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Question by feltcheeks. Uploaded on April 24, 2011
My vote goes to the Colt 1911-A1 and its various clones, in .45ACP. Springfield Armory makes a good one.
Second place goes to the Browning High-Power in 9mm Luger. It could be improved with the addition of a grip safety.
Excellent! I like the 1911 but with single stack mags. The double stack feel wrong haha. BUT, I dont like the 7+1 capacity. I know you can increase that by an extended mag however. What about Sigs?
something sig sauer....maybe 9 mm or .40 s&w
I have handled nearly all the different brands, and without aftermarket modification, the Sig Saurs feel amazing followed by the High-Power. I'm not entirely sold on the Springfield XD series yet... I guess it all comes down to the way they shoot. I will only be using this weapon as a competition/carry gun either concealed or on my hip during hunting trips. I will not be using it as a home defense weapon because, as I have stated 100 times on here I have a tricked out 870 for that:P
I'll stay out of the model argument, but will say that the .45 ACP is the best round.
My vote goes to the SIG 229 in .40 S&W
Stopping Power Defined:
The Missing Piece in the Stopping Power Debate? by Ben Lawson, Ph.D.
According to the above article by Dr. Lawson, THE PISTOL RANKINGS BY CALIBER:
#1: .357 magnum is tops at 96% chance of 1-shot stop in 727 shootings (!).
#2: .40 S&W at 95% chance of 1-shot stop in 58 shootings.
#3: .45 ACP at 94% chance 1-shot stop in 85 shootings.
#4: 9mm at 90% chance 1-shot stop in 141 shootings.
#5: .380 at 69% chance 1-shot stop in 129 shootings.
#6: .38 special (regular or +P from 2 inch barrel) at 66% chance 1-shot stop in 217 shootings.
#7: .32 auto at 55% chance of 1-shot stop in 206 shootings.
But does this mean that the .45 ACP is only a “third place” performer? No, it does not... Dr. Lawson thinks there is no significant difference in the performance of the .357 Magnum, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP.
So, you will do well to get a reliable semi-auto in either .40 S&W or .45 ACP.
Here's what the US military is currently using for sidearms:
In active service (some branches or limited roles)
Mk 23 Mod 0 (Naval Special Warfare)
Mk 24 Mod 0 (SIG P226 Navy, 9x19mm) (Naval Special Warfare)
M9A1 (9x19mm) (USMC)
MEU(SOC) pistol (.45 ACP) (MEU(SOC))
SIG P229R DAK (.40 S&W) (USCG)
M1911A1 (.45 ACP) (Army)
Heckler & Koch HK45 (.45 ACP) (Naval Special Warfare)
WOW! Thank you pighunter! Always above and beyond the call of duty! I really appreciate it brother!
John Moses Browning's last pistol design was perhaps his best, what was later to become the Browning Hi-Power 9mm by Fabrique Nationale in Belgium. Perhaps the best combat sidearm ever made. A prime choice of U.S. special ops folk in SE Asia and beyond.
I have held them and they are very solid, they fit great, and are highly accurate. That is definately a contender! Thanks guys!
The Glock~20/10mm 16+1 beats all from the Deep Woods to the Streets and Towns were you live, Its a STOPER!!
"The F.B.I. briefly field-tested the 10 mm Auto in a 1911-frame platform as well as a M1928 Thompson-type submachine gun before adopting the 10 mm Auto round in the late 1980s along with the S&W Model 1076 (a short barreled version of the 1026 with a frame-mounted decocker). During testing of a new service caliber, the F.B.I. concluded that the full power of the load would result in undesirable recoil. The F.B.I. then submitted a requirement for a reduced-recoil loading. This later became known as the "10 Lite", or "10 mm F.B.I." load. Pistol reliability problems increased with this lighter load and Smith & Wesson saw this as an invitation to create something new: a shortened version of the 10 mm. This new round was called the .40 Smith & Wesson. The .40 S&W would function in a 9-mm-sized pistol; the advantage was that smaller-handed shooters could now have a 9-mm-sized gun with near-10-mm performance. The .40 S&W has since become a popular handgun caliber among law enforcement agencies in the U.S., while the popularity of the 10mm Auto has diminished. Colt, Dan Wesson Firearms, Glock, Kimber Manufacturing, Nighthawk Custom, Smith & Wesson, STI International and Tanfoglio are some of the few manufacturers that offer handguns in 10mm Auto."
Pig Hunter, Out Standing.....But "IF" I lived or camp,Fish,Climb,Trail Walk,Hike,in the Border States of Canida with Bears,Wolf Packs and such The Glock 20/10mm would be at my side!
The best could have different meanings to different people. It could be the best value for the money, the most reliable, the lightest and easiest to carry, the most accurate, the best stopping power for personal protection, etc., etc..
For me, the best means all of the above except for light and easy to carry. I acquired a Kimber .45 ACP for those characteristics and have been highly satisfied. It is not the most expensive nor is it the lightest. Its accuracy is exceptional so I really enjoy the fact that I can hit a quarter at 50 feet very reliably. It does have more recoil than a .40 S&W though so if you are shooting it in action pistol competition, it is probably more recoil than you want.
@PigHunter.... The US Navy SEALs currently carry SIG P226 in 9mm. the Combat crewmen (SWCCC) carry H&K and Beretta 92s. Back in my time, we carried 1911A .45s.
The specifications for a service pistol are usually dictated by the government awarding the contract to buy the pistol in great quantities. John Browning is often credited with designing the Browning Hi-Power as an "improvement" on the 1911 because it occurred as a later development.
Actually, the French government specified elimination of the grip safety found on the 1911 and the addition of the magazine disconnect safety, both contrary to the specs of the U.S. government when it chose the 1911. The French government also specified the 9mm caliber because it was more compatible with its demand for high capacity magazines.
Whether these changes were actually improvements has been a topic of debate over the years.
I would also like to add that there were patent infringement problems in the development of the Browning Hi-Power. John Browning had sold the patent rights to the 1911 auto to Colt, and he had to work around them in developing the Hi-Power.
The proof is in the pudding, or in this case the actual Hi-Power pistol! The rest is a bunch of legal B.S. While the grip safety is appealing to some, a combat pistol only needs one safety unless more are required by the gummint. I choose the high cap 9mm over the 7 round 1911 anytime.
I own both a 1911 and a Hi-Power, so I have no axe to grind here. I love them both, and might choose one over the other in different circumstances.
Speaking of safeties, the magazine disconnect safety on the Hi-Power is detrimental to smooth trigger operation, and is often removed for that reason, as well as to enable to shooter to continue use of the weapon after a magazine has become lost.
With regard to the grip safety, I am personally acquainted with a shooter who has lost the use of his right arm because of an accident that would have been prevented by a grip safety. He had been carrying a Beretta 92 clone "cocked and locked" and the manual safety became disengaged without his knowledge.
When it is all said and done the best and most important safety is the one located between your ears. Which are better blonds, brunnettes, or red heads? Try out as many guns as you can get your hands on to shoot and pick the one that best suits your purpose. Just remember that those big heavy guns that shoot so well are just too big to carry and get left in the truck. Once you've made your choice, practice untill you know it better than you do your lover. The best gun you can have in time of trouble is the gun you have. The one in the glove box five blocks away will do you no good. Fear the old man who only has one gun, chances are that he has come to shoot it very well.
My vote: 1911 and .45ACP
But I don't diss on others for what they run. Two close friends, both who have service time, one also being a gunsmith, are Glock aficionados. One has Tree's same Glock 20 in 10MM, the other a 22, the .40 version.
Even with that, I can't get used to Tupperware unless it's in the fridge with food in it.
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