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I read an article in National Geographic some years back about how we have successfully brought back the Canada goose, white tailed deer, and American alligator. Today, the geese foul our yards, parks, etc, and along with the deer, devour farm crops, and the gators have also become a bit of a nuisance. Have we done too good of a job of restoring them, or is it possible to overdo it? I remember my dad and uncle telling that when they were young men someone found where a deer had passed thru and people came from miles around to look at the tracks and today we have to fence in our gardens to keep them out, right beside of our houses. What do you think, aside from the obvious of management thru hunting, is the answer? Regards, all. E~WV
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Many good points here 007 NE-KS
One good example is the snowgoose, now they are causing way to much damage on the enviroment.
Good question.. I think that we did too good of a job. These animals that were once rare and now are overpopulated. The geese make a mess everywhere they go, especially snow geese. There are now even jobs to kill these bothersome animals around airports. Where I live, deer get hit every day and the are everywhere.
I presently reside above the gator and gnat line (basically the same) in GA but we have an abundance of both Geese and WT Deer. Both do make quite the nusiance of themselves.
Personally I'm quite thankful for the abundance of all as I grew up in a time when the populations were quite low.
007,
Check out this gators gone wild video clip...
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/07/27/georgia.alligator.frenzy/#fbid=HyAY...
What got me to thinking about this was the fact that the young geese are now pretty much mature and join the old ones in roaming all over the property here, spreading goose bombs to the point that you have to watch where you walk. There were 26 outside the window earlier, reminded me of when I was a kid and people had range turkeys in the fields. Remember that, Bee? Dated myself there, didn't I? E~WV
Range (yard) turkeys and chickens! The original "pastured" poultry! If only we had known we were in style...
We didn't do too good of a job with the recovery, you can't do too good of a job with that. What we have done is fail to manage the newly abundant populations well. Wild animals prefer wild setting, and when they are just at home and just as abundant on mowed lawns, we have a problem. Just saw a ton of deer feeding along a main suburban artery road in broad daylight. That ain't good.
Geese are a problem up here in Maine. The environmentalist rage on about phosphorus in the lake water but what about the floating turd factories? The state doesn't seem to want to acknowledge the issue and won't allow more birds to be taken daily.
If you will look back, I think you will find that every animal blessed with a hunting season has flourished!
It's the tree huggers that think every deer is Bambi and every dog is Pluto. Feral hogs are NOT Babe either!
Bubba
Ask farmers how they feel about wild turkeys.
EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY CALM DOWN! I HAVE THE SOLUTION!!!!! Why dont we just ask peta? since they obviously know EVERYTHING about animals as well as their numbers and population control and have told us stupid hunters time and time again that hunting is barbaric and doesnt solve or help anything, why dont we just sit back in our caves and try to figure out HoW mAa-Ke FiERR, and let them, in their infinate knowledge and wisdom, come up with the answer?
It is true that we did an excellent job of restoring populations of these species, however, with the decline of the popularity of hunting, as well as lack of any natural predators, geese and deer have proliferated. This is further caused by the growth of suburbia, which is the kind of habitat that deer and geese love. Deer love edge habitat that is broken up into fragments, not unbroken wilderness, therefore, the growing suburban landscape, with no natural predators and not many human hunters (depending on the region), the only thing to keep geese and deer in check is cold weather and lack of food. This is at least why with geese and deer have proliferated. One scientific study I read involved using a very controlled, systematic hunt to control deer populations in CT and it proved to be very effective. Another study involved using border collies at airports to control geese populations. This also proved to be very effective. The problem lies with the general public not understanding conservation efforts and like someone stated above, everyone thinking about Bambi, etc. Unfortunately, I do not know much about alligators, but I assume it may be due to similar issues involving people moving into gator habitat or something of that sort. I hope this helps answer your question!
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I presently reside above the gator and gnat line (basically the same) in GA but we have an abundance of both Geese and WT Deer. Both do make quite the nusiance of themselves.
Personally I'm quite thankful for the abundance of all as I grew up in a time when the populations were quite low.
Good question.. I think that we did too good of a job. These animals that were once rare and now are overpopulated. The geese make a mess everywhere they go, especially snow geese. There are now even jobs to kill these bothersome animals around airports. Where I live, deer get hit every day and the are everywhere.
Many good points here 007 NE-KS
One good example is the snowgoose, now they are causing way to much damage on the enviroment.
007,
Check out this gators gone wild video clip...
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/07/27/georgia.alligator.frenzy/#fbid=HyAY...
What got me to thinking about this was the fact that the young geese are now pretty much mature and join the old ones in roaming all over the property here, spreading goose bombs to the point that you have to watch where you walk. There were 26 outside the window earlier, reminded me of when I was a kid and people had range turkeys in the fields. Remember that, Bee? Dated myself there, didn't I? E~WV
Range (yard) turkeys and chickens! The original "pastured" poultry! If only we had known we were in style...
We didn't do too good of a job with the recovery, you can't do too good of a job with that. What we have done is fail to manage the newly abundant populations well. Wild animals prefer wild setting, and when they are just at home and just as abundant on mowed lawns, we have a problem. Just saw a ton of deer feeding along a main suburban artery road in broad daylight. That ain't good.
Geese are a problem up here in Maine. The environmentalist rage on about phosphorus in the lake water but what about the floating turd factories? The state doesn't seem to want to acknowledge the issue and won't allow more birds to be taken daily.
If you will look back, I think you will find that every animal blessed with a hunting season has flourished!
It's the tree huggers that think every deer is Bambi and every dog is Pluto. Feral hogs are NOT Babe either!
Bubba
It is true that we did an excellent job of restoring populations of these species, however, with the decline of the popularity of hunting, as well as lack of any natural predators, geese and deer have proliferated. This is further caused by the growth of suburbia, which is the kind of habitat that deer and geese love. Deer love edge habitat that is broken up into fragments, not unbroken wilderness, therefore, the growing suburban landscape, with no natural predators and not many human hunters (depending on the region), the only thing to keep geese and deer in check is cold weather and lack of food. This is at least why with geese and deer have proliferated. One scientific study I read involved using a very controlled, systematic hunt to control deer populations in CT and it proved to be very effective. Another study involved using border collies at airports to control geese populations. This also proved to be very effective. The problem lies with the general public not understanding conservation efforts and like someone stated above, everyone thinking about Bambi, etc. Unfortunately, I do not know much about alligators, but I assume it may be due to similar issues involving people moving into gator habitat or something of that sort. I hope this helps answer your question!
Ask farmers how they feel about wild turkeys.
EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY CALM DOWN! I HAVE THE SOLUTION!!!!! Why dont we just ask peta? since they obviously know EVERYTHING about animals as well as their numbers and population control and have told us stupid hunters time and time again that hunting is barbaric and doesnt solve or help anything, why dont we just sit back in our caves and try to figure out HoW mAa-Ke FiERR, and let them, in their infinate knowledge and wisdom, come up with the answer?
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