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Question by Chewylouie. Uploaded on December 05, 2012
a few miles...
depends on the range you are able to practice and the quality of your scope, not to mention your ability. It's range is quite a ways.
Maximum Point Blank Range (+/- 3" from line of sight) with that load is 273yds which is a good limit to set for yourself. If you can't get within 275yds of a deer then maybe you should practice your hunting skills as well.
That number should in no way be construed as blanket permission to shoot that far. You need to practice from hunting positions to see if you can still shoot MOP at that distance. Understanding how wind affects your bullet might not hurt either.
i dont shoot over 300 yds no matter what im shooting.
Following my own guidance of having sufficient velocity to initiate expansion and enough energy to ensure penetration, about 400 yards would be max for that load. Will it kill out farther? Sure it will, but 400 yards is a fair poke for a load that drops 24.5 inches from a 200 yards zero or 31.6 inches from a 100 yard zero. If you can consistently hit a paper plate with it from that range, then you are good to go. I just had my .30-06 at the range in October and hit the 200 and 300 yard gongs dead center with a 165 load. I'm confident at that range, but not much farther since I don't practice out that far. Good luck!
I think that a good test of any estimate would be to set up a deer silhouette target at 200 yards and take a shot from a rest. If it's in the kill zone, try again at 300 yards. Then you'll probably know for sure what your maximum range is.
It's the Indian, not the arrow.
Good answer chuckles on the technical answer all he has to do is add in his physical ability and how much he is willing to practice to become profficient with his firearm.
I agree with the "maximum point blank" answer chuckles gave. It requires no holdover or bullet drop compensation. It does however require a properly zeroed rifle and first-hand knowledge of the ballistics of a given load in a given rifle. I have never shot a deer past 300 yds with my .06 and never will.
Good answers all. The only thing I would add is to try some Nosler Ballistic Tips to replace your Core-Lokts. A more aerodynamic bullet, better BC, bucks wind better, and kills like the Hammer of Thor.
For deer and pronghorn, most certainly. For elk or larger, not the best.
Thanks Sarge01. It has always seemed like a good concept to me. I have only taken one animal at longer ranges and I would not repeat the experience.
Most of my rifles are now zeroed at 100yds for the hunting I do in MN. There is only one spot I rifle hunt that offers shots over 100. Most places you can't see more than 50 and if you can you would be shooting through the brush.
I am working on an elk hunt for 2013 and hopefully the .270 will get out of the safe again. On a good day (for me) it will shoot MOA out to 300yds off the bench.
steve182, did you ever get the .257 Roberts out to play this year?
With the shots that we have here in the mountains I sight every rifle I have dead on at 100 yards. It has worked for me so far so why change. My long shot is probably 150 yards and the 100 yard zero works.
Chuckles. I had the Shaw at the range late this summer. shot around 1" with a couple diff factory loads. Due to family crisis i did not get in the deer woods with a rifle this fall. I was able to take a couple with my bow in Oct. and Nov. at home but did not travel to hunt deer this year. Next year. If i remember your Shaw did well on bear at close range. Did you do any shooting beyond that? I'm looking forward to winter bow here. Regards.
Killed two cow elk with NBTs, but agree that they are not the best. Would recommend the Accubond for elk, they shoot to the same point of impact in my rifle, and are a much tougher bullet.
Hiya steve, I did get it down to the range about an hour from my house. As I have mentioned before, it does not seem to like the 180gr Barnes TTSX which shoots in the 2-2 1/2" range at 100yds. It does fine for the close shots on bear with that load but I had kinda hoped to use that as an elk load with the .308 as a backup to the .270.
I was not able to find the 165/168gr Barnes in either Vortx or Federal loadings but the 150gr TTSX shot one MOA group during the session which gives me some hope. I am hoping the 165/168gr loads will do the same as I would use them for elk.
I am puzzled by the performance of the 180's, I even bought the rifle with a 1in10 twist specifically to shoot heavier bullets. I really hope to get into reloading at some point and maybe will be able to find a load that tightens up the 180gr bullet. Come on Powerball!
I hope the family situation resolved OK. Merry Christmas to you and yours!
Sarge01 a Merry Christmas to you and yours as well. I have noticed that granpa's have a lot of fun at Christmas.
Merry Christmas to you and yes Granddads have a lot of fun at Christmas especially when one of the grandkids is obcessed with hunting like granddad. He is starting to want to learn the reloading process also. He is 12 years old and has killed 6 deer with a gun and 2 with a bow. I gave him one of my Tikkas and this year he killed a nice 7 point with it. He would rather hunt than eat when he is hungry. My other Son-in-law has a Stevens 200 .223 and my granddaughter killed a 5 point with his rifle. It seems like the grandkids are starting off in the right direction. The other 2 hunted but didn't have any success.
I'd like to add!
A lot further than you need to be shooting at deer.
As WAM said, 400 yards is a typical max range for shooting deer with a 30-06. Unless you have a competition rifle, most over-the-counter rifles are not accurate enough to count on beyond that range. Most of these rifles combined with the inaccuracies of their scopes shoot around 1.5-2 inch groups at 100 yards. That equates to about an 8-10 inch group at 400 yards or 4-5 inches either way around your point of aim. When you add 10 inches of drift per 10mph of cross wind for that bullet, it makes the shot iffy for most average hunters. When you finalize that plan with a shakey gun rest, a high pull weight trigger and an excited shooter, you are really not taking an ethical shot. With all these variables, it is wise to limit your deer shooting to more like 300 yards.
The 30-06 has plenty of energy to deck a deer at 500 yards if it is shot in a vital zone. With an exceptional .25 MOA or better rifle, a zero parallax scope, a really good bullet, tuned loads and a lot of practice with wind drift and ballistics, a hunter could consider that range.
Chuckles. Merry Christmas to you and your gang too. I may get to the Mountains around the holidays and if so will def put the .257 on the range. Won't do anymore hunting till Jan. winter bow, and that will be sporadic trophy hunting. freezer's full. Perhaps some "barrel break in" will complement our rifles.
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