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If you were to shoot at a target @20 yds, while aiming with a pin meant for a target @30 yds how off on average would you be? The reason I ask is I'm having trouble sighting myself in at 30 yds and wondering if I tinker around at 20, would I be a little more dialed in when I moved my target back to 30.
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Answers (15)
with my 30 yard pin at 20 yards i would be about 1 inch high... last year i used 1 pin from 0-30, i set it in at 25,hit a little low at 30 (1 to 1 1/2") a little high at 20 and 10 and worked fine
Ethan_3 is off a bit. The drop of your arrow depends upon the initial velocity you can generate out of your bow. If you can deliver your arrow at 300 feet per second, over 90 feet or 30 yards, you arrow will drop just over 17.4 inches. At 20 yards or 60 feet, the same arrow out of the same bow will drop 7.7". The difference is nearly 10". If you put your 30 yard pin on a deer that is at 20 yards, you will shoot over his back most likely. If you have a bow that shoots at 250 fps, the arrow will drop 25" in 30 yards. My Bear Carnage shoots around 345 fps. This is why the higher velocity bows are more accurate.
yea maybe more than 1 inch, but i know my bow dont hit 10 inches low!
I carelessly used my 30 yard pin at 20 yards the other evening and was 6-8" high.
CoBowHunter missed the point of the question. While the data he espouses is probably correct, the question remains, how much higher should the poi be at 20 yards to be dead center at 30 yards. Remember that an arrow, like a bullet, starts it's voyage at an incline so that has to be taken into account when sighting. I would say that unless you are shooting a terribly slow bow and a really heavy arrow, that the POI should be between 2-4" high @ 20 yards.
It's pretty much a mute point cause if you can't shoot well enough to sight in a 30 yard pin, you sure as hell don't need to be trying to shoot a deer at 30.
way dont you just sight 20-30-40yds for your pins?
So you shoot 20 pin @ 20, 30 pin @ 30 , 40 pin @ 40.
Don't mess around with guess work. Site in for the correct yardage.
17" at 30yds? That's a lot of drop even at 250fps,,any way. I think what he was trying to figure out was how far he had to drop his pins to get the difference with yardages. 4 pin setup...take your pins and seperate them about the thickness of your pins and that shuld get you within the ball park from your 20 yard pin. 0-60yards is usually within 3/4" pin gap on most modern bows with the correct arrow. Res1956 is right though. If you can't hit the target at 30 yds why would you set up a pin for it!? Try setting your pins up in 5 yd increments instead of 10 yds. Your first pin should be set at 20yds unless you are shooting extremely heavy arrows 2419's, or extremely old equipment that is still shooting under 240fps AMO
i shot my bow and tested this cuz i couldnt below what the guty posted my bow getting right around 300 at 65 lbs with 30 inch draw hits right around 3-4high at 20 yards with 30 yard pn, and i hit right around 5 low using 20 yard pin at 30 i dont know the formula he used but would like to know... and my pins are 20, 30 and 40, and couldnty arrow weight and fieldtip weight affect this drop??
*believe, sorry for all the typos
Well thank you all for the feedback, its not that I have a problem hitting my target as much as my groups weren't nearly as tight as I would have liked. My groups at 20yds I've gotten back down to about 1.5"-2" with fair consistency, but every time I drop back to thirty my groups expand a fair amount, it may not have to do as much with my pin set up as how consistent I am with my anchor point and release, I just simply wanted a rough basis so that if I were to take some shots at 20 I could try to see whats happening more.
JD your problem more than likely is not with your pins but with your set-up. I would take the bow to the nearest shop and have it paper tuned. Also, check to be sure you are shooting the correct weight arrows and length for the draw of your bow. Too light or too long will cause an undue amount of flex in the shaft and subsequent groupings will be erratic. Good Luck!
you also need to be able to take the first shot at 30 or however far accuratley cuz there arent any warmups in the real deal
I guess I'm old fashioned. I first use a 10yd pin and sight in exactly at that yardage. Then sight in a 20yd pin, then a 30 yd pin. When I sight in a 40 yd pin, I would move the 10 yd pin to use for the 40 yd sighting.
My appologies. I understand the question now. You should be about 10" high at 20 yards using your 30 yard pin setting to be dead on at 30 yards. This is assuming you have an initial velocity of 300 fps. 007 said he was 6-8" high, which probably means he is shooting a higher velocity bow of around 350 fps. I hope this helps and I hope its not too late.
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CoBowHunter missed the point of the question. While the data he espouses is probably correct, the question remains, how much higher should the poi be at 20 yards to be dead center at 30 yards. Remember that an arrow, like a bullet, starts it's voyage at an incline so that has to be taken into account when sighting. I would say that unless you are shooting a terribly slow bow and a really heavy arrow, that the POI should be between 2-4" high @ 20 yards.
It's pretty much a mute point cause if you can't shoot well enough to sight in a 30 yard pin, you sure as hell don't need to be trying to shoot a deer at 30.
with my 30 yard pin at 20 yards i would be about 1 inch high... last year i used 1 pin from 0-30, i set it in at 25,hit a little low at 30 (1 to 1 1/2") a little high at 20 and 10 and worked fine
Ethan_3 is off a bit. The drop of your arrow depends upon the initial velocity you can generate out of your bow. If you can deliver your arrow at 300 feet per second, over 90 feet or 30 yards, you arrow will drop just over 17.4 inches. At 20 yards or 60 feet, the same arrow out of the same bow will drop 7.7". The difference is nearly 10". If you put your 30 yard pin on a deer that is at 20 yards, you will shoot over his back most likely. If you have a bow that shoots at 250 fps, the arrow will drop 25" in 30 yards. My Bear Carnage shoots around 345 fps. This is why the higher velocity bows are more accurate.
yea maybe more than 1 inch, but i know my bow dont hit 10 inches low!
way dont you just sight 20-30-40yds for your pins?
So you shoot 20 pin @ 20, 30 pin @ 30 , 40 pin @ 40.
Don't mess around with guess work. Site in for the correct yardage.
17" at 30yds? That's a lot of drop even at 250fps,,any way. I think what he was trying to figure out was how far he had to drop his pins to get the difference with yardages. 4 pin setup...take your pins and seperate them about the thickness of your pins and that shuld get you within the ball park from your 20 yard pin. 0-60yards is usually within 3/4" pin gap on most modern bows with the correct arrow. Res1956 is right though. If you can't hit the target at 30 yds why would you set up a pin for it!? Try setting your pins up in 5 yd increments instead of 10 yds. Your first pin should be set at 20yds unless you are shooting extremely heavy arrows 2419's, or extremely old equipment that is still shooting under 240fps AMO
My appologies. I understand the question now. You should be about 10" high at 20 yards using your 30 yard pin setting to be dead on at 30 yards. This is assuming you have an initial velocity of 300 fps. 007 said he was 6-8" high, which probably means he is shooting a higher velocity bow of around 350 fps. I hope this helps and I hope its not too late.
I carelessly used my 30 yard pin at 20 yards the other evening and was 6-8" high.
i shot my bow and tested this cuz i couldnt below what the guty posted my bow getting right around 300 at 65 lbs with 30 inch draw hits right around 3-4high at 20 yards with 30 yard pn, and i hit right around 5 low using 20 yard pin at 30 i dont know the formula he used but would like to know... and my pins are 20, 30 and 40, and couldnty arrow weight and fieldtip weight affect this drop??
*believe, sorry for all the typos
Well thank you all for the feedback, its not that I have a problem hitting my target as much as my groups weren't nearly as tight as I would have liked. My groups at 20yds I've gotten back down to about 1.5"-2" with fair consistency, but every time I drop back to thirty my groups expand a fair amount, it may not have to do as much with my pin set up as how consistent I am with my anchor point and release, I just simply wanted a rough basis so that if I were to take some shots at 20 I could try to see whats happening more.
JD your problem more than likely is not with your pins but with your set-up. I would take the bow to the nearest shop and have it paper tuned. Also, check to be sure you are shooting the correct weight arrows and length for the draw of your bow. Too light or too long will cause an undue amount of flex in the shaft and subsequent groupings will be erratic. Good Luck!
you also need to be able to take the first shot at 30 or however far accuratley cuz there arent any warmups in the real deal
I guess I'm old fashioned. I first use a 10yd pin and sight in exactly at that yardage. Then sight in a 20yd pin, then a 30 yd pin. When I sight in a 40 yd pin, I would move the 10 yd pin to use for the 40 yd sighting.
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