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I have an old JC Higgins model 20 full choked 12 gauge. I know it going to mark up the barrel but if i had to hunt geese with it what would be the # steel shot that i should shoot that will be the less damaging but would kill geese?

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 24 weeks 5 days ago

How this myth does persist! I have been shooting steel through my fifty year-old 870 here for at least fourteen years. And I shoot thirty to forty geese a year. I'm a fairly good shot (actually just particular about the shots I take) but that's still a lot of rounds put through an old fixed full choke barrel. And as far as I can tell it's still as bright and shiny as it was forty years ago. If the steel shot has wrecked it, I sure can't see it!

Use the modified barrel as much as possible. You will be safe to shoot steel through modified in any event. And it will probably give you the better pattern with steel. DO NOT shoot anything larger than BB and you should be okay. Size #1 is good too. Shoot fast loads for most effectiveness. For 2.75" go with 1 oz shot at 1500 or 1550 fps.

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from FirstBubba wrote 24 weeks 5 days ago

Adam
1. I'm not sure I would shoot anything but lead out of a gun that age.
2. I don't know that I would shoot a vintage J.C. Higgins at all until it was checked over by a competent gunsmith!
No offense, but J.C. Higgins was never known as a high quality arm.
Do as you wish, but I would approach shooting it with caution.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 24 weeks 4 days ago

From everything I have read Hi Standard did an exceptional job making these for Sears. Very high quality pump action. This gun is likely same vintage as most Model 12 shotguns and I know many people who shoot steel through them.

Bubba, Sears didn't make their own guns. Various manufacturers made them. Some did a good job and some not so good. Frankly, I have never seen anything that Hi Standard put out that wasn't good quality.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 24 weeks 4 days ago

Sorry about the confusion in my first post. I thought this was a double barrel.

Scarring is not an issue and I doubt pressure would be either as long as he stayed with BB and smaller. However, if he really wants to be on the safe side he could have a gunsmith open it up to modified choke.

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from FirstBubba wrote 24 weeks 4 days ago

Honk
You're so smart!
Are you aware that Sears also did not manufacture Browning, Ted Willuams nor Revelation?
In fact, I'm not sure Sears ever "manufactured" anything.
Whats more, I really don't care.
Next, J.C. Higgins won't make a pimple on M12 Winchester's butt!

Now, if you think advising a young man to fire modern steel ammo through a questionable firearm designed for lead shot without being thoroughly checked out by a qualified gunsmith, you're dangerous!
But you know what Mr. Know-It-All!
I will cede to your superior intellect!

Adam!
Get you some high velocity steel shot and shoot that old boat anchor!
The "HONK" had spoken and deemed your firearm SAFE!
Best if luck sir!

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from Dangle wrote 24 weeks 4 days ago

It is all about choke! Full choke shooting steel in that gun is a no-no! Your forcing steel that does not deform through tooooo small of hole. Phil would tell you no, and so will I.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 24 weeks 4 days ago

Sorry Bubba, but it seems you're the only one I have been able to find who has a complaint about the Model 20. This gun was manufactured from 1946 to 1966 and even through the 1970s as the essentially same but more dressed up Model 200. So this isn't a real old design. It was made to handle the rather hot modern magnum lead loads. Consider that the Remington 870 was introduced only three years later in 1949, and I haven't heard anyone say it's not safe to shoot steel.

The consensus seems to be that shooting steel shot (BB or smaller) through a fixed full choke is okay in most modern well-made guns, and by all accounts this gun was very well-made. I consider anything designed and manufactured after WWII as "modern." The Higgins Model 20 is in fact reportedly one of the smoothest pumps ever produced! Looking at it I don't see an abundance of stamped metal crap like the 870 or 1200.

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from FirstBubba wrote 24 weeks 4 days ago

As usual, Honk, you've missed the point!

...and I still stand by my advice!
Before shooting modern "steel" ammo through a shotgun that age, have it checked over by a qualified gunsmith!
Yes! The M20 was built by Hi Standard!
Yes! Hi Standard built an "ok" product!

BUT!!!
...and I point out! YOU, Honk, have absolutely NO idea of the firearms mechanical or physical condition!
WITHOUT said information (data), you're suggesting shooting modern, steel ammo out of a gun, 50 or more years old, designed for lead ammo WITHOUT having it's condition at least checked, is ludicrous!

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from FirstBubba wrote 24 weeks 4 days ago

Adam
Sorry about the disagreement, but I retract my previous statement.

Have your gun checked out by a qualified gunsmith! It'll be well worth your time should the gun have a defect only detectable by a trained eye!

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from jhjimbo wrote 24 weeks 4 days ago

Adam, Ditto FirstBubba answer.

If you do shoot steel out of full choke barrel, it won't be full choke for long.

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from idduckhntr wrote 24 weeks 4 days ago

A friend of mine has an old Higgins and has shot steel shot out with no ill effect. It is fine to shoot steel shot out of full chokes like OH said shoot BB or smaller. If you could shoot steel through a full alot of choke tube company's would be out of buisness.

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from ITHACASXS wrote 24 weeks 4 days ago

Those J.C. Higgins pumps were very sturdy (a bit chunky). I have seen two and both are going strong today. I've always heard that steel will/could/may/might bulge a tight choke barrel. I never tested that, because my mod chokes were the tightest I used for my waterfowling anyway. I know you can't go wrong throwing a shot or two on a pattern sheet.

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from Dangle wrote 24 weeks 4 days ago

Ontario....you fell for a false consensus. Modern gun, or no modern gun steel should not be forced through a full choke. At best, and if you are lucky you will just lose the choke in your full choked gun. My friend used steel through his well made Browning, and ruined the gun.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 24 weeks 4 days ago

Dangle, my Browning has a factory modified choke. I did my research and also determined that Browning fixed full choke barrels are risky. Not as well-made as we thought. Their barrels are on the thin side to cut down on weight.

Many of the problems encountered with steel shot early on have been eliminated by changing the wad materials. Jimbo, I just dropped a dime down the barrel of my 1960s production Remington 870. It's still a full choke after fifteen years of shooting countless rounds of high velocity 3" mag BB at geese. So much for your theory. The biggest drawback to continuing using the fixed full choke with steel has been that the pattern is not that great. Too tight. That might be helpful for long distance shooting except that the density properties of steel pretty much make it ineffective for those applications.

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from idduckhntr wrote 24 weeks 4 days ago

Sorry that should of said could not shoot steel shot through a full choke alot of choke tube company's would be out of buisness

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from FirstBubba wrote 24 weeks 4 days ago

So, idduckhtr, ITHACA
You would advise a total stranger that a "sight-unseen" shotgun of unknown condition and quality that's at least 50 years old, it's okay to shoot modern steel shot? ...without having the gun checked first?
Don't you find that a bit risky?

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from jhjimbo wrote 24 weeks 4 days ago

OntarioHonker,
Was that a Canadian dime or U.S.??
An American dime I measured was .703 so dropping down and not falling through could be a blown out full choke moving toward an improved modified.
A full choke is .694, a dime is .009 over, so you could have lost that much from full choke.
The only way to tell for sure is to mic the choke and see what the actual measurement is.
If you are still close to .694, that is a real testament to the quality steel Remington used so many years ago.

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from idduckhntr wrote 24 weeks 4 days ago

Bubba, no I don't. Steel shot has come a long way since the 1980's. I have shot steel # 3s in the following guns and have not had a problem. Midas Browning, Pigeon Grade M 12 Super Speed M 12 Ithaca 37 and 20 Gauge Wing Master that was built in the 70s. All guns have a full choke and NO damage. Mr. Cooper can shoot it or not shoot it is up to him. Me I would buy a box of steel # 4s and take it out for a great hunt.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 24 weeks 4 days ago

Sorry, Jimbo, I should have clarified that the dime does NOT drop through my 870's full choke barrel. The dime check has always been the traditional gun show way of determining if a shotgun's full choke has "stretched."

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 24 weeks 4 days ago

Bubba, I think if people were having trouble shooting steel through Hi-Standard Model 200 or J.C. Higgins Model 20 (same gun), then it wouldn't be any secret. I see a number of reports of barrels on Browning A-5 and Remington Model 11 giving way. But these barrels sometimes didn't hold up well to modern hot lead loads either (especially Remington 11). By all accounts this shotgun was built like a tank and smooth as silk. I'm sure if the fella takes it to a gunsmith he will tell him to have it bored out to modified ... because he can charge him to do that. Or sell him something else. I received the same advice re my Remington 870 fifteen years ago. But here it is hundreds of steel shot rounds later with a fixed full choke barrel as sound and bright as it was fifty years ago. And I can find hundreds of references on the internet confirming that others have done the same thing without incident. But not one mention of problems shooting steel through Hi-Standard 200. Hmmm.

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from FirstBubba wrote 24 weeks 3 days ago

I don't give one hoot in he## WHO manufactured the firearm or what choke or whether it's fixed or adjustable!
Have a vintage arm checked by a gunsmith before shooting it.
If you come on this web site "asking" if it's okay to use steel shot then apparently you're NOT a qualified gunsmith!

GO ASK A GUNSMITH! THAT'S WHAT HE'S THERE FOR!

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 24 weeks 3 days ago

I dunno. Guess I never figured a gun manufactured in the 60s to be "vintage." Perhaps because I'm a bit on the vintage side myself? Gunsmiths are like car mechanics. Pull a rifle out of the manufacturer's new box, haul it in to a gunsmith, and I'm sure he'll find all kinds of potentially fatal issues that he can fix ... for a nominal (or not) fee.

I have found the internet to be an invaluable resource for answering questions like these. It's like interviewing a hundred gunsmiths and gun owners. If there's anything seriously defective with a particular model of gun, you can bet your boots you'll find lots about it in cyberspace. The gun crowd is quite chatty! I'll trust the opinion of a dozen on-line gunsmiths, vendors, and gun owners over the local gunsmith shop here. I mean the BS is so deep in that place the city has passed a by-law requiring the owner to furnish customers with snorkels at the door.

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from Treestand wrote 24 weeks 3 days ago

Honker...I'm with you on the J C Higgins, I can remember they sold for $62.00 at Sears and MonkyWard back in the day(1958) They were built like a TIMEX take a liken and keep on ticken, It was the Farm boys dream, when the 16Ga was King...Shot like a 12Ga and recoil like a 20Ga.
Now as for the use of steel shot(YES)Some saw Plant Security during WWII with Buck Shot. just sayen

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from Dangle wrote 24 weeks 3 days ago

I have an e-mail to Federal Arms, and they will respond back on this subject....no need for a consensus.

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from FirstBubba wrote 24 weeks 3 days ago

You guys do as you wish.

Honk, if I ran a gun shop and you came in, I'd add $headache to every bill!
I'll take the "face-to-face" advice of ANY gunsmith over the on line "fal-do-ral" you dish out!

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from 99explorer wrote 24 weeks 3 days ago

I was present in a gunsmith's shop one day when a young couple came in with a Marlin .30-30 carbine they had just bought at an estate sale.
They asked the gunsmith if it were safe to shoot.
He checked it over visually and looked through the bore but did no tests on it, and did not fire it out back. He did not even check the headspace.
He pronounced it fit for use, and refused to take any money for his inspection.
So, the gunsmiths are not all crooks, but the gunsmith in this case did not perform much of an examination, IMO.

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from Dangle wrote 24 weeks 3 days ago

Bubba's got it. This thread can spread some of the worst bit of info a guy could ever think to acquire . I got my email back from Federal Arms asking them to clear up the notion you can shoot steel in a choke tighter then modified. Just got the answer from their expert..."You are exactly right...you are taking a chance shooting steel in a choke tighter than modified." So throw out the bogus consensus offered up on this topic.

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from jhjimbo wrote 24 weeks 3 days ago

Dangle, +1 for getting an answer from a ammo Company.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 24 weeks 2 days ago

Gees, Dangle, what did you expect Federal to say? Yes, there are some guns out there that shouldn't have steel shot run through them if they're full choke. It's a well-known fact. I cited a couple examples (including the fabulous Browning A-5 Light 12). So what's Federal going to say? "Maybe it's okay to shoot steel through some full chokes."? Of course they're not going to say that! Leaves them open to a law suit.

Bubba, take a pill!

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from FirstBubba wrote 24 weeks 2 days ago

Gee, Honk! I'd think you'd advise caution too! It's only common sense!

Honk. Get your cranium out of your rectum!

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from Dangle wrote 24 weeks 2 days ago

What is Federal going to say?...tell you the same thing a cop would tell you to do while driving down the road, and the light turns red. Amateurs like yourself deciding you can shoot steel through a full choke is not very wise as Federal stated. Like the kid that makes a pipe bomb, and knows it won't blow up in his hand. When the experts tell me something, i listen and obey, and not be bent on proving them wrong.

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from Dangle wrote 21 weeks 3 days ago

Anyone heard from the dude that was wanting to shoot steel through his full choke JC Higgins? Like a jail break, and inmates rushing through a hole in the barbed wire fence...OUCH! I once witnessed a guy get the OK from an "expert" that looked down his old, damascus barrel double, and say it was OK to shoot a modern day shell through it. Guy loaded said "pull" on a clay target, the barrel split, and a guy some 30 ft away had blood gushing from his leg....piece of the steel barrel struck an artery.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 24 weeks 5 days ago

How this myth does persist! I have been shooting steel through my fifty year-old 870 here for at least fourteen years. And I shoot thirty to forty geese a year. I'm a fairly good shot (actually just particular about the shots I take) but that's still a lot of rounds put through an old fixed full choke barrel. And as far as I can tell it's still as bright and shiny as it was forty years ago. If the steel shot has wrecked it, I sure can't see it!

Use the modified barrel as much as possible. You will be safe to shoot steel through modified in any event. And it will probably give you the better pattern with steel. DO NOT shoot anything larger than BB and you should be okay. Size #1 is good too. Shoot fast loads for most effectiveness. For 2.75" go with 1 oz shot at 1500 or 1550 fps.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 24 weeks 4 days ago

From everything I have read Hi Standard did an exceptional job making these for Sears. Very high quality pump action. This gun is likely same vintage as most Model 12 shotguns and I know many people who shoot steel through them.

Bubba, Sears didn't make their own guns. Various manufacturers made them. Some did a good job and some not so good. Frankly, I have never seen anything that Hi Standard put out that wasn't good quality.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 24 weeks 4 days ago

Sorry about the confusion in my first post. I thought this was a double barrel.

Scarring is not an issue and I doubt pressure would be either as long as he stayed with BB and smaller. However, if he really wants to be on the safe side he could have a gunsmith open it up to modified choke.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 24 weeks 4 days ago

Bubba, I think if people were having trouble shooting steel through Hi-Standard Model 200 or J.C. Higgins Model 20 (same gun), then it wouldn't be any secret. I see a number of reports of barrels on Browning A-5 and Remington Model 11 giving way. But these barrels sometimes didn't hold up well to modern hot lead loads either (especially Remington 11). By all accounts this shotgun was built like a tank and smooth as silk. I'm sure if the fella takes it to a gunsmith he will tell him to have it bored out to modified ... because he can charge him to do that. Or sell him something else. I received the same advice re my Remington 870 fifteen years ago. But here it is hundreds of steel shot rounds later with a fixed full choke barrel as sound and bright as it was fifty years ago. And I can find hundreds of references on the internet confirming that others have done the same thing without incident. But not one mention of problems shooting steel through Hi-Standard 200. Hmmm.

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from Dangle wrote 24 weeks 4 days ago

It is all about choke! Full choke shooting steel in that gun is a no-no! Your forcing steel that does not deform through tooooo small of hole. Phil would tell you no, and so will I.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 24 weeks 4 days ago

Sorry Bubba, but it seems you're the only one I have been able to find who has a complaint about the Model 20. This gun was manufactured from 1946 to 1966 and even through the 1970s as the essentially same but more dressed up Model 200. So this isn't a real old design. It was made to handle the rather hot modern magnum lead loads. Consider that the Remington 870 was introduced only three years later in 1949, and I haven't heard anyone say it's not safe to shoot steel.

The consensus seems to be that shooting steel shot (BB or smaller) through a fixed full choke is okay in most modern well-made guns, and by all accounts this gun was very well-made. I consider anything designed and manufactured after WWII as "modern." The Higgins Model 20 is in fact reportedly one of the smoothest pumps ever produced! Looking at it I don't see an abundance of stamped metal crap like the 870 or 1200.

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from idduckhntr wrote 24 weeks 4 days ago

A friend of mine has an old Higgins and has shot steel shot out with no ill effect. It is fine to shoot steel shot out of full chokes like OH said shoot BB or smaller. If you could shoot steel through a full alot of choke tube company's would be out of buisness.

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from ITHACASXS wrote 24 weeks 4 days ago

Those J.C. Higgins pumps were very sturdy (a bit chunky). I have seen two and both are going strong today. I've always heard that steel will/could/may/might bulge a tight choke barrel. I never tested that, because my mod chokes were the tightest I used for my waterfowling anyway. I know you can't go wrong throwing a shot or two on a pattern sheet.

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from Dangle wrote 24 weeks 4 days ago

Ontario....you fell for a false consensus. Modern gun, or no modern gun steel should not be forced through a full choke. At best, and if you are lucky you will just lose the choke in your full choked gun. My friend used steel through his well made Browning, and ruined the gun.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 24 weeks 4 days ago

Dangle, my Browning has a factory modified choke. I did my research and also determined that Browning fixed full choke barrels are risky. Not as well-made as we thought. Their barrels are on the thin side to cut down on weight.

Many of the problems encountered with steel shot early on have been eliminated by changing the wad materials. Jimbo, I just dropped a dime down the barrel of my 1960s production Remington 870. It's still a full choke after fifteen years of shooting countless rounds of high velocity 3" mag BB at geese. So much for your theory. The biggest drawback to continuing using the fixed full choke with steel has been that the pattern is not that great. Too tight. That might be helpful for long distance shooting except that the density properties of steel pretty much make it ineffective for those applications.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 24 weeks 4 days ago

Sorry, Jimbo, I should have clarified that the dime does NOT drop through my 870's full choke barrel. The dime check has always been the traditional gun show way of determining if a shotgun's full choke has "stretched."

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 24 weeks 3 days ago

I dunno. Guess I never figured a gun manufactured in the 60s to be "vintage." Perhaps because I'm a bit on the vintage side myself? Gunsmiths are like car mechanics. Pull a rifle out of the manufacturer's new box, haul it in to a gunsmith, and I'm sure he'll find all kinds of potentially fatal issues that he can fix ... for a nominal (or not) fee.

I have found the internet to be an invaluable resource for answering questions like these. It's like interviewing a hundred gunsmiths and gun owners. If there's anything seriously defective with a particular model of gun, you can bet your boots you'll find lots about it in cyberspace. The gun crowd is quite chatty! I'll trust the opinion of a dozen on-line gunsmiths, vendors, and gun owners over the local gunsmith shop here. I mean the BS is so deep in that place the city has passed a by-law requiring the owner to furnish customers with snorkels at the door.

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from Treestand wrote 24 weeks 3 days ago

Honker...I'm with you on the J C Higgins, I can remember they sold for $62.00 at Sears and MonkyWard back in the day(1958) They were built like a TIMEX take a liken and keep on ticken, It was the Farm boys dream, when the 16Ga was King...Shot like a 12Ga and recoil like a 20Ga.
Now as for the use of steel shot(YES)Some saw Plant Security during WWII with Buck Shot. just sayen

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from Dangle wrote 24 weeks 3 days ago

Bubba's got it. This thread can spread some of the worst bit of info a guy could ever think to acquire . I got my email back from Federal Arms asking them to clear up the notion you can shoot steel in a choke tighter then modified. Just got the answer from their expert..."You are exactly right...you are taking a chance shooting steel in a choke tighter than modified." So throw out the bogus consensus offered up on this topic.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 24 weeks 2 days ago

Gees, Dangle, what did you expect Federal to say? Yes, there are some guns out there that shouldn't have steel shot run through them if they're full choke. It's a well-known fact. I cited a couple examples (including the fabulous Browning A-5 Light 12). So what's Federal going to say? "Maybe it's okay to shoot steel through some full chokes."? Of course they're not going to say that! Leaves them open to a law suit.

Bubba, take a pill!

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from FirstBubba wrote 24 weeks 5 days ago

Adam
1. I'm not sure I would shoot anything but lead out of a gun that age.
2. I don't know that I would shoot a vintage J.C. Higgins at all until it was checked over by a competent gunsmith!
No offense, but J.C. Higgins was never known as a high quality arm.
Do as you wish, but I would approach shooting it with caution.

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from FirstBubba wrote 24 weeks 4 days ago

Adam
Sorry about the disagreement, but I retract my previous statement.

Have your gun checked out by a qualified gunsmith! It'll be well worth your time should the gun have a defect only detectable by a trained eye!

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from idduckhntr wrote 24 weeks 4 days ago

Sorry that should of said could not shoot steel shot through a full choke alot of choke tube company's would be out of buisness

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from jhjimbo wrote 24 weeks 4 days ago

OntarioHonker,
Was that a Canadian dime or U.S.??
An American dime I measured was .703 so dropping down and not falling through could be a blown out full choke moving toward an improved modified.
A full choke is .694, a dime is .009 over, so you could have lost that much from full choke.
The only way to tell for sure is to mic the choke and see what the actual measurement is.
If you are still close to .694, that is a real testament to the quality steel Remington used so many years ago.

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from idduckhntr wrote 24 weeks 4 days ago

Bubba, no I don't. Steel shot has come a long way since the 1980's. I have shot steel # 3s in the following guns and have not had a problem. Midas Browning, Pigeon Grade M 12 Super Speed M 12 Ithaca 37 and 20 Gauge Wing Master that was built in the 70s. All guns have a full choke and NO damage. Mr. Cooper can shoot it or not shoot it is up to him. Me I would buy a box of steel # 4s and take it out for a great hunt.

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from Dangle wrote 24 weeks 3 days ago

I have an e-mail to Federal Arms, and they will respond back on this subject....no need for a consensus.

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from FirstBubba wrote 24 weeks 3 days ago

You guys do as you wish.

Honk, if I ran a gun shop and you came in, I'd add $headache to every bill!
I'll take the "face-to-face" advice of ANY gunsmith over the on line "fal-do-ral" you dish out!

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from 99explorer wrote 24 weeks 3 days ago

I was present in a gunsmith's shop one day when a young couple came in with a Marlin .30-30 carbine they had just bought at an estate sale.
They asked the gunsmith if it were safe to shoot.
He checked it over visually and looked through the bore but did no tests on it, and did not fire it out back. He did not even check the headspace.
He pronounced it fit for use, and refused to take any money for his inspection.
So, the gunsmiths are not all crooks, but the gunsmith in this case did not perform much of an examination, IMO.

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from jhjimbo wrote 24 weeks 3 days ago

Dangle, +1 for getting an answer from a ammo Company.

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from FirstBubba wrote 24 weeks 2 days ago

Gee, Honk! I'd think you'd advise caution too! It's only common sense!

Honk. Get your cranium out of your rectum!

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from Dangle wrote 24 weeks 2 days ago

What is Federal going to say?...tell you the same thing a cop would tell you to do while driving down the road, and the light turns red. Amateurs like yourself deciding you can shoot steel through a full choke is not very wise as Federal stated. Like the kid that makes a pipe bomb, and knows it won't blow up in his hand. When the experts tell me something, i listen and obey, and not be bent on proving them wrong.

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from Dangle wrote 21 weeks 3 days ago

Anyone heard from the dude that was wanting to shoot steel through his full choke JC Higgins? Like a jail break, and inmates rushing through a hole in the barbed wire fence...OUCH! I once witnessed a guy get the OK from an "expert" that looked down his old, damascus barrel double, and say it was OK to shoot a modern day shell through it. Guy loaded said "pull" on a clay target, the barrel split, and a guy some 30 ft away had blood gushing from his leg....piece of the steel barrel struck an artery.

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from FirstBubba wrote 24 weeks 4 days ago

As usual, Honk, you've missed the point!

...and I still stand by my advice!
Before shooting modern "steel" ammo through a shotgun that age, have it checked over by a qualified gunsmith!
Yes! The M20 was built by Hi Standard!
Yes! Hi Standard built an "ok" product!

BUT!!!
...and I point out! YOU, Honk, have absolutely NO idea of the firearms mechanical or physical condition!
WITHOUT said information (data), you're suggesting shooting modern, steel ammo out of a gun, 50 or more years old, designed for lead ammo WITHOUT having it's condition at least checked, is ludicrous!

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from jhjimbo wrote 24 weeks 4 days ago

Adam, Ditto FirstBubba answer.

If you do shoot steel out of full choke barrel, it won't be full choke for long.

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from FirstBubba wrote 24 weeks 4 days ago

So, idduckhtr, ITHACA
You would advise a total stranger that a "sight-unseen" shotgun of unknown condition and quality that's at least 50 years old, it's okay to shoot modern steel shot? ...without having the gun checked first?
Don't you find that a bit risky?

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from FirstBubba wrote 24 weeks 4 days ago

Honk
You're so smart!
Are you aware that Sears also did not manufacture Browning, Ted Willuams nor Revelation?
In fact, I'm not sure Sears ever "manufactured" anything.
Whats more, I really don't care.
Next, J.C. Higgins won't make a pimple on M12 Winchester's butt!

Now, if you think advising a young man to fire modern steel ammo through a questionable firearm designed for lead shot without being thoroughly checked out by a qualified gunsmith, you're dangerous!
But you know what Mr. Know-It-All!
I will cede to your superior intellect!

Adam!
Get you some high velocity steel shot and shoot that old boat anchor!
The "HONK" had spoken and deemed your firearm SAFE!
Best if luck sir!

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from FirstBubba wrote 24 weeks 3 days ago

I don't give one hoot in he## WHO manufactured the firearm or what choke or whether it's fixed or adjustable!
Have a vintage arm checked by a gunsmith before shooting it.
If you come on this web site "asking" if it's okay to use steel shot then apparently you're NOT a qualified gunsmith!

GO ASK A GUNSMITH! THAT'S WHAT HE'S THERE FOR!

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