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I'm new to hunting and want to ask for a gun for my birthday. I've been hunting with my grandpa and uncles for a few years now so I'm kind of familiar with the game. I've been doing countless hours of research trying to figure what caliber to get but still have no idea... I have a decent amount of experience with rifles but want a caliber that is pretty light on recoil. I will be mainly hunting whitetail but would like to have enough fire power to take an elk if I would ever go out west. If you have any ideas share them with me! Thanks!
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I would say 30-06 would be great, but if you're recoil sensitive a .308 will take down an elk with a well placed shot. I'm a bit biased towards the .308 because it's my main caliber, but it's a great round! .30-06, .308, and .270 will most likely be the most popular responses you get, and you really can't go wrong with any of those rounds! Good hunting!
I have posted this link before and I hope it helps.
www.deer30outdoors.com/caliber-selection-for-whitetail-deer/
If it were just for deer, I would suggest the .243 without hesitation, but when you throw elk into the mix, you will want something heavier.
Since you sound very tentative about ever going out west, why don't you settle on a deer rifle for now, and plan on borrowing an elk rifle if the need arises.
If that should be a long way off, you may be able to buy another rifle by then. Good luck.
I would go around and shoot some different calibers, folks at your local gun range will love to help you. From shooting each caliber, you should have a better idea what you want. Its like trying on a pair of jeans. Over all, I think the 30-06 Springfield is a great choice.
NJb123, because you’re new to hunting, I would start out with a single shot rifle. The reason being is new hunters don't take their time to aim and make the first shot count. Newcomers will rush the shot and fire multiple rounds at once and missing or wounding their target.
I would get a 30-06 for elk.
Thank you guys for the great advice! Like I said, I'll mainly be hunting whitetail, I was just thinking ahead about the elk. I'm leaning towards a bolt .308 or .270...
Njb if you are hunting whitetails now then pick a rifle for whitetails,trust me this will not be the last rifle you buy.If you are concerned about recoil a 243 is a clear choice,it will do a great job on deer and other light game and when you get a chance for elk look for that rifle then.The big mistake many of us make is we try to buy to much rifle or to cover to many bases with one gun.Other cal. to look at are 260 Rem and 7mm08,I have heard it said 7mm08 is 270 with short pants!!!
Pmacc60,
Thanks for the helpful advice. I was thinking about the 7mm-08 but kind of concerned about the cost of ammo for that cal. But beside the ammo cost, that would be a great deer rifle as well as varmints.
30-06 is what you want. I shot thirteen elk, more than sixty deer, and six moose with that caliber. Where I hunted elk there were always abundant deer in the area and I was always ready for either one.
Pmacc60 is spot on recommending the 708. You can shoot a good 140 grain bullet for your whitetails, then when you step up to elk, it can push a 160 slug fast enough to be effective out to 200-250 yards. It kicks less than the 270, and will shoot just as flat.
when anyone says elk, i always say minimum .300 win mag.
Not true scratchgolf72, if your using proper ammo a 30-06 has sufficent stopping power for elk within 400-500 yards.
It sounds like a 7mm/08 would do you just fine on all your White Tails Hunting needs, Recoils like a 243 and hits like a 270.
I'd go with a .308. It a great deer round and will work for elk if you understand the distance limitations.
I've never shot an Elk so can't speak with direct experience with those animals. However, the .308 has been excellent for me in dropping whitetail deer and feral pigs. Hits like a .30-06 but with less recoil.
Treestand,--- and?
OK~OK Pmacc60 The 7mm/08 is a 270 in Short Pants.
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Sorry The 308 is a 30/06 in short pants...Hahaha.
Have any of you guys tryed limbsaver recoil pad? Does it reduce a lot of recoil? Some of you guys are strong on the 30-06 and I believe it's a versatile round. However, I'm kind of concerned about the recoil...
Recoil depends a lot on the weight of the gun. Unless you're a little person, a seven to eight pound gun is fine to carry. A gun that weight in 30-06 isn't going to boot you too much.
A 25-06 is light on recoil and is outstanding for deer. It is so light in recoil that you will enjoy plinking and varmint hunting for practice so you get to be a great marksman (especially with the light 75-90 bullets). Although it is on the light side for elk hunting, it will certainly work on elk within about 300 yards using modern premium 120g bullets.
The second choice would be a 30-06 using 130g bullets or reduced loads if necessarry for deer hunting and 110g bullets for plinking and varmint hunting. I am an advocate of allowing beginners to use low recoil rifles so they enjoy the sport and get enough practice to be good. The 25-06 happens to be a rifle that does this very well and yet is powerful enough to be your go-to rifle for the rest of your life. The 30-06 is a very flexible cartridge with more energy if you intend to do a lot of elk hunting.
Njb123,
You have a broad spectrum of rifles and cartridge choices that would satisfy your need, but I think a bolt action .257 Roberts or .25-06 would serve you well. The 6.5x55mm, 7x57mm, 7mm-08 would also be fine choices. The .308 is a very versatile cartridge that is well-suited to a medium-length action and doesn't give up much to the .30-'06, which requires a standard-length action (as does the .25-'06). Have you had an opportunity to try several cartridges, and is there a rifle/cartridge combo that has appealed to you?
I have Simms Limb Saver recoil pads on all of my rifles. My gunsmith says a Simms Limb Saver recoil pad takes as much recoil away as a muzzle brake. After using one for years and years I agree with him.
Some consideration needs to be given to wastage. I was with my buddy when he shot his buck with 25-06 this fall and the lighter bullet made a mess of it! Really was a shame. Many years ago I was also pretty disgusted with the damage and poor "knock down" performance of 165 grain 30-06 used on mule deer and I dropped that bullet weight after half a box. Went back to 180 grains for both deer and elk. I WILL NOT shoot at deer or elk at 300-400 yards. We have been down the road about the reasons for that enough on here. If you feel you might need to be shooting at elk out at that distance (which I don't recommend in any event) then the 300 Win would be the gun for that. But it is heavier and kicks hard so you'll pay the price. A .308 WOULD NOT be the gun for that kind of hunting (doesn't reach and not enough power left at the end of its range) and no one should be shooting at elk with a 25-06. Period. The SKIN on the back of big bulls like the ones in my profile album can be an inch thick! It's still pretty thick over their shoulders. Forget all the blabber about shot placement. There's too many things you can't control when placing a shot with marginal bullets: big bones, wind factor, skin thickness, unexpected movement of animal or shooter, where the bullet will travel after impact, etc., etc. Get the caliber you KNOW will do the job without blowing up the meat or your shoulder. Or letting an animal walk away buggered up.
I can never understand all this wimping about recoil anyway. Really, I can't remember when the last time was I shot more than a half dozen rounds in the field during a season. If you do, something is very wrong! With you, not the gun. If you like playing at the range, then buy another light recoil gun for that purpose (maybe something in black plastic, which seems to be all the rage on the range these days).
Also, it sounds to me like this fella is deer hunting in the east which usually precludes any of the mountain top to mountain top or cross-prairie long shot hunting we are familiar with out west. He's likely going to be doing MOST of his hunting in brushy situations and not long shots. A 25-06 would not be a good choice in that situation and neither would hopped up lightweight bullet larger calibers. Poor performance in heavy cover. A 180 gr 30-06 would be perfect. I suspect he's also blind/stand hunting so a heavier long action rifle isn't going to be an issue since he's not going to be carrying it around all day. If he's worried about recoil the extra weight will be a blessing. Sounds like he will be growing into a big gun anyway.
Thanks guys for more great advice. Ontario Honker, I'll be hunting in western Wisconsin (in between buffalo cand trempeleau county) and the terrain there is pretty hilly. We usually go on a lot of drives but do a decent amount of sitting as well... I'm not really concerned about weight, that's not an issue. I do plan on target shooting as much as possible, that's why I brought up recoil. And I know the 30-06 ammo is pretty cheap so that sounds appealing. I'll keep up the research on the perfect fit for me.
Sarge01, I'll have to look into that...
Keep sharing your thoughts! It's helping me out a lot.
A .270 will do the job especially if you hit the animal in the right area but if want more bang get a 30-6 or .308.
If I were a one-rifle hunter, it would be the .308 Winchester if I was not a handloader and a .280 Remington if I were a handloader. I hunted everything from coyotes to deer to elk with a .308 Win for many years.
Njb123,
There is a lot of good advice here. Contrary to what some of the guys are saying here; if you are recoil sensitive stay away from the 30-06 until you overcome that sensitivity. Otherwise you will develop a flinch. I know, Ive been there done that...bought the t-shirt. I would go with the .308 for several reasons; light to moderate recoil depending on rifle and bullet weight, availability of ammo is outstanding and you can use it on anything from varmints to black bears. I can recommend the 7mm-o8 as well but ammo availability and cost may be an issue.
Also, someone above said that this will not be your only firearm purchase. That is so true. Don't feel that you have to do everything with one gun because you end up compromising. If the majority of your hunting will be whitetail get a whitetail rifle. If you are fortunate enough to hunt elk in the future deal with that then. I like the fact that you want to practice and target shoot, contrary to OHH's comments you will shoot a lot of ammo and if you do that with a rifle that kicks (30-06 or .300 Win Mag) you will feel it. I practice with a soft recoiling rifle like a 22-250 or .308 and hunt with a .270, 308 or 30-06.
I would say a .30-06 also, there are many around that are used but in great shape, also so many weights and bullet styles available it would make a fantastic first rifle, a good all-round caliber that you can shoot forever, you may get new rifles in the future, but you will never outgrow a .30-06!
Safado, thanks for the information. You really helped me out a lot! Your right about the elk. I'm just going to focus on good deer cal.
Well to begin with you're worrying considerably too much about recoil. Don't get me wrong, I, and I can speak for most of the population out here, does not like recoil. They say that those who like recoil also like dental pain, and I don't think that's wrong. That being said, get a .308 winchester. A 30'06 will not have too much recoil. You do not notice recoil in the field, and once you have your rifle sighted in you only need to check it for a zero before the hunt. You're worrying about it too much. Personally, I would get a .308 because of the extensive ammunition options, and it's extremely universal. Good luck and good hunting. Now you get to start researching optics...haha!
Panfry101, optics will be my next post...
Njb123 - You have made the right decision. Congratulations and good luck.
Njb123, there is lots of good advice here. I would second the guys who recommended a .308 or 7mm-08. I also like the .270 as an all around cartidge and I have used mine on elk with good results. Any of the three will give good service. Someone posted above about trying different calibers out first and if you can swing it I promise you will be glad you did. When doing so make sure you factor in the wieght of the rifle you are shooting in evaluating recoil. It makes a big difference.
I am going to respectfully disagree with Panfry in that I think you should practice with your rifle as much as humanly/financially possible especially as a new shooter. It will pay off in the field. Also do not just shoot from the bench. Try sticks, kneeling, etc. Good luck and enjoy whatever you get!
I gave my 12 year old Grandson a Tikka T3 Lite .308 with a Simms Limb Saver recoil pad on it and he loves it. He has killed a couple deer with it and he says the recoil is nil. The choice of bullets for the .308 is endless. I had put a Nikon 3X9X50 Buckmaster scope on it. I have 5 or 6 Nikon Buckmaster scopes and they have served me fine even on some hard recoiling rifles. The Tikka T3 Lite only weighs 6 1/2 pounds minus the scope.
When the first time I shot a 30-06 I think I was twelve or thirteen I was expecting way more recoil, but it was less than 12ga turkey mags. It's not a whole lot more than a 30-30. If I could only have on caliber it would be the 30-06.
What Rifle and model do you have in mind?
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I would say 30-06 would be great, but if you're recoil sensitive a .308 will take down an elk with a well placed shot. I'm a bit biased towards the .308 because it's my main caliber, but it's a great round! .30-06, .308, and .270 will most likely be the most popular responses you get, and you really can't go wrong with any of those rounds! Good hunting!
It sounds like a 7mm/08 would do you just fine on all your White Tails Hunting needs, Recoils like a 243 and hits like a 270.
A 25-06 is light on recoil and is outstanding for deer. It is so light in recoil that you will enjoy plinking and varmint hunting for practice so you get to be a great marksman (especially with the light 75-90 bullets). Although it is on the light side for elk hunting, it will certainly work on elk within about 300 yards using modern premium 120g bullets.
The second choice would be a 30-06 using 130g bullets or reduced loads if necessarry for deer hunting and 110g bullets for plinking and varmint hunting. I am an advocate of allowing beginners to use low recoil rifles so they enjoy the sport and get enough practice to be good. The 25-06 happens to be a rifle that does this very well and yet is powerful enough to be your go-to rifle for the rest of your life. The 30-06 is a very flexible cartridge with more energy if you intend to do a lot of elk hunting.
If I were a one-rifle hunter, it would be the .308 Winchester if I was not a handloader and a .280 Remington if I were a handloader. I hunted everything from coyotes to deer to elk with a .308 Win for many years.
Njb123,
There is a lot of good advice here. Contrary to what some of the guys are saying here; if you are recoil sensitive stay away from the 30-06 until you overcome that sensitivity. Otherwise you will develop a flinch. I know, Ive been there done that...bought the t-shirt. I would go with the .308 for several reasons; light to moderate recoil depending on rifle and bullet weight, availability of ammo is outstanding and you can use it on anything from varmints to black bears. I can recommend the 7mm-o8 as well but ammo availability and cost may be an issue.
Also, someone above said that this will not be your only firearm purchase. That is so true. Don't feel that you have to do everything with one gun because you end up compromising. If the majority of your hunting will be whitetail get a whitetail rifle. If you are fortunate enough to hunt elk in the future deal with that then. I like the fact that you want to practice and target shoot, contrary to OHH's comments you will shoot a lot of ammo and if you do that with a rifle that kicks (30-06 or .300 Win Mag) you will feel it. I practice with a soft recoiling rifle like a 22-250 or .308 and hunt with a .270, 308 or 30-06.
Safado, thanks for the information. You really helped me out a lot! Your right about the elk. I'm just going to focus on good deer cal.
I have posted this link before and I hope it helps.
www.deer30outdoors.com/caliber-selection-for-whitetail-deer/
Njb if you are hunting whitetails now then pick a rifle for whitetails,trust me this will not be the last rifle you buy.If you are concerned about recoil a 243 is a clear choice,it will do a great job on deer and other light game and when you get a chance for elk look for that rifle then.The big mistake many of us make is we try to buy to much rifle or to cover to many bases with one gun.Other cal. to look at are 260 Rem and 7mm08,I have heard it said 7mm08 is 270 with short pants!!!
30-06 is what you want. I shot thirteen elk, more than sixty deer, and six moose with that caliber. Where I hunted elk there were always abundant deer in the area and I was always ready for either one.
Not true scratchgolf72, if your using proper ammo a 30-06 has sufficent stopping power for elk within 400-500 yards.
I'd go with a .308. It a great deer round and will work for elk if you understand the distance limitations.
Treestand,--- and?
OK~OK Pmacc60 The 7mm/08 is a 270 in Short Pants.
+ 1 4-U
Sorry The 308 is a 30/06 in short pants...Hahaha.
Thanks guys for more great advice. Ontario Honker, I'll be hunting in western Wisconsin (in between buffalo cand trempeleau county) and the terrain there is pretty hilly. We usually go on a lot of drives but do a decent amount of sitting as well... I'm not really concerned about weight, that's not an issue. I do plan on target shooting as much as possible, that's why I brought up recoil. And I know the 30-06 ammo is pretty cheap so that sounds appealing. I'll keep up the research on the perfect fit for me.
Sarge01, I'll have to look into that...
Keep sharing your thoughts! It's helping me out a lot.
Well to begin with you're worrying considerably too much about recoil. Don't get me wrong, I, and I can speak for most of the population out here, does not like recoil. They say that those who like recoil also like dental pain, and I don't think that's wrong. That being said, get a .308 winchester. A 30'06 will not have too much recoil. You do not notice recoil in the field, and once you have your rifle sighted in you only need to check it for a zero before the hunt. You're worrying about it too much. Personally, I would get a .308 because of the extensive ammunition options, and it's extremely universal. Good luck and good hunting. Now you get to start researching optics...haha!
Njb123 - You have made the right decision. Congratulations and good luck.
If it were just for deer, I would suggest the .243 without hesitation, but when you throw elk into the mix, you will want something heavier.
Since you sound very tentative about ever going out west, why don't you settle on a deer rifle for now, and plan on borrowing an elk rifle if the need arises.
If that should be a long way off, you may be able to buy another rifle by then. Good luck.
I would go around and shoot some different calibers, folks at your local gun range will love to help you. From shooting each caliber, you should have a better idea what you want. Its like trying on a pair of jeans. Over all, I think the 30-06 Springfield is a great choice.
NJb123, because you’re new to hunting, I would start out with a single shot rifle. The reason being is new hunters don't take their time to aim and make the first shot count. Newcomers will rush the shot and fire multiple rounds at once and missing or wounding their target.
I would get a 30-06 for elk.
Thank you guys for the great advice! Like I said, I'll mainly be hunting whitetail, I was just thinking ahead about the elk. I'm leaning towards a bolt .308 or .270...
Pmacc60,
Thanks for the helpful advice. I was thinking about the 7mm-08 but kind of concerned about the cost of ammo for that cal. But beside the ammo cost, that would be a great deer rifle as well as varmints.
Pmacc60 is spot on recommending the 708. You can shoot a good 140 grain bullet for your whitetails, then when you step up to elk, it can push a 160 slug fast enough to be effective out to 200-250 yards. It kicks less than the 270, and will shoot just as flat.
I've never shot an Elk so can't speak with direct experience with those animals. However, the .308 has been excellent for me in dropping whitetail deer and feral pigs. Hits like a .30-06 but with less recoil.
Have any of you guys tryed limbsaver recoil pad? Does it reduce a lot of recoil? Some of you guys are strong on the 30-06 and I believe it's a versatile round. However, I'm kind of concerned about the recoil...
Recoil depends a lot on the weight of the gun. Unless you're a little person, a seven to eight pound gun is fine to carry. A gun that weight in 30-06 isn't going to boot you too much.
Njb123,
You have a broad spectrum of rifles and cartridge choices that would satisfy your need, but I think a bolt action .257 Roberts or .25-06 would serve you well. The 6.5x55mm, 7x57mm, 7mm-08 would also be fine choices. The .308 is a very versatile cartridge that is well-suited to a medium-length action and doesn't give up much to the .30-'06, which requires a standard-length action (as does the .25-'06). Have you had an opportunity to try several cartridges, and is there a rifle/cartridge combo that has appealed to you?
I have Simms Limb Saver recoil pads on all of my rifles. My gunsmith says a Simms Limb Saver recoil pad takes as much recoil away as a muzzle brake. After using one for years and years I agree with him.
Some consideration needs to be given to wastage. I was with my buddy when he shot his buck with 25-06 this fall and the lighter bullet made a mess of it! Really was a shame. Many years ago I was also pretty disgusted with the damage and poor "knock down" performance of 165 grain 30-06 used on mule deer and I dropped that bullet weight after half a box. Went back to 180 grains for both deer and elk. I WILL NOT shoot at deer or elk at 300-400 yards. We have been down the road about the reasons for that enough on here. If you feel you might need to be shooting at elk out at that distance (which I don't recommend in any event) then the 300 Win would be the gun for that. But it is heavier and kicks hard so you'll pay the price. A .308 WOULD NOT be the gun for that kind of hunting (doesn't reach and not enough power left at the end of its range) and no one should be shooting at elk with a 25-06. Period. The SKIN on the back of big bulls like the ones in my profile album can be an inch thick! It's still pretty thick over their shoulders. Forget all the blabber about shot placement. There's too many things you can't control when placing a shot with marginal bullets: big bones, wind factor, skin thickness, unexpected movement of animal or shooter, where the bullet will travel after impact, etc., etc. Get the caliber you KNOW will do the job without blowing up the meat or your shoulder. Or letting an animal walk away buggered up.
I can never understand all this wimping about recoil anyway. Really, I can't remember when the last time was I shot more than a half dozen rounds in the field during a season. If you do, something is very wrong! With you, not the gun. If you like playing at the range, then buy another light recoil gun for that purpose (maybe something in black plastic, which seems to be all the rage on the range these days).
Also, it sounds to me like this fella is deer hunting in the east which usually precludes any of the mountain top to mountain top or cross-prairie long shot hunting we are familiar with out west. He's likely going to be doing MOST of his hunting in brushy situations and not long shots. A 25-06 would not be a good choice in that situation and neither would hopped up lightweight bullet larger calibers. Poor performance in heavy cover. A 180 gr 30-06 would be perfect. I suspect he's also blind/stand hunting so a heavier long action rifle isn't going to be an issue since he's not going to be carrying it around all day. If he's worried about recoil the extra weight will be a blessing. Sounds like he will be growing into a big gun anyway.
A .270 will do the job especially if you hit the animal in the right area but if want more bang get a 30-6 or .308.
I would say a .30-06 also, there are many around that are used but in great shape, also so many weights and bullet styles available it would make a fantastic first rifle, a good all-round caliber that you can shoot forever, you may get new rifles in the future, but you will never outgrow a .30-06!
Panfry101, optics will be my next post...
Njb123, there is lots of good advice here. I would second the guys who recommended a .308 or 7mm-08. I also like the .270 as an all around cartidge and I have used mine on elk with good results. Any of the three will give good service. Someone posted above about trying different calibers out first and if you can swing it I promise you will be glad you did. When doing so make sure you factor in the wieght of the rifle you are shooting in evaluating recoil. It makes a big difference.
I am going to respectfully disagree with Panfry in that I think you should practice with your rifle as much as humanly/financially possible especially as a new shooter. It will pay off in the field. Also do not just shoot from the bench. Try sticks, kneeling, etc. Good luck and enjoy whatever you get!
I gave my 12 year old Grandson a Tikka T3 Lite .308 with a Simms Limb Saver recoil pad on it and he loves it. He has killed a couple deer with it and he says the recoil is nil. The choice of bullets for the .308 is endless. I had put a Nikon 3X9X50 Buckmaster scope on it. I have 5 or 6 Nikon Buckmaster scopes and they have served me fine even on some hard recoiling rifles. The Tikka T3 Lite only weighs 6 1/2 pounds minus the scope.
When the first time I shot a 30-06 I think I was twelve or thirteen I was expecting way more recoil, but it was less than 12ga turkey mags. It's not a whole lot more than a 30-30. If I could only have on caliber it would be the 30-06.
What Rifle and model do you have in mind?
when anyone says elk, i always say minimum .300 win mag.
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