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In Arkansas, many of the game wardens swear that there are no mountain lions in the state. However, many people claim to see them, in fact, recently there have been car accidents where the mountain lions are hit. Yet, the game wardens stand strong on their belief that there are no mountian lions here. Just the other day, my friend checked his trail cam and hit treasure. He has a photo of a mountian lion with a buck in its mouth. He printed off several copies and has sent a copy of the memory card and printed picture to some game wardens, soon we will see what they have to say. Anybody, especially from Arkansas, have any comments or stories about mountian lions. Please share.

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from Elmer Fudd wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago
from cody r wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

theres moutain lions and black panthers all over the south the game wardens dont want people to know about them so people wont hunt them somebody in knoxville tennessee got pictures of one on his trail camera

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from Taylor Kash wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

No, Elmer Fudd, that is a decoy buck.

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from Edward J. Palumbo wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I don't know what motive the game wardens would have to say there are NO mountain lions in the state, and I think it's a brash, ill-advised statement to make. I'm not certain if they're misinformed or if they're concerned it'll affect tourism.
I lived in southern California for 25 years and remember conflicting reports from wildlife biologists about the population density of mountain lions in the Cleveland National Forest. I believe the official position was one in every five square miles. Under later discussion or examination, the state biologist "adjusted" his estimate when mountain lions began to appear at campgrounds and south Orange County shopping malls (dumpster diving).

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from kolbster wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

there are several people i know who have said they have seen one, but that may just be people talking. but i know for sure there are black panthers around! by the way im in western NC

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from BioGuy wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Everyone knows my position on this by now...solid evidence is necessary...pictures don't cut the mustard(too much can be done with photoshop and the internet these days). Let us know when one turns up dead...they're not invincible. If there as many mountain lions as people are claiming to see, it's only a matter of time...right?

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from Big O wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Have'nt you heard there are no Mt. Lions ANYWHERE "back east".(lol) Oh wait the Game and Fish in Lous. just got "BUSTED" for saying the same thing !
I'm in Ark as well and I've seen them ! 2x over the years. Either that or it was just someones 80/100 lb "house cats" !

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from fisherboy-1 wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I don't live in the states, but where I do live we thought that there where know mt. lions but then they were in my home town, like in the middle of my h.t. But the only diffrence is that the wardens said that they were their.

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from jordjohn44 wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

They denied the presence of cougars (mountain lions) here in Michigan for years. There were thousands of sightings and lots of roadkill but they still kept denying them. Eventually about 3 or 4 years ago they finally decided to acknowledge them.

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from rabbitpolice88 wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

The DNR says the same thing about cotton mouths in North Ga. I can assure you they are alive and will up here. I sometimes wonder why they keep saying " no" when there are so many reported sightings?

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from shane wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Cougar presence status is strictly on a need to know basis.

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from Elmer Fudd wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I think the game and fish people get confused too. What they need to be saying is it's time to get excited when there is evidence of a reproducing population, just seeing some is not good evidence for a number of reasons including fraud and mis-identification

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Part of the problem is whether or not the sightings are actually wild cougars. The above comment about oversized "house cats" is actually not that far off the mark. In many areas the sightings of reurrected cougar populations are in fact peoples' pets turned loose. Some folks with more money than brains buy these exotic kittens to make a fashion statement or whatever and then find that keeping the grown up animal in their home is more than they can handle (DUH!). Rather than put the animal down, they do the "Born Free" thing and liberate it in the wild. These cats typically wind up being the road kills, dumpster divers, pet killers, and potential child killers But the authorities are reluctant to count them as wild cougars. For good reason.

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from Cgull wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I live in Arkansas and have seen mtn lions as has some members of my family. Ar game and fish say there are no wild mtn lions in Ar and the lions seen and reported are pets that have been free'd. There are several reasons brought up at deer camp to why Ar Game and Fish deny mountain Lions are here. These free roaming pets can and will start breeding at some time and Ar will have Mtn Lion populations.

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from BioGuy wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I mentioned on a previous post about mountain lions that finances come into play too. Managing the species that already exist is a very expensive endeavor...managing a populations of animals that "maybe" exist is just plain irresponsible. Solid evidence is needed before any action can be taken.

To straight out deny that mountain lions could exist somewhere is also irresponsible. If there is one thing that biologists and game wardens should learn over time, it is that wildlife is if full of surprises, and although occurances may be unlikely, they are not impossible.

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from muskiemaster wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Wisconsin finally recognized that there are mountain lions in the state. After some hunters treed it with there hounds while bobcat hunting and had picture proof.

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from LesserSon wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Well, I was turkey hunting in northcentral PA this Saturday, and I saw a fox squirrel on top of a forested mountain. My buddy is a forester, and declared that fox squirrels do not live on forested mountains, nor does their range extend to the part of PA where we were hunting. He says it was just a large gray squirrel, but I realize now that it was a cougar;)

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from Taylor Kash wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

Bioguy, my friend sent in the actual memory card, so that they have the true proof.
Cgull and BigO, it is nice to see that more people from Arkansas agree with me.
I find these discussions interesting, im sure i will be shunned someday for denying an animal species in a state too, i wanna be a wildlife biologist someday.

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from jordjohn44 wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

They denied the presence of cougars (mountain lions) here in Michigan for years. There were thousands of sightings and lots of roadkill but they still kept denying them. Eventually about 3 or 4 years ago they finally decided to acknowledge them.

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from Elmer Fudd wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago
from cody r wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

theres moutain lions and black panthers all over the south the game wardens dont want people to know about them so people wont hunt them somebody in knoxville tennessee got pictures of one on his trail camera

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from Taylor Kash wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

No, Elmer Fudd, that is a decoy buck.

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from Edward J. Palumbo wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I don't know what motive the game wardens would have to say there are NO mountain lions in the state, and I think it's a brash, ill-advised statement to make. I'm not certain if they're misinformed or if they're concerned it'll affect tourism.
I lived in southern California for 25 years and remember conflicting reports from wildlife biologists about the population density of mountain lions in the Cleveland National Forest. I believe the official position was one in every five square miles. Under later discussion or examination, the state biologist "adjusted" his estimate when mountain lions began to appear at campgrounds and south Orange County shopping malls (dumpster diving).

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from kolbster wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

there are several people i know who have said they have seen one, but that may just be people talking. but i know for sure there are black panthers around! by the way im in western NC

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from BioGuy wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Everyone knows my position on this by now...solid evidence is necessary...pictures don't cut the mustard(too much can be done with photoshop and the internet these days). Let us know when one turns up dead...they're not invincible. If there as many mountain lions as people are claiming to see, it's only a matter of time...right?

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from Big O wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Have'nt you heard there are no Mt. Lions ANYWHERE "back east".(lol) Oh wait the Game and Fish in Lous. just got "BUSTED" for saying the same thing !
I'm in Ark as well and I've seen them ! 2x over the years. Either that or it was just someones 80/100 lb "house cats" !

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from fisherboy-1 wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I don't live in the states, but where I do live we thought that there where know mt. lions but then they were in my home town, like in the middle of my h.t. But the only diffrence is that the wardens said that they were their.

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from rabbitpolice88 wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

The DNR says the same thing about cotton mouths in North Ga. I can assure you they are alive and will up here. I sometimes wonder why they keep saying " no" when there are so many reported sightings?

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from shane wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Cougar presence status is strictly on a need to know basis.

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from Elmer Fudd wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I think the game and fish people get confused too. What they need to be saying is it's time to get excited when there is evidence of a reproducing population, just seeing some is not good evidence for a number of reasons including fraud and mis-identification

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Part of the problem is whether or not the sightings are actually wild cougars. The above comment about oversized "house cats" is actually not that far off the mark. In many areas the sightings of reurrected cougar populations are in fact peoples' pets turned loose. Some folks with more money than brains buy these exotic kittens to make a fashion statement or whatever and then find that keeping the grown up animal in their home is more than they can handle (DUH!). Rather than put the animal down, they do the "Born Free" thing and liberate it in the wild. These cats typically wind up being the road kills, dumpster divers, pet killers, and potential child killers But the authorities are reluctant to count them as wild cougars. For good reason.

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from Cgull wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I live in Arkansas and have seen mtn lions as has some members of my family. Ar game and fish say there are no wild mtn lions in Ar and the lions seen and reported are pets that have been free'd. There are several reasons brought up at deer camp to why Ar Game and Fish deny mountain Lions are here. These free roaming pets can and will start breeding at some time and Ar will have Mtn Lion populations.

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from BioGuy wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I mentioned on a previous post about mountain lions that finances come into play too. Managing the species that already exist is a very expensive endeavor...managing a populations of animals that "maybe" exist is just plain irresponsible. Solid evidence is needed before any action can be taken.

To straight out deny that mountain lions could exist somewhere is also irresponsible. If there is one thing that biologists and game wardens should learn over time, it is that wildlife is if full of surprises, and although occurances may be unlikely, they are not impossible.

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from muskiemaster wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Wisconsin finally recognized that there are mountain lions in the state. After some hunters treed it with there hounds while bobcat hunting and had picture proof.

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from LesserSon wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Well, I was turkey hunting in northcentral PA this Saturday, and I saw a fox squirrel on top of a forested mountain. My buddy is a forester, and declared that fox squirrels do not live on forested mountains, nor does their range extend to the part of PA where we were hunting. He says it was just a large gray squirrel, but I realize now that it was a cougar;)

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from Taylor Kash wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

Bioguy, my friend sent in the actual memory card, so that they have the true proof.
Cgull and BigO, it is nice to see that more people from Arkansas agree with me.
I find these discussions interesting, im sure i will be shunned someday for denying an animal species in a state too, i wanna be a wildlife biologist someday.

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