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Was reading WAM's question regarding the ammo hoarding and perused a few sites, just out of curiosity. There are NO .224 bullets or dies available. .308 bullets are scarce, and only in odd weights. No .308/7.62 X 51 dies. Went to a Bass Pro last Sunday, and all rifle ammunition was either non-existent, or in odd calibers, or odd loadings. No .22 LR of any type. .410 shot shells were running $15-$18 a box! No shot-shell re-loading components, other than shot, are available. For the optimists out there, when do you think the current lack of shooting supplies will be over? For the realists, do you think that manufacturers/suppliers will catch up, or hold back, awaiting word on the guvern'ment position on firearms?
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I don't think it's an issue of the manufacturers and suppliers catching up. They are producing ammunition as fast as possible. Fear will subside, and demand will peak, and I expect it to drop quickly when it does, and prices will follow. I think at some point people will decide they have plenty of ammo and the market will be flooded and prices will go back down. People will begin selling their stockpiles tryin to turn a dollar and flood the market even more. It might take a few months, but I'm convinced before long the prices will go down and the shelves will be stocked. It has to, the only thing that will keep demand as high as it is currently is an all out war. And I don't think anyone is actually expecting that.
One optimist.
The manufacturers are not likely to add to their infrastructure to expand production because this is clearly just a temporary panic attack. Expanding production would only be smart if they could anticipate long-term demand. That clearly IS NOT the case here. I don't expect any of the big retailers like Walmart who are holding back on wholesale purchases for the time being to make any ventures into restocking supplies until early to mid April. I expect by June there'll be a LOT of ads in the papers for ammo bought by gullible fools trying to sell their stash so they can buy gas money for fishing. Or to get their wives off their backs and save the marriage.
Nothing will change until the debate seems over with.
One moron, one realist.
One idiot.
Perhaps I should elaborate. I once worked for an incredibly stupid NCO in the Army. But he was also one of the best bosses I've ever had. Garth may not have been bright but he recognized that fact and he made the most of the individual intelligence of each of the men working under him. Every day he came to work he made every effort to learn as much as possible from every source available. He was always asking questions ... and listening to the answers. He may not have been smart but he was wise enough to never stop trying to be smartER. He was not an idiot.
An idiot is someone who isn't very smart but thinks he is and, therefore, is not inclined to try to learn anything or improve what God failed to endow him with. CRM, I offered that enlightened explanation for everyone's benefit ... but yours. No sense in wasting my time on that account.
I can just feel the love between you two. It's a beautiful thing.
Found a store across the state line that had a good supply of powdet, "some" bullets and had just rec'vd a primer order. (YEAH!) They also had a reasonable rack of AR's to pick from. "Some" ammo! No case lots.
At home, both stores have limited loading supplies. One had 2 AR's, the other had 4 or 5. Two-two-three ammo was slum to none with no case lots available. Found a "Bucket O' Bullets" (1400 Rem Golden .22's) for $60 two months ago. Wish I'd bought both now. One "pack" (525 ct) Rem Golden .22's for $22! Wish I'd bought all three.
Kids gloaming onto ammo as they find deals. One lives in same city as CTD warehouse. She finds some pretty good deals.
I'm close enough to some "metro" areas that there's still "some" out there.
Good luck!
Found a store across the state line that had a good supply of powdet, "some" bullets and had just rec'vd a primer order. (YEAH!) They also had a reasonable rack of AR's to pick from. "Some" ammo! No case lots.
At home, both stores have limited loading supplies. One had 2 AR's, the other had 4 or 5. Two-two-three ammo was slum to none with no case lots available. Found a "Bucket O' Bullets" (1400 Rem Golden .22's) for $60 two months ago. Wish I'd bought both now. One "pack" (525 ct) Rem Golden .22's for $22! Wish I'd bought all three.
Kids gloaming onto ammo as they find deals. One lives in same city as CTD warehouse. She finds some pretty good deals.
I'm close enough to some "metro" areas that there's still "some" out there.
Good luck!
Last night I arrived home from Mayo Clinic in Rochester, MN. Gander Mountain was just down the road from the motel I was staying in so I dropped by to take a gander at what they had for ammo. Lots! I didn't see any ammo shortages and I didn't think the prices looked bad either. No ARs in the place but that didn't surprise me. I don't recall seeing any in the Minneapolis store last fall either ... or the Cabelas stores in either Minneapolis or Grand Forks. Pretty hard not to notice those gawdy things. Obama came to Minneapolis while I was at Rochester to kick off his gun reform. I looked for Air Force One at the airport yesterday afternoon while I was waiting for a flight but didn't see it. He may have been gone already. For security reasons they probably don't leave the thing out in plane view. ;-)
Well OH that Gander Mountain is unique. Down here there are no rounds anywhere. And the rare occasion I find them they are over priced. I just got a couple of high capacity magazines for my .40 and I was looking for hollow points to fill them with. There was only one place in town that had them, and I'm ashamed to say what I paid. Even the online stores are backordered.
Hey look at that! Theyre now selling advertisement right off our posts. Too bad they won't use the funds to fix the POS site.
I have it on good authority that I bought the last box of standard .22 lr in my county. There is still some .22 short and top dollar .22 match grade ammo. A guy I have coffee with is a knife maker and attended the recent Shot Show. He reported that while one AR manufacturer was at the show he received orders totaling $168 million. By the time OhBummer is done trying to get rid of "assault weapons" they will be the most popular firearm in USA. It is a simple matter of a threat to supply drives up demand like they teach in Econ. 101. But, obviously, judging by our ongoing economic state, economics has never been OhBummer's strong suit.
Honk-Honk, not to doubt your veracity, but I just went onto Gander Mountain's site and found the same as everywhere else. Sold out, No Back-order, inflated prices, low availability, ships from vendor, and not much to choose from, even in shot shell reloading components.
If you did indeed find what you say you found, stock up, and you can make a killing re-selling. Not bad for a complete moron!
Have a nice day.
There is still ammo available in MN as OHH points out. Very little .223 and 22lr. I watched a pile disappear at a Gander yesterday. Everyone buying the three boxes they would allow.
Are people thinking they are going to ban the ammo? Anyway fear is clearly driving the panic and some folks are probably making a pile of money so we will just have to wait this one out.
ps OHH Gander usually runs 10-15% higher than Fleet Farm or Cabelas on ammo. I only buy there on special or clearance.
The Gander Mt. that I go to in Va. which is very rare because their prices are retail plus 15% has no ammo and the manager told me that Gander Mt. is going out of the reloading business. This is the second Gander Mt. store that has told me this. I could have told that because they had no reloading supplies on the shelves. If you wanted a box of .458 Winchester Mag. you may have found a box but popular calibers were practically non-existant.
I had a bunch of Cabela's points to cash in so I tried to buy a couple of magazines, not AR, not hi-cap, just standard mags for a .22 rifle and my 1911. None, nothing, nada. So I tried to order some of the ammo I had the least of, again not .223 or 7,62X39, just some pistol ammo. I found three boxes not in the loading I was looking for. I bought them anyway. So, even though everything wet is still frozen and it will be another 4 -5 months before I'll be fly fishing in the high country streams, I used my points for a new rod case because the government isn't threatening to ban fly fishing, at least not yet.
the last time he was elected there were shortages for about 6months if i recall correctly. with the added on fears ill say we should see a resuply by september (hopefully)
Chuckles, I am used to looking at Canadian prices which are quite a bit higher even in normal times (and I do not see our prices going up and supplies still seem to be fine).
Maybe the Democrat states have plenty of ammo because they all trust the Chosen One and see no need to buy anything or even own a gun. If I were an Obamatron and bought into all the BS from the likes of Feinstein, Schummer, Pelosi, Reid, Biden, Bloomberg, Cuomo, Billary, Holder, Rahm-boy, and the like, I would not see a problem with the anti-gun agenda either. Isn't that what the poice are for? Ludicrous
I just got a dozen arrows and a high capacity quiver no problem. All you ammo hoarders are doing is driving up the prices on yourselves.
I was in a local gun store over the weekend. The prices are usually a little higher than the big chain stores, but he usually has ammo, and reloading components in the worst of times. He was low on everything. He said his suppliers couldn't get him a delivery for at least 2-3 weeks, and what he was getting, was only part of what he ordered. He thinks it will be 4 to 6 months before things settle down. I don't know what this is based on, but that was his guess.I did manage to get another box of .224, and .308 sierra bullets to reload, but he had no .22lr. I still have some, but the .22's wont last 6 months.
Will someone please explain the rush on .22 rimfire ammo. I can see it maybe with .224 and .308 (not really though) but why hoard .22 shells? Banning them is just not in the cards as far as I can see. In the extremely unlikely event that ARs should get banned, what the heck has that got to do with .22LR? This is a classic speculative mania. Completely senseless. Quite the phenomenon. I studied historic mining booms when I was doing my post-grad work. And I thought some of the speculative mining company booms of the 1900s were nutty. This one will be great stuff for future business history grad students. Should be fun.
If the stupid govt. A-holes could put aside their politics long enough to find the common thread in these horrible shootings they would be launching a war on violent mental cases instead of going after guns and ammo and we law abiding honest sportsmen could get on with our lives.
Yes, it's too bad someone doesn't have some kind of x-ray vision or magic crystal ball that will allow them to see when someone is a "violent mental case" or will become one in the future. Dave, mental illness is not like measles or chicken pox. Like violent criminals, "mental cases" usually look just like everybody else on the street. It will never be fully possible to "launch a war" on mental cases without painting a target on all of us.
OHH,
Do you have any names and addresss of Sporting Goods Stores in your area that will ship reloading supplies to the lower 48 ? I think that you said the stores in your area still had plenty of supplies in their inventory.
I called the only local store that I know of that has anything although their inventory is never great at any time. They are not interested in shipping. Google for Bass Pro or Gander Mountain in Manitoba and see what turns up and give them a call. Might want to go that route. Let me see ... no Gander Mt in Canada. Cabelas has a store in Winnipeg. Also try Wholesale Sports on James St in Winnipeg. Good luck.
Sarge, I was talking about plenty of ammo in stock at one of the Walmarts, not reloading stuff.
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I don't think it's an issue of the manufacturers and suppliers catching up. They are producing ammunition as fast as possible. Fear will subside, and demand will peak, and I expect it to drop quickly when it does, and prices will follow. I think at some point people will decide they have plenty of ammo and the market will be flooded and prices will go back down. People will begin selling their stockpiles tryin to turn a dollar and flood the market even more. It might take a few months, but I'm convinced before long the prices will go down and the shelves will be stocked. It has to, the only thing that will keep demand as high as it is currently is an all out war. And I don't think anyone is actually expecting that.
Nothing will change until the debate seems over with.
One idiot.
Perhaps I should elaborate. I once worked for an incredibly stupid NCO in the Army. But he was also one of the best bosses I've ever had. Garth may not have been bright but he recognized that fact and he made the most of the individual intelligence of each of the men working under him. Every day he came to work he made every effort to learn as much as possible from every source available. He was always asking questions ... and listening to the answers. He may not have been smart but he was wise enough to never stop trying to be smartER. He was not an idiot.
An idiot is someone who isn't very smart but thinks he is and, therefore, is not inclined to try to learn anything or improve what God failed to endow him with. CRM, I offered that enlightened explanation for everyone's benefit ... but yours. No sense in wasting my time on that account.
Last night I arrived home from Mayo Clinic in Rochester, MN. Gander Mountain was just down the road from the motel I was staying in so I dropped by to take a gander at what they had for ammo. Lots! I didn't see any ammo shortages and I didn't think the prices looked bad either. No ARs in the place but that didn't surprise me. I don't recall seeing any in the Minneapolis store last fall either ... or the Cabelas stores in either Minneapolis or Grand Forks. Pretty hard not to notice those gawdy things. Obama came to Minneapolis while I was at Rochester to kick off his gun reform. I looked for Air Force One at the airport yesterday afternoon while I was waiting for a flight but didn't see it. He may have been gone already. For security reasons they probably don't leave the thing out in plane view. ;-)
Maybe the Democrat states have plenty of ammo because they all trust the Chosen One and see no need to buy anything or even own a gun. If I were an Obamatron and bought into all the BS from the likes of Feinstein, Schummer, Pelosi, Reid, Biden, Bloomberg, Cuomo, Billary, Holder, Rahm-boy, and the like, I would not see a problem with the anti-gun agenda either. Isn't that what the poice are for? Ludicrous
If the stupid govt. A-holes could put aside their politics long enough to find the common thread in these horrible shootings they would be launching a war on violent mental cases instead of going after guns and ammo and we law abiding honest sportsmen could get on with our lives.
The manufacturers are not likely to add to their infrastructure to expand production because this is clearly just a temporary panic attack. Expanding production would only be smart if they could anticipate long-term demand. That clearly IS NOT the case here. I don't expect any of the big retailers like Walmart who are holding back on wholesale purchases for the time being to make any ventures into restocking supplies until early to mid April. I expect by June there'll be a LOT of ads in the papers for ammo bought by gullible fools trying to sell their stash so they can buy gas money for fishing. Or to get their wives off their backs and save the marriage.
I can just feel the love between you two. It's a beautiful thing.
Found a store across the state line that had a good supply of powdet, "some" bullets and had just rec'vd a primer order. (YEAH!) They also had a reasonable rack of AR's to pick from. "Some" ammo! No case lots.
At home, both stores have limited loading supplies. One had 2 AR's, the other had 4 or 5. Two-two-three ammo was slum to none with no case lots available. Found a "Bucket O' Bullets" (1400 Rem Golden .22's) for $60 two months ago. Wish I'd bought both now. One "pack" (525 ct) Rem Golden .22's for $22! Wish I'd bought all three.
Kids gloaming onto ammo as they find deals. One lives in same city as CTD warehouse. She finds some pretty good deals.
I'm close enough to some "metro" areas that there's still "some" out there.
Good luck!
Found a store across the state line that had a good supply of powdet, "some" bullets and had just rec'vd a primer order. (YEAH!) They also had a reasonable rack of AR's to pick from. "Some" ammo! No case lots.
At home, both stores have limited loading supplies. One had 2 AR's, the other had 4 or 5. Two-two-three ammo was slum to none with no case lots available. Found a "Bucket O' Bullets" (1400 Rem Golden .22's) for $60 two months ago. Wish I'd bought both now. One "pack" (525 ct) Rem Golden .22's for $22! Wish I'd bought all three.
Kids gloaming onto ammo as they find deals. One lives in same city as CTD warehouse. She finds some pretty good deals.
I'm close enough to some "metro" areas that there's still "some" out there.
Good luck!
Well OH that Gander Mountain is unique. Down here there are no rounds anywhere. And the rare occasion I find them they are over priced. I just got a couple of high capacity magazines for my .40 and I was looking for hollow points to fill them with. There was only one place in town that had them, and I'm ashamed to say what I paid. Even the online stores are backordered.
Hey look at that! Theyre now selling advertisement right off our posts. Too bad they won't use the funds to fix the POS site.
I have it on good authority that I bought the last box of standard .22 lr in my county. There is still some .22 short and top dollar .22 match grade ammo. A guy I have coffee with is a knife maker and attended the recent Shot Show. He reported that while one AR manufacturer was at the show he received orders totaling $168 million. By the time OhBummer is done trying to get rid of "assault weapons" they will be the most popular firearm in USA. It is a simple matter of a threat to supply drives up demand like they teach in Econ. 101. But, obviously, judging by our ongoing economic state, economics has never been OhBummer's strong suit.
Honk-Honk, not to doubt your veracity, but I just went onto Gander Mountain's site and found the same as everywhere else. Sold out, No Back-order, inflated prices, low availability, ships from vendor, and not much to choose from, even in shot shell reloading components.
If you did indeed find what you say you found, stock up, and you can make a killing re-selling. Not bad for a complete moron!
Have a nice day.
There is still ammo available in MN as OHH points out. Very little .223 and 22lr. I watched a pile disappear at a Gander yesterday. Everyone buying the three boxes they would allow.
Are people thinking they are going to ban the ammo? Anyway fear is clearly driving the panic and some folks are probably making a pile of money so we will just have to wait this one out.
ps OHH Gander usually runs 10-15% higher than Fleet Farm or Cabelas on ammo. I only buy there on special or clearance.
The Gander Mt. that I go to in Va. which is very rare because their prices are retail plus 15% has no ammo and the manager told me that Gander Mt. is going out of the reloading business. This is the second Gander Mt. store that has told me this. I could have told that because they had no reloading supplies on the shelves. If you wanted a box of .458 Winchester Mag. you may have found a box but popular calibers were practically non-existant.
I had a bunch of Cabela's points to cash in so I tried to buy a couple of magazines, not AR, not hi-cap, just standard mags for a .22 rifle and my 1911. None, nothing, nada. So I tried to order some of the ammo I had the least of, again not .223 or 7,62X39, just some pistol ammo. I found three boxes not in the loading I was looking for. I bought them anyway. So, even though everything wet is still frozen and it will be another 4 -5 months before I'll be fly fishing in the high country streams, I used my points for a new rod case because the government isn't threatening to ban fly fishing, at least not yet.
the last time he was elected there were shortages for about 6months if i recall correctly. with the added on fears ill say we should see a resuply by september (hopefully)
Chuckles, I am used to looking at Canadian prices which are quite a bit higher even in normal times (and I do not see our prices going up and supplies still seem to be fine).
I was in a local gun store over the weekend. The prices are usually a little higher than the big chain stores, but he usually has ammo, and reloading components in the worst of times. He was low on everything. He said his suppliers couldn't get him a delivery for at least 2-3 weeks, and what he was getting, was only part of what he ordered. He thinks it will be 4 to 6 months before things settle down. I don't know what this is based on, but that was his guess.I did manage to get another box of .224, and .308 sierra bullets to reload, but he had no .22lr. I still have some, but the .22's wont last 6 months.
OHH,
Do you have any names and addresss of Sporting Goods Stores in your area that will ship reloading supplies to the lower 48 ? I think that you said the stores in your area still had plenty of supplies in their inventory.
One optimist.
I just got a dozen arrows and a high capacity quiver no problem. All you ammo hoarders are doing is driving up the prices on yourselves.
Will someone please explain the rush on .22 rimfire ammo. I can see it maybe with .224 and .308 (not really though) but why hoard .22 shells? Banning them is just not in the cards as far as I can see. In the extremely unlikely event that ARs should get banned, what the heck has that got to do with .22LR? This is a classic speculative mania. Completely senseless. Quite the phenomenon. I studied historic mining booms when I was doing my post-grad work. And I thought some of the speculative mining company booms of the 1900s were nutty. This one will be great stuff for future business history grad students. Should be fun.
Yes, it's too bad someone doesn't have some kind of x-ray vision or magic crystal ball that will allow them to see when someone is a "violent mental case" or will become one in the future. Dave, mental illness is not like measles or chicken pox. Like violent criminals, "mental cases" usually look just like everybody else on the street. It will never be fully possible to "launch a war" on mental cases without painting a target on all of us.
I called the only local store that I know of that has anything although their inventory is never great at any time. They are not interested in shipping. Google for Bass Pro or Gander Mountain in Manitoba and see what turns up and give them a call. Might want to go that route. Let me see ... no Gander Mt in Canada. Cabelas has a store in Winnipeg. Also try Wholesale Sports on James St in Winnipeg. Good luck.
Sarge, I was talking about plenty of ammo in stock at one of the Walmarts, not reloading stuff.
One moron, one realist.
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