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I got an O/U, 20 gauge, Beretta silver pigeon as a present last winter. I use it mainly to shoot skeet. There are no rifles allowed in my town, so I usually hunt deer somewhere else, but I was wondering if I could give the 20 gauge a try around my house. Would the 20 gauge Beretta be sufficient for whitetails if it were loaded with buckshot? If so, what is an ethical range to be taking shots at?
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I'm not a big fan of buckshot loads for 20 GA guns. rifled slugs would be an option. Try them with open choke tubes installed.
Oh, ethical range for a shotgun with slugs and bead sights, 40-50 yards.
you read my mind beekeep. Go with the slugs in my opinion. If you can, mount a scope. I would say with a scope and some practice, up to 70 yards is about as far as i would shoot
you read my mind beekeep. Go with the slugs in my opinion. If you can, mount a scope. I would say with a scope and some practice, up to 70 yards is about as far as i would shoot
oh woops. i didn't see that you said it was an over under. that's a beautiful shotgun. i would NOT mount a scope on that beauty. sorry.
oh woops. i didn't see that you said it was an over under. that's a beautiful shotgun. i would NOT mount a scope on that beauty. sorry.
I think it is very UNETHICAL to shoot a deer with buckshot. I shouldn't be called buckshot. It should be called "burgerlar shot", "pissed-off leapard shot", or "coyote shot." To kill a deer ethically witha shotgun you need to use slugs NOT SHOT!
Slugs definitely and keep the range short like 50 yards or less.
I agree with the guys above me. Use a rifled slug and find out which barrel shots them the best and where you should hold the bead. Limit your shots to no more than 50-60 yards and you'll do well.
they wouldn't allow buckshot if it didn't get the job done. with a 20ga loaded with buckshot 50-60 yards i have even heard of people shooting deer at 100 yards with a 20 gauge loaded with buckshot.the only thing is they cut the tops of the shells off and shaked out all the packing and filled it with hot wax i have seen them shoot the shells before they hold a good pattern out to distance of 80 yards that what they were target praticing at but about every 5 shots they swabbed the barrell.never seen what its does to a deer though.
BTW I have and love my Silver Pigeon in 28 ga.
Everytime someone asks about buckshot, all the haters come out and bash buckshot and never give the poster an answer. Did anyone think that maybe he cant use a slug since rifles are also banned in his county? I have hunted places where you're only allowed to use buckshot. I grew up hunting a 20 ga w/ buckshot. I would not reccommend taking a shot further than 50 yards. Buckshot is an effective killing machine. I wish you the best of luck this year and hope you drop a monster with your buckshot.
MB915,
Did you ever stop to think that maybe the rest of us are making a recommendation based on experience? A 20 gauge buckshot load will kill a deer at limited range. In the same gun and at the same range the rifled slug is more effective. Rifled slugs have nothing to do with rifles. They are typically fired from the smooth bore barrels of shotguns.
Gman,
You are talking about doing something (hot waxing a shot charge) that totally changes the dynamic of a load and will greatly increase chamber pressures. A word to the wise... don't do it!
Beekeeper,
I did take that into consideration, and that is why I was also giving my recommendation based on my experience as to the distance he can expect to be effective out to. My point was that when that questions gets asked, no one ever answers the question, they just bash buckshot and tell the person to use a slug instead.
I will not disagree that a rifled slug is more effective. My point is in some counties where I hunt(and possibly others), not only are rifles against the law, but so are rifled slugs, leaving you with buckshot as your only choice(hence my comparison of the two, I am well aware of their differences) that is why he may be asking for guidance on buckshot. Now while it would be better for him to use a slug, he may not have that option. That is why I stand by my statement; that based on my experience that he can be effective out to 50 yards with buckshot fired from a 20 ga.
If explanations are in order here we go...
Let's see, a typical 20 gauge load of #3 buck is 20 pellets leaving the muzzle at a factory spec velocity of 1200 fps. A #3 buckshot is .25 caliber and weighs 24 grains if it is pure lead. At 1200 fps each pellet will have 77 foot pounds of enery. At 1000 fps they will only have 53, at 900 fps the energy level is 43...
I'm no big fan of foot pounds of energy as an indicator of lethality; however, ball diameter here doesn't inspire much confidence for me either. As a self defense load OK. If shots are kept to 25 or yards or less for deer and you can shoot nothing else maybe... 40 to 50 yards forget it, chance of wounding is too great with that pellet.
No doubt many deer have been killed by 20 gauge buckshot loads, but I have to wonder how many have run off to a miserable death or live a life maimed and crippled due to them also. Especially with the seeming willingness to spray them forth at excessive range.
If I were limited to Buckshot for deer in a firearm I would follow one of two choices:
1. I would opt for a 12 gauge shotgun and shoot large pellets 0,00 or 000.
Or
2. I would become an archery hunter.
Is that sufficient?
I was not trying to have a pissing match with you like you seem to think, was just trying to make a point that an answer to the question of using buckshot is better than just telling someone to use slugs. Your answer above would be much more helpfull to someone asking about buckshot opposed to telling them just to use a slug. They can now make a more informed decision as to if they should use buckshot or become an archery hunter if that is their only choice.
I am assuming the percentage of turn wounded from buckshot is the same as it is from archery hunting.
I know from experience, that I shot at 11 different deer with a 20 ga using buckshot, and I killed all 11 with one shot, and only one did not fall in its tracks. So I am confident that with practice and taking only high percentage shots, that the 20 ga with buckshot is a lethal choice.
*deer not turn in the second paragraph. not sure what I was thinking.
""burgerlar shot", "pissed-off leapard shot", or "coyote shot.""
Hey! That's my line! Except I spelled it right when I said it.
Anyways, buckshot is not my thing for deer, as I stated with those quotes some while back, but it can be done if needed. If you HAVE to use buckshot, get the hottest, nastiest 3 inch magnum load of 00 or 000 you can get your hands on screw in a full choke, and keep it under 50, more like 40. Practice a lot, shooting with just a vent rib and bead aint too precise. Foster style (old school rifled slugs) slugs through an improved cylinder or rifled choke would be good too, but if I could only hunt with your shotgun and not one with iron sights or something more precise, I might actually opt for big buckshot to (I can't believe I'm saying this) make up for the lack of precision.
Isn't there something else you can use?
http://www.midwesthuntersoutlet.com/item.aspx?pid=33607
http://www.midwesthuntersoutlet.com/item.aspx?pid=33606
http://www.midwesthuntersoutlet.com/item.aspx?pid=4138
First of all don't listen to all the other b.s. in this article!! I have a twenty guage Ithaca shotgun and would be happy to take it deer hunting anywhere!! I have a mount of a buck that i shot at 110 yards!! I would not hesitate to use it again at that distance!
So get some good ammo and try it for yourself!!
Good Luck!!!
Pattern buckshot,I don't know if beretta wants you to shoot slugs out of her(I would be tempted also)- avoid full choke try Improved cylinder, avoid anything but a 35 yard or less broadside, and I hope you have a young hunter around or a blood dog cause you aren't generally going to get much of a trail, do all this or leave your 5.9 lb skinny barreled upland bird gun at home and break out the trusty 30-06 or bigger, use a solid rest incorporated into your stand and git er done.Don't wound-Harvest.
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I'm not a big fan of buckshot loads for 20 GA guns. rifled slugs would be an option. Try them with open choke tubes installed.
Oh, ethical range for a shotgun with slugs and bead sights, 40-50 yards.
Everytime someone asks about buckshot, all the haters come out and bash buckshot and never give the poster an answer. Did anyone think that maybe he cant use a slug since rifles are also banned in his county? I have hunted places where you're only allowed to use buckshot. I grew up hunting a 20 ga w/ buckshot. I would not reccommend taking a shot further than 50 yards. Buckshot is an effective killing machine. I wish you the best of luck this year and hope you drop a monster with your buckshot.
If explanations are in order here we go...
Let's see, a typical 20 gauge load of #3 buck is 20 pellets leaving the muzzle at a factory spec velocity of 1200 fps. A #3 buckshot is .25 caliber and weighs 24 grains if it is pure lead. At 1200 fps each pellet will have 77 foot pounds of enery. At 1000 fps they will only have 53, at 900 fps the energy level is 43...
I'm no big fan of foot pounds of energy as an indicator of lethality; however, ball diameter here doesn't inspire much confidence for me either. As a self defense load OK. If shots are kept to 25 or yards or less for deer and you can shoot nothing else maybe... 40 to 50 yards forget it, chance of wounding is too great with that pellet.
No doubt many deer have been killed by 20 gauge buckshot loads, but I have to wonder how many have run off to a miserable death or live a life maimed and crippled due to them also. Especially with the seeming willingness to spray them forth at excessive range.
If I were limited to Buckshot for deer in a firearm I would follow one of two choices:
1. I would opt for a 12 gauge shotgun and shoot large pellets 0,00 or 000.
Or
2. I would become an archery hunter.
Is that sufficient?
Slugs definitely and keep the range short like 50 yards or less.
I agree with the guys above me. Use a rifled slug and find out which barrel shots them the best and where you should hold the bead. Limit your shots to no more than 50-60 yards and you'll do well.
BTW I have and love my Silver Pigeon in 28 ga.
First of all don't listen to all the other b.s. in this article!! I have a twenty guage Ithaca shotgun and would be happy to take it deer hunting anywhere!! I have a mount of a buck that i shot at 110 yards!! I would not hesitate to use it again at that distance!
So get some good ammo and try it for yourself!!
Good Luck!!!
you read my mind beekeep. Go with the slugs in my opinion. If you can, mount a scope. I would say with a scope and some practice, up to 70 yards is about as far as i would shoot
you read my mind beekeep. Go with the slugs in my opinion. If you can, mount a scope. I would say with a scope and some practice, up to 70 yards is about as far as i would shoot
oh woops. i didn't see that you said it was an over under. that's a beautiful shotgun. i would NOT mount a scope on that beauty. sorry.
oh woops. i didn't see that you said it was an over under. that's a beautiful shotgun. i would NOT mount a scope on that beauty. sorry.
MB915,
Did you ever stop to think that maybe the rest of us are making a recommendation based on experience? A 20 gauge buckshot load will kill a deer at limited range. In the same gun and at the same range the rifled slug is more effective. Rifled slugs have nothing to do with rifles. They are typically fired from the smooth bore barrels of shotguns.
Gman,
You are talking about doing something (hot waxing a shot charge) that totally changes the dynamic of a load and will greatly increase chamber pressures. A word to the wise... don't do it!
Beekeeper,
I did take that into consideration, and that is why I was also giving my recommendation based on my experience as to the distance he can expect to be effective out to. My point was that when that questions gets asked, no one ever answers the question, they just bash buckshot and tell the person to use a slug instead.
I will not disagree that a rifled slug is more effective. My point is in some counties where I hunt(and possibly others), not only are rifles against the law, but so are rifled slugs, leaving you with buckshot as your only choice(hence my comparison of the two, I am well aware of their differences) that is why he may be asking for guidance on buckshot. Now while it would be better for him to use a slug, he may not have that option. That is why I stand by my statement; that based on my experience that he can be effective out to 50 yards with buckshot fired from a 20 ga.
I was not trying to have a pissing match with you like you seem to think, was just trying to make a point that an answer to the question of using buckshot is better than just telling someone to use slugs. Your answer above would be much more helpfull to someone asking about buckshot opposed to telling them just to use a slug. They can now make a more informed decision as to if they should use buckshot or become an archery hunter if that is their only choice.
I am assuming the percentage of turn wounded from buckshot is the same as it is from archery hunting.
I know from experience, that I shot at 11 different deer with a 20 ga using buckshot, and I killed all 11 with one shot, and only one did not fall in its tracks. So I am confident that with practice and taking only high percentage shots, that the 20 ga with buckshot is a lethal choice.
*deer not turn in the second paragraph. not sure what I was thinking.
""burgerlar shot", "pissed-off leapard shot", or "coyote shot.""
Hey! That's my line! Except I spelled it right when I said it.
Anyways, buckshot is not my thing for deer, as I stated with those quotes some while back, but it can be done if needed. If you HAVE to use buckshot, get the hottest, nastiest 3 inch magnum load of 00 or 000 you can get your hands on screw in a full choke, and keep it under 50, more like 40. Practice a lot, shooting with just a vent rib and bead aint too precise. Foster style (old school rifled slugs) slugs through an improved cylinder or rifled choke would be good too, but if I could only hunt with your shotgun and not one with iron sights or something more precise, I might actually opt for big buckshot to (I can't believe I'm saying this) make up for the lack of precision.
Isn't there something else you can use?
http://www.midwesthuntersoutlet.com/item.aspx?pid=33607
http://www.midwesthuntersoutlet.com/item.aspx?pid=33606
http://www.midwesthuntersoutlet.com/item.aspx?pid=4138
Pattern buckshot,I don't know if beretta wants you to shoot slugs out of her(I would be tempted also)- avoid full choke try Improved cylinder, avoid anything but a 35 yard or less broadside, and I hope you have a young hunter around or a blood dog cause you aren't generally going to get much of a trail, do all this or leave your 5.9 lb skinny barreled upland bird gun at home and break out the trusty 30-06 or bigger, use a solid rest incorporated into your stand and git er done.Don't wound-Harvest.
I think it is very UNETHICAL to shoot a deer with buckshot. I shouldn't be called buckshot. It should be called "burgerlar shot", "pissed-off leapard shot", or "coyote shot." To kill a deer ethically witha shotgun you need to use slugs NOT SHOT!
they wouldn't allow buckshot if it didn't get the job done. with a 20ga loaded with buckshot 50-60 yards i have even heard of people shooting deer at 100 yards with a 20 gauge loaded with buckshot.the only thing is they cut the tops of the shells off and shaked out all the packing and filled it with hot wax i have seen them shoot the shells before they hold a good pattern out to distance of 80 yards that what they were target praticing at but about every 5 shots they swabbed the barrell.never seen what its does to a deer though.
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