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Dilema...My father and brother don't get to hunt as much as I do, so when we go out together I tell them the best places to hunt and give them my "Top" or best spots where they will get to harvest a deer. My brother then goes and hunts somewhere else and then tells me later he was able to see the spot where I told him to sit from a distance too far to shoot and there were three deer, one of which would have been the biggest buck any of us have gotten, right next to the tree I told him to sit at. He has done this before and my dad has done similar things as well, so my question is do I keep being selfless and giving my top spots to the them even though they may not use them? Or do I just take the spot I deem the best one? Keep in mind I by no means fill my tag each year and my biggest buck to date is a 6 point.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 25 weeks 3 days ago

That's a tough one. Just this season I put a friend on one of my top spots and he ended up elsewhere, a couple hundred yards away. I watched 7 elk, including 4 bulls, lounge around in front of the spot I sent him from a distance after daylight. Unfortunately, it was too far away for me to shoot. Do I regret it? No, it was his loss not mine. Would I do it differently next time? I'll have to think about that one...

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from deerhunterrick wrote 25 weeks 3 days ago

My answer to you is,don't give any hunting advice you don't get paid for. I used to do the same thing. Hunt after hunt I would set somebody up in the best spot and take what came my way. Mind you,I still got my deer,but I gave my best producers away free.Then my spot produced a giant 186 5/8" buck,from my hung stand and I never even got a thank you out of the deal.I worked hard for that deer and gave it away. That's when I started charging for my services. I started by going to guide school and getting hired through a company in Michigan in 1981 to guide trips, been doing so since. Now when I offer advice it's because I get paid to be right. If I offer advice for free and it is turned down,I don't offer a second time. They most know more then I do about where we are hunting. My oppinion is just my oppinion, but if they know more then you do,let them do all their own hard work to prove you wrong. Oh,,this was free by the way. Good hunting.. Stay safe..All my Ind/Ohio/Mich friends..Hope you weather this storm tonight

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from RES1956 wrote 25 weeks 3 days ago

Can't fix stupid with duct tape,,,, If they are not smart enough to follow GOOD advice, quit giving it.

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from tneal1987 wrote 25 weeks 3 days ago

I enjoyputting my friends and family on large game and when they screw it up it is no ones fault but their own therefore, do what you feel is right, if you want to keep giving up your good spots then by all means do it, if you want to get the deer for yourself then by all means do it.

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from Ol Krusty wrote 25 weeks 3 days ago

Not sure I would worry too much about it unless they start telling other folks of your "Honey Hole" then put a end to it.

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from bruisedsausage wrote 25 weeks 3 days ago

My brother use to do the same thing. When he was younger I would take him out with me, and set him up on some of my best spots. All to no avail, because he wouldn't appreciate it, and blow it off saying that no animals would show up. After a couple of years I was about to throw in the towel, but took him out and set him up on my favorite ambush site. About 45 minutes later I heard the report of his rifle. When I got over to him he was about as excited as a 5yr old on christmas morning. His legs were shaking as he walked up to me, and all he kept saying is, Big Buck, Big Buck, Big Buck. This repeated many times. LOL Turned out his first buck, was a massive 4X5(or 9 point) It was a little unusual to, as the G2 had been damaged during velvet and was pointing down like a droptine.

Later after retrieving it, he told me he knew that nothing would walk by so he was carving a stick with his knife and happened to hear a stick break and looked up to see this buck making a rub on a poor little fir tree.

I guess what I'm getting at, is don't give up. They will come around. Sometimes I think people are stubborn and want to do it their way. And that's O.K. They just might not get anything.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 25 weeks 3 days ago

Year after year, I try to give hunting partners some benefit of my experience on the land where we elk hunt. Most of the guys are experienced hunters, so I try not to say too much. I don't worry about someone telling about my "honey holes" because my partner and I have the lease locked in. I do enjoy sharing the experience with friends, old and new!

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from ADKHunter wrote 25 weeks 3 days ago

outdoorenvy u are every selfless many hunters wont do what u do and i thank u for that. but heres what u do lets say if u hunt together 3 times a year then u take that great hunting spot one time then put your father and brother in it the other 2 times this way u and ur brother and dad have equal chances at trophy deer now u dont settle and u still let them hunt that great spot

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from scratchgolf72 wrote 25 weeks 3 days ago

when i got my one buddy into hunting, who is now my official hunting partner, i used to put him in the good spots to help him get his first deer or two under his belt. after i showed him the ropes i made him find his own places on the properties we would hunt. i figured if i kept bottle feeding him he would never learn. on occasion we would hunt pheasants and i would just let him run the hunt, tell me where to go, what the plan was. hes got the hang of it now.

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from Phil1227 wrote 25 weeks 3 days ago

If you put in the time to scout the area then by all means you should have the right to hunt the spot that you think is best.
I have a similar situation with my dad, I have my spot picked out and point him in the direction I think would be the next best.

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from fliphuntr14 wrote 25 weeks 2 days ago

with young kids I won't bring them to the best spot in the woods because I think in order to respect it you have to work at it alittle. I put my brothers friend in my bow stand for a youth gun hunt and told him the doe (his first deer ever after hunting 2 years) would show up around 5;30pm and not to shoot the fawn that was with her or if it came in first. Well 5;30 he shoots twice, and I was about 150 yards away and when I walked up he said he thinks he shot two. Well of course he did the fawn was confused and hung around. I refuse to put someone in that spot with a gun again. I have scouted spots for other friends and there are a few people I wouldn't mind setting up but I give pretty clear directions. My uncle puts me in a spot on his property I don't move unless I've discussed it with him, I really trust his advice and its much easier to find a deer in an area you know.

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from Beekeeper wrote 25 weeks 2 days ago

WAM,

If I get that long straw again I know where I'm going and I know where to set up!

RES,

Ditto!

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from steve182 wrote 25 weeks 2 days ago

Give them your second and third best spots from now on, or better yet send them to new unproven spots. they can be your scouts.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 25 weeks 2 days ago

Bee,

LOL!

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from finnyk wrote 25 weeks 2 days ago

If it were anyone other than family, I would say just leave them to their own devices. Maybe I am just a sucker for family, but I tend to feel a little more loyalty to family than to anyone else. You might think about it this way; if you tell them 100 times not to touch a hot stove, and they do it anyway - would you still take them to the emergency room if they needed it? If you would - keep giving them the spot, if not - leave them to their own devices.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 25 weeks 2 days ago

Bee --

I'll help you drag!

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from DakotaMan wrote 25 weeks 2 days ago

I think the world of my brothers and my dad as well (until he passed away) and enjoy every opportunity to hunt with them or share in their success. I'd share my best place with them any day but realize that some days they may just get a hunch that something could be better. I'd like to see them get a world record deer at that site but consider it their choice to hunt there or wherever they would like.

I don't get too concerned over where other people hunt and I usually have someplace to go that is not too bad. I wouldn't worry about it but I would ask them to make up their mind in time to allow you to hunt that location if they don't want to.

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from dbramley wrote 25 weeks 17 hours ago

My wife last yr did that to me, I told her to sit at the base of a tree and that there where three avenues of approach and she would get a good clean shot. She didnt like it cause of the brush and moved closer to the wood line. All I could do was stand there in disbelief. As I looked at the feeder 100 yrds off and there was a doe walking in. I asked her if she saw it and she couldnt see it cause of the tree line was curved into her field of sight. I ended up shooting it cause she couldnt even see it. Next time I tell her something about where to set up I won't allow her to make up her own mind.

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from eastkyhunter wrote 25 weeks 13 hours ago

I feel that if you have put in the time of scouting, placing game cameras and trees stands you need to fill your tags first before placing friends or family in those places. Most of the time when i have placed buddies in my stands before I killed one they ended up messing the whole area up by using the bathroom close by, smoking or even missing four deer in the same day. Fill your tag first and it won't matter.

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from Edward J. Palumbo wrote 24 weeks 2 hours ago

You've given your brother and father an excellent opportunity - the act of a sportsman and gentleman - and it was disregarded. There are consequences to poor decisions. Next time, take your best position and demonstrate the merits of your reasoning with a buck that you may care to share with them.

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from RES1956 wrote 25 weeks 3 days ago

Can't fix stupid with duct tape,,,, If they are not smart enough to follow GOOD advice, quit giving it.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 25 weeks 3 days ago

That's a tough one. Just this season I put a friend on one of my top spots and he ended up elsewhere, a couple hundred yards away. I watched 7 elk, including 4 bulls, lounge around in front of the spot I sent him from a distance after daylight. Unfortunately, it was too far away for me to shoot. Do I regret it? No, it was his loss not mine. Would I do it differently next time? I'll have to think about that one...

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from deerhunterrick wrote 25 weeks 3 days ago

My answer to you is,don't give any hunting advice you don't get paid for. I used to do the same thing. Hunt after hunt I would set somebody up in the best spot and take what came my way. Mind you,I still got my deer,but I gave my best producers away free.Then my spot produced a giant 186 5/8" buck,from my hung stand and I never even got a thank you out of the deal.I worked hard for that deer and gave it away. That's when I started charging for my services. I started by going to guide school and getting hired through a company in Michigan in 1981 to guide trips, been doing so since. Now when I offer advice it's because I get paid to be right. If I offer advice for free and it is turned down,I don't offer a second time. They most know more then I do about where we are hunting. My oppinion is just my oppinion, but if they know more then you do,let them do all their own hard work to prove you wrong. Oh,,this was free by the way. Good hunting.. Stay safe..All my Ind/Ohio/Mich friends..Hope you weather this storm tonight

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from tneal1987 wrote 25 weeks 3 days ago

I enjoyputting my friends and family on large game and when they screw it up it is no ones fault but their own therefore, do what you feel is right, if you want to keep giving up your good spots then by all means do it, if you want to get the deer for yourself then by all means do it.

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from ADKHunter wrote 25 weeks 3 days ago

outdoorenvy u are every selfless many hunters wont do what u do and i thank u for that. but heres what u do lets say if u hunt together 3 times a year then u take that great hunting spot one time then put your father and brother in it the other 2 times this way u and ur brother and dad have equal chances at trophy deer now u dont settle and u still let them hunt that great spot

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from steve182 wrote 25 weeks 2 days ago

Give them your second and third best spots from now on, or better yet send them to new unproven spots. they can be your scouts.

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from Ol Krusty wrote 25 weeks 3 days ago

Not sure I would worry too much about it unless they start telling other folks of your "Honey Hole" then put a end to it.

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from bruisedsausage wrote 25 weeks 3 days ago

My brother use to do the same thing. When he was younger I would take him out with me, and set him up on some of my best spots. All to no avail, because he wouldn't appreciate it, and blow it off saying that no animals would show up. After a couple of years I was about to throw in the towel, but took him out and set him up on my favorite ambush site. About 45 minutes later I heard the report of his rifle. When I got over to him he was about as excited as a 5yr old on christmas morning. His legs were shaking as he walked up to me, and all he kept saying is, Big Buck, Big Buck, Big Buck. This repeated many times. LOL Turned out his first buck, was a massive 4X5(or 9 point) It was a little unusual to, as the G2 had been damaged during velvet and was pointing down like a droptine.

Later after retrieving it, he told me he knew that nothing would walk by so he was carving a stick with his knife and happened to hear a stick break and looked up to see this buck making a rub on a poor little fir tree.

I guess what I'm getting at, is don't give up. They will come around. Sometimes I think people are stubborn and want to do it their way. And that's O.K. They just might not get anything.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 25 weeks 3 days ago

Year after year, I try to give hunting partners some benefit of my experience on the land where we elk hunt. Most of the guys are experienced hunters, so I try not to say too much. I don't worry about someone telling about my "honey holes" because my partner and I have the lease locked in. I do enjoy sharing the experience with friends, old and new!

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from scratchgolf72 wrote 25 weeks 3 days ago

when i got my one buddy into hunting, who is now my official hunting partner, i used to put him in the good spots to help him get his first deer or two under his belt. after i showed him the ropes i made him find his own places on the properties we would hunt. i figured if i kept bottle feeding him he would never learn. on occasion we would hunt pheasants and i would just let him run the hunt, tell me where to go, what the plan was. hes got the hang of it now.

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from Phil1227 wrote 25 weeks 3 days ago

If you put in the time to scout the area then by all means you should have the right to hunt the spot that you think is best.
I have a similar situation with my dad, I have my spot picked out and point him in the direction I think would be the next best.

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from fliphuntr14 wrote 25 weeks 2 days ago

with young kids I won't bring them to the best spot in the woods because I think in order to respect it you have to work at it alittle. I put my brothers friend in my bow stand for a youth gun hunt and told him the doe (his first deer ever after hunting 2 years) would show up around 5;30pm and not to shoot the fawn that was with her or if it came in first. Well 5;30 he shoots twice, and I was about 150 yards away and when I walked up he said he thinks he shot two. Well of course he did the fawn was confused and hung around. I refuse to put someone in that spot with a gun again. I have scouted spots for other friends and there are a few people I wouldn't mind setting up but I give pretty clear directions. My uncle puts me in a spot on his property I don't move unless I've discussed it with him, I really trust his advice and its much easier to find a deer in an area you know.

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from Beekeeper wrote 25 weeks 2 days ago

WAM,

If I get that long straw again I know where I'm going and I know where to set up!

RES,

Ditto!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 25 weeks 2 days ago

Bee,

LOL!

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from finnyk wrote 25 weeks 2 days ago

If it were anyone other than family, I would say just leave them to their own devices. Maybe I am just a sucker for family, but I tend to feel a little more loyalty to family than to anyone else. You might think about it this way; if you tell them 100 times not to touch a hot stove, and they do it anyway - would you still take them to the emergency room if they needed it? If you would - keep giving them the spot, if not - leave them to their own devices.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 25 weeks 2 days ago

Bee --

I'll help you drag!

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from DakotaMan wrote 25 weeks 2 days ago

I think the world of my brothers and my dad as well (until he passed away) and enjoy every opportunity to hunt with them or share in their success. I'd share my best place with them any day but realize that some days they may just get a hunch that something could be better. I'd like to see them get a world record deer at that site but consider it their choice to hunt there or wherever they would like.

I don't get too concerned over where other people hunt and I usually have someplace to go that is not too bad. I wouldn't worry about it but I would ask them to make up their mind in time to allow you to hunt that location if they don't want to.

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from dbramley wrote 25 weeks 17 hours ago

My wife last yr did that to me, I told her to sit at the base of a tree and that there where three avenues of approach and she would get a good clean shot. She didnt like it cause of the brush and moved closer to the wood line. All I could do was stand there in disbelief. As I looked at the feeder 100 yrds off and there was a doe walking in. I asked her if she saw it and she couldnt see it cause of the tree line was curved into her field of sight. I ended up shooting it cause she couldnt even see it. Next time I tell her something about where to set up I won't allow her to make up her own mind.

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from eastkyhunter wrote 25 weeks 13 hours ago

I feel that if you have put in the time of scouting, placing game cameras and trees stands you need to fill your tags first before placing friends or family in those places. Most of the time when i have placed buddies in my stands before I killed one they ended up messing the whole area up by using the bathroom close by, smoking or even missing four deer in the same day. Fill your tag first and it won't matter.

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from Edward J. Palumbo wrote 24 weeks 2 hours ago

You've given your brother and father an excellent opportunity - the act of a sportsman and gentleman - and it was disregarded. There are consequences to poor decisions. Next time, take your best position and demonstrate the merits of your reasoning with a buck that you may care to share with them.

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