast one with a big .30 caliber at close range to finish them off if necessary. I really don't want to carry a 4 pound pistol and will leave it at home.

I WILL have to watch out for dudiness since I am now an Easterner. My saving grace there is that my trusty brother-in-law is the truest cowboy I've ever met (he breaks and trains horses for a living). If one of my accessories is a little too colorful, he will have embarrassed it off of me by the time we hit the Montana border. I appreciate the advice though and should have a more pleasant commute because of it. I can remember being on the other end of those comments at one time but must admit, I've given lusty thoughts to Hoss' 10 gallon hat more than once. LOL! Thanks all and happy hunting.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 5 weeks 3 days ago

Dakota, don't try to get close enough to finish off an elk with a .22! I almost got it one night from a raghorn bull that was about bled out and only on three legs (I was responsible for the bleed out, the three guys from Pennsylvania were responsible for the sloppy ham shot). And an elk without horns can kill you just about as easily. A .30 cal bullet at the top of the neck will do the job humanely and safely. Using a scope just aim about 3" low. The hair is so long on a bull elk's mane that any taxidermist won't have trouble covering up a large caliber hole from a neck shot. For the life of me I don't know why anyone would want a shoulder mount elk anyway even if they did live in Windsor Castle and had room for one. Elk really are not the most attractive mount. Not as ugly as a bull moose but a close second in my opinion. Horns are beautiful and look quite magnificent mounted on their own. I had one set hanging over the headboard of my bed and the other resting against the footboard. If I ever get my bedroom out of the basement I'll display them that way again. Word of warning: screw the plaque to the wall! Especially if you live in a seismically active zone. That would make for an interesting autopsy report.

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from DakotaMan wrote 5 weeks 2 days ago

OH... more great wisdom. I will certainly heed your advise. I used to butcher 1000 to 1500 pound cattle and horses for my mink food and always dispatched them with a .22 so I know it has the energy to do it. You are very right though that they were not nearly as dangerous as an elk could be. If I ever need to, I will plan to use my rifle. I feel so fortunate to be a member of this site and the beneficiary of your wisdom. It has already set me on the right track for several elk hunting tips. Thanks much!

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from DakotaMan wrote 5 weeks 2 days ago

OH, your story reminds me of a nightmare I had one time. I dreamed that I was in a wagon train crossing the prairie when we got attacked by native Indians. I shot a few but was no match for them when suddenly, I was hit by an arrow right in the stomach. I grabbed it but could not pull it out and knew I was about to die. I awoke to find a nice old shoulder mounted buck upside down on top of me with one tine poking me in the stomach. I was so happy it wasn't an arrow and would live to see another day! We had a storm that shook the house a little and down he came!

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from therifleman wrote 2 weeks 5 days ago

You'll need to be in good shape and at least somewhat adjusted to the altitude if you're planning on tracking/stalking elk at all. That said, a herd will frequently stay put all day if nothing pushes them, so if you find fresh tracks, chances are you're not too far behind them. Be forewarned, they will leave lookouts to observe their trail and alert the rest of the herd if a predator (i.e. you) starts approaching. That lookout is going to usually be one of the older cows, not a trophy bull. If you aren't finding any fresh tracks, another one of my favorite methods is to just walk very slowly and quietly through the woods, listening for the mews from cows and calves.

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from 268bull wrote 1 week 4 days ago

Don't try to determine antler size by the diamater of the rub. Look to see how high up the bull has scarred the sapling he's spared with. If it's showing scarring and broken branches 6,7, or possibly 8 feet up, your in the vicinity of a nice branch antlered bull. Also, if you find a punky but obviously beat up tree stump, odds are he's a nice branch bull also. ( At least that's a trait of the Roosevelt's I hunt. )

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 5 weeks 5 days ago

That was always my PREFERRED method of hunting elk. They are a sociable animal and will often wait and see what is coming even if they can hear you. If you look in my profile album you'll see a HUGE 6x6 bull in the back of my old stock truck. That thing threw a track the size of a spike bull and not back on his dew claws a bit. Strangest thing I ever ran across. He might have been pushing a thousand pounds on the hoof. Biggest elk I've yet seen. So don't try to read antlers in the tracks. If you get on a fresh track, stick with it even if you don't think it's a bull. Remember, I said they are a social animal. As often as not one track will take you to more elk and more elk equals greater probability of one of them having a rack on its head.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 5 weeks 4 days ago

Gees, I forgot about those knee-high cowboy boots worn on the OUTSIDE of his jeans. Guess he liked walking on ticks, pine needles, mud, snow, and everything else that parachuted into his socks.

Dakota, a better thread to start would be a discussion about what else should or should not go in the day pack if you're going to be tracking.

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from Montana wrote 5 weeks 5 days ago

I jump on every hot elk track I come across during elk season. Of course we hunt in a large party with plenty of the older guys sitting in meadows so the odds are good that I can at least push the animal towards one of them. The only other piece of advice I can give you is to get a cow call, even though Montana's rifle season falls after the rut, it is still possible to call bulls in. My brother called my 6x5 and 3 spikes out of the timber and down to us, a distance of well over a mile. Any other questions just ask.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 5 weeks 5 days ago

To call or not to call is always a dilemma. Sometimes bulls bugle on into the October rifle season, but don't expect bulls to come running in. A cow call is indispensable in stopping a bull or mule deer. I keep two around my neck on all elk hunts.

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from mike0714 wrote 5 weeks 5 days ago

If it is a rut hunt call but if it isn't then where you are hunting matters in my opinion. If it is more open country I climb to the best lookout point and glass until I find a bull I can chase or my pants ware through. (another reason a mulie tag may be a good idea if the elk are not moving deer are the next best option) If it is thick country I try to find where elk are moving through on a regular basis, still hunt, sit water or track. I have seen people follow a bull in new snow for more than a mile just to find a broken up 2/3 on a "trophy" hunt because they where not willing to glass more. Also elk are more visual and sent oriented than sound because they regularly move in groups that make lots of noise. So a decoy may help even if you are not calling. I used a montana cow decoy last summer to walk straight in on a group of feeding elk to take pictures within 25 yards. By staying down wind and skirting the elk slowly angling closer you can cut the distance or move through open cover.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 5 weeks 4 days ago

Another piece of advice on tracking: avoid tracking downhill or be extremely slow and cautious if you do. Though they are sociable and will often stand and look at what's coming (sometimes I knew they could smell me), they WILL NOT hang around if they hear something coming down from above them. I tracked hundreds of elk (at least hundreds) and I do not recall ever having any of them but one small bunch that didn't just flat book off if they heard me above them. And that bunch didn't hear me I'm pretty sure (I got the drop on them totally and nailed a spike). I believe this is because cougars attack from above - or else they really don't have much of a chance catching an elk in that kind of country.

Dakota, I don't know how those knee replacements went but I suspect you should be cautious. Don't go messing yourself up trying to do something that's not in your reach. It is what it is. You'll get something even if it isn't a big bull. Hell, I shot a lot of forked horn muleys and does when elk hunting and many times even settled for a day pack full of blue grouse. Which reminds me, get your bird license and put a .22 pistol revolver loaded with longs in your pack (not on your hip!). Don't worry too much about the noise. I once shot four big blues, loaded them into the pack, walked around the corner and made a very long shot on a spike (that I subsequently wished I had missed!). And don't take more than three of those big birds unless you have some pretty good shoulder straps on your day pack! Gees, I wish I was going with you. Oh, and don't bother shooting the fool hens (spruce grouse). They taste like turpentine.

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from jay wrote 5 weeks 5 days ago

I know guys that track them just like OHH; however, they are all in very, very good shape.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 5 weeks 5 days ago

I used to track all day the entire season until I got my elk or ran out of season. It is hard to say what is the best way to go. Elk will cover a dozen miles or so from bed to feed to water daily. When I had ample cartilage in my knees, tracking was my number one tactic.. Elk will traverse some nasty terrain like nobody's business in a hurry. Tough on boots, hide, and rifles. If you can pattern elk movements, sometimes it works out to sit and watch if you know the area and where the elk move. At times you might tromp about all week and never get a whiff of elk. Anymore I usually walk in to a stand area and sit most of he day. Sometimes watching an area that has ample elk sign that goes both ways will pay off. Go to Colorado Parks & Wildlife website and browse the Elk University 101 pages. Get one of Laubach and Hinckle's elk hunting books. Great info there.

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from Gary Devine wrote 5 weeks 4 days ago

Tracking elk or deer in a fresh snow is awesome.
A crusty snow could make it difficult and easy for big game to hear you.
Months before I go out west I walk at least four miles a day. I also walk up and down steps at the high school football field bleachers to build up my legs. Those Rocky Mountains and that thin air is a killer is you’re a flatlander from the east coast.
Good Luck!

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from Pray- hunt-work wrote 5 weeks 4 days ago

OH- I wish I was going with you both, reading your advice painted a picture that I wish to live someday. Thank you for that!!

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from Montana wrote 5 weeks 4 days ago

Another piece of advice, I have hunted the Montana elk opener when its been 80 degrees and I have hunted the opener and had it be -15 degrees, bring a wide selection of clothing. A few pairs of good walking boots that are well broke in are a must as well. Take your time, drink plenty of water, and most importantly enjoy yourself. I work the whole year to enjoy a week or two of elk camp on the mountain.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 5 weeks 4 days ago

DM,
My cut on big handguns is don't if you are humping long distances and armed with any rifle. I only pack a handgun when out and about without a rifle.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 5 weeks 4 days ago

Thanks, Pray. Means a lot to be able to pass some of this stuff along. No kids left except my daughter and she's not real interested in that sort of thing. I'll be 76 before my grandson who arrives this month will be able to hunt. So not much chance of passing what I know along to anyone in the family. No sense in burying it with me. I added a couple of elk hunting stories to Dakota's last thread. Hope you enjoy them as much as I enjoyed writing them.

Dakota: As to carrying a bigger pistol, in a word ... no! You are going to have your hands full with altitude changes and possible knee issues. DO NOT load yourself down with a bunch of useless extra weight. And you will note I said to toss the .22 in the pack and not on the hip. Why would you need an extra larger pistol in the daypack? And I can tell you right now you're not going to track anything with a pistol strapped to your leg! If you're worried about bears, which is just wasted anxiety, pick up a small light pepper spray dispenser. Stick it to your pack or straps somewhere. Really though, you have about as much probability of needing a backup weapon for a grizzly as you would needing a helmet to protect you from meteorites. When was the last time you heard of someone shooting a grizzly with a "back up gun"? Not once as far as I know. Well, not in the modern era anyway. I think Davy Crockett had to resort to a knife or something once to finish a charging bear that his muzzle loader failed to kill. As I said some months ago when this issue came up, strapping a hog leg to yourself only advertises your dudiness. Somewhat like the "guide?" for Desert Mt Lodge wearing his mile long .44 Ruger Blackhawk on one hip, Bowie knife on the other, and both over his lovely purple frilled rodeo chaps. Oh, and the Hoss Cartwright fire-bucket on top of his head. Yeah, that was the finishing touch. Hmmm. I almost forgot the pink silk scarf. All this on a 6" tall kid who didn't weigh 150 lbs. Man, I wish I'd had a camera. Any self-respecting hunter would have taken one look at that clown and got right back on the plane!

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from DakotaMan wrote 5 weeks 5 days ago

Thanks guys! Sounds like it is worth doing but I will have to pace myself. I'd like nothing more than tracking an elk all day. However, with two titanium knees I might be better off to do like WAM suggested. I know I can track 10-15 miles a day on relatively flat land but suspect that elk will show me things I never imagined. I might try it one day and see how it goes. Ontario, those are some massive bulls... you guys inspire me. Thanks for the reading advice WAM... I'll get those and book up. I really appreciate hearing from you guys... so far what I've read is quite contradictory... blow call, don't blow call; track elk, don't track elk. I just have to understand more about where and when each technique works. I'll be hunting the first week of the rifle season so hope I find a dumb one before the weather turns nasty.

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from DakotaMan wrote 5 weeks 4 days ago

You guys are giving me an adrenalin rush four months before the season! I really appreciate the advice from you all. I'll work hard at getting in shape and hope to at least try tracking one if I get a chance. If the knees don't hold up, it won't be because I didn't try. I hunt South Dakota in those same time frames and am familiar with sunburn, drizzle and snow all happening on the same day. I suspect it will be even more pronounced in the beautiful Rockies but to me that is part of the excitement.

I wish you guys were coming with me too. You all sound like you would make any hunt a good one, elk or no elk!

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from DakotaMan wrote 5 weeks 4 days ago

OH, thanks for the advice on bringing the pistol + all the other info. I will keep one in my pack. I'll plan to limit my take on blues to only what I can carry. I'll post another question about carrying a bigger pistol too.

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from Safado wrote 5 weeks 3 days ago

Great post DM,
The guys responses are making me wish I was going too!I love hearing from you guys that know what you're talking about. Keep us posted as you prepare. You've got to be so excited.
Good Hunting

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from mike0714 wrote 5 weeks 3 days ago

If you have a rifle a pistol is just extra weight and not as accurate or powerful. Also if it is a bolt or lever action then your follow up shot should still be faster than drawing a bi pistol. Since you are not bow hunting don't bring a pistol for protection bring a 22 lr with fmj's and snakes shot. Small game and snakes are you biggest worry when you have a rifle for bears.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 5 weeks 3 days ago

Dakota, don't try to get close enough to finish off an elk with a .22! I almost got it one night from a raghorn bull that was about bled out and only on three legs (I was responsible for the bleed out, the three guys from Pennsylvania were responsible for the sloppy ham shot). And an elk without horns can kill you just about as easily. A .30 cal bullet at the top of the neck will do the job humanely and safely. Using a scope just aim about 3" low. The hair is so long on a bull elk's mane that any taxidermist won't have trouble covering up a large caliber hole from a neck shot. For the life of me I don't know why anyone would want a shoulder mount elk anyway even if they did live in Windsor Castle and had room for one. Elk really are not the most attractive mount. Not as ugly as a bull moose but a close second in my opinion. Horns are beautiful and look quite magnificent mounted on their own. I had one set hanging over the headboard of my bed and the other resting against the footboard. If I ever get my bedroom out of the basement I'll display them that way again. Word of warning: screw the plaque to the wall! Especially if you live in a seismically active zone. That would make for an interesting autopsy report.

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from DakotaMan wrote 5 weeks 2 days ago

OH, your story reminds me of a nightmare I had one time. I dreamed that I was in a wagon train crossing the prairie when we got attacked by native Indians. I shot a few but was no match for them when suddenly, I was hit by an arrow right in the stomach. I grabbed it but could not pull it out and knew I was about to die. I awoke to find a nice old shoulder mounted buck upside down on top of me with one tine poking me in the stomach. I was so happy it wasn't an arrow and would live to see another day! We had a storm that shook the house a little and down he came!

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from DakotaMan wrote 5 weeks 3 days ago

Thanks even more guys! Great advice and well appreciated. Based on comments here, I'll carry a .22 in my pack for birds and I have depended on them to finish off cripples most of my life. I don't get too many cripples but sure don't like to blast one with a big .30 caliber at close range to finish them off if necessary. I really don't want to carry a 4 pound pistol and will leave it at home.

I WILL have to watch out for dudiness since I am now an Easterner. My saving grace there is that my trusty brother-in-law is the truest cowboy I've ever met (he breaks and trains horses for a living). If one of my accessories is a little too colorful, he will have embarrassed it off of me by the time we hit the Montana border. I appreciate the advice though and should have a more pleasant commute because of it. I can remember being on the other end of those comments at one time but must admit, I've given lusty thoughts to Hoss' 10 gallon hat more than once. LOL! Thanks all and happy hunting.

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from DakotaMan wrote 5 weeks 2 days ago

OH... more great wisdom. I will certainly heed your advise. I used to butcher 1000 to 1500 pound cattle and horses for my mink food and always dispatched them with a .22 so I know it has the energy to do it. You are very right though that they were not nearly as dangerous as an elk could be. If I ever need to, I will plan to use my rifle. I feel so fortunate to be a member of this site and the beneficiary of your wisdom. It has already set me on the right track for several elk hunting tips. Thanks much!

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from therifleman wrote 2 weeks 5 days ago

You'll need to be in good shape and at least somewhat adjusted to the altitude if you're planning on tracking/stalking elk at all. That said, a herd will frequently stay put all day if nothing pushes them, so if you find fresh tracks, chances are you're not too far behind them. Be forewarned, they will leave lookouts to observe their trail and alert the rest of the herd if a predator (i.e. you) starts approaching. That lookout is going to usually be one of the older cows, not a trophy bull. If you aren't finding any fresh tracks, another one of my favorite methods is to just walk very slowly and quietly through the woods, listening for the mews from cows and calves.

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from 268bull wrote 1 week 4 days ago

Don't try to determine antler size by the diamater of the rub. Look to see how high up the bull has scarred the sapling he's spared with. If it's showing scarring and broken branches 6,7, or possibly 8 feet up, your in the vicinity of a nice branch antlered bull. Also, if you find a punky but obviously beat up tree stump, odds are he's a nice branch bull also. ( At least that's a trait of the Roosevelt's I hunt. )

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