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I know from a recent thread that Bella and Nycflyangler are pagans of the Nordic tradition. I follow a Celtic path. Are there any other Pagans on the site? What path(s) do you follow? How do you integrate your hunting and fishing into your spiritual lives?

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from pennst8hunter wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

I thank God before & after evry hunt.

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from BuckTheSystem wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

Mother Nature is my goddess. She doesn't require any rituals from me, just the occassional animal sacrafice.

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from hjohn429 wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

Every time you kill an animal you must pry for it's soul and thank the Lord for the harvest of wonderful protien sustinance.

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from Big O wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

I'm with hjohn429 here.

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from Big O wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

By the way hjohn429 it's "pray".

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from hunterkid94 wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

I thank God that we have the oppertunity to hunt.

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from Sharkfin wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

I'm not a pagan, I eat meat

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from Pagan_Hunter wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

Sharkfin-

are you confusing a "Pagan", a person who follows the pre-christian religion of the Indo-European peoples. With a "Vegan", a person who does not eat animal products?

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from matouse3 wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

I'm pretty sure it was a joke.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

As are pagans....

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from Pagan_Hunter wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

It looks like most of the people who have answered are Christian, or at least monotheistic, seeing as how everyone has said "God" (Singular)

I often consecrate my Gun, Rod, Reel, lures, etc... and ask the appropriate gods to bless them. (Cernunnus for my deer gun, Barinthus for my fishing gear, etc..)

Does anyone else bless / ask for blessings on their gear?

Do you think this helps you stay connected to the spiritual fact that you are ending a life so that you can eat?

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from hunterkid94 wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

F&S is used for hunting and fishing help. not a place for you to talk about your gods. I read the bible. I pray to God. I do not need somebody talking about a different God when I do not beleive they exist. There is one God in my eyes. You can mark me down for this one cause frankly I do not care how you veiw my religious beleifs.

"I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods before Me..."

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from ken.mcloud wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

Hunterkid-

I think you are being a wee bit too intolerant towards other faith's.

I often pray to God before a hunting or fishing expedition. I pray for success and for the quick taking of my prey.

how are pagan_hunter's practices that much different from my own?

Plus, while the conversation has definitely has a religious twist, s/he is still talking about outdoor pursuits. I find the conversations both interesting and relevant.

Remember, Jesus taught us to love our common man, regardless of whether or not he is like us.

As they were nailing him to the cross, Christ said:
"Father forgive them, for they know not what they do"
Luke 23:34

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from Pagan_Hunter wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

hunterkid94

you said some pretty interesting things.

First you said "I do not need somebody talking about a different God when I do not beleive they exist."

Why don't I have the same right every time someone talks the Judeo-Christian God on this site?

Then you quoted the King James Bible "I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of slavery"

This passage is originally from the Jewish Torah and refers to how Yahweh led the Israelites from slavery through Moses. From what I can see in your profile picture, you appear to be Caucasian, of European descent.

The Israelites are a Middle Eastern people, what makes you so sure that passage applies to you? let alone me?

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from Kkeltic wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

I agree with Ken. C'mon people, remember why this great country was founded? One of the main reasons was for pursuit of religious freedom w/o persecution. One of the cornerstones of our grand old republic is freedom of speech! You don't have to agree. Unless someone is trying to change your views or attacking them why get upset?

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from minigunner111 wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

Pagan hunter I respect your choice and I'll leave it at that.

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from matouse3 wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

Well put minigunner

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from rabbitpolice88 wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

Good lord, I have never met a pagen before. Your basically telling me you worship rocks and stuff. I must say it takes more faith to pray to a dead thing than the one true God Jesus Christ.

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from jlfreeborn wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

Which "path" do I follow, eh? Well, Jesus said in Matt. 7:13-15, "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate and narrow is the way that leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." I'm on that narrow path, and to the Christians on this site, you better take heed of Matt. 7:15 as well: "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves." Don't fall for this let's-all-be-good and worship-whoever-we-want lie...I'll stop now...

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from jlfreeborn wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

...and AMEN rabbitpolice...you gotta have some serious faith to pray to a rock!!!

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from buckhunter wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

I like this topic. I knew Bella was part of the Nordic religion and maybe NYC. I find other religions interesting if not fascinating.

I think it's one of the finer parts of this site that so many DIFFERENT people can be drawn together by the common love of the outdoors.

I think we should focus on our similarities and respect our differences.

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from jbird wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

I believe in Jesus Christ, and I pray to him while outdoors. You can believe what you want, not my business. You may think it silly what I believe, I may think it silly what you believe.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

Good, jbird. That was a real Christ-like post on the other thread suggesting that you would rather see Sarah Palin in Penthouse because you have respect for Field and Stream.

Perhaps you should ask your Lord God what He thinks about you......

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from blkbear wrote 22 weeks 17 hours ago

Maybe you should ask the same question WA Munter, see what He thinks about you passing judgement

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 22 weeks 16 hours ago

@ blkbear

There is no judgement passed. Just pointing out a blinding glimpse of the obvious. When a self proclaimed believer (jbird) suggests that a fellow Christian (Palin) be in Penthouse instead of F&S, I think the situation is abundantly clear. If you proclaim your faith in Him, you will be held accountable for your words and deeds. I am not judging him, just rebukeing.

I ask Him daily. Not to worry.

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from silsbyj wrote 22 weeks 15 hours ago

You guys crack me up. Listen, we are all here for one reason. We enjoy the outdoors and all that mother nature has to offer us. I believe in one god but that doesnt mean that people dont have the right to believe whatever they want also. I sure as hell would hunt with almost any person on this website and wouldnt really give a damn if they had to sacrafice a goat before we could go. It seems funny to me that people are so eager to bash on what others think, do, and believe but hate it when others do that to them. I always think of PETA, Hippies, Activists as the types to critisize how others do things. Interesting topic none the less.

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from Sharkfin wrote 22 weeks 14 hours ago

Yes, it was a joke. I have a buddy whose wife is a vegan and I've always called her a pagan as a joke. I take full advantage of my freedom of speech and I hope everyone else does too. This is the USA and we have the right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happines. That does not mean we have the right silence someone else if what they say is offensive to us. Whether we are Pagan, Christian, Buddhist, Hidu, whatever. I've seen things written on this site I didn't agree with but this is a site of opinions. If I see someone giving advice that I strongly disagree with I might offer some counter advice.

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from Pagan_Hunter wrote 22 weeks 11 hours ago

Rabbit police -

I will assume that your rock comment was good faith question about our beliefs.

Most neopagans believe in the concept of animism, this is a concept we share with the native americans and most of the worlds religions other than the big monotheistic three.

Animism could loosely be described as believing that everything (Deer, trout, trees, even rocks) has a spirit (the word "spirit" dosent really do the concept justice, its not like we think that rocks go to heaven when they die, but its the best word I can come up with without writing an essay)

Now, something having a spirit doesn't that we worship it (far from it), but it does mean that we should respect it and it reminds us that everything we do has consequences, physical and spiritual.

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from Pagan_Hunter wrote 22 weeks 11 hours ago

First sentence of the last paragraph should read

"doesn't mean that we worship it"

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from ken.mcloud wrote 22 weeks 11 hours ago

I'm with buckhunter, I find this stuff fascinating!

Learning about other faiths is a great way to gain a deeper understanding of your own religion.

I have no problem with people talking about their faith as long as they are not trying to force it on me (that goes for Christians and non-Christians alike)

Another question, what about the goat sacrifices like silsbyj was talking about?

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from jlfreeborn wrote 22 weeks 8 hours ago

How does a rock have a spirit? That just blows over my head. It's dead, lifeless, it's a rock.

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from silsbyj wrote 21 weeks 6 days ago

Dont take the goat sacrifice comment as a put down. I really didnt intend for it to be that.

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from Pagan_Hunter wrote 21 weeks 5 days ago

jlfreeborn-

I guess there are two ways to answer your question. First, it is called FAITH, I could just as easily said "How did this Jesus guy turn water into wine? That just blows over my head. It's dead, lifeless, it's just wine?."

Secondly, I could explain myself a little better. Like I said before, "spirit" is a rather poor word for what we believe inanimate objects have, I just can't think of a better word. They don't really die, they don't have an afterlife, they don't really make decisions, at least not in the way that we higher animals do.

Think of it more like an "energy". Science knows that even inanimate objects energy fields in and around them. There are electrical and magnetic fields holding the atoms and molecules together, strong and weak nuclear fields holding the nuclei of the atoms together, a gravitational field holding it to the ground, etc... Actions that we take, both physically and spiritually have subtle effects on this energy. Each object has been shaped by its own unique set of events,so this energy makes each object unique much like our spirits make each of us unique.

Now, you don't have to agree with a word I just said (I'm not asking you to), I just thought I'd answer your question.

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from Pagan_Hunter wrote 21 weeks 5 days ago

ken.mcloud and silsbyj

The ancient Pagans certainly did practice both animal and human sacrifices. (You can also find numerous references to Israelites doing both in the old testament)

However, amongst modern Pagans (aka Neopagans) animal sacrifices are essentially non-existent and human sacrifices are completely non-existent. I have never actually heard of anyone doing a ritual animal sacrifice, however I wouldn't be surprised to hear that they were performed somewhere.

I guess to a certain extent, those of us Neopagans who hunt and fish are performing animal sacrifices. It is a spiritual endeavor for most us, the Gods are certainly involved, and they are thanked at the end. Though, now that I think about it, a sacrifice is when you kill an animal for a god, that's not really what I'm doing when I'm taking game, I'm taking it for me and my family.

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from jlfreeborn wrote 20 weeks 6 days ago

Dont worry, I dont agree. Yes, everything has a gravitational field, however small it may be. The Almighty God placed them there for a reason. It still doesn't give a rock a "spirit". Another question, do pagan's actually pray to rocks and trees and stuff? Just a question...

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from Pagan_Hunter wrote 20 weeks 3 days ago

jlfreeborn-

again, "spirit" is an awfully clumsy word to describe what I'm talking about. I don't mean it in the way that you and I have a spirit, but I don't have a better word for the concept I am talking about.

As for your question about prayer, I suspect that We Pagans have much more in common with Christians than you think we do.

Christians believe in a wide array of supernatural beings with more power than humans. Most of these are called Angels, their creator, an even more powerful being is called God (Yahweh to the original Israelites). These beings have evil counterparts called demons, the most powerful of whom is named Lucifer.

When Christians want something, they pray to God, occasionally invoking lesser supernatural beings, the Angels.

Celtic Pagans, such as myself also believe in a wide array of supernatural beings with more power than humans. Most of these are called otherkin, though the most powerful of them are called gods (Notice the lack of capitalization,a VERY different concept from you God) their creator, an even more powerful being is called Dagdha. (Though by no means the same as the Christian God, Dagdha is similar)

When Celtic Pagans want something, they "pray" (similar concept, different implementation) to Daghda, often invoking lesser supernatural beings such as the otherkin and the gods (lower case g).

Notice how we pray, just like you do, to supernatural beings more powerful than ourselves. Not to "rocks and trees and stuff" as close minded people might have you believe.

Though I am by no means saying that Paganism and Christianity are the same, I am saying that if you approach the situation with an open mind, most of the world's religions have much more in common than they have different.

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from jlfreeborn wrote 19 weeks 3 days ago

OK...another question...does paganism have its own Bible, per se, and who wrote it?

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from jlfreeborn wrote 19 weeks 3 days ago

Also, what happens when we die? Is there an afterlife according to paganism or do we just cease to exist? Really, I'm not tryin to offend you or nothin, just askin.

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from Pagan_Hunter wrote 19 weeks 11 hours ago

jlfreeborn,

I'm more than happy to answer questions as long as they're in good spirit.

As for a Pagan "Bible" -

You'll find that having a single end-all, be-all "holy book" is a concept which is almost exclusive to the three Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam)

It is worth while to note that amongst the ancient, Paleo-Pagan peoples only the clergy could read, so a book wouldn't be all that useful.

However, amongst the modern Neo-Pagans everyone can read. There are countless books written on Neo-Pagan theology and spirituality, however none are considered to be the single, holy book like the Torah, Bible, or Qur'an.

In fact, I would bet that the vast majority of Neo-Pagans would openly oppose establishing such a book. This is because it would establish a set of Dogmas, not unlike the ones Christians, Jews, and Muslims have been killing each other over for the past couple thousand years. Plus, there is nothing Neo-Pagans despise more than Dogma. Dogmas are restricting and teach people to mindlessly subjugate themselves instead of thinking, exploring, and finding their own answers.

One of the things that drew me to Paganism is the flexibility, and I fear that single holy book would take that away. Since Paganism is so flexible, instead of rejecting other religions or new scientific findings, they can be embraced as also being "true". No two Pagans follow the exact same path.

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from Pagan_Hunter wrote 19 weeks 11 hours ago

Disclaimer: Just like there are many sects of Christians, there are many sects of Pagans, and they do not all believe the exact same things. I will however, attempt to sum up the majority view.

The spirit certianly does survive after the physical body has died. On Rare occasions all, or part of that spirit will be trapped in this realm at death (this is usually called a ghost).

Though, usually that spirit goes to the otherworld. The otherworld is a very different place from the Christian concepts of Heaven or Hell. It is neither a place of eternal pleasure, nor one of eternal suffering. Think of it more like another plane of existence, where there are different physical laws, many mystical beings, and where the gods often visit. Time and distance have very little meaning there.

Occasionally our realm and the otherworld interact. This is how we end up with psychics talking to the dead, prophesies about the future, esp, and mythical creatures like faeries, elves, daemons, and angles.

Also the veil between our realm and the otherworld is a very dynamic thing. It is thinner in some geographic places than in others and it goes through annual cycles. It is thinnest on the Pagan holiday Samhain (around october 31st).

It should also be noted that many Neo-Pagans, though not myself, believe that when a child is born, its spirit comes from the underworld. Then, the new child inherits many of the traits of the last person who had that spirit. a.k.a. reincarnation

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from Nycflyangler wrote 15 weeks 2 days ago

jlfreeborn wrote:

"OK...another question...does paganism have its own Bible, per se, and who wrote it?"

Not really. There are many pagan faiths. Most european forms of ethnicity have a pagan faith attached to it. The Celts, the Germanic, the Slavs, The Baltic peoples and the Greeks and the Romans are the major groups.

The Germanic people have a strong connection with the Havamal, which is a poem in the Poetic Edda. It translates into 'the words of the wise one' ie. Odin. It was compiled by author Snorri Sturluson in the early 1200s. Also, the rest of the Poetic Edda, the Prose Edda, Gesta Danorum and the various sagas are important.

Asatru, what most of the Germanic people call their religion, bills itself as the only religion that assigns homework.

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from Sharkfin wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

I'm not a pagan, I eat meat

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from ken.mcloud wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

Hunterkid-

I think you are being a wee bit too intolerant towards other faith's.

I often pray to God before a hunting or fishing expedition. I pray for success and for the quick taking of my prey.

how are pagan_hunter's practices that much different from my own?

Plus, while the conversation has definitely has a religious twist, s/he is still talking about outdoor pursuits. I find the conversations both interesting and relevant.

Remember, Jesus taught us to love our common man, regardless of whether or not he is like us.

As they were nailing him to the cross, Christ said:
"Father forgive them, for they know not what they do"
Luke 23:34

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from Kkeltic wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

I agree with Ken. C'mon people, remember why this great country was founded? One of the main reasons was for pursuit of religious freedom w/o persecution. One of the cornerstones of our grand old republic is freedom of speech! You don't have to agree. Unless someone is trying to change your views or attacking them why get upset?

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from buckhunter wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

I like this topic. I knew Bella was part of the Nordic religion and maybe NYC. I find other religions interesting if not fascinating.

I think it's one of the finer parts of this site that so many DIFFERENT people can be drawn together by the common love of the outdoors.

I think we should focus on our similarities and respect our differences.

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from Sharkfin wrote 22 weeks 14 hours ago

Yes, it was a joke. I have a buddy whose wife is a vegan and I've always called her a pagan as a joke. I take full advantage of my freedom of speech and I hope everyone else does too. This is the USA and we have the right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happines. That does not mean we have the right silence someone else if what they say is offensive to us. Whether we are Pagan, Christian, Buddhist, Hidu, whatever. I've seen things written on this site I didn't agree with but this is a site of opinions. If I see someone giving advice that I strongly disagree with I might offer some counter advice.

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from Pagan_Hunter wrote 20 weeks 3 days ago

jlfreeborn-

again, "spirit" is an awfully clumsy word to describe what I'm talking about. I don't mean it in the way that you and I have a spirit, but I don't have a better word for the concept I am talking about.

As for your question about prayer, I suspect that We Pagans have much more in common with Christians than you think we do.

Christians believe in a wide array of supernatural beings with more power than humans. Most of these are called Angels, their creator, an even more powerful being is called God (Yahweh to the original Israelites). These beings have evil counterparts called demons, the most powerful of whom is named Lucifer.

When Christians want something, they pray to God, occasionally invoking lesser supernatural beings, the Angels.

Celtic Pagans, such as myself also believe in a wide array of supernatural beings with more power than humans. Most of these are called otherkin, though the most powerful of them are called gods (Notice the lack of capitalization,a VERY different concept from you God) their creator, an even more powerful being is called Dagdha. (Though by no means the same as the Christian God, Dagdha is similar)

When Celtic Pagans want something, they "pray" (similar concept, different implementation) to Daghda, often invoking lesser supernatural beings such as the otherkin and the gods (lower case g).

Notice how we pray, just like you do, to supernatural beings more powerful than ourselves. Not to "rocks and trees and stuff" as close minded people might have you believe.

Though I am by no means saying that Paganism and Christianity are the same, I am saying that if you approach the situation with an open mind, most of the world's religions have much more in common than they have different.

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from pennst8hunter wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

I thank God before & after evry hunt.

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from BuckTheSystem wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

Mother Nature is my goddess. She doesn't require any rituals from me, just the occassional animal sacrafice.

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from hjohn429 wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

Every time you kill an animal you must pry for it's soul and thank the Lord for the harvest of wonderful protien sustinance.

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from Big O wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

I'm with hjohn429 here.

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from Big O wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

By the way hjohn429 it's "pray".

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from hunterkid94 wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

I thank God that we have the oppertunity to hunt.

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from Pagan_Hunter wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

Sharkfin-

are you confusing a "Pagan", a person who follows the pre-christian religion of the Indo-European peoples. With a "Vegan", a person who does not eat animal products?

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from matouse3 wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

I'm pretty sure it was a joke.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

As are pagans....

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from hunterkid94 wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

F&S is used for hunting and fishing help. not a place for you to talk about your gods. I read the bible. I pray to God. I do not need somebody talking about a different God when I do not beleive they exist. There is one God in my eyes. You can mark me down for this one cause frankly I do not care how you veiw my religious beleifs.

"I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods before Me..."

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from Pagan_Hunter wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

hunterkid94

you said some pretty interesting things.

First you said "I do not need somebody talking about a different God when I do not beleive they exist."

Why don't I have the same right every time someone talks the Judeo-Christian God on this site?

Then you quoted the King James Bible "I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of slavery"

This passage is originally from the Jewish Torah and refers to how Yahweh led the Israelites from slavery through Moses. From what I can see in your profile picture, you appear to be Caucasian, of European descent.

The Israelites are a Middle Eastern people, what makes you so sure that passage applies to you? let alone me?

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from minigunner111 wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

Pagan hunter I respect your choice and I'll leave it at that.

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from matouse3 wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

Well put minigunner

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from rabbitpolice88 wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

Good lord, I have never met a pagen before. Your basically telling me you worship rocks and stuff. I must say it takes more faith to pray to a dead thing than the one true God Jesus Christ.

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from jlfreeborn wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

Which "path" do I follow, eh? Well, Jesus said in Matt. 7:13-15, "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate and narrow is the way that leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." I'm on that narrow path, and to the Christians on this site, you better take heed of Matt. 7:15 as well: "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves." Don't fall for this let's-all-be-good and worship-whoever-we-want lie...I'll stop now...

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from jlfreeborn wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

...and AMEN rabbitpolice...you gotta have some serious faith to pray to a rock!!!

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from jbird wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

I believe in Jesus Christ, and I pray to him while outdoors. You can believe what you want, not my business. You may think it silly what I believe, I may think it silly what you believe.

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from blkbear wrote 22 weeks 17 hours ago

Maybe you should ask the same question WA Munter, see what He thinks about you passing judgement

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 22 weeks 16 hours ago

@ blkbear

There is no judgement passed. Just pointing out a blinding glimpse of the obvious. When a self proclaimed believer (jbird) suggests that a fellow Christian (Palin) be in Penthouse instead of F&S, I think the situation is abundantly clear. If you proclaim your faith in Him, you will be held accountable for your words and deeds. I am not judging him, just rebukeing.

I ask Him daily. Not to worry.

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from silsbyj wrote 22 weeks 15 hours ago

You guys crack me up. Listen, we are all here for one reason. We enjoy the outdoors and all that mother nature has to offer us. I believe in one god but that doesnt mean that people dont have the right to believe whatever they want also. I sure as hell would hunt with almost any person on this website and wouldnt really give a damn if they had to sacrafice a goat before we could go. It seems funny to me that people are so eager to bash on what others think, do, and believe but hate it when others do that to them. I always think of PETA, Hippies, Activists as the types to critisize how others do things. Interesting topic none the less.

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from Pagan_Hunter wrote 22 weeks 11 hours ago

Rabbit police -

I will assume that your rock comment was good faith question about our beliefs.

Most neopagans believe in the concept of animism, this is a concept we share with the native americans and most of the worlds religions other than the big monotheistic three.

Animism could loosely be described as believing that everything (Deer, trout, trees, even rocks) has a spirit (the word "spirit" dosent really do the concept justice, its not like we think that rocks go to heaven when they die, but its the best word I can come up with without writing an essay)

Now, something having a spirit doesn't that we worship it (far from it), but it does mean that we should respect it and it reminds us that everything we do has consequences, physical and spiritual.

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from Pagan_Hunter wrote 22 weeks 11 hours ago

First sentence of the last paragraph should read

"doesn't mean that we worship it"

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from ken.mcloud wrote 22 weeks 11 hours ago

I'm with buckhunter, I find this stuff fascinating!

Learning about other faiths is a great way to gain a deeper understanding of your own religion.

I have no problem with people talking about their faith as long as they are not trying to force it on me (that goes for Christians and non-Christians alike)

Another question, what about the goat sacrifices like silsbyj was talking about?

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from jlfreeborn wrote 22 weeks 8 hours ago

How does a rock have a spirit? That just blows over my head. It's dead, lifeless, it's a rock.

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from silsbyj wrote 21 weeks 6 days ago

Dont take the goat sacrifice comment as a put down. I really didnt intend for it to be that.

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from Pagan_Hunter wrote 21 weeks 5 days ago

jlfreeborn-

I guess there are two ways to answer your question. First, it is called FAITH, I could just as easily said "How did this Jesus guy turn water into wine? That just blows over my head. It's dead, lifeless, it's just wine?."

Secondly, I could explain myself a little better. Like I said before, "spirit" is a rather poor word for what we believe inanimate objects have, I just can't think of a better word. They don't really die, they don't have an afterlife, they don't really make decisions, at least not in the way that we higher animals do.

Think of it more like an "energy". Science knows that even inanimate objects energy fields in and around them. There are electrical and magnetic fields holding the atoms and molecules together, strong and weak nuclear fields holding the nuclei of the atoms together, a gravitational field holding it to the ground, etc... Actions that we take, both physically and spiritually have subtle effects on this energy. Each object has been shaped by its own unique set of events,so this energy makes each object unique much like our spirits make each of us unique.

Now, you don't have to agree with a word I just said (I'm not asking you to), I just thought I'd answer your question.

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from Pagan_Hunter wrote 21 weeks 5 days ago

ken.mcloud and silsbyj

The ancient Pagans certainly did practice both animal and human sacrifices. (You can also find numerous references to Israelites doing both in the old testament)

However, amongst modern Pagans (aka Neopagans) animal sacrifices are essentially non-existent and human sacrifices are completely non-existent. I have never actually heard of anyone doing a ritual animal sacrifice, however I wouldn't be surprised to hear that they were performed somewhere.

I guess to a certain extent, those of us Neopagans who hunt and fish are performing animal sacrifices. It is a spiritual endeavor for most us, the Gods are certainly involved, and they are thanked at the end. Though, now that I think about it, a sacrifice is when you kill an animal for a god, that's not really what I'm doing when I'm taking game, I'm taking it for me and my family.

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from jlfreeborn wrote 20 weeks 6 days ago

Dont worry, I dont agree. Yes, everything has a gravitational field, however small it may be. The Almighty God placed them there for a reason. It still doesn't give a rock a "spirit". Another question, do pagan's actually pray to rocks and trees and stuff? Just a question...

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from jlfreeborn wrote 19 weeks 3 days ago

OK...another question...does paganism have its own Bible, per se, and who wrote it?

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from jlfreeborn wrote 19 weeks 3 days ago

Also, what happens when we die? Is there an afterlife according to paganism or do we just cease to exist? Really, I'm not tryin to offend you or nothin, just askin.

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from Pagan_Hunter wrote 19 weeks 11 hours ago

jlfreeborn,

I'm more than happy to answer questions as long as they're in good spirit.

As for a Pagan "Bible" -

You'll find that having a single end-all, be-all "holy book" is a concept which is almost exclusive to the three Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam)

It is worth while to note that amongst the ancient, Paleo-Pagan peoples only the clergy could read, so a book wouldn't be all that useful.

However, amongst the modern Neo-Pagans everyone can read. There are countless books written on Neo-Pagan theology and spirituality, however none are considered to be the single, holy book like the Torah, Bible, or Qur'an.

In fact, I would bet that the vast majority of Neo-Pagans would openly oppose establishing such a book. This is because it would establish a set of Dogmas, not unlike the ones Christians, Jews, and Muslims have been killing each other over for the past couple thousand years. Plus, there is nothing Neo-Pagans despise more than Dogma. Dogmas are restricting and teach people to mindlessly subjugate themselves instead of thinking, exploring, and finding their own answers.

One of the things that drew me to Paganism is the flexibility, and I fear that single holy book would take that away. Since Paganism is so flexible, instead of rejecting other religions or new scientific findings, they can be embraced as also being "true". No two Pagans follow the exact same path.

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from Pagan_Hunter wrote 19 weeks 11 hours ago

Disclaimer: Just like there are many sects of Christians, there are many sects of Pagans, and they do not all believe the exact same things. I will however, attempt to sum up the majority view.

The spirit certianly does survive after the physical body has died. On Rare occasions all, or part of that spirit will be trapped in this realm at death (this is usually called a ghost).

Though, usually that spirit goes to the otherworld. The otherworld is a very different place from the Christian concepts of Heaven or Hell. It is neither a place of eternal pleasure, nor one of eternal suffering. Think of it more like another plane of existence, where there are different physical laws, many mystical beings, and where the gods often visit. Time and distance have very little meaning there.

Occasionally our realm and the otherworld interact. This is how we end up with psychics talking to the dead, prophesies about the future, esp, and mythical creatures like faeries, elves, daemons, and angles.

Also the veil between our realm and the otherworld is a very dynamic thing. It is thinner in some geographic places than in others and it goes through annual cycles. It is thinnest on the Pagan holiday Samhain (around october 31st).

It should also be noted that many Neo-Pagans, though not myself, believe that when a child is born, its spirit comes from the underworld. Then, the new child inherits many of the traits of the last person who had that spirit. a.k.a. reincarnation

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from Nycflyangler wrote 15 weeks 2 days ago

jlfreeborn wrote:

"OK...another question...does paganism have its own Bible, per se, and who wrote it?"

Not really. There are many pagan faiths. Most european forms of ethnicity have a pagan faith attached to it. The Celts, the Germanic, the Slavs, The Baltic peoples and the Greeks and the Romans are the major groups.

The Germanic people have a strong connection with the Havamal, which is a poem in the Poetic Edda. It translates into 'the words of the wise one' ie. Odin. It was compiled by author Snorri Sturluson in the early 1200s. Also, the rest of the Poetic Edda, the Prose Edda, Gesta Danorum and the various sagas are important.

Asatru, what most of the Germanic people call their religion, bills itself as the only religion that assigns homework.

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from Pagan_Hunter wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

It looks like most of the people who have answered are Christian, or at least monotheistic, seeing as how everyone has said "God" (Singular)

I often consecrate my Gun, Rod, Reel, lures, etc... and ask the appropriate gods to bless them. (Cernunnus for my deer gun, Barinthus for my fishing gear, etc..)

Does anyone else bless / ask for blessings on their gear?

Do you think this helps you stay connected to the spiritual fact that you are ending a life so that you can eat?

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 22 weeks 1 day ago

Good, jbird. That was a real Christ-like post on the other thread suggesting that you would rather see Sarah Palin in Penthouse because you have respect for Field and Stream.

Perhaps you should ask your Lord God what He thinks about you......

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