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Indiana just proposed a number of changes to the deer hunting regulations - mainly to pander to the trophy hunters - but one of the proposed changes concerns the maximum case length for allowable rifle cartridges. The allowable cartridges requirements are: minimum bullet diameter: .357 inches minimum case length: 1.16 inches maximum case lenght: being changed from 1.625 inches to 1.8 inches My question: Anyone done the research to know what cartridges that were previously illegal will now be allowed?

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from sgaredneck wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Wow. Sounds like to me that would rule out a lot of stuff. Where do they have this info posted? You say it's proposed - so this has or hasn't gone into effect yet?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Bryan, need to go back to recheck the regulation proposals, what you described is for handgun not rifle or someone really Moosed Up!

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from Dbetzner wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Clay, Im also from Indiana, indiana only alows usage of a rifle that fires a handgun round im about to double check this guys facts though on some other things

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from jay wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

I thought Indiana was a no rifle deer state like Illinois.

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from Dbetzner wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

just went through my hunting guide nothing seems to have changed since last year...

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from Bryan01 wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

These are proposed rule changes - they have not yet been put into place. I'm guessing they won't be effective for this deer season but the following year (2011-12).

Clay, Indiana only allows shotgun slugs and pistol cartridges for deer season. It was only a few years ago that they first started allowing pistol cartridges. Almost all of the popular rifle cartridges are excluded by the regulations. The reason I'm asking this question is because I'm wondering if it will open the door to a more "rifle" like cartridge that would justify the purchase of a new gun.

A summary of the rule changes can be found at:
http://www.state.in.us/dnr/fishwild/2362.htm

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from Bryan01 wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

A discussion of the allowable cartridges can be found at:

http://www.state.in.us/dnr/fishwild/files/fw-Deer_Hunting_Equipment.pdf

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from i_m_bob wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

I think at least one more cartridge the change will add to the list of permitted cartridges is the 460 S&W.

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from sgaredneck wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Wow. That's astounding. A 38-40 (equal to or less energy than a .45ACP according to my ballistics calculator, even in a rifle) is allowed, but a 30-30 is not......What is the reasoning and logic behind this?

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

They are too close to Obama-Holder Land! LOL

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from Bryan01 wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

sgaredneck, I think the supposed "logic" underlying these regulations is based on "safety" - I think the powers-that-be don't want to permit the use of any cartridges with long-range accuracy and thereby force people to only take shots within a limited range of no more than about 200 yards

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from Bryan01 wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

i_m_bob, thanks for the info, I'll have to look into that cartridge and see if it is worth ditching my 12 guage slugs

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from Dbetzner wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

bryan01 I have a lot of friends who use lever 44 mags with great results. the intent of the handgun only/slug gun is basicaly indiana is flat with a lot of open farm land the idea is that if you limit range you limit the chance of a missed shot hiting an unintended target(neghboring cattle, farm buildings... farmers...)

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from shane wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

If the hunters in Indiana are anything like the ones in OH, these safety concerns are legitimate. Come to OH on opening day of deer gun season and tell me if you want these guys to have rifles...

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from Uncle jimbo wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

If accepted, these regulations woudl indeed make the 460 a legal rifle cartridge...

As it would the 50 Beowulf, 450 Bushmaster, 401 Winchester, and several Wildcats - notably the 358 WSSM and 375/416 Whisper (308 bolt face).

The 358 WSSM and Whisper rounds are an easy build, as many common bolt guns could be converted with a simple barrel swap.

From the results of the public hearing, it looks like the beurocrats are going to push this regulatory change through despite the hunter outcry over shortened firearms and muzzle loader seasons...

It looks like the AR-15 is about to get VERY popular for deer in Indiana - the 458 SOCOM was already legal and shortly the 50 Beowulf and 450 Bushmaster maybe as well, giving the AR hunter 3 valid factory cartridges.

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from shane wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

If the hunters in Indiana are anything like the ones in OH, these safety concerns are legitimate. Come to OH on opening day of deer gun season and tell me if you want these guys to have rifles...

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from Dbetzner wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

bryan01 I have a lot of friends who use lever 44 mags with great results. the intent of the handgun only/slug gun is basicaly indiana is flat with a lot of open farm land the idea is that if you limit range you limit the chance of a missed shot hiting an unintended target(neghboring cattle, farm buildings... farmers...)

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from Bryan01 wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

A discussion of the allowable cartridges can be found at:

http://www.state.in.us/dnr/fishwild/files/fw-Deer_Hunting_Equipment.pdf

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from i_m_bob wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

I think at least one more cartridge the change will add to the list of permitted cartridges is the 460 S&W.

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from sgaredneck wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Wow. Sounds like to me that would rule out a lot of stuff. Where do they have this info posted? You say it's proposed - so this has or hasn't gone into effect yet?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Bryan, need to go back to recheck the regulation proposals, what you described is for handgun not rifle or someone really Moosed Up!

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from Dbetzner wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Clay, Im also from Indiana, indiana only alows usage of a rifle that fires a handgun round im about to double check this guys facts though on some other things

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from jay wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

I thought Indiana was a no rifle deer state like Illinois.

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from Dbetzner wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

just went through my hunting guide nothing seems to have changed since last year...

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from Bryan01 wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

These are proposed rule changes - they have not yet been put into place. I'm guessing they won't be effective for this deer season but the following year (2011-12).

Clay, Indiana only allows shotgun slugs and pistol cartridges for deer season. It was only a few years ago that they first started allowing pistol cartridges. Almost all of the popular rifle cartridges are excluded by the regulations. The reason I'm asking this question is because I'm wondering if it will open the door to a more "rifle" like cartridge that would justify the purchase of a new gun.

A summary of the rule changes can be found at:
http://www.state.in.us/dnr/fishwild/2362.htm

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from sgaredneck wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Wow. That's astounding. A 38-40 (equal to or less energy than a .45ACP according to my ballistics calculator, even in a rifle) is allowed, but a 30-30 is not......What is the reasoning and logic behind this?

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

They are too close to Obama-Holder Land! LOL

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from Bryan01 wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

sgaredneck, I think the supposed "logic" underlying these regulations is based on "safety" - I think the powers-that-be don't want to permit the use of any cartridges with long-range accuracy and thereby force people to only take shots within a limited range of no more than about 200 yards

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from Bryan01 wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

i_m_bob, thanks for the info, I'll have to look into that cartridge and see if it is worth ditching my 12 guage slugs

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from Uncle jimbo wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

If accepted, these regulations woudl indeed make the 460 a legal rifle cartridge...

As it would the 50 Beowulf, 450 Bushmaster, 401 Winchester, and several Wildcats - notably the 358 WSSM and 375/416 Whisper (308 bolt face).

The 358 WSSM and Whisper rounds are an easy build, as many common bolt guns could be converted with a simple barrel swap.

From the results of the public hearing, it looks like the beurocrats are going to push this regulatory change through despite the hunter outcry over shortened firearms and muzzle loader seasons...

It looks like the AR-15 is about to get VERY popular for deer in Indiana - the 458 SOCOM was already legal and shortly the 50 Beowulf and 450 Bushmaster maybe as well, giving the AR hunter 3 valid factory cartridges.

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