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Question by crp1121. Uploaded on November 05, 2010
I would say hundreds of thousands of deer have been taken cleanly with the 30/30. Quite a few elk as well in days of old have no doublt expired from a hit from the old thurty-thurty.
For hunting woodlots for deer there are few cartridges that balance killing power and lack of recoil in a fast handling rifle like the 30/30 usually comes in. It will also do a good job on Black Bear under the same conditions.
As an Elk gun it will do in the timber in the hands of a cool shot who can place the bullet where it needs to be. It would not be found on very many list of Elk cartridges though.
In my opinion it is a cartridge for deer, feral swine and black bear where shots are 150 yards or less.
The ole thutty thutty is an excellent choice for deer in heavily wooden areas, and has probably accounted for more deer than any other caliber.
It is more than adequate for average-sized black bear with careful bullet placement, but it would be marginal for anything bigger.
The .30/30 is excellent for deer. I think that you could kill just about anything on earth with a .30/30 and enough shots. Personally, I would want something with more downrange energy for elk, moose, and the larger bears. There's no way I would take a .30/30 to Africa...
Saw a bison killed, one shot on Versus TV closed up under controlled conditons by an excellent shot. All that said I would stick to deer if I was an average shot in real life.
Ditto what Bee said with the exception of elk due to my lack of experience with that species. For white tails and black bear, it's as good as anything out there with a good 150 or 170 grain bullet. Put it in a 14" TC Contender barrel with a good handload (my son loads 150 grain Nosler ballistic tips) and you have a top drawer deer round as well. Winchester definately hit that one out of the park those many years ago.
It doesn't take much to take deer when cleanly hit with a .30-30 Win. I just observe that the .30-30 doesn't bring much to the dance out past 150 yards in terms of velocity/energy for bigger critters like elk and such. Past that, hire a good tracker...
I've witnessed the Locals in Alaska drop Moose in there tracks with 30-30 with 170 grain.
black bear deer easy up to 200 yards
The .30-30 is a good choice as a deer cartridge. Larger game has been taken with it, of course. I'm very pleased with my Model 94 in .30-30, which I've had for some time, and have equipped it with a receiver sight, but I've never taken anything larger than deer with it.
The .30-.30 has certainly taken a large percentage of the deer that have been taken. It does depend on your hunting conditions though. I have hunted muleys where you expect shots from 100-300 yards as normal shots. For these, a flatter shooting rifle makes it easier. Hunting in a timber within 100 yards, the .30-.30 is great for deer. Within 50-100 yards, it will take something as big as elk or moose however a faster bullet would make it easier.
I'd be fairly comfortable taking any game in North America or South America for that matter. Grizzly bear included. Is in Ideal? H$!! NO. Is it possible? Absolutely! To prove the point. I'll tell a short story. That may or may not be entirely accurate due to the fact that the teller had a wee bit more whiskey than necessary to tell a good whopper, but I digress.
Here go's nothin. An Alaskan native was guiding two hunters on a moose hunt. After two days they paddled their canoe within 50 yards of two large moose. The hunters were not hunters but business men who bought expensive rifles and thought that the guns would practically shoot themselves, and that killing moose would be shooting fish in a barrel. So as the paddled up in the natives canoe he whispered "shoot" so they did, and those two model 70's started booming, but the moose ran off unharmed. The dimayed would be moose killers yelled at the guide to go finish the things off. So the guide jumped out of the canoe, and fan over the small ridge that the moose went over he saw the moose going into a patch of woods at the base of a hill. the native went around the other side in hopes of getting in front of them, and catching them in a funnel. He got there just in time to see the two moose. Breathing heavily the native leaned against a tree and fired two shots from his winchester 94 30/30 killing both moose instantly, both shots supposedly broke the bull's spines.
The 30-30 is a fine deer and black bear rifle but as most everyone knows it is definitely not a good long range choice and that is the problem. If you are not tempted to use this round beyond the 125 yard mark you will be happy with the results but a lot of animals are wounded with broken front legs because people are tempted to take shots that are way to long. The low velocity and blunt bullet shape lead to considerable drop from aiming point at even 200 yards. I consider the 30-30 one of the all time great cartridges and us it in a Winchester M-94 with receiver sight for a whole lot of hunting.
You need to read the story of Wally Johnson in the book "The Last Ivory Hunter!"
When he started hunting in Africa, he and a companion routinely took LION with the only rifle they had. A MOD 94 WINCHESTER .30-30!
Kinda like "Karamojo" Bell and the little .256(?) and elephants!
Amazing how something works until somebody tells you it won't!
Great deer bullet also try the new hornady lever revolution believe it or not they have rubber ballistic tips and also they are pointed and they are very accurate.
First Bubba, the round Karamojo used to kill 100+ elephants was a 6.5 Mannlicher/Schoenauer (called a .256 Mannlicher in Britain and the US) with 160 grain FMJ bullets. Through and through skull shots... S.D. is what kills with rounds like that.
my dads first gun was a old 30/30 lever action and he has killed plenty of deer and some elk with it they are great guns...
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