Well first I'd have to say hats off to the bullfighters. You won't see me doing that anytime soon. But I feel that they could prevent suffering. If they had the bull chase them around and go for the red flag, and kill it quickly, thats fine. But I'm not really fond of sticking all the knives in it for minutes before finally killing it. If thats what you mean. Not all bull fights end in the death of the bull however.
I don't see any problem with bull fighting, nor with chicken fights. I would watch either in person if given the chance. However, watching a dog fight is not on my to-do list.
I don't see much difference between a bull fight and a caged hunt, except that with the caged hunt, at least the critter is likely to be put down relatively quickly. I guess the bull is a lot more likely to give a little back to the bullfighter, but that doesn't make it sporting or ethical.
Not that I support or condone it, but remember, it's a cultural thing. We all do things that we were brought up with that some will take a dim view of. I know, some of you will equate it with running (fill in the blank) with dogs.
007 is right - bullfighting is a cultural thing. So is cockfighting and dogfighting. So is cannibalism. In some cultures women are not allowed to vote or drive a car. We make all of our value judgements on what is ethical by looking through the eyes of the culture we live in. I don't condemn the Spanish for the tradition of bullfighting, but neither do I agree with it.
No it isn't. A Roman gladiator type thing. And I had a bull chance me through a field in the early morning hours on my way to the river one time, and the fight was not legitimate.
I think it would be more entertaining if you'd cage and starve a big ol' rooster for a week,then smear peanut butter & seeds all over Pighunter's leg and let em out in the same yard. Not real sporting, but entertaining,lol..Just kidding Pighunter,but you'd entertain us for a little while. Cultural thing called the Redneck Linedance is pretty simular
I think it would be more entertaining if you'd cage and starve a big ol' rooster for a week,then smear peanut butter & seeds all over Pighunter's leg and let em out in the same yard. Not real sporting, but entertaining,lol..Just kidding Pighunter,but you'd entertain us for a little while. Cultural thing called the Redneck Linedance is pretty simular
Sure, why not. It doesn't always bode well for the guy in the shiny suit and never for the bull. But, hey, if the bull wasn't so surly and confrontational, he could avoid sharp objects in the arena. He could just lie down in a corner of the arena and take a nap.
Yes, I think it is a legitimate and ethical. I also think it qualifies as a sport but I think of it as more of an art. An art that involves not only athleticism and the ability to read an animal but also raw, simple courage. It strips the human struggle to survive down to its basics and raises it to an art. Ok, I'll get down from the soap box and stop trying to imitate Hemingway's defense of the art, but I would like to see bullfighting survive - not that I have any special knowledge beyond watching a couple and reading Hemingway's books "Death in the Afternoon" and "The Dangerous Summer".
One cannot help but admire the courage of the matador, and any example of such courage deserves respect, but we (as hunters) are often criticized for participating in a "blood sport" and we understand because it's part of our world. Bullfighting is not an integral part of the North American culture, but that doesn't minimize it as a contest between man and beast. Like Sarge01, I wish it was a quicker, less torturous event for the bull. Though I don't see it selling many tickets here, I wouldn't deny the spectacle or the contest to any other culture.
It is in Mexico, and some spainish countries. Ethical I dont know but to be face to face armed only with a sword, got to give them at least some credit for their bravery. Me I'll take a .300 WSM and a couple hundred yrds advantage with anything that big.
Depends on if you da bull, or da bullfighter. Like Jerry Clower said, "We don't shoot no coons out. We believe in givin' 'em a sportin' chance. We climb the tree and knock him out of the tree, where the coon has the option of whuppin' 15 coon hounds and walkin' away if he wants to."
The summer of 1960, I "ran with the bulls" in Pamplona, and attended a bullfight in Madrid there were movie stars and famous writers basking in their fame at ring side. Pretty heady stuff for a poor college student. I had gotten lucky and landed a tour guide/helper job for the summer. Very exciting, but not my thing, bullfights I mean.
Deerhunterrick, it would probably be as entertaining to see me fend off a starving chicken as it was to see me dance on a table with a Hooters waitress on my 51st birthday! Nothing graceful about it, LOL!
If you happen to be Spanish and it is a part of your heritage then the answers to all the above are yes. I don't and won't deny a cultural event to anyone. One has to remember that on occasion the bull does win, and the Toreador I assume then wishes for a speedy demise.
Depends what form of bullfighting you are talking about.
In Spain yes.
In America, bull fighters are the guys that save your butt after falling off a bull (bull riding). Many call them "clowns". But it is the clowns job to keep the crowd entertained and the fighters save the riders. Big differance.
PigHunter, I would have loved to see that. Now that's what I call entertainment.Sounds like it could have been real sporting too..Whens you next Hooters birthday party? I'll bring the camcorder and we'll have a good ol' time
Pig,
If that had been me, it would have been YouTubed before I got home and everyone of my clients would have gotten an email link to it. I have a host of friends,,,, (LOL)
One cannot help but admire the courage of the matador, and any example of such courage deserves respect, but we (as hunters) are often criticized for participating in a "blood sport" and we understand because it's part of our world. Bullfighting is not an integral part of the North American culture, but that doesn't minimize it as a contest between man and beast. Like Sarge01, I wish it was a quicker, less torturous event for the bull. Though I don't see it selling many tickets here, I wouldn't deny the spectacle or the contest to any other culture.
Not that I support or condone it, but remember, it's a cultural thing. We all do things that we were brought up with that some will take a dim view of. I know, some of you will equate it with running (fill in the blank) with dogs.
It is in Mexico, and some spainish countries. Ethical I dont know but to be face to face armed only with a sword, got to give them at least some credit for their bravery. Me I'll take a .300 WSM and a couple hundred yrds advantage with anything that big.
Depends on if you da bull, or da bullfighter. Like Jerry Clower said, "We don't shoot no coons out. We believe in givin' 'em a sportin' chance. We climb the tree and knock him out of the tree, where the coon has the option of whuppin' 15 coon hounds and walkin' away if he wants to."
The summer of 1960, I "ran with the bulls" in Pamplona, and attended a bullfight in Madrid there were movie stars and famous writers basking in their fame at ring side. Pretty heady stuff for a poor college student. I had gotten lucky and landed a tour guide/helper job for the summer. Very exciting, but not my thing, bullfights I mean.
Deerhunterrick, it would probably be as entertaining to see me fend off a starving chicken as it was to see me dance on a table with a Hooters waitress on my 51st birthday! Nothing graceful about it, LOL!
If you happen to be Spanish and it is a part of your heritage then the answers to all the above are yes. I don't and won't deny a cultural event to anyone. One has to remember that on occasion the bull does win, and the Toreador I assume then wishes for a speedy demise.
Pig,
If that had been me, it would have been YouTubed before I got home and everyone of my clients would have gotten an email link to it. I have a host of friends,,,, (LOL)
Well first I'd have to say hats off to the bullfighters. You won't see me doing that anytime soon. But I feel that they could prevent suffering. If they had the bull chase them around and go for the red flag, and kill it quickly, thats fine. But I'm not really fond of sticking all the knives in it for minutes before finally killing it. If thats what you mean. Not all bull fights end in the death of the bull however.
I don't see much difference between a bull fight and a caged hunt, except that with the caged hunt, at least the critter is likely to be put down relatively quickly. I guess the bull is a lot more likely to give a little back to the bullfighter, but that doesn't make it sporting or ethical.
007 is right - bullfighting is a cultural thing. So is cockfighting and dogfighting. So is cannibalism. In some cultures women are not allowed to vote or drive a car. We make all of our value judgements on what is ethical by looking through the eyes of the culture we live in. I don't condemn the Spanish for the tradition of bullfighting, but neither do I agree with it.
No it isn't. A Roman gladiator type thing. And I had a bull chance me through a field in the early morning hours on my way to the river one time, and the fight was not legitimate.
I think it would be more entertaining if you'd cage and starve a big ol' rooster for a week,then smear peanut butter & seeds all over Pighunter's leg and let em out in the same yard. Not real sporting, but entertaining,lol..Just kidding Pighunter,but you'd entertain us for a little while. Cultural thing called the Redneck Linedance is pretty simular
I think it would be more entertaining if you'd cage and starve a big ol' rooster for a week,then smear peanut butter & seeds all over Pighunter's leg and let em out in the same yard. Not real sporting, but entertaining,lol..Just kidding Pighunter,but you'd entertain us for a little while. Cultural thing called the Redneck Linedance is pretty simular
Sure, why not. It doesn't always bode well for the guy in the shiny suit and never for the bull. But, hey, if the bull wasn't so surly and confrontational, he could avoid sharp objects in the arena. He could just lie down in a corner of the arena and take a nap.
Yes, I think it is a legitimate and ethical. I also think it qualifies as a sport but I think of it as more of an art. An art that involves not only athleticism and the ability to read an animal but also raw, simple courage. It strips the human struggle to survive down to its basics and raises it to an art. Ok, I'll get down from the soap box and stop trying to imitate Hemingway's defense of the art, but I would like to see bullfighting survive - not that I have any special knowledge beyond watching a couple and reading Hemingway's books "Death in the Afternoon" and "The Dangerous Summer".
Depends what form of bullfighting you are talking about.
In Spain yes.
In America, bull fighters are the guys that save your butt after falling off a bull (bull riding). Many call them "clowns". But it is the clowns job to keep the crowd entertained and the fighters save the riders. Big differance.
PigHunter, I would have loved to see that. Now that's what I call entertainment.Sounds like it could have been real sporting too..Whens you next Hooters birthday party? I'll bring the camcorder and we'll have a good ol' time
I don't see any problem with bull fighting, nor with chicken fights. I would watch either in person if given the chance. However, watching a dog fight is not on my to-do list.
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Well first I'd have to say hats off to the bullfighters. You won't see me doing that anytime soon. But I feel that they could prevent suffering. If they had the bull chase them around and go for the red flag, and kill it quickly, thats fine. But I'm not really fond of sticking all the knives in it for minutes before finally killing it. If thats what you mean. Not all bull fights end in the death of the bull however.
just one small step from dog and rooster fighting.
I don't see any problem with bull fighting, nor with chicken fights. I would watch either in person if given the chance. However, watching a dog fight is not on my to-do list.
I don't see much difference between a bull fight and a caged hunt, except that with the caged hunt, at least the critter is likely to be put down relatively quickly. I guess the bull is a lot more likely to give a little back to the bullfighter, but that doesn't make it sporting or ethical.
Not that I support or condone it, but remember, it's a cultural thing. We all do things that we were brought up with that some will take a dim view of. I know, some of you will equate it with running (fill in the blank) with dogs.
007 is right - bullfighting is a cultural thing. So is cockfighting and dogfighting. So is cannibalism. In some cultures women are not allowed to vote or drive a car. We make all of our value judgements on what is ethical by looking through the eyes of the culture we live in. I don't condemn the Spanish for the tradition of bullfighting, but neither do I agree with it.
I think it would be exciting to do and watch ,I would just like to see the bull killed quicker and not toutured.
No it isn't. A Roman gladiator type thing. And I had a bull chance me through a field in the early morning hours on my way to the river one time, and the fight was not legitimate.
The straightforward answer is, of course "No." Especially since you included the quantifier "Sporting event."
It's cultural. Gringos don't need to give the stamp of approval.
The more squirmy question is, "Is is entertainment?"
I think it would be more entertaining if you'd cage and starve a big ol' rooster for a week,then smear peanut butter & seeds all over Pighunter's leg and let em out in the same yard. Not real sporting, but entertaining,lol..Just kidding Pighunter,but you'd entertain us for a little while. Cultural thing called the Redneck Linedance is pretty simular
I think it would be more entertaining if you'd cage and starve a big ol' rooster for a week,then smear peanut butter & seeds all over Pighunter's leg and let em out in the same yard. Not real sporting, but entertaining,lol..Just kidding Pighunter,but you'd entertain us for a little while. Cultural thing called the Redneck Linedance is pretty simular
Sure, why not. It doesn't always bode well for the guy in the shiny suit and never for the bull. But, hey, if the bull wasn't so surly and confrontational, he could avoid sharp objects in the arena. He could just lie down in a corner of the arena and take a nap.
Yes, I think it is a legitimate and ethical. I also think it qualifies as a sport but I think of it as more of an art. An art that involves not only athleticism and the ability to read an animal but also raw, simple courage. It strips the human struggle to survive down to its basics and raises it to an art. Ok, I'll get down from the soap box and stop trying to imitate Hemingway's defense of the art, but I would like to see bullfighting survive - not that I have any special knowledge beyond watching a couple and reading Hemingway's books "Death in the Afternoon" and "The Dangerous Summer".
Lets see...1500 lb pissed off bull made a pure muscle with the will to survive VS a 120 man with a red cape and a pointy stick.
***120 lb***
One cannot help but admire the courage of the matador, and any example of such courage deserves respect, but we (as hunters) are often criticized for participating in a "blood sport" and we understand because it's part of our world. Bullfighting is not an integral part of the North American culture, but that doesn't minimize it as a contest between man and beast. Like Sarge01, I wish it was a quicker, less torturous event for the bull. Though I don't see it selling many tickets here, I wouldn't deny the spectacle or the contest to any other culture.
It is in Mexico, and some spainish countries. Ethical I dont know but to be face to face armed only with a sword, got to give them at least some credit for their bravery. Me I'll take a .300 WSM and a couple hundred yrds advantage with anything that big.
Depends on if you da bull, or da bullfighter. Like Jerry Clower said, "We don't shoot no coons out. We believe in givin' 'em a sportin' chance. We climb the tree and knock him out of the tree, where the coon has the option of whuppin' 15 coon hounds and walkin' away if he wants to."
The summer of 1960, I "ran with the bulls" in Pamplona, and attended a bullfight in Madrid there were movie stars and famous writers basking in their fame at ring side. Pretty heady stuff for a poor college student. I had gotten lucky and landed a tour guide/helper job for the summer. Very exciting, but not my thing, bullfights I mean.
Deerhunterrick, it would probably be as entertaining to see me fend off a starving chicken as it was to see me dance on a table with a Hooters waitress on my 51st birthday! Nothing graceful about it, LOL!
If you happen to be Spanish and it is a part of your heritage then the answers to all the above are yes. I don't and won't deny a cultural event to anyone. One has to remember that on occasion the bull does win, and the Toreador I assume then wishes for a speedy demise.
Depends what form of bullfighting you are talking about.
In Spain yes.
In America, bull fighters are the guys that save your butt after falling off a bull (bull riding). Many call them "clowns". But it is the clowns job to keep the crowd entertained and the fighters save the riders. Big differance.
PigHunter, I would have loved to see that. Now that's what I call entertainment.Sounds like it could have been real sporting too..Whens you next Hooters birthday party? I'll bring the camcorder and we'll have a good ol' time
Just what I'd expect from an Auburn Fan-LOL!!!!
LOL, you only live once so might as well make the most of it. There were photos taken but so far I've managed to keep them off the web ;-)
Pig,
If that had been me, it would have been YouTubed before I got home and everyone of my clients would have gotten an email link to it. I have a host of friends,,,, (LOL)
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One cannot help but admire the courage of the matador, and any example of such courage deserves respect, but we (as hunters) are often criticized for participating in a "blood sport" and we understand because it's part of our world. Bullfighting is not an integral part of the North American culture, but that doesn't minimize it as a contest between man and beast. Like Sarge01, I wish it was a quicker, less torturous event for the bull. Though I don't see it selling many tickets here, I wouldn't deny the spectacle or the contest to any other culture.
Not that I support or condone it, but remember, it's a cultural thing. We all do things that we were brought up with that some will take a dim view of. I know, some of you will equate it with running (fill in the blank) with dogs.
I think it would be exciting to do and watch ,I would just like to see the bull killed quicker and not toutured.
Lets see...1500 lb pissed off bull made a pure muscle with the will to survive VS a 120 man with a red cape and a pointy stick.
It is in Mexico, and some spainish countries. Ethical I dont know but to be face to face armed only with a sword, got to give them at least some credit for their bravery. Me I'll take a .300 WSM and a couple hundred yrds advantage with anything that big.
Depends on if you da bull, or da bullfighter. Like Jerry Clower said, "We don't shoot no coons out. We believe in givin' 'em a sportin' chance. We climb the tree and knock him out of the tree, where the coon has the option of whuppin' 15 coon hounds and walkin' away if he wants to."
The summer of 1960, I "ran with the bulls" in Pamplona, and attended a bullfight in Madrid there were movie stars and famous writers basking in their fame at ring side. Pretty heady stuff for a poor college student. I had gotten lucky and landed a tour guide/helper job for the summer. Very exciting, but not my thing, bullfights I mean.
Deerhunterrick, it would probably be as entertaining to see me fend off a starving chicken as it was to see me dance on a table with a Hooters waitress on my 51st birthday! Nothing graceful about it, LOL!
If you happen to be Spanish and it is a part of your heritage then the answers to all the above are yes. I don't and won't deny a cultural event to anyone. One has to remember that on occasion the bull does win, and the Toreador I assume then wishes for a speedy demise.
Pig,
If that had been me, it would have been YouTubed before I got home and everyone of my clients would have gotten an email link to it. I have a host of friends,,,, (LOL)
Well first I'd have to say hats off to the bullfighters. You won't see me doing that anytime soon. But I feel that they could prevent suffering. If they had the bull chase them around and go for the red flag, and kill it quickly, thats fine. But I'm not really fond of sticking all the knives in it for minutes before finally killing it. If thats what you mean. Not all bull fights end in the death of the bull however.
I don't see much difference between a bull fight and a caged hunt, except that with the caged hunt, at least the critter is likely to be put down relatively quickly. I guess the bull is a lot more likely to give a little back to the bullfighter, but that doesn't make it sporting or ethical.
007 is right - bullfighting is a cultural thing. So is cockfighting and dogfighting. So is cannibalism. In some cultures women are not allowed to vote or drive a car. We make all of our value judgements on what is ethical by looking through the eyes of the culture we live in. I don't condemn the Spanish for the tradition of bullfighting, but neither do I agree with it.
No it isn't. A Roman gladiator type thing. And I had a bull chance me through a field in the early morning hours on my way to the river one time, and the fight was not legitimate.
I think it would be more entertaining if you'd cage and starve a big ol' rooster for a week,then smear peanut butter & seeds all over Pighunter's leg and let em out in the same yard. Not real sporting, but entertaining,lol..Just kidding Pighunter,but you'd entertain us for a little while. Cultural thing called the Redneck Linedance is pretty simular
I think it would be more entertaining if you'd cage and starve a big ol' rooster for a week,then smear peanut butter & seeds all over Pighunter's leg and let em out in the same yard. Not real sporting, but entertaining,lol..Just kidding Pighunter,but you'd entertain us for a little while. Cultural thing called the Redneck Linedance is pretty simular
Sure, why not. It doesn't always bode well for the guy in the shiny suit and never for the bull. But, hey, if the bull wasn't so surly and confrontational, he could avoid sharp objects in the arena. He could just lie down in a corner of the arena and take a nap.
Yes, I think it is a legitimate and ethical. I also think it qualifies as a sport but I think of it as more of an art. An art that involves not only athleticism and the ability to read an animal but also raw, simple courage. It strips the human struggle to survive down to its basics and raises it to an art. Ok, I'll get down from the soap box and stop trying to imitate Hemingway's defense of the art, but I would like to see bullfighting survive - not that I have any special knowledge beyond watching a couple and reading Hemingway's books "Death in the Afternoon" and "The Dangerous Summer".
Depends what form of bullfighting you are talking about.
In Spain yes.
In America, bull fighters are the guys that save your butt after falling off a bull (bull riding). Many call them "clowns". But it is the clowns job to keep the crowd entertained and the fighters save the riders. Big differance.
PigHunter, I would have loved to see that. Now that's what I call entertainment.Sounds like it could have been real sporting too..Whens you next Hooters birthday party? I'll bring the camcorder and we'll have a good ol' time
Just what I'd expect from an Auburn Fan-LOL!!!!
LOL, you only live once so might as well make the most of it. There were photos taken but so far I've managed to keep them off the web ;-)
just one small step from dog and rooster fighting.
I don't see any problem with bull fighting, nor with chicken fights. I would watch either in person if given the chance. However, watching a dog fight is not on my to-do list.
The straightforward answer is, of course "No." Especially since you included the quantifier "Sporting event."
It's cultural. Gringos don't need to give the stamp of approval.
The more squirmy question is, "Is is entertainment?"
***120 lb***
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