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Is it possible to distinguish our North American elk (Wapiti) from European Red Deer on the basis of DNA testing?

Question by 99explorer. Uploaded on November 13, 2009

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from babsfish4life wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

Two years ago a mismanaged fenced hunting ranch had a fence fall down and all the elk escaped. They were worried that the elk were part Red Deer and ordered the killing of them all. I remember reading in the news months later that from the elk that they tested they found no Red Deer genes from the DNA. If you want to learn more look up chief joseph hunting ranch or Rex Rammell (the moron has been discussed a lot on this website for lots of reasons).

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

I would be surprised if the cross-breeding produced an animal that was viable (sexually reproductive). This is the first I've heard about elk and red deer breeding. Thanks for supplying some resources, babsfish. I'm going to do some reading. But first I'll have to dig up some prozak. Canned hunts, "hunting ranches," and fenced leases send my blood pressure through the roof.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

Wow, guess this has been happening a lot in that disgusting business. Rammel had more than 160 elk on 168 acres. That's a shooting-fish-in-the-barrel operation. Calling that hunting is not even a stretch of the imagination. It's pure fiction. Too bad someone doesn't start a trophy club that is limited to animals shot only on public land or land that is open to the public to hunt. That would be the book I'd want my trophy measured for. Would go a long ways to reducing game hog leasing and phony canned hunting.

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from 99explorer wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

Believe it or not, there is such an animal as the "red silk", which is a cross between a sika deer and an elk, crossed out again with a red deer.

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from LesserSon wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

Since they are recognized as separate species, they must have distinguishable DNA, even if they can interbreed. Another point to your question is, are there reliable and available DNA testing protocols for these species?

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from 99explorer wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

I think the Florida panther was once recognized as a separate subspecies of the common North American mountain lion, or puma, but is now recognized as being the same animal. Ditto with the Kodiak Brown Bear and the North American Grizzly, where the only difference is size. These questions must have been settled by DNA testing, I would think.

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from babsfish4life wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

99exploder, Something interesting that I read about the difference between Brown Bears and Grizzly bears is location. Brown Bears are located near the coast and eat mainly salmon. Grizzlies are located in the mountains and eat....whatever else. So a bear can be born a Brown Bear, wander to the mountains and change it's diet and bang, it is a Grizzly Bear. Size is attributed to the location. Something cool from the Discovery Channel.

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from babsfish4life wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

Two years ago a mismanaged fenced hunting ranch had a fence fall down and all the elk escaped. They were worried that the elk were part Red Deer and ordered the killing of them all. I remember reading in the news months later that from the elk that they tested they found no Red Deer genes from the DNA. If you want to learn more look up chief joseph hunting ranch or Rex Rammell (the moron has been discussed a lot on this website for lots of reasons).

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

I would be surprised if the cross-breeding produced an animal that was viable (sexually reproductive). This is the first I've heard about elk and red deer breeding. Thanks for supplying some resources, babsfish. I'm going to do some reading. But first I'll have to dig up some prozak. Canned hunts, "hunting ranches," and fenced leases send my blood pressure through the roof.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

Wow, guess this has been happening a lot in that disgusting business. Rammel had more than 160 elk on 168 acres. That's a shooting-fish-in-the-barrel operation. Calling that hunting is not even a stretch of the imagination. It's pure fiction. Too bad someone doesn't start a trophy club that is limited to animals shot only on public land or land that is open to the public to hunt. That would be the book I'd want my trophy measured for. Would go a long ways to reducing game hog leasing and phony canned hunting.

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from 99explorer wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

Believe it or not, there is such an animal as the "red silk", which is a cross between a sika deer and an elk, crossed out again with a red deer.

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from babsfish4life wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

99exploder, Something interesting that I read about the difference between Brown Bears and Grizzly bears is location. Brown Bears are located near the coast and eat mainly salmon. Grizzlies are located in the mountains and eat....whatever else. So a bear can be born a Brown Bear, wander to the mountains and change it's diet and bang, it is a Grizzly Bear. Size is attributed to the location. Something cool from the Discovery Channel.

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from LesserSon wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

Since they are recognized as separate species, they must have distinguishable DNA, even if they can interbreed. Another point to your question is, are there reliable and available DNA testing protocols for these species?

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from 99explorer wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

I think the Florida panther was once recognized as a separate subspecies of the common North American mountain lion, or puma, but is now recognized as being the same animal. Ditto with the Kodiak Brown Bear and the North American Grizzly, where the only difference is size. These questions must have been settled by DNA testing, I would think.

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