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Question by Reid Jones. Uploaded on August 19, 2009
300 Weatherby is just over a 100 fps faster, not worth the extra bucks!
About $1.15-$1.40 per shot.
If you are going to go magnum, don't bring no boy! A .30-06 is just about 100 fps faster than a .308 Win, too. .300 Win Mag with 180 gr =2960 fps; .300 WBY = 3110 fps with the same bullet. The Win mag will fit in a .30-06, where a .300 Wby is on a long magnum action.
For most, neither is that much ahead of the '06 in handloads, but 2Poppa can tell you his personal experience with the Weatherby.
Insofar as between the two magnums I have no personal preference regarding performance. The Weatherby is 100 to 200 fps faster than the Win Mag depending on load and bullet selection but the newer Win Mag is certainly adequate for longer shots. Indeed within 300 yards an '06 will generally work just as well as the two big boys. Beyond 300 they start to shine but there are 7 mm's with their higher BC bullets that will out perform either. On the other side a .300 magnum does not come close to being a .338 given equal case lengths and diameters. My real beef with Weatherby is the increased cost of the rifles, ammunition, and even empty brass. The difference is just not worth it to me but of course others probably think the same about some of my choices. You pay you money and you get what you want...maybe.
ishawooa as for the 7 mm's with their higher BC bullets that will outperform either? I must disagree with you Sir. Staking the 7mm Rem Mag 175 grain against the 30-06 190 grain, the 30-06 is a bit flatter and faster and still pulling away at 1000 yards compared to the 7mm Rem Mag 175 grain.
As for shooting the 300 mags? I prefer my 338 Win Mag over the two any day!
I rather have a solid "MOP" hit with a 30-06 than a miss with a magnum!
Deer will never know the difference! MOP is the key! Who said anything about me missing with my 7mm magnum? HA HA
My previous post read, "The Win mag will fit in a .30-06, where a .300 Wby is on a long magnum action". What I meant to say was the .300 Win Mag will fit in a 30-06 LENGTH ACTION and the 300 Wby requires a longer action. It was late and I was somewhat tired.
I agree that the Weatherby rifles and ammunition are "not worth it" in terms of $ value to results ratio, but who the heck ever said rifle looney's were rational! I like my Weatherby rifles. Just closely examine the bolt construction and you will see the difference between them and the value package rifles. I also like my Remingtons, Savages, and Rugers too! My one Winchester is for sale and I don't have a Sako or Tikka for any reason other than I just don't.
Clay once again I will verify my statements regarding the 7 mm vs .30 cal which somewhat do not match your assumptions or preferences. I suppose I should include documentation but in my previous effort you appeared to ignore it. Later when I get time I will provide some interesting 7 mm education based exclusively upon physics, not imagination or magic. We most definately are in agreement concerning the .338 as you can no doubt easily locate my numerous posts regarding familiarity and effectiveness of this bullet diameter no matter what the case length or width.
Well I agree that 30/06 will stop just about anything providing you get MOP or MOBG, Seen those results in my day. Its does not appear that 300 mags are woth the extra gelt to me. I would go for 338 or larger if I was in Miles and Miles of Bloody Africa facing down A Cape, but for most other things 30/06 is my weapon of choice.
You carack me up BRO!
Hey if we are going to talk about .284's, how about the .264 as in 264 Win Mag B)
Got here late as usual. If I read the question right it's "what is the difference between a 300 Win Mag and a 300 Weatherby?". A 100 feet a second and a goofy case shoulder. I have shot the dickens out of both calibers have had no problems so far.
Ballistics is a science, not witchcraft. Best to all
The .300 Weatherby Magnum ...o-u-c-h!
The .300 Weatherby exceeds my ability to keep my shoulder blades from clapping together after primer ignition! I'll stick to my wimpy little 7mm Weatherby Magnum and lesser bullet launchers!
Sorry folks, I threw in one of my favorites in the .30cal group (the .300 Dakota) too just for kicks. Here are some comparative velocities out of the Barnes #3 Reloading Manual -24 inch barrels (I just took the highest velocity listed for each - straight copper bullets... no moly or hex boron nitrate coating which really gets some of these moving):
130g 165g 180g
7MM Mag 3324 3000(160g) 2826(175g)
30-06 3362 3091 2796
.300 Win 3604 3192 3103
.300 Wby 3658 3257 3276
.300 Dak 3824 3413 3253
As you can see, they get faster as you go down the list. Personal hand loads and rifles will vary. For example, I shoot .300 Dak 135g bullets at 3850 and 165s at 3600 but this will give you a pretty good idea of relative speed. I love the hallowed 30-06 but I will tell you flat out, I really notice the speed difference of 500 fps when leading game and judging wind with the .300 Dak. I shoot a pretty heavy rifle so I don't really notice much recoil difference between that and the 30-06. It is definitely far less than the .300 Win and the .300 Wby. The .338 is awesome in larger game applications but I just don't care for the recoil. I figure if it stands up to a 185g Barnes TSX bullet going 3300 fps, I will just shoot it again or use a bigger bullet. By the way, the .300 Dakota is getting groups less than .1 inch at 100 yards but I know that all these calibers are capable of superb accuracy. If you are going to shoot game in the guts, they all perform about the same too but I suspect the speed of the .300 Dakota will flatten them with a gut shot; I just havne't tried it.
2Poppa a +1
Shoulder hurts just thinking about it!
Making table more readable (I hope):
I'm getting 3062 out of a 22 inch barreled 30-06, just think if I had 24"? 3150ish fps!
53 grains of IMR4064 behind a 150 grain Hornady SST
I'm getting 2835fps out of a 190 grain out of my 30-06 and thats with a 22 inch barrel!
WA Mtnhunter & Clay-
After this past week end,I'm officially telling myself that I'm an 'Ol Man!
Dang,never thought I would admit that,but I do feel better ...LOL
That was a good post DakotaMan!
I hear you. I'm coming up on the big six-oh later this year. I hope my old bones will support 5 or 6 more good elk hunts. But after that, maybe just the deer and birds And keep on bustin' it for the RMEF. Sometimes I wake up feeling 40 and others about 70!
Gonna go to the range early Saturday to pop some handloads and Hornady 154 gr Interbonds on the Weatherby 7mm to zero with the scope I recently mounted. Also to verify zero on the .35 Whelen which I have had apart for stock work. It is supposed to cool down tonight and Friday, so maybe it will be cooler Saturday. Supposed to be 45 deg Saturday overnight. I don't like shooting when it's too warm.
I thought BAM! BAM! the WA Mtnhunter was in his late 20's early 30's and young Buck!
D'Man the DakotaMan forgot
338 Win Mag
Barnes 160 gr 3366fps
Hornady 225 gr 3010 fps
NOSLER 250 2845 FPS
IMR RELOADING DATA
Heck, Clay; I'm almost as old as you, you old geezer! LMAO
The 300 WBM is just a HOT load of the 300 WM in a bigger case. You can visually tell the difference by the more sudden neck on the Weatherby.
Agreed with DakotaMan and + 1 for you sir!!!
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