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7mm or 300 Win Mag for elk, moose, possibly bear?

Question by Meloame. Uploaded on March 20, 2009

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from ishawooa wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

Either loaded with VLDs, XXXs, Partitions, or Scirrocos

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from rrmont wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

Either will do the job, but I would go with the 300 mag. It doesn't shoot as flat or fast but it does have more energy when it gets to the target.

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from shane wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

.300 all the way.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

First of all, if the 30-06 190 grain has more knock down power and flatter shooting even past 1000 yards than the 7mm Rem Mag 175 grain, the 300 Win Mag by far is better than the 7mm Rem Mag. Larger diameter and heavier bullet and a hell of a lot faster!

While in Alaska for 4 years 86-90 lived in the outdoors and range master for one of the busiest ranges in Alaska, I have read and been told numerous of times by AK State Game Biologists, guides and experienced hunters that a reputable guide for a bear hunt will only allow you to hunt with 30 cal or larger, in fact 30-06 is to be the smallest cartridge allowed period. My #1 prime choice would be the 338 Win Mag hands down and it out performs the 300 Win Mag hands down too. If you going to get belted by recoil, might as well have some bigger on the other end! All the pros say 338 Win Mag is best for Elk because it anchors them on the spot. They have a tendency to head for the roughest and gnarliest spot imaginable when shot!

Been Dar, Seen Dat and Dun Dat!

By the way, in 1980 I sold my 300 Win Mag and never regretted it and I do love my 338 Browning A-Bolt! Only thing I like about the 7mm Rem Mag is the cases make damn good 388 Win Mag cases without trimming and fire forming!!! I also use 300 Win Mag cases too!!!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

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My favorite bullet for 300 Win Mag from Yodel Dogs to Mullies is the Hornady 130 grain soft point sizzling at 3575ish fps!!
O’YA BABY!!!!!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

rrmont

Question sir, where did you get 300 Win Mag isn’t as fast or as flat as the 7mm Rem Mag? I can push a 165 grainer out just as fast out of the 300 Win Mag at the same velocity as the 139 grain out of the 7mm Weatherby Mag!

This Ol’Sandbagger wants to know!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

By the way, the 7mm is overrated do to advertising!

WHEN i WAS GOING TO REPLACE MY 25-06 LAST YEAR, I was leaning heavily on the 7mm Rem Mag. It's no punk with light weight bullets!!

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from steve182 wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

Whichever you shoot better. If you're buying one, maybe the .300 because it has more 'upside'.

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from buckeye wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

I would Have to go with the 300 win mag, but both will do the job with proper shot placement.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

If your not going after Black Bear 300 will do. Those Alaska Browns, nonresident hunters think they have gold specs in the dung. No, thats 7mm bullets Sir!

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from Christian Emter wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

.3oo. Yes please.

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from shane wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

Clay - regarding your dog and deer load - HOLY SH!T!!!

When I get some money and spare time, I'm coming to hang out. Deal with it.

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from hunt_fish_sleep wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

If you've got a .30-06, save your money, you've got what you need.

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from kyle7735 wrote 5 years 3 weeks ago

can you shoot the 300 win mag or 7mm better

thats what matters

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from kyle7735 wrote 5 years 3 weeks ago

can you shoot the 300 win mag or 7mm better

thats what matters

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from haroldoconnor wrote 5 years 3 days ago

for north american big game the 7mm diameter bullets have much higher BC's than the .30's or the .338's for reasonable hunting weight bullets.
the 7mm rem mag loaded with the remington case with hodgdons retumbo powder outperforms the .300 remington ultra mag at 1,000 yrds! the difference is a BC of 0.0640 for the 7mm verses 0.0410 of the .300 for long range shooting . remember bullet shape is important.... a guy hunting wyoming elk shot 1140 yrds at a bull elk killing it one shot. the first alaskan moose i killed i used a 22-250 ruger 77 loaded with winchester hollow point 40 grain bullet. shot placements a real key to baging big game. what ever u are comfortable shooting with will get the job done..

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from rudyglove27 wrote 3 years 50 weeks ago

.300 Win Mag!!!

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from Pecos Flats wrote 3 years 50 weeks ago

All of these opinions can be amusing!
It is always easy to tell who owns what caliber by the way they extol its virtues, while criticizing other calibers.
What I am about to tell you is in regard to hunting and not long range shooting matches at Camp Perry, Wimbledon and Palma Match.
For big game hunting I own two; .338 Win Mags, two; .300 Win Mags, two; 7mm Rem Mags and one; 30.06. So I can say a little about each.
The 30.06 is a time proven round that is perfectly capable of taking all of the game you mention. The wide array of bullet selection makes it very versatile. If you are recoil shy, it may be for you.
The 7mm Rem Mag is as fine of caliber as there ever was. It is the equal of the 30.06 in terms of knockdown and ballistics. Where it really shines is long range. Out past about 350 to 400 yards the 7mm will begin to leave the 30.06 behind in terms of bullet drop and energy. It is still packing a lot of freight and hit with authority when you choose the right bullet weight. It is probably the most efficient aerodynamic designs ever to come along. Remember, long range is where it really pays dividends.
The 300 Win Mag is basically a souped up 30.06 on steroids. It is an absolutely great round for elk, moose and black bears. It is a hammer on deer size game. Just like the 30.06, there is the widest range of .30 caliber projectiles to choose from.
The .338 Win Mag is a hammer! It will take any game on the continent and with plenty of authority. Some people do not realize it, but you can load bullets ranging from 180 grains to 300 grains. However, as with any caliber capable of shooting such a wide choice of bullet weight, rifle twist will determine which ones work best.
After 30 years of hunting with all of these calibers, if I were to have to choose one caliber it would be my .338 Win Mag.
One thing is for sure. Each of these calibers I have mentioned has its virtues and its limitations.
However, if you are going after elk, just remember they can die quickly or at times run to the next county after being hit hard. It is why I take my .338 and leave the others at home. But it is just my preference and not a slight toward the others calibers.
The .338 will also hammer moose and bears as if hit by a Mac truck moving at the speed of lightening.
Do not get caught up in the old argument that it is too much caliber. I have never interviewed game shot by my .338 that complained of being too dead.
My vote is the .338 Win Mag based on your statement that you will be hunting elk, moose and bear.

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from Cabochris wrote 1 year 37 weeks ago

I used to hunt with BIG guns... 338, 375, 416. For Big bears I would use my 416 Rem, as the 338 and 375 are not Stopping guns! No way, no how! For elk the 338 smacks them good with 210 Nos, yet I've shot big game like MuskOx that were not that impressed with 338 X bullets. Neither was my last moose and African Blue Wildebeast hit solid with a 375 HH! The called in moose stood in defiance 40 yards with 5 well placed 300 gr bullets through him and the African blue beast went some 200 yards with a double lung shot! You can kill a big bear with a .22, but a 416 or 458 would make me feel more secure.
These days I've simmered down a bit for lots of my hunting. I like the 7 mag, but feel 30 cal performs better on big game. I started hunting with a 300 Win and used to shoot 180s/200s. No need to anymore. I now use modern bullets and favor the Hornady loaded ammo with 150 and 165 GMX bullets. The factory loaded 150 GMX Superformance leaves my bbl pushing 3400 fps and will drop elk way out there! Plus there is less recoil and good accuracy! I will use the 165 GMX loadng for my next moose hunt. For 1 hunting all round gun, my choice would be the 300 Win Mag, shooting modern bullets and loads. Good friends have told me to try the Berger VLDs, as they kill big game like lightning... another example of the greater killing power with high tec bullets. I also like the 300 RUM, but I'm more of a hunter than a sniper and am not interested in shooting big game much beyond 400 yards. For me the 300 Win Mag is well balanced for most elk and moose hunting situations.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

First of all, if the 30-06 190 grain has more knock down power and flatter shooting even past 1000 yards than the 7mm Rem Mag 175 grain, the 300 Win Mag by far is better than the 7mm Rem Mag. Larger diameter and heavier bullet and a hell of a lot faster!

While in Alaska for 4 years 86-90 lived in the outdoors and range master for one of the busiest ranges in Alaska, I have read and been told numerous of times by AK State Game Biologists, guides and experienced hunters that a reputable guide for a bear hunt will only allow you to hunt with 30 cal or larger, in fact 30-06 is to be the smallest cartridge allowed period. My #1 prime choice would be the 338 Win Mag hands down and it out performs the 300 Win Mag hands down too. If you going to get belted by recoil, might as well have some bigger on the other end! All the pros say 338 Win Mag is best for Elk because it anchors them on the spot. They have a tendency to head for the roughest and gnarliest spot imaginable when shot!

Been Dar, Seen Dat and Dun Dat!

By the way, in 1980 I sold my 300 Win Mag and never regretted it and I do love my 338 Browning A-Bolt! Only thing I like about the 7mm Rem Mag is the cases make damn good 388 Win Mag cases without trimming and fire forming!!! I also use 300 Win Mag cases too!!!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

PS
My favorite bullet for 300 Win Mag from Yodel Dogs to Mullies is the Hornady 130 grain soft point sizzling at 3575ish fps!!
O’YA BABY!!!!!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

If your not going after Black Bear 300 will do. Those Alaska Browns, nonresident hunters think they have gold specs in the dung. No, thats 7mm bullets Sir!

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from kyle7735 wrote 5 years 3 weeks ago

can you shoot the 300 win mag or 7mm better

thats what matters

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from ishawooa wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

Either loaded with VLDs, XXXs, Partitions, or Scirrocos

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from rrmont wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

Either will do the job, but I would go with the 300 mag. It doesn't shoot as flat or fast but it does have more energy when it gets to the target.

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from shane wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

.300 all the way.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

rrmont

Question sir, where did you get 300 Win Mag isn’t as fast or as flat as the 7mm Rem Mag? I can push a 165 grainer out just as fast out of the 300 Win Mag at the same velocity as the 139 grain out of the 7mm Weatherby Mag!

This Ol’Sandbagger wants to know!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

By the way, the 7mm is overrated do to advertising!

WHEN i WAS GOING TO REPLACE MY 25-06 LAST YEAR, I was leaning heavily on the 7mm Rem Mag. It's no punk with light weight bullets!!

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from steve182 wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

Whichever you shoot better. If you're buying one, maybe the .300 because it has more 'upside'.

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from buckeye wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

I would Have to go with the 300 win mag, but both will do the job with proper shot placement.

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from Christian Emter wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

.3oo. Yes please.

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from shane wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

Clay - regarding your dog and deer load - HOLY SH!T!!!

When I get some money and spare time, I'm coming to hang out. Deal with it.

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from hunt_fish_sleep wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

If you've got a .30-06, save your money, you've got what you need.

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from kyle7735 wrote 5 years 3 weeks ago

can you shoot the 300 win mag or 7mm better

thats what matters

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from haroldoconnor wrote 5 years 3 days ago

for north american big game the 7mm diameter bullets have much higher BC's than the .30's or the .338's for reasonable hunting weight bullets.
the 7mm rem mag loaded with the remington case with hodgdons retumbo powder outperforms the .300 remington ultra mag at 1,000 yrds! the difference is a BC of 0.0640 for the 7mm verses 0.0410 of the .300 for long range shooting . remember bullet shape is important.... a guy hunting wyoming elk shot 1140 yrds at a bull elk killing it one shot. the first alaskan moose i killed i used a 22-250 ruger 77 loaded with winchester hollow point 40 grain bullet. shot placements a real key to baging big game. what ever u are comfortable shooting with will get the job done..

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from rudyglove27 wrote 3 years 50 weeks ago

.300 Win Mag!!!

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from Pecos Flats wrote 3 years 50 weeks ago

All of these opinions can be amusing!
It is always easy to tell who owns what caliber by the way they extol its virtues, while criticizing other calibers.
What I am about to tell you is in regard to hunting and not long range shooting matches at Camp Perry, Wimbledon and Palma Match.
For big game hunting I own two; .338 Win Mags, two; .300 Win Mags, two; 7mm Rem Mags and one; 30.06. So I can say a little about each.
The 30.06 is a time proven round that is perfectly capable of taking all of the game you mention. The wide array of bullet selection makes it very versatile. If you are recoil shy, it may be for you.
The 7mm Rem Mag is as fine of caliber as there ever was. It is the equal of the 30.06 in terms of knockdown and ballistics. Where it really shines is long range. Out past about 350 to 400 yards the 7mm will begin to leave the 30.06 behind in terms of bullet drop and energy. It is still packing a lot of freight and hit with authority when you choose the right bullet weight. It is probably the most efficient aerodynamic designs ever to come along. Remember, long range is where it really pays dividends.
The 300 Win Mag is basically a souped up 30.06 on steroids. It is an absolutely great round for elk, moose and black bears. It is a hammer on deer size game. Just like the 30.06, there is the widest range of .30 caliber projectiles to choose from.
The .338 Win Mag is a hammer! It will take any game on the continent and with plenty of authority. Some people do not realize it, but you can load bullets ranging from 180 grains to 300 grains. However, as with any caliber capable of shooting such a wide choice of bullet weight, rifle twist will determine which ones work best.
After 30 years of hunting with all of these calibers, if I were to have to choose one caliber it would be my .338 Win Mag.
One thing is for sure. Each of these calibers I have mentioned has its virtues and its limitations.
However, if you are going after elk, just remember they can die quickly or at times run to the next county after being hit hard. It is why I take my .338 and leave the others at home. But it is just my preference and not a slight toward the others calibers.
The .338 will also hammer moose and bears as if hit by a Mac truck moving at the speed of lightening.
Do not get caught up in the old argument that it is too much caliber. I have never interviewed game shot by my .338 that complained of being too dead.
My vote is the .338 Win Mag based on your statement that you will be hunting elk, moose and bear.

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from Cabochris wrote 1 year 37 weeks ago

I used to hunt with BIG guns... 338, 375, 416. For Big bears I would use my 416 Rem, as the 338 and 375 are not Stopping guns! No way, no how! For elk the 338 smacks them good with 210 Nos, yet I've shot big game like MuskOx that were not that impressed with 338 X bullets. Neither was my last moose and African Blue Wildebeast hit solid with a 375 HH! The called in moose stood in defiance 40 yards with 5 well placed 300 gr bullets through him and the African blue beast went some 200 yards with a double lung shot! You can kill a big bear with a .22, but a 416 or 458 would make me feel more secure.
These days I've simmered down a bit for lots of my hunting. I like the 7 mag, but feel 30 cal performs better on big game. I started hunting with a 300 Win and used to shoot 180s/200s. No need to anymore. I now use modern bullets and favor the Hornady loaded ammo with 150 and 165 GMX bullets. The factory loaded 150 GMX Superformance leaves my bbl pushing 3400 fps and will drop elk way out there! Plus there is less recoil and good accuracy! I will use the 165 GMX loadng for my next moose hunt. For 1 hunting all round gun, my choice would be the 300 Win Mag, shooting modern bullets and loads. Good friends have told me to try the Berger VLDs, as they kill big game like lightning... another example of the greater killing power with high tec bullets. I also like the 300 RUM, but I'm more of a hunter than a sniper and am not interested in shooting big game much beyond 400 yards. For me the 300 Win Mag is well balanced for most elk and moose hunting situations.

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