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What are your thoughts on the word KILL? I personally do not like to use it. I think of my self as a hunter and not a Killer. I prefer to use Harvest or Take. I hear a lot of people say Kill and it bothers me to the point that I am not a big fan of Kill Shot either. So how about it Kill or Harvest?
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I also think of myself as a hunter not a killer but when I go out hunting the objective is to kill the animal I am after.
I don't have a problem describing what I do as killing - because that is what it is. What bothers me is when "hunters" celebrate the kill or revel in it in a manner that is disrespectful to the animal that they have just killed. To me, it is not the word but the tone and attitude that goes with it that is most important. I'd much rather see someone who acts respectful to the animal describe what they did as "killing" it than someone celebrate their "harvest" of an animal like they just won the NCAA basketball national championship.
As much as the kill is only a small part of the hunt and and even smaller fraction of why I hunt, I don't beat around the bush. My hunts often end in or include a kill or kills. I don't have any problem with that. I eat what I kill.
When you harvest a plant to eat it, you kill it. When I want some meat, I kill it. When you buy a cheeseburger, it came from a cow that was killed.
The animals I kill for food got to live a free, natural, and possibly happy life. They died as quickly and painlessly as is possible. They had all the room in the world to roam, and could eat whatever they wanted whenever they wanted to. The chickens, cows, pigs, etc. that people eat can't say the same. Their life was cramped and crappy, and their death was no fun at all.
I appreciate the use of the word kill. For me it is better not to euphemize it.
I have utmost respect for the animals I kill, and I'd rather not forget that its exactly what i'm doing.
Also, I feel like when people say things like "take" or "bag" or "harvest" they lose sight of the true weight of what is being done. It is no light thing to stalk and kill a living thing, and in my opinion it shouldn't be cheapened by goofy terms.
In fact when waterfowl hunting in my party, it's not "take em" or "shoot" it's "kill em."
I personally prefer "shoot", not to gloss over anything, but because it gets the message across without the edge that "kill" puts on the act. The things we do in the crapper can be described in less graphic terms as well.
On the other hand, if we're trying to gross out the non-hunters and maybe convert them into anti-hunters, the more graphic the decription the more effective it will be.
It all means the same to me, I may chose my words wisely if I was giving the state of the union address but everywhere else it is what it is.
To not use the word "kill" is like hiding behind the fact that that is indeed, exactly what you are doing when you "harvest" an animal. I say it is better to use the word "kill" wrather than "harvest" just because it helps you remember what you are doing. Taking the life of an animal is a very spiritual thing and you should honor it by not forgetting about it. Killing an animal cleanly and humanly is the whole objective of hunting and it should not be forgotten by those who do so. I always say a prayer for each animal I kill and thank God for the meat and ask his blessing on the spirit of the animal. I do not take killing animal lightly.
after i shot my first deer i considered quitting because i realized i KILLED something but then i stated calling ti harvesting and tagging or bagging and i feel a lot better inside even though i know I'm taking somethings life
Semantics and political correctness in my book.
I sometimes say harvest othertimes kill, but we are killing the animals, they are dead. If we had a conversation you using the word harvest would be ok by me.
My major concerns are; fair chase and hunting ethically, regardless of the wording.
Would we make another word for when a Soldier kills a combatant on the battlefield. That is a human and we say KIA etc. Surely human lives are worth more in the grand scheme of things.
So Semantics
hjohn took the words right outta my mouth.
Im going to go with kill, Harvesting to me is something you do with plants you can harvest apples but the tree still lives. I am takeing the animals life, I am killing it. I don't see the need to put the pig in a skirt... its still a pig
Dbetzner
Thank you for that Pig in a Skirt gonna remember that and use it if you don't mind.
FOR MYSELF THE WORD KILL DOESN'T BOTHER ME OR THE PEOPLE I NORMALLY ASSOCIATE WITH.BUT IN SURTEN COMPANIE(LIKE WOMAN,CHILDREN OR IN SITUATION ITS JUST NOT CALL FOR)I WILL SUBSTITUTE KILL WITH HARVEST OR TAKEN.BUT IN THE SAME LIGHT IF I'M SOME PLACE AND THERE'S AN OVER OPINIONATED ANTI HUNTING BOZO I'LL DROP IN THE TERM (BLOW THE LIVING SH#T OUT OF IT)OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.I KNOW IT'S PROBABLY NOT HELPING THE SITUATION BUT FROM TIME TO TIME IT JUST CAN'T BE HELPED.I WONDER HOW MANY -1'S I'M GOING TO GET FOR POSTING THIS ONE...
+1 for you Glassman..Why well you can say what you wany it is afterall your opinion. If I dont like it I can choose to dissagree or not talk to you.
I would only give -1 for bad info or racial crap
Maybe i am on a rampage against political correctness or agree with free speach
Call me crazy, but Pleeaaase dont "harvest" me
I usually use the word kill when I'm describing something I've done. I don't present it as a big deal, but I don't make myself look like a two-faced idiot by trying to dance around it. I think shoot is also a good term, but I tend to think it's more graphic than kill. (This probably has more to do with peoples' personal experience, and so I'm probably making a useless judgment here. For example, a fish with a pithed brain, or allowed to expire from lack of water, has been killed. When I hear shot, I tend to think of geese finished at close-range with a 12.)
I tend to use take or harvest only once in a while, usually when I'm talking about this stuff in agregate, in terms of total statewide take last year, or whatever.
It occurs to me that some of the differences of opinion here may have something to do with what part of the country we are living in, and the popular usage of language there. In some places we catch fish. Do we "kill" the fish in some other places?
If you can "take" or "harvest" game without killing it I'd love to know more about that technique. A fisherman can catch and release fish. Hunters kill their game. We are what we are and do what we do. PC semantics won't change that.
i think your going overboad on kill but i like the term havested more i think killer is more of a label to make sportsmen look like people that aren't good people
if you can't say kill, don't hunt, take pictures instead.
Well, I often might say something like, I caught three trout, but the last one was just a bare seven inches, and the first two made a nice dinner, so I didn't kill the last one. Or I might say I didn't keep it.
Let me rephrase the word Killer. I did not mean that in any way shape of form to mean that we as hunters are Killers in the criminal form. I do take shooting an animal or taking an animal or harvesting very very seriously. I do not whoop and hollar and carry on. I do thank God for the opportunity to take said animal.
Adk may have said what I have been trying to say the best. Thank you.
No matter how you try to sugar-coat the word, it still means the same thing...to take life, but I do think as sportsmen, that we should choose our words based on our audience.
I totally agree with BioGuy, the word choice should be dependent upon who the audience is. Killing is what hunting is, harvesting is what farmers do to plants.
Words change their meaning over time through a truly democratic process. The words you hesitate to speak today will be outright offensive tomorrow, and then people will use them for shock value, until they become tame through overuse.
Kill, murder, euthanize, harvest. The reality in hunting is you strive to inflict quick death, because it creates the least suffering and shortest blood trail, and therefore the highest probability of recovery. Whatever you call it, it is not the horrific mass destruction of the factory farm.
maybe this is just me but does this sound like peta, i will say kill and thats me. harvest is apeasing peta and hsus in my opinion. sry if this offends you.
If I'm with hunting buddies I use terms such as "smoked" "drilled" "in the kitchen" and of course "killed"
If I'm at work or around non hunters it's "harvest" "take" "blessed" or "lucky".
I agree that there is a huge difference between the terms "hunter" and "killer". I agree with the words take or harvest. Well put question, by the way.
When I was in VIet Nam I would have been laughed out of my unit if I said I "Harvested" so many VC today.
As a hunter I usually say I shot for the same reason.
i us the word killed because that is the fact of it
but a degree of cander needs to be used when around childeren as for adults it is what it is i killed a deer or ect . no need to hide from it or to be ashamed of it and if thats the case by a camera and hunt and its really fun in the off season when not hunting deer but thats my op
but to each thier own
when I think of harvest, I think of my garden... I harvest watermelons,But I kill a deer, just how I feel about it...
see i have a hard time saying harvest i when i think of harvest i think of the fields that are stripped each fall from standing corn and uniform to deathly and barren flat it kind of makes the area feel very empty. But when you kill a deer you do not wipe out the whole field/ herd only a portion.
I agree with the semantics theory. I may try to be nicer around some of the more sensitive people I talk to, but there's a limit.
In my book, if it was alive, and you have made it dead, you have killed it.
I will use the term shoot sometimes, but have never used the word harvest in conversation.
buckhunter hit the nail on the head. It's different when you're witht the boys.
I can only be PC so much. Why should I worry about every little thing and how it will effect every single person, when most of the people that it would truly offend don't give it a second thought when they tell me I'm a "disgusting, vile piece of s#!* that's headed straight for hell" just because I eat meat or hunt?
Still, I make sure that I am mindfull of how I say some things around certain people. After all, my momma raised me right and taught me to be respectful of others. Not like some jerks out there...
Anything besides the word kill is PC. Problem is that those other words will eventually obtain the same meaning. Same with saying passed instead of died.
This is much ado about ways of describing "hunter success", which is not such a big deal that it calls for enhanced dramatic effect. We can do without the end zone celebrations.
When yyou use the words harvest or take it makes it seem like your ashamed that you killed the animal to anti-hunters. I have no problem with people who say harvest, but personnally I say that I killed it, because that is what I did.
I believe in being respectful of the animal's life, and I also say a prayer of thanks immediately after killing an animal. That being said, I like it when the guys in camp call me "The Slayer." It's all about context, time and place.
You harvest Wheat and Corn. You kill a living breathing creature. I hunt there fore I am...
"... long live the beast."
- Ted Nugent
The trouble with the word "harvest" is that it is more properly applied to reductions of animal populations as a whole, and not to individual animals. The annual apple harvest is one thing but the picking of an individual apple is another. It just doesn't sound right to harvest one apple or one deer.
I enjoyed reading those responses. i agree that hunters should not have a problem using the word kill. interesting post.
Get over it. If you Hunt, then YOU KILL! Never waste any of What You Kill. But you can't get through the day without killing something. Go to the store, and your dollar requires that something dies. And it gets more abstract. Go buy shoes or a belt. Buying gas implies that you've killed more animals than you'll ever see by pollution. Us Indians apologize to the critter before killing, and promise not to waste anything.
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No matter how you try to sugar-coat the word, it still means the same thing...to take life, but I do think as sportsmen, that we should choose our words based on our audience.
To not use the word "kill" is like hiding behind the fact that that is indeed, exactly what you are doing when you "harvest" an animal. I say it is better to use the word "kill" wrather than "harvest" just because it helps you remember what you are doing. Taking the life of an animal is a very spiritual thing and you should honor it by not forgetting about it. Killing an animal cleanly and humanly is the whole objective of hunting and it should not be forgotten by those who do so. I always say a prayer for each animal I kill and thank God for the meat and ask his blessing on the spirit of the animal. I do not take killing animal lightly.
Semantics and political correctness in my book.
I sometimes say harvest othertimes kill, but we are killing the animals, they are dead. If we had a conversation you using the word harvest would be ok by me.
My major concerns are; fair chase and hunting ethically, regardless of the wording.
Would we make another word for when a Soldier kills a combatant on the battlefield. That is a human and we say KIA etc. Surely human lives are worth more in the grand scheme of things.
So Semantics
I also think of myself as a hunter not a killer but when I go out hunting the objective is to kill the animal I am after.
I don't have a problem describing what I do as killing - because that is what it is. What bothers me is when "hunters" celebrate the kill or revel in it in a manner that is disrespectful to the animal that they have just killed. To me, it is not the word but the tone and attitude that goes with it that is most important. I'd much rather see someone who acts respectful to the animal describe what they did as "killing" it than someone celebrate their "harvest" of an animal like they just won the NCAA basketball national championship.
FOR MYSELF THE WORD KILL DOESN'T BOTHER ME OR THE PEOPLE I NORMALLY ASSOCIATE WITH.BUT IN SURTEN COMPANIE(LIKE WOMAN,CHILDREN OR IN SITUATION ITS JUST NOT CALL FOR)I WILL SUBSTITUTE KILL WITH HARVEST OR TAKEN.BUT IN THE SAME LIGHT IF I'M SOME PLACE AND THERE'S AN OVER OPINIONATED ANTI HUNTING BOZO I'LL DROP IN THE TERM (BLOW THE LIVING SH#T OUT OF IT)OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.I KNOW IT'S PROBABLY NOT HELPING THE SITUATION BUT FROM TIME TO TIME IT JUST CAN'T BE HELPED.I WONDER HOW MANY -1'S I'M GOING TO GET FOR POSTING THIS ONE...
As much as the kill is only a small part of the hunt and and even smaller fraction of why I hunt, I don't beat around the bush. My hunts often end in or include a kill or kills. I don't have any problem with that. I eat what I kill.
When you harvest a plant to eat it, you kill it. When I want some meat, I kill it. When you buy a cheeseburger, it came from a cow that was killed.
The animals I kill for food got to live a free, natural, and possibly happy life. They died as quickly and painlessly as is possible. They had all the room in the world to roam, and could eat whatever they wanted whenever they wanted to. The chickens, cows, pigs, etc. that people eat can't say the same. Their life was cramped and crappy, and their death was no fun at all.
I appreciate the use of the word kill. For me it is better not to euphemize it.
I have utmost respect for the animals I kill, and I'd rather not forget that its exactly what i'm doing.
Also, I feel like when people say things like "take" or "bag" or "harvest" they lose sight of the true weight of what is being done. It is no light thing to stalk and kill a living thing, and in my opinion it shouldn't be cheapened by goofy terms.
In fact when waterfowl hunting in my party, it's not "take em" or "shoot" it's "kill em."
after i shot my first deer i considered quitting because i realized i KILLED something but then i stated calling ti harvesting and tagging or bagging and i feel a lot better inside even though i know I'm taking somethings life
Im going to go with kill, Harvesting to me is something you do with plants you can harvest apples but the tree still lives. I am takeing the animals life, I am killing it. I don't see the need to put the pig in a skirt... its still a pig
I agree that there is a huge difference between the terms "hunter" and "killer". I agree with the words take or harvest. Well put question, by the way.
It all means the same to me, I may chose my words wisely if I was giving the state of the union address but everywhere else it is what it is.
+1 for you Glassman..Why well you can say what you wany it is afterall your opinion. If I dont like it I can choose to dissagree or not talk to you.
I would only give -1 for bad info or racial crap
Maybe i am on a rampage against political correctness or agree with free speach
Call me crazy, but Pleeaaase dont "harvest" me
I usually use the word kill when I'm describing something I've done. I don't present it as a big deal, but I don't make myself look like a two-faced idiot by trying to dance around it. I think shoot is also a good term, but I tend to think it's more graphic than kill. (This probably has more to do with peoples' personal experience, and so I'm probably making a useless judgment here. For example, a fish with a pithed brain, or allowed to expire from lack of water, has been killed. When I hear shot, I tend to think of geese finished at close-range with a 12.)
I tend to use take or harvest only once in a while, usually when I'm talking about this stuff in agregate, in terms of total statewide take last year, or whatever.
if you can't say kill, don't hunt, take pictures instead.
Well, I often might say something like, I caught three trout, but the last one was just a bare seven inches, and the first two made a nice dinner, so I didn't kill the last one. Or I might say I didn't keep it.
Words change their meaning over time through a truly democratic process. The words you hesitate to speak today will be outright offensive tomorrow, and then people will use them for shock value, until they become tame through overuse.
Kill, murder, euthanize, harvest. The reality in hunting is you strive to inflict quick death, because it creates the least suffering and shortest blood trail, and therefore the highest probability of recovery. Whatever you call it, it is not the horrific mass destruction of the factory farm.
maybe this is just me but does this sound like peta, i will say kill and thats me. harvest is apeasing peta and hsus in my opinion. sry if this offends you.
If I'm with hunting buddies I use terms such as "smoked" "drilled" "in the kitchen" and of course "killed"
If I'm at work or around non hunters it's "harvest" "take" "blessed" or "lucky".
I personally prefer "shoot", not to gloss over anything, but because it gets the message across without the edge that "kill" puts on the act. The things we do in the crapper can be described in less graphic terms as well.
On the other hand, if we're trying to gross out the non-hunters and maybe convert them into anti-hunters, the more graphic the decription the more effective it will be.
hjohn took the words right outta my mouth.
Dbetzner
Thank you for that Pig in a Skirt gonna remember that and use it if you don't mind.
It occurs to me that some of the differences of opinion here may have something to do with what part of the country we are living in, and the popular usage of language there. In some places we catch fish. Do we "kill" the fish in some other places?
If you can "take" or "harvest" game without killing it I'd love to know more about that technique. A fisherman can catch and release fish. Hunters kill their game. We are what we are and do what we do. PC semantics won't change that.
i think your going overboad on kill but i like the term havested more i think killer is more of a label to make sportsmen look like people that aren't good people
Let me rephrase the word Killer. I did not mean that in any way shape of form to mean that we as hunters are Killers in the criminal form. I do take shooting an animal or taking an animal or harvesting very very seriously. I do not whoop and hollar and carry on. I do thank God for the opportunity to take said animal.
Adk may have said what I have been trying to say the best. Thank you.
I totally agree with BioGuy, the word choice should be dependent upon who the audience is. Killing is what hunting is, harvesting is what farmers do to plants.
When I was in VIet Nam I would have been laughed out of my unit if I said I "Harvested" so many VC today.
As a hunter I usually say I shot for the same reason.
You harvest Wheat and Corn. You kill a living breathing creature. I hunt there fore I am...
"... long live the beast."
- Ted Nugent
I enjoyed reading those responses. i agree that hunters should not have a problem using the word kill. interesting post.
i us the word killed because that is the fact of it
but a degree of cander needs to be used when around childeren as for adults it is what it is i killed a deer or ect . no need to hide from it or to be ashamed of it and if thats the case by a camera and hunt and its really fun in the off season when not hunting deer but thats my op
but to each thier own
when I think of harvest, I think of my garden... I harvest watermelons,But I kill a deer, just how I feel about it...
see i have a hard time saying harvest i when i think of harvest i think of the fields that are stripped each fall from standing corn and uniform to deathly and barren flat it kind of makes the area feel very empty. But when you kill a deer you do not wipe out the whole field/ herd only a portion.
I agree with the semantics theory. I may try to be nicer around some of the more sensitive people I talk to, but there's a limit.
In my book, if it was alive, and you have made it dead, you have killed it.
I will use the term shoot sometimes, but have never used the word harvest in conversation.
buckhunter hit the nail on the head. It's different when you're witht the boys.
I can only be PC so much. Why should I worry about every little thing and how it will effect every single person, when most of the people that it would truly offend don't give it a second thought when they tell me I'm a "disgusting, vile piece of s#!* that's headed straight for hell" just because I eat meat or hunt?
Still, I make sure that I am mindfull of how I say some things around certain people. After all, my momma raised me right and taught me to be respectful of others. Not like some jerks out there...
When yyou use the words harvest or take it makes it seem like your ashamed that you killed the animal to anti-hunters. I have no problem with people who say harvest, but personnally I say that I killed it, because that is what I did.
Anything besides the word kill is PC. Problem is that those other words will eventually obtain the same meaning. Same with saying passed instead of died.
This is much ado about ways of describing "hunter success", which is not such a big deal that it calls for enhanced dramatic effect. We can do without the end zone celebrations.
I believe in being respectful of the animal's life, and I also say a prayer of thanks immediately after killing an animal. That being said, I like it when the guys in camp call me "The Slayer." It's all about context, time and place.
The trouble with the word "harvest" is that it is more properly applied to reductions of animal populations as a whole, and not to individual animals. The annual apple harvest is one thing but the picking of an individual apple is another. It just doesn't sound right to harvest one apple or one deer.
Get over it. If you Hunt, then YOU KILL! Never waste any of What You Kill. But you can't get through the day without killing something. Go to the store, and your dollar requires that something dies. And it gets more abstract. Go buy shoes or a belt. Buying gas implies that you've killed more animals than you'll ever see by pollution. Us Indians apologize to the critter before killing, and promise not to waste anything.
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