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ANYBODY SKYDIVE? Carney and another regular wanted to put skydiving on their bucket list. If you are not too crusty of an old fart, you could join the U.S. Army Airborne Corps and get a little taste. Then if you were good enough for spec ops, you might get to be HALO and HAHO qualified. If not, you could join a skydiving club and "get your knees in the breeze".
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I will never forget that special time I spent at Ft.Benning, and then at Ft.Bragg...I have to say if a young person really wants to feel "out there" this is it! not just the big plane jumps, but some twin otter's , some chinocks(sp) and helocopter jumps what a time! I really think if our country made at least a 3 yr stint mandatory we would be a stronger nation.IMO
Been there, done that. Never did go as far as HALO.
"All The Way" Airborne!!!
i have considered blue to green just to be airborne.
Never seen any need in jumping out of a perfectly good airplane!
hey bee
who said they (airplane) are good?
Made one of each in Viet Nam (no prior training) in order to get combat photo's have no plans to repeat them at my advanced age (69 in Aug). It was fun though.
Moishe
Was that a takeoff and landing one of each! Ha HA
Nope it was a jump.
I prefer to keep my underwear clean and dry. Jumping out of a plane would not be condusive to that desire.
I made 40 sport jumps when I was much younger--about 25 years ago. We always said it was the best thing you can do with your pants on.
Beekeeper-
Obviously, you were not crazy when you were 19. Can't say the same for some others, myself included.
crm3006
Don't know about you, but most of the boys I went through jump school with had never been ON an airplane before! Greyhound and Trailways was the principal carrier of Uncle Sam back in the day! HA!
A wealthy aunt had taken my brother and me to New York City in 1964 to the World's Fair, so I was a "veteran" of Eastern Airlines! LMAO
PS
Never claimed not to be a little crazy at 19.5 either! Later years, we used to jump at the South Georgia Parachute Assoc in Cussetta, GA when we had spare change until the CG at Benning put all sport clubs off-limits except the Fort Benning parachute club due to a rash of serious injuries at SGPA. A couple of guys in my outfit got Article 15's for violating that policy.
It's a miracle any of us are still walking around.
Beekeeper,
My Mother usually say that a lot to my Father and myself of why would you want to "jump out of a perfectly good airplane"..All We could say to her Airborne "All The Way"!!!
WA Mtnhunter-
Absolutely correct. I took my first airplane ride from the AFEES Center in OKC to the Ft. Polk, LA airfield, at age 18.
WA Mtnhunter-
I remember when the CG did that. No sport jumping, and no "free fall." All jumps had to be under the auspices of the Jump School. Then the Golden Knights put on an exhibition, and all did a HALO and all landed on the same spot inside the towers!
When were you at Ft Polk and in the Herd?
Ft. Polk, Jun 69 - Aug 69
WRAMC, Aug 69 - Dec 69
Ft. Benning, Jan 70 - Apr 70
RVN (173rd Abn Bde) Apr 70 - Apr 71
Ft. Benning, May 71 - Nov 71
Ft. Gordon, Nov 71 - Jan 72 (ETS)
Spent several more years with the 95th Div(TNG) out of OKC,OK.
crm
'30/06,
I was about as crazy as any 19 year old. Pulled some stupid stunts. I even began to lear to fly at that age. An older buddy and I would take his Cub out and try and do low level bombing runs on gators lying on sand bars in the river. Our bombs, Citrons or course!
Bet there are very few out ther besides SGA'neck and maybe Del and WMH that know what a citron is.. LOL!
Citron is the stuff they put in fruitcake to make it nasty. Never knew it was a real fruit. Somewhat like an orange?
BTW, Beekeeper, is there any way to keep honey from going to sugar? Proper storage, temperature, anything?
After the Army, I kept my craziness down to fast cars and bad horses. Finally out grew that, too. LMSAO!!
crm
crm
Fort Polk Sep 70- Jan 71
Fort Benning Jan 71
173rd Feb 1971 - Aug 71 (deactivation)
MACV Aug 71- April 72
CRM you are both correct and incorrect...
A Citron is a wild watermelon. They never turn red and have a very hard, thick rind. Used to be the bane of row crop farmers in the south.
As you define it you are correct, Citron in a culinary sense is rind of a lemon like fruit known for its bitterness and also for ruining many a fruit cake, yuck...
As for the honey. Store your honey in a warm, dark location. If you see the honey begin to cloud or develop a haze (begin to crystallize) place the container in the top rack of your dishwasher and run it through a normal wash cycle. Do not use the heat dry. Make sure the lid is firmly on the container. If it is one of the plastic flip top types place a layer of sandwich wrap under the lid before you try this.
The honey will be gently heated during this process and won't be over heated which ruins the flavor.
Cheers!
Bee
WA Mtnhunter-
Were you operating out of LZ English, or An Khe?
Both up on the hill at Mang Yang pass and down at LZE and Qui Nhon as the brigade stood down. Which batallion were you in?
Beekeeper-
Thank you for the honey answer.
Scout Dog Platoon, attached to the Eng. Bat.
Woof! You were at English and then all over too, huh?
We got some puppyf***ers out with us once in a while. Great to have around working in the ville's.
B/3/503 and N/75 for a month.
'Bout sums it up. We worked with every Bat. and N/75, and pulled some security down around Camp Humper for B&R.
This reminds me of a Friend at Holloman AFB, Alamogordo New Mexico. As he was Hang Gliding, an F-5 shot by between him and the ground!
I got assigned to MACV as the BDE stood down. Thought I was getting a cush job when I got those orders to Saigon/MACV. I quickly found out that my Saigon trip was only for in processing for pay and BS then bounced my butt to Nha Trang and then on to Kontum with an advisory team. Saw way more with the nung and yard forces up ther than with the Bde.
I was active as a sport parachutist from March 1968 to November 1992 (USPA B-8516) and enjoyed it very much. I'd crafted a helmet-mount for one of my 35mmSLRs and hoped to transition to freefall video with a different camera mount, but I fractured my left tibia and fibula on a hook-turn landing (avoiding a parked aircraft) at Elsinore, CA. An orthopedic surgeon installed some hardware in the left leg, and that was my last jump. My wife made five jumps in 1981, and I was impressed (I'm still impressed). My daughter made her first leap this past summer. The sport was very good to me, and I'm grateful for the jumps I made, for every second spent in freefall, and for the R/W I shared with other skydivers. It was a wonderful time of development in the sport.
Edward J. Palumbo
Man, sorry to hear that NO JOKE!
I hope it doesn't bother your diving
I'm Airborne Qualified... Ft. Benning 96
Went to leg unit afterwards haven't jumped static line or or free fall (sky diving) since school.
But it is a thrill and my wife wants to do it. There is an airfield that has a skydiving service about 6 miles from us so I think for our anniversary or her Birthday.. Taxes are due in and I have a little more time on my hands
They don't free fall or skydive in Airborne School .. thought I'd say that before someone said I was makin stuff up. I just haven't jumped since 96
Palumbo, did you ever meet a guy named Popenhager--I think he was D-49. He was one of the old timers that trained me back in the 80's. Sorry to hear about your injury. My hardware came from motorcycles, but I know what it's like. I know what you mean about hanging around with good people at the drop zone. It's a little like hunting camp but different.
Bee,
I so know what a citron is. I have never figured out what they are good for, except target practice. Looks like you figured out a good use for them.
I have never had the urge to jump out of anything. I pursued flying lessons (and loved the **** outa that)in college but the $$$ ran out. I keep threatening to get back to that. My wife reminds me that musicians and aircraft don't gehaw.......
haha i always dreamed of being a special operations soldier, like in green berets,and things like that, but unfortunately its kinda tough when your 6'3", an 290 pounds, not very stealthy, haha... always thought skydiving would be fun, but dont think it will ever happen.
http://www.parachuting.com/training/military.html
Seadog,
I remember a Paul Poppenhager, who racked up quite a few jumps and regularly appeared in Parachutist Magazine and Skydiver Magazine. Most of my jumps were made in southern California and the NE (Lakewood, NJ; Burlington, NJ, Orange, MA) a few in the midwest (Tahlequah, OK) and a few in PNW (northern Oregon and Snohomish, WA), but Poppenhager's AO was in Florida, if memory serves me.
Clay Cooper,
I remain active as a PADI-certified Rescue Diver (equipment tech, habitat diver, etc.), primarily as a dive coordinator and safety diver, in the Puget Sound and Hood Canal. Diving is "low-impact", and my legs don't take the hammering they did in stand-up landings. The worst part of my diving is carrying the gear to my shore entry and back to the truck, but the biosystem in the Northwest is colorful, abundant, diverse, and it keeps me coming back for more. I hope to dive as long as good health permits, but cold-water diving is draining. I'd like to spend more time in warmer water in 2010.
Seadog,
I don't imply that Poppenhager limited himself to Florida, but I believe he operated a DZ or FBO in Kissimmee, Indiantown or Deland.
Ed
86Ram
Unless you voluntarily terminate, you're still a paratrooper. those that terminate are affectionately known as quitters.
At Ft. Benning in 1971 did some rappelling in NCO school. While in 'Nam I rappelled out of a UH 1 from over 100 ft up. That was enough high stuff for me. C Co. 1 Bn 501 inf, 101st Inf Div "Screaming Eagles"
Del
I don't know why, but rappelling always scared the crap out of me. A group of us from Benning once rappelled all the way down the face of Stone Mountain, GA for a Ranger recruiting demo. Had to change lines three times on the way down due to the height. We were there for the entire July 4th weekend as I recall. The second time I did it, it rattled me so bad I could not do it again.
Just once - I'll post the story in Campfire.
SGA,
I gave it up too. Flying is a rich mans game. Upkeep, annuals, insurance and av gas have driven many a pilot to ground these days.
Yes, musicians have had a hard time with aircraft... your wife sounds like a smart lady! Lots of them booked flights on worn out old pond hoppers, Skynyrd is a prime example of that.
WA Mtnhunter.. I earned those wings and I wouldn't give em up for nothin. AIRBORNE
WA Mtnhunter you were in SOG? MACV Wow you guys did alot of good stuff.
Only thing bout Jumping and Rappelling the seat / straps if they ain't tight and snug they bite into places they don't belong.... it's a long way to the ground if that happens
Palumbo,
That's him. It was Indiantown--they shared a grass runway with a hang-gliding outfit. When I went there, his son (I think Paul Jr) was flying--still a teenager at the time--& his daughters were rigging chutes. Great group of people--the family & the whole gang of jumpers. I didn't keep in touch but I think the place closed down.
crm3006 what'd you do as an ENG. My father in law was an Eng.
Last year I was watching the 5 o'clock news and got a big surprise. There was one of my old CO's (a skydiving fanatic) at a demonstration. Major Scott Halleck made the news by hitting some little old lady as he came down. Not sure what his rank is now surely he is retired.
About 10 years ago one of the guys at the plant who was ex-airborne was killed in a plane crash with several other skydivers. The plane had engine trouble and they decided it was not necessary to jump and the pilot crashed while trying to land.
Oh, and yes I have seen plenty of citrons.
Seadog,
Blue skies and soft landings to you. It IS a small world! Glad to see you on this forum.
Ed
86Ram
For the record, I was not a SOG operator nor did I attempt to create that impression. We worked with regional forces and ARVN units to train and advise.
I never made any combat jumps over there either. The only recognized combat jump was in 1967 in Operation Junction City by the 173rd Abn Brigade long before mine and crm3006's time.
The late Col. Robert Howard, a former CO of mine, was one of the finest SOG members and was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor. I think there were 13 CMOH awardees in SOG and should have been more..
Back at you Ed. Small world indeed.
WA Mtnhunter: Didn't mean to strike a nerve. I don't know alot about either group but I know they worked hand in hand at times and were a great part of military history.
I appoligize if I came off in an implying manner.
86Ram
No, no, no. No nerve struck and no foul my friend. My SOG friends would whup my ass if I let that slide and not clarify your post. SOG was "disbanded" in 1971 and changed hats so to speak. The mission was just given another name, like Task Force 2 Advisory Element, and continued until the NVA overran most of the oparea. Didn't need much crossborder intel when the tanks rolled through!
WA Mtnhunter: Glad to hear it. I guess tanks overrunning a position or their presence would hinder any recon / AO.
T-34's were an antique POS, but a heck of a tank if you were on the ground without tacair, lots of tacair.
I'll bet they were. Too bad y'all didn't have the can openers available today... That A-10 alone or A knock out combo Apache and Cobra.
The Huey is still an awesome bird in my book.. too bad The only branch still usin em and Cobras is the Corps.
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Been there, done that. Never did go as far as HALO.
I will never forget that special time I spent at Ft.Benning, and then at Ft.Bragg...I have to say if a young person really wants to feel "out there" this is it! not just the big plane jumps, but some twin otter's , some chinocks(sp) and helocopter jumps what a time! I really think if our country made at least a 3 yr stint mandatory we would be a stronger nation.IMO
"All The Way" Airborne!!!
Beekeeper-
Obviously, you were not crazy when you were 19. Can't say the same for some others, myself included.
CRM you are both correct and incorrect...
A Citron is a wild watermelon. They never turn red and have a very hard, thick rind. Used to be the bane of row crop farmers in the south.
As you define it you are correct, Citron in a culinary sense is rind of a lemon like fruit known for its bitterness and also for ruining many a fruit cake, yuck...
As for the honey. Store your honey in a warm, dark location. If you see the honey begin to cloud or develop a haze (begin to crystallize) place the container in the top rack of your dishwasher and run it through a normal wash cycle. Do not use the heat dry. Make sure the lid is firmly on the container. If it is one of the plastic flip top types place a layer of sandwich wrap under the lid before you try this.
The honey will be gently heated during this process and won't be over heated which ruins the flavor.
Cheers!
Bee
I got assigned to MACV as the BDE stood down. Thought I was getting a cush job when I got those orders to Saigon/MACV. I quickly found out that my Saigon trip was only for in processing for pay and BS then bounced my butt to Nha Trang and then on to Kontum with an advisory team. Saw way more with the nung and yard forces up ther than with the Bde.
i have considered blue to green just to be airborne.
Never seen any need in jumping out of a perfectly good airplane!
I was active as a sport parachutist from March 1968 to November 1992 (USPA B-8516) and enjoyed it very much. I'd crafted a helmet-mount for one of my 35mmSLRs and hoped to transition to freefall video with a different camera mount, but I fractured my left tibia and fibula on a hook-turn landing (avoiding a parked aircraft) at Elsinore, CA. An orthopedic surgeon installed some hardware in the left leg, and that was my last jump. My wife made five jumps in 1981, and I was impressed (I'm still impressed). My daughter made her first leap this past summer. The sport was very good to me, and I'm grateful for the jumps I made, for every second spent in freefall, and for the R/W I shared with other skydivers. It was a wonderful time of development in the sport.
hey bee
who said they (airplane) are good?
Made one of each in Viet Nam (no prior training) in order to get combat photo's have no plans to repeat them at my advanced age (69 in Aug). It was fun though.
Nope it was a jump.
I prefer to keep my underwear clean and dry. Jumping out of a plane would not be condusive to that desire.
PS
Never claimed not to be a little crazy at 19.5 either! Later years, we used to jump at the South Georgia Parachute Assoc in Cussetta, GA when we had spare change until the CG at Benning put all sport clubs off-limits except the Fort Benning parachute club due to a rash of serious injuries at SGPA. A couple of guys in my outfit got Article 15's for violating that policy.
It's a miracle any of us are still walking around.
Beekeeper,
My Mother usually say that a lot to my Father and myself of why would you want to "jump out of a perfectly good airplane"..All We could say to her Airborne "All The Way"!!!
WA Mtnhunter-
Absolutely correct. I took my first airplane ride from the AFEES Center in OKC to the Ft. Polk, LA airfield, at age 18.
WA Mtnhunter-
I remember when the CG did that. No sport jumping, and no "free fall." All jumps had to be under the auspices of the Jump School. Then the Golden Knights put on an exhibition, and all did a HALO and all landed on the same spot inside the towers!
When were you at Ft Polk and in the Herd?
Ft. Polk, Jun 69 - Aug 69
WRAMC, Aug 69 - Dec 69
Ft. Benning, Jan 70 - Apr 70
RVN (173rd Abn Bde) Apr 70 - Apr 71
Ft. Benning, May 71 - Nov 71
Ft. Gordon, Nov 71 - Jan 72 (ETS)
Spent several more years with the 95th Div(TNG) out of OKC,OK.
crm
'30/06,
I was about as crazy as any 19 year old. Pulled some stupid stunts. I even began to lear to fly at that age. An older buddy and I would take his Cub out and try and do low level bombing runs on gators lying on sand bars in the river. Our bombs, Citrons or course!
Bet there are very few out ther besides SGA'neck and maybe Del and WMH that know what a citron is.. LOL!
Citron is the stuff they put in fruitcake to make it nasty. Never knew it was a real fruit. Somewhat like an orange?
BTW, Beekeeper, is there any way to keep honey from going to sugar? Proper storage, temperature, anything?
After the Army, I kept my craziness down to fast cars and bad horses. Finally out grew that, too. LMSAO!!
crm
crm
Fort Polk Sep 70- Jan 71
Fort Benning Jan 71
173rd Feb 1971 - Aug 71 (deactivation)
MACV Aug 71- April 72
WA Mtnhunter-
Were you operating out of LZ English, or An Khe?
Both up on the hill at Mang Yang pass and down at LZE and Qui Nhon as the brigade stood down. Which batallion were you in?
Beekeeper-
Thank you for the honey answer.
Scout Dog Platoon, attached to the Eng. Bat.
Woof! You were at English and then all over too, huh?
We got some puppyf***ers out with us once in a while. Great to have around working in the ville's.
B/3/503 and N/75 for a month.
'Bout sums it up. We worked with every Bat. and N/75, and pulled some security down around Camp Humper for B&R.
I'm Airborne Qualified... Ft. Benning 96
Went to leg unit afterwards haven't jumped static line or or free fall (sky diving) since school.
But it is a thrill and my wife wants to do it. There is an airfield that has a skydiving service about 6 miles from us so I think for our anniversary or her Birthday.. Taxes are due in and I have a little more time on my hands
They don't free fall or skydive in Airborne School .. thought I'd say that before someone said I was makin stuff up. I just haven't jumped since 96
Bee,
I so know what a citron is. I have never figured out what they are good for, except target practice. Looks like you figured out a good use for them.
I have never had the urge to jump out of anything. I pursued flying lessons (and loved the **** outa that)in college but the $$$ ran out. I keep threatening to get back to that. My wife reminds me that musicians and aircraft don't gehaw.......
haha i always dreamed of being a special operations soldier, like in green berets,and things like that, but unfortunately its kinda tough when your 6'3", an 290 pounds, not very stealthy, haha... always thought skydiving would be fun, but dont think it will ever happen.
86Ram
Unless you voluntarily terminate, you're still a paratrooper. those that terminate are affectionately known as quitters.
At Ft. Benning in 1971 did some rappelling in NCO school. While in 'Nam I rappelled out of a UH 1 from over 100 ft up. That was enough high stuff for me. C Co. 1 Bn 501 inf, 101st Inf Div "Screaming Eagles"
SGA,
I gave it up too. Flying is a rich mans game. Upkeep, annuals, insurance and av gas have driven many a pilot to ground these days.
Yes, musicians have had a hard time with aircraft... your wife sounds like a smart lady! Lots of them booked flights on worn out old pond hoppers, Skynyrd is a prime example of that.
WA Mtnhunter.. I earned those wings and I wouldn't give em up for nothin. AIRBORNE
I made 40 sport jumps when I was much younger--about 25 years ago. We always said it was the best thing you can do with your pants on.
crm3006
Don't know about you, but most of the boys I went through jump school with had never been ON an airplane before! Greyhound and Trailways was the principal carrier of Uncle Sam back in the day! HA!
A wealthy aunt had taken my brother and me to New York City in 1964 to the World's Fair, so I was a "veteran" of Eastern Airlines! LMAO
Palumbo, did you ever meet a guy named Popenhager--I think he was D-49. He was one of the old timers that trained me back in the 80's. Sorry to hear about your injury. My hardware came from motorcycles, but I know what it's like. I know what you mean about hanging around with good people at the drop zone. It's a little like hunting camp but different.
Seadog,
I remember a Paul Poppenhager, who racked up quite a few jumps and regularly appeared in Parachutist Magazine and Skydiver Magazine. Most of my jumps were made in southern California and the NE (Lakewood, NJ; Burlington, NJ, Orange, MA) a few in the midwest (Tahlequah, OK) and a few in PNW (northern Oregon and Snohomish, WA), but Poppenhager's AO was in Florida, if memory serves me.
Clay Cooper,
I remain active as a PADI-certified Rescue Diver (equipment tech, habitat diver, etc.), primarily as a dive coordinator and safety diver, in the Puget Sound and Hood Canal. Diving is "low-impact", and my legs don't take the hammering they did in stand-up landings. The worst part of my diving is carrying the gear to my shore entry and back to the truck, but the biosystem in the Northwest is colorful, abundant, diverse, and it keeps me coming back for more. I hope to dive as long as good health permits, but cold-water diving is draining. I'd like to spend more time in warmer water in 2010.
Seadog,
I don't imply that Poppenhager limited himself to Florida, but I believe he operated a DZ or FBO in Kissimmee, Indiantown or Deland.
Ed
Del
I don't know why, but rappelling always scared the crap out of me. A group of us from Benning once rappelled all the way down the face of Stone Mountain, GA for a Ranger recruiting demo. Had to change lines three times on the way down due to the height. We were there for the entire July 4th weekend as I recall. The second time I did it, it rattled me so bad I could not do it again.
Just once - I'll post the story in Campfire.
WA Mtnhunter you were in SOG? MACV Wow you guys did alot of good stuff.
Only thing bout Jumping and Rappelling the seat / straps if they ain't tight and snug they bite into places they don't belong.... it's a long way to the ground if that happens
Palumbo,
That's him. It was Indiantown--they shared a grass runway with a hang-gliding outfit. When I went there, his son (I think Paul Jr) was flying--still a teenager at the time--& his daughters were rigging chutes. Great group of people--the family & the whole gang of jumpers. I didn't keep in touch but I think the place closed down.
crm3006 what'd you do as an ENG. My father in law was an Eng.
Last year I was watching the 5 o'clock news and got a big surprise. There was one of my old CO's (a skydiving fanatic) at a demonstration. Major Scott Halleck made the news by hitting some little old lady as he came down. Not sure what his rank is now surely he is retired.
About 10 years ago one of the guys at the plant who was ex-airborne was killed in a plane crash with several other skydivers. The plane had engine trouble and they decided it was not necessary to jump and the pilot crashed while trying to land.
Oh, and yes I have seen plenty of citrons.
Seadog,
Blue skies and soft landings to you. It IS a small world! Glad to see you on this forum.
Ed
86Ram
For the record, I was not a SOG operator nor did I attempt to create that impression. We worked with regional forces and ARVN units to train and advise.
I never made any combat jumps over there either. The only recognized combat jump was in 1967 in Operation Junction City by the 173rd Abn Brigade long before mine and crm3006's time.
The late Col. Robert Howard, a former CO of mine, was one of the finest SOG members and was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor. I think there were 13 CMOH awardees in SOG and should have been more..
Back at you Ed. Small world indeed.
WA Mtnhunter: Didn't mean to strike a nerve. I don't know alot about either group but I know they worked hand in hand at times and were a great part of military history.
I appoligize if I came off in an implying manner.
86Ram
No, no, no. No nerve struck and no foul my friend. My SOG friends would whup my ass if I let that slide and not clarify your post. SOG was "disbanded" in 1971 and changed hats so to speak. The mission was just given another name, like Task Force 2 Advisory Element, and continued until the NVA overran most of the oparea. Didn't need much crossborder intel when the tanks rolled through!
WA Mtnhunter: Glad to hear it. I guess tanks overrunning a position or their presence would hinder any recon / AO.
T-34's were an antique POS, but a heck of a tank if you were on the ground without tacair, lots of tacair.
This reminds me of a Friend at Holloman AFB, Alamogordo New Mexico. As he was Hang Gliding, an F-5 shot by between him and the ground!
Edward J. Palumbo
Man, sorry to hear that NO JOKE!
I hope it doesn't bother your diving
I'll bet they were. Too bad y'all didn't have the can openers available today... That A-10 alone or A knock out combo Apache and Cobra.
The Huey is still an awesome bird in my book.. too bad The only branch still usin em and Cobras is the Corps.
http://www.parachuting.com/training/military.html
Moishe
Was that a takeoff and landing one of each! Ha HA
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