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MY CASE FOR FIXED POWER SCOPES
ALL of my scopes are fixed power. 2x on pistols, 4x on rimfires to midrange centerfires, and 6x for varminting and long[er] range centerfires. I agree with the many shooters who feel that 4x is adequate shots at big game to 300yds. I've never taken a shot at big game beyond that and not sure if I ever will [or want to].
4x is not to powerful for me to follow a moving animal [if necessary], and my 6x works great on the .243 for varmints, yet is not to powerful for closer shots at deer.
My case for fixed powers is simplicity, less weight, and I'm convinced they've 'bettered' my shots in the sense that I have ONE power to work with. I've also had a few bolt actions with 90* bolt lifts that were so close to the tube that if the scope had a power ring the bolt wouldn't clear when opened. I'm a stock creeper and like my scopes mounted that far forward anyways where the power ring location IS a consideration in mounting.
All this being said, WHAT SAY YOU?
*note, I have no eyesight issues, so this is not a consideration for me
Question by hi_tail. Uploaded on March 17, 2010
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**I respect all you '5-starers' out there and am curious to see what you all have to say on this**
I like my 3-9 variable because I hunt a variety of game with my 30-06. I hunt elk in the mountains but I also hunt mule deer by pushing sage brush. I have opportunity at elk or deer 300 yards away, but an hour later I can have a buck jump from behind a sage brush 20 yards away. I like having the opportunity to change from 3x to 9x depending on what is in front of me. When I have the money to buy multiple guns the story may change, just my 2 cents.
I think that the factors that would determine fixed or variable is how many guns you have, where you hunt and what you are hunting. Also if you are a stalk and spot hunter you would probably do better with a higher power scope. If you are a pusher, a lower power would be necessary. Every situation is different and saying one is best all around would probably be inaccurate.
I would like to have a fixed 4 on most rifles and do on one, but I usually want lower power available. A fixed 2.5 isn't exactly always low enough for my tastes, and isn't enough to please me on longer shots either. I have gone to mostly variables now. 2-7 is usually perfect, 1-5 or so is plenty on most rifles. The new Bushnell 1.25-8X is my dream variable. It goes plenty low to satisfy, and has more high end than I will ever use on a big game rifle.
Either a Sightron 3x9x42 or a Leupold 3x9x40 would be absolutely perfect for you!
While I only use hi quality variable power scopes. If money were a major problem I would go with a lower cost fixed power scope. Reason being that the fixed does not have those extra internal moving parts which make the scope more fragile. Not to mention the zero changing when you change power on a lower cost variable. On relatively short range firearms like handguns and ML's a fixed power is probably the best choice.
I have variables and fixed on all of my rifles now and I personally don't have a problem with either. I leave all of my variables on 4x just about all the time. If you not a long range shooter or a varmint hunter a 4x will certainly get the job done.
You are probably right on. My father is getting to where he only wants fixed power scopes. We've talked about the advantages/disadvantages. I usually only use the 3X on my 3-9 variable. It's just hard for me to let my options go bye-bye. I'm just to young and stubborn for now.
A fixed 4x is just fine for deer hunting if that is the ONLY thing you ever do with your rifle. Most of my hunting rifles wear 2-7x or 3-9x high quality scopes. Their weight is not excessive and I have no trouble jacking the bolt with them. I shoot most of my rifles a LOT at the range so that I can develop better loads, test bullets and just enjoy the sport of target shooting. At the range, the cross hairs on a 4x scope pretty much cover the target and 9x allows me to see much better and aim much finer so I can differentiate between a good load and a bad load. If something is standing still at 400 yards, I notice the same thing and the 9x comes in handy. I use my 25-06 and to shoot varmints too and my 300 Dakota for very long range shooting of deer. On those, a 20 to 25 power top end variable makes all the difference in the world. A 600 yard prairie dog shot is real hit or miss with a 4x scope but almost a sure thing with a 25x scope. If you expect your deer rifle to do things like this, you need more than a 4x. I believe that doing these things with your deer rifle make you a lot better shot.
Sure you can use a 4X at 300 yards but why would you want to with the excellent variable glass we have available today.
While most of my rifles wear variable power scopes, they are pretty much fixed power in the field. I usually set my variable somewhere between 3x and 5x depending on where I am hunting at the moment. I eldom if ever change a scope setting in the field. Most of the time, you have 3 seconds to shoot at an animal before they move, bust you, or you get shaky. I never waste that time messing with scope setting. Spot, decide, shoot.
I would never feel handicapped with a 4x or 6x fixed power scope. I do like the higher power for ange work.
Geez
s/b "seldom" not eldom and "range" not ange. Need more coffee...
Sounds good to me. Anything you can shoot a 2X, you can shoot at 12X. I usually crank mine up all the way and leave it there...Gonna save the extra cost of the variable scope this time.
Just signed on, and everything has been well covered. At 71 years of age, my range work goes a lot faster using the higher powers. My eye sight is not what it used to be. I have 1.5 X 5.0 on all my dangerous game rifles .416, 450 Ackley, and 500 Jeffery. Do my range work at 5 power then move back to 1.5 where they stay in the field. You do not want to walk up to what you thought was a dead animal, having it explode to it's feet and all you see is hair in the scope.
Might add, I have hunted all over the world with some of the most exotic optics ever made. They have all worked fine, but in retrospect a 3x9 Leupold would have worked just as well and saved a lot of money for more hunting trips Time spent practicing (excuse me Clay, spent training) is your best insurance.
Should mention a 3x 9 is too much magnification for dangerous game, except leopard over bait. Stick with the 1.5 by 5 for these critters
Whoops, to be honest. I forgot that my varmint rifles have high magnification scopes, 10, 12 power etc
I put a Leupold FXII 4 x 33 on my new Tikka T3 270. Many people tols me I "need" a 3-9x40 and that anything less would not do the rifle justice.
This last season was the first I used the rifle and I shot 1 coyote and 2 deer with it.
It is the best setup I have ever had.
The main reason I bought a 4x was durability. The last variable I had would not stay sighted in. This one has not budged in over 100 shots.
Yes I am in favour of fixed power scopes.
Not a '5-starer' but wanted to weigh in. A couple years ago I purchased what I thought would be my ultimate scope. It was a very nice 2.5-8x variable. I didn't have any problems with it, but discovered it really wasn't what I wanted either. Apart from sighting in on the bench it was always set at either 2.5x or 4x. After an entire season of experimenting in the field I was able to determine that 4x is just right for me-It helps a bit in low light and allows me to see through the branches to make a shot. Anything above 4x and the reticle bounce becomes distracting from the offhand and kneeling positions, which I use alot. I shot last years buck at 13 yards with this scope set at 4x.
I guess I am coming to appreciate simplicity because I'm going back to fixed power scopes for deer hunting. I shot my first buck many years ago through a Lyman Alaskan 2 3/4x with a post reticle at 240 yards. I sold the 2.5-8 and am currently shopping for a fixed 4x. The 4x is all I will need for my deer hunting from very close to 300 yards, which is about as far as I will shoot.
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Just signed on, and everything has been well covered. At 71 years of age, my range work goes a lot faster using the higher powers. My eye sight is not what it used to be. I have 1.5 X 5.0 on all my dangerous game rifles .416, 450 Ackley, and 500 Jeffery. Do my range work at 5 power then move back to 1.5 where they stay in the field. You do not want to walk up to what you thought was a dead animal, having it explode to it's feet and all you see is hair in the scope.
Might add, I have hunted all over the world with some of the most exotic optics ever made. They have all worked fine, but in retrospect a 3x9 Leupold would have worked just as well and saved a lot of money for more hunting trips Time spent practicing (excuse me Clay, spent training) is your best insurance.
Should mention a 3x 9 is too much magnification for dangerous game, except leopard over bait. Stick with the 1.5 by 5 for these critters
I would like to have a fixed 4 on most rifles and do on one, but I usually want lower power available. A fixed 2.5 isn't exactly always low enough for my tastes, and isn't enough to please me on longer shots either. I have gone to mostly variables now. 2-7 is usually perfect, 1-5 or so is plenty on most rifles. The new Bushnell 1.25-8X is my dream variable. It goes plenty low to satisfy, and has more high end than I will ever use on a big game rifle.
I have variables and fixed on all of my rifles now and I personally don't have a problem with either. I leave all of my variables on 4x just about all the time. If you not a long range shooter or a varmint hunter a 4x will certainly get the job done.
You are probably right on. My father is getting to where he only wants fixed power scopes. We've talked about the advantages/disadvantages. I usually only use the 3X on my 3-9 variable. It's just hard for me to let my options go bye-bye. I'm just to young and stubborn for now.
While most of my rifles wear variable power scopes, they are pretty much fixed power in the field. I usually set my variable somewhere between 3x and 5x depending on where I am hunting at the moment. I eldom if ever change a scope setting in the field. Most of the time, you have 3 seconds to shoot at an animal before they move, bust you, or you get shaky. I never waste that time messing with scope setting. Spot, decide, shoot.
I would never feel handicapped with a 4x or 6x fixed power scope. I do like the higher power for ange work.
Geez
s/b "seldom" not eldom and "range" not ange. Need more coffee...
Whoops, to be honest. I forgot that my varmint rifles have high magnification scopes, 10, 12 power etc
**I respect all you '5-starers' out there and am curious to see what you all have to say on this**
I like my 3-9 variable because I hunt a variety of game with my 30-06. I hunt elk in the mountains but I also hunt mule deer by pushing sage brush. I have opportunity at elk or deer 300 yards away, but an hour later I can have a buck jump from behind a sage brush 20 yards away. I like having the opportunity to change from 3x to 9x depending on what is in front of me. When I have the money to buy multiple guns the story may change, just my 2 cents.
I think that the factors that would determine fixed or variable is how many guns you have, where you hunt and what you are hunting. Also if you are a stalk and spot hunter you would probably do better with a higher power scope. If you are a pusher, a lower power would be necessary. Every situation is different and saying one is best all around would probably be inaccurate.
While I only use hi quality variable power scopes. If money were a major problem I would go with a lower cost fixed power scope. Reason being that the fixed does not have those extra internal moving parts which make the scope more fragile. Not to mention the zero changing when you change power on a lower cost variable. On relatively short range firearms like handguns and ML's a fixed power is probably the best choice.
A fixed 4x is just fine for deer hunting if that is the ONLY thing you ever do with your rifle. Most of my hunting rifles wear 2-7x or 3-9x high quality scopes. Their weight is not excessive and I have no trouble jacking the bolt with them. I shoot most of my rifles a LOT at the range so that I can develop better loads, test bullets and just enjoy the sport of target shooting. At the range, the cross hairs on a 4x scope pretty much cover the target and 9x allows me to see much better and aim much finer so I can differentiate between a good load and a bad load. If something is standing still at 400 yards, I notice the same thing and the 9x comes in handy. I use my 25-06 and to shoot varmints too and my 300 Dakota for very long range shooting of deer. On those, a 20 to 25 power top end variable makes all the difference in the world. A 600 yard prairie dog shot is real hit or miss with a 4x scope but almost a sure thing with a 25x scope. If you expect your deer rifle to do things like this, you need more than a 4x. I believe that doing these things with your deer rifle make you a lot better shot.
Sure you can use a 4X at 300 yards but why would you want to with the excellent variable glass we have available today.
I put a Leupold FXII 4 x 33 on my new Tikka T3 270. Many people tols me I "need" a 3-9x40 and that anything less would not do the rifle justice.
This last season was the first I used the rifle and I shot 1 coyote and 2 deer with it.
It is the best setup I have ever had.
The main reason I bought a 4x was durability. The last variable I had would not stay sighted in. This one has not budged in over 100 shots.
Yes I am in favour of fixed power scopes.
Either a Sightron 3x9x42 or a Leupold 3x9x40 would be absolutely perfect for you!
Sounds good to me. Anything you can shoot a 2X, you can shoot at 12X. I usually crank mine up all the way and leave it there...Gonna save the extra cost of the variable scope this time.
Not a '5-starer' but wanted to weigh in. A couple years ago I purchased what I thought would be my ultimate scope. It was a very nice 2.5-8x variable. I didn't have any problems with it, but discovered it really wasn't what I wanted either. Apart from sighting in on the bench it was always set at either 2.5x or 4x. After an entire season of experimenting in the field I was able to determine that 4x is just right for me-It helps a bit in low light and allows me to see through the branches to make a shot. Anything above 4x and the reticle bounce becomes distracting from the offhand and kneeling positions, which I use alot. I shot last years buck at 13 yards with this scope set at 4x.
I guess I am coming to appreciate simplicity because I'm going back to fixed power scopes for deer hunting. I shot my first buck many years ago through a Lyman Alaskan 2 3/4x with a post reticle at 240 yards. I sold the 2.5-8 and am currently shopping for a fixed 4x. The 4x is all I will need for my deer hunting from very close to 300 yards, which is about as far as I will shoot.
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