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A friend of mine is going elk hunting and was advised to bring a back up weapon for safety from bear and mountain lion. What handgun would you guys/gals suggest?

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from Edward J. Palumbo wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

Something persuasive...with larger bears, something like a Ruger Blackhawk in .41 Magnum or a Redhawk in .44 Magnum. For mountain lion, a .357 Magnum would make sense to me.

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from idduckhntr wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

A .44 would be ok if you run Buffalo Bore or HSM bear loads in it. A 454 would be my choice.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

Bad advice. It's just extra weight. Your friend has a much better chance of getting struck by lighting or tree falling on him than needing a "backup gun" for bears or mountain lion. Is he going to wear a lightning rod on his head? I hunted elk hard for more than twenty years and even had my own pack string. Could always tell the greenhorns. They had a useless hog leg strapped to their thigh. I kept a .357 Highway Patrolman in the saddlebag. If I had a problem on the trail it was easier to get it out of the bag than pull rifle out of scabbard. Also, I never wanted to take a rifle on fishing trips. For fishing a handgun is definitely the way to go (not a "backup" weapon though). But big game hunting, no! Your friend will just advertise his dude-iness.

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from idduckhntr wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

OH, you should tell that to the guys that got charged last year elk hunting by my house.

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from IND_NRA wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

I take a Glock 20 10mm. It holds 15 plus 1 rounds and hits like a sledgehammer.

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from Happy Myles wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

As Ontario says, save the weight. Get in the habit of keeping your rifle handy at all times.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

I won't pretend to know it all about this topic, but I can tell you that ANY deer or elk rifle is a better self defense tool than any handgun caliber. What? You are going to lay down your rifle to draw a pistol? I seldom carry both although I do take a .357 or .41 magnum revolver along when checking cameras, placing or retrieving stands, etc. when carrying a rifle is not practical or allowed (regs). Also, I don't carry a big rifle to kill deer or even elk, it's those other critters that I match my rifle to. Accordingly, anytime I hunt whee there are bears of any flavor or big cats, a .30-06 is bare minimum for me.

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from idduckhntr wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

I think the question pertains to bow hunting.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

Hmmm, the original post did not state bowhunting but if I were bow hunting in big cat or bear country, I would consider one of the above firearms as a backup.

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from 99explorer wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

I would not care what other hunters thought of me. An extra gun is a plus if dangerous game is around, and my choice would be a .44 Magnum revolver.
But I would not lay down a rifle to use a handgun. There are plenty of times that a rifle is out of reach.

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from jhjimbo wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

I agree with 99. +1

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from mike0714 wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

If rifle hunting I don't usually carry a hand gun but when bow hunting I often carry a 10mm 1911, .475 Linebaugh, or .44 mag (when legal) It all depends on where i will be hunting and what big predators are in the area. In AZ I take the 1911 because it is lighter than the other 2 , hold more rounds, the bears tend to be smaller, and lions are pretty thin skinned. When in Upstate NY I carry the .44 because bears are bigger and I will not be hiking very far or over super rough country(I also leave the .44 with my uncle in NY so I don't have to deal with TSA). Then the .475 is for Brown/Grizzly country.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

I cannot imagine hunting elk with some big pistol strapped to my side. For you guys who sit in a tree stand or ground blind, you really have no concept what it's like to go after elk. I mean really go after them. You're on your feet all day, day after day, going up and down mountains, through brushy gullies, across streams, wading snow drifts, etc., etc. Besides being a lot of extra weight that you'll be cursing before the day is half done, a sidearm will pull your pants down and gets caught on brush, etc. Just a damned nuisance. I always had a pistol with me when I was elk hunting - K22 revolver stuffed in the daypack and loaded with .22 longs for blue grouse. Not a showpiece and entirely functional. It more often than not brought home five times its weight in meat (often times to my regret by the end of the day!)

And for those who are going elk hunting with a bow, the bears and big cats will be the least of your worries. Elk are pretty savvy about tree stands and I don't know of anyone who's had much success hunting them that way. Most try bugling bulls and do it from the ground. But be ready to shoot or die! Unlike a bull moose, bull elk completely lose all sense of reality when they get worked up. When they are on the prod they are literally blinded by passion. You will not have time to reach for a sidearm if a bull is coming full tilt. Bow hunting for bull elk is perhaps every bit as dangerous as for bears. It's not for the faint of heart or the inexperienced.

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from jay wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

There are numerous studies that show that bear spray is a much better deterrent than a hand gun. You can attach the spray to your waist backpack for easy access. There was a big article in a recent Bugle (RMEF) about this and the bear spray was close to 100% effective while handgun protection was pretty low. Hard to hit a charging grizzly with a shot good enough to stop it. The spray covers a much bigger area. I'd recommend reading the article if you can find it, had some good scientific evidence.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

Good advice. I had that stuff strapped to my belt every day in Alaska and was absolutely confident in its ability. Not so much my marksmanship with a pistol at a charging animal. I'm sure it will work just as well if not better on big cats. But it doesn't look very macho!

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from jay wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

OHH - I'd rather look like a wuss with a can of bear spray, then dead on the ground with a revolver in one hand :)

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from scratchgolf72 wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

.44 rem mag or a .500 S&W.

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from 99explorer wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

I have heard good things about bear spray, but I have to wonder about its effectiveness on windy days.

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from DakotaMan wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

The speed and tenacity of a big bear is not to be doubted. I have no desire to aggravate one with a pistol. There is just not enough stopping power. I haven't shot a bear with one but I have shot a charging Russian boar with a hot .44 Mag and was shocked at its lack of shocking power and stopping power. I don't hunt hogs on the ground with only a .44 anymore. I can only imagine what kind of trouble I could expect with a big bear.

In addition, I am among those who would rather not carry an additional four pounds for nothing. If I am rifle hunting, I will depend on my rifle all the way. I would carry a .22 pistol though to finish off any game that is still alive upon my arrival.

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from Happy Myles wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

A famous Alaskan big bear guide and outfitter who has since gone on to the Happy Hunring Ground, claimed if you carry a back up hand gun, better to shoot yourself than the bear.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

I remember those days well, 4 years in Alaska running the largest and busiest range in Central AK and those guys with their 454 Casuals etc blasting away on the range. I would ask if they were using them for bear protection and every one of them would say yes. "Did you know it’s State and Federal law that you must remove the front sight off your hand cannon". They knew they they were in serious trouble while looking at the massive front sight that would pass for an Farm Implement. Why they asked? You going to shoot a bear with that right? Ya they said. Well that bear is going to slap that hand cannon out of your hand and shove it up your, and I would leave it right there and walk off. Yep! Had a lot of fun I did! But my case and point is this, nothing smaller than a 44 Mag and don’t rely on it as you first line of defense. A good reliable rifle such as 308/30-06 or larger that you can manage instantly, accurately with quick follow up shots is your best choice.

This has been a "NO LIE GI" moment!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

ken.mcloud is still "MIA", I wonder if Happy Myles was right after all!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

You mean about the testosterone-laden pachyderm?

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from DEER30 wrote 11 weeks 3 days ago

thanks yall, great advice on both sides for him and myself. He was the lucky one who could afford the first trip out but I hope to follow asap. I will pass along.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 11 weeks 3 days ago

Jay, have you ever noticed the wind conditions in bear country? Need to think that one throng! I always wondered where those chili peppers in bear scat cam from?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 11 weeks 3 days ago

throng? YA' BUDDY!

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from Happy Myles wrote 11 weeks 3 days ago

Clay,
Had a hunch my story would bring out your front sight comment. Where have you been?

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from Safado wrote 11 weeks 3 days ago

I've never elk hunted but I would carry enough rifle for the game I'm hunting and anything that may be hunting me.

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from 007 wrote 11 weeks 3 days ago

When bowhunting for whitetails (from a treestand), I usually have a Super Blackhawk handy, loaded with Speer 300 gr. soft points. I'm not afraid, but I ain't stupid either, I have no plans to beat a bear or pack of coyotes off my feet with an arrow.

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from Amflyer wrote 11 weeks 3 days ago

You know, years ago I remember seeing some guy with his pants pulled up real high walking around out on the prairie trying to shoot blue grouse with a can of bear spray...you don't suppose...?

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 11 weeks 3 days ago

No prairie in the Flathead. You need a lesson in geography, Mr. Wannabee.

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from Sourdough Dave wrote 11 weeks 3 days ago

There is an important difference between stopping and killing. A .357 will kill a bear but not before it kills you. The object is to stop it from killing you. For this purpose I carry a .44 mag.

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from Sourdough Dave wrote 11 weeks 3 days ago

Of course if you are hunting with your neighbor a .22 is all you need. Just shoot him in the knee cap and while the bear is busy with him walk away briskly. You also get another parking space out of the deal.

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from Treestand wrote 11 weeks 2 days ago

JHO~~ You just can't beat a 10mm/Glock M30/M20 15+1 when Bow or Gun Hunting for Large or Dangers Game or when you are caught in a Wolf Pack Attack! Be "Prepared" for any thing when in the WILD.

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from jeffo52284 wrote 11 weeks 2 days ago

the only time I have had any hint of anything after me was when I walked back out of a hunting area and found mountain lion tracks in my tracks. had no idea he was there, I was carrying a side arm but it would not have mattered if it was a 9mm or a 454 that thing could have been on me and I would have been screwed before I ever even had a chance to think about using any firearm

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from Clay Cooper wrote 11 weeks 2 days ago

Happy Myles, been busy as all get out at work. After 4 years in Alaska (86-90)running the Base Range (largest and busiest in central AK), Director of High Power Competition for Tanana Valley Sportsmen’s Association in Fairbanks and shooting with the Air Force Team, I get to hear some really wild stories and really mess with the minds of Green Horns!!

id I ever tell'ya about the 2 Fellas going for trophy rams & sighted in at 400 yards. The two rams were down hill at 200ish yards. The rest of the story is obvious including should've sighted in at the gold standard of 200!

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from 99explorer wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

I would not care what other hunters thought of me. An extra gun is a plus if dangerous game is around, and my choice would be a .44 Magnum revolver.
But I would not lay down a rifle to use a handgun. There are plenty of times that a rifle is out of reach.

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from IND_NRA wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

I take a Glock 20 10mm. It holds 15 plus 1 rounds and hits like a sledgehammer.

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from Happy Myles wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

As Ontario says, save the weight. Get in the habit of keeping your rifle handy at all times.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

I won't pretend to know it all about this topic, but I can tell you that ANY deer or elk rifle is a better self defense tool than any handgun caliber. What? You are going to lay down your rifle to draw a pistol? I seldom carry both although I do take a .357 or .41 magnum revolver along when checking cameras, placing or retrieving stands, etc. when carrying a rifle is not practical or allowed (regs). Also, I don't carry a big rifle to kill deer or even elk, it's those other critters that I match my rifle to. Accordingly, anytime I hunt whee there are bears of any flavor or big cats, a .30-06 is bare minimum for me.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

You mean about the testosterone-laden pachyderm?

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

Bad advice. It's just extra weight. Your friend has a much better chance of getting struck by lighting or tree falling on him than needing a "backup gun" for bears or mountain lion. Is he going to wear a lightning rod on his head? I hunted elk hard for more than twenty years and even had my own pack string. Could always tell the greenhorns. They had a useless hog leg strapped to their thigh. I kept a .357 Highway Patrolman in the saddlebag. If I had a problem on the trail it was easier to get it out of the bag than pull rifle out of scabbard. Also, I never wanted to take a rifle on fishing trips. For fishing a handgun is definitely the way to go (not a "backup" weapon though). But big game hunting, no! Your friend will just advertise his dude-iness.

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from idduckhntr wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

OH, you should tell that to the guys that got charged last year elk hunting by my house.

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from jhjimbo wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

I agree with 99. +1

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from mike0714 wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

If rifle hunting I don't usually carry a hand gun but when bow hunting I often carry a 10mm 1911, .475 Linebaugh, or .44 mag (when legal) It all depends on where i will be hunting and what big predators are in the area. In AZ I take the 1911 because it is lighter than the other 2 , hold more rounds, the bears tend to be smaller, and lions are pretty thin skinned. When in Upstate NY I carry the .44 because bears are bigger and I will not be hiking very far or over super rough country(I also leave the .44 with my uncle in NY so I don't have to deal with TSA). Then the .475 is for Brown/Grizzly country.

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from jay wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

There are numerous studies that show that bear spray is a much better deterrent than a hand gun. You can attach the spray to your waist backpack for easy access. There was a big article in a recent Bugle (RMEF) about this and the bear spray was close to 100% effective while handgun protection was pretty low. Hard to hit a charging grizzly with a shot good enough to stop it. The spray covers a much bigger area. I'd recommend reading the article if you can find it, had some good scientific evidence.

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from jay wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

OHH - I'd rather look like a wuss with a can of bear spray, then dead on the ground with a revolver in one hand :)

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from scratchgolf72 wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

.44 rem mag or a .500 S&W.

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from 99explorer wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

I have heard good things about bear spray, but I have to wonder about its effectiveness on windy days.

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from DakotaMan wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

The speed and tenacity of a big bear is not to be doubted. I have no desire to aggravate one with a pistol. There is just not enough stopping power. I haven't shot a bear with one but I have shot a charging Russian boar with a hot .44 Mag and was shocked at its lack of shocking power and stopping power. I don't hunt hogs on the ground with only a .44 anymore. I can only imagine what kind of trouble I could expect with a big bear.

In addition, I am among those who would rather not carry an additional four pounds for nothing. If I am rifle hunting, I will depend on my rifle all the way. I would carry a .22 pistol though to finish off any game that is still alive upon my arrival.

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from Happy Myles wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

A famous Alaskan big bear guide and outfitter who has since gone on to the Happy Hunring Ground, claimed if you carry a back up hand gun, better to shoot yourself than the bear.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

ken.mcloud is still "MIA", I wonder if Happy Myles was right after all!

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from Happy Myles wrote 11 weeks 3 days ago

Clay,
Had a hunch my story would bring out your front sight comment. Where have you been?

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from Edward J. Palumbo wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

Something persuasive...with larger bears, something like a Ruger Blackhawk in .41 Magnum or a Redhawk in .44 Magnum. For mountain lion, a .357 Magnum would make sense to me.

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from idduckhntr wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

A .44 would be ok if you run Buffalo Bore or HSM bear loads in it. A 454 would be my choice.

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from idduckhntr wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

I think the question pertains to bow hunting.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

Hmmm, the original post did not state bowhunting but if I were bow hunting in big cat or bear country, I would consider one of the above firearms as a backup.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

Good advice. I had that stuff strapped to my belt every day in Alaska and was absolutely confident in its ability. Not so much my marksmanship with a pistol at a charging animal. I'm sure it will work just as well if not better on big cats. But it doesn't look very macho!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

I remember those days well, 4 years in Alaska running the largest and busiest range in Central AK and those guys with their 454 Casuals etc blasting away on the range. I would ask if they were using them for bear protection and every one of them would say yes. "Did you know it’s State and Federal law that you must remove the front sight off your hand cannon". They knew they they were in serious trouble while looking at the massive front sight that would pass for an Farm Implement. Why they asked? You going to shoot a bear with that right? Ya they said. Well that bear is going to slap that hand cannon out of your hand and shove it up your, and I would leave it right there and walk off. Yep! Had a lot of fun I did! But my case and point is this, nothing smaller than a 44 Mag and don’t rely on it as you first line of defense. A good reliable rifle such as 308/30-06 or larger that you can manage instantly, accurately with quick follow up shots is your best choice.

This has been a "NO LIE GI" moment!

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from DEER30 wrote 11 weeks 3 days ago

thanks yall, great advice on both sides for him and myself. He was the lucky one who could afford the first trip out but I hope to follow asap. I will pass along.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 11 weeks 3 days ago

Jay, have you ever noticed the wind conditions in bear country? Need to think that one throng! I always wondered where those chili peppers in bear scat cam from?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 11 weeks 3 days ago

throng? YA' BUDDY!

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from Safado wrote 11 weeks 3 days ago

I've never elk hunted but I would carry enough rifle for the game I'm hunting and anything that may be hunting me.

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from 007 wrote 11 weeks 3 days ago

When bowhunting for whitetails (from a treestand), I usually have a Super Blackhawk handy, loaded with Speer 300 gr. soft points. I'm not afraid, but I ain't stupid either, I have no plans to beat a bear or pack of coyotes off my feet with an arrow.

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from Sourdough Dave wrote 11 weeks 3 days ago

There is an important difference between stopping and killing. A .357 will kill a bear but not before it kills you. The object is to stop it from killing you. For this purpose I carry a .44 mag.

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from Sourdough Dave wrote 11 weeks 3 days ago

Of course if you are hunting with your neighbor a .22 is all you need. Just shoot him in the knee cap and while the bear is busy with him walk away briskly. You also get another parking space out of the deal.

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from Treestand wrote 11 weeks 2 days ago

JHO~~ You just can't beat a 10mm/Glock M30/M20 15+1 when Bow or Gun Hunting for Large or Dangers Game or when you are caught in a Wolf Pack Attack! Be "Prepared" for any thing when in the WILD.

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from jeffo52284 wrote 11 weeks 2 days ago

the only time I have had any hint of anything after me was when I walked back out of a hunting area and found mountain lion tracks in my tracks. had no idea he was there, I was carrying a side arm but it would not have mattered if it was a 9mm or a 454 that thing could have been on me and I would have been screwed before I ever even had a chance to think about using any firearm

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from Clay Cooper wrote 11 weeks 2 days ago

Happy Myles, been busy as all get out at work. After 4 years in Alaska (86-90)running the Base Range (largest and busiest in central AK), Director of High Power Competition for Tanana Valley Sportsmen’s Association in Fairbanks and shooting with the Air Force Team, I get to hear some really wild stories and really mess with the minds of Green Horns!!

id I ever tell'ya about the 2 Fellas going for trophy rams & sighted in at 400 yards. The two rams were down hill at 200ish yards. The rest of the story is obvious including should've sighted in at the gold standard of 200!

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 11 weeks 4 days ago

I cannot imagine hunting elk with some big pistol strapped to my side. For you guys who sit in a tree stand or ground blind, you really have no concept what it's like to go after elk. I mean really go after them. You're on your feet all day, day after day, going up and down mountains, through brushy gullies, across streams, wading snow drifts, etc., etc. Besides being a lot of extra weight that you'll be cursing before the day is half done, a sidearm will pull your pants down and gets caught on brush, etc. Just a damned nuisance. I always had a pistol with me when I was elk hunting - K22 revolver stuffed in the daypack and loaded with .22 longs for blue grouse. Not a showpiece and entirely functional. It more often than not brought home five times its weight in meat (often times to my regret by the end of the day!)

And for those who are going elk hunting with a bow, the bears and big cats will be the least of your worries. Elk are pretty savvy about tree stands and I don't know of anyone who's had much success hunting them that way. Most try bugling bulls and do it from the ground. But be ready to shoot or die! Unlike a bull moose, bull elk completely lose all sense of reality when they get worked up. When they are on the prod they are literally blinded by passion. You will not have time to reach for a sidearm if a bull is coming full tilt. Bow hunting for bull elk is perhaps every bit as dangerous as for bears. It's not for the faint of heart or the inexperienced.

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from Amflyer wrote 11 weeks 3 days ago

You know, years ago I remember seeing some guy with his pants pulled up real high walking around out on the prairie trying to shoot blue grouse with a can of bear spray...you don't suppose...?

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 11 weeks 3 days ago

No prairie in the Flathead. You need a lesson in geography, Mr. Wannabee.

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