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What kind of message do you think animal tattoo contests sends to kids and non-hunters?

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from joelr271 wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

That the people who have the tattoos are passionate about what they do, and hunting means so much to them that they are willing to make it a permanent fixture on their body.

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from crm3006 wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

That hunters, as a group, are stupid rednecks. They drink beer, shoot guns, and tattoo their hides with representations of dead animals.

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from joelr271 wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

Haha, well said crm. I tried to put it nicely, because I think it's not a big deal about what people put on Their bodies, and I was attempting to defend the hunting community. But what you said is Far more accurate.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

Let's see What the Lord God Almighty says about it:

Leviticus 19:28 says, “Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.”

Yet DEATH is the number one theme of tattoos! References from tattoo books again reveal this as a fact: Death and darkness have always been a classic tattoo theme – skulls, snakes, demons.

You make the call!

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from joelr271 wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

If only everything in the Bible were taken to heart... What a world that would be. But, a growing number of people are not religious anymore or are members of a more liberal church. But, to each their own. If they chose to tattoo themselves, it is something they will have to live with, whether they like it in 20 years or not.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

joel271

Exactly. What I may find ridiculous, others may relish.

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from buckhunter wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

It's not right to think that there is something wrong with a person because they have a tattoo.

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from libertyfirst wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

I have never cared for tattoos. I see them on a large segment of our society today especially younger people where they are more accepted. I was with a group of my sons young friends this last week, both male and female, and I believe that each of them had at least one tattoo. These are all good youth and all are on their way to successful careers. One young guy must have had 20 or more and to my eye they are grotesque. I wonder what his thoughts on what he has done to his body will be in twenty years or more? If I had my way I would not in any way promote this practice but I think that it will , like many fads, be less prevalent in the near future.

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from kyle wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

Thereis alot of mistunderstanding about the personality of the person. Some tattoos are fine like one in memory of a love one, butterfly and things of that nature. The ones that do bother me alittle are the ones that are gang related. Things like the gang sign or have a tear under your eye. So have a tattoo of animals I think its fine. I think that there should be a few laws about getting a tattoo. Like, you have to wait 48 hours after you go in a tattoo place to get it done. This way you can be sure that you want to have one. Also you can not be drunk when you get one. After all they are perarment.

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from PAShooter wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

The topic of tattoos seems to bring controversy.

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from blackdawgz wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

I am an ordained minister. I agree that most of what's in the bible is hogwash intended for social control and tax collection. Yet it is also the easiest way to get people headed in the right direction.

There is nothing wrong with skin art to represent something joyful and harmless to society.

I shoot guns and drink beer.

Tatoos are a part of my Native American heritage, and are a First Amendment right.

I have tatoos that serve as a daily reminder of where I have been and how I have survived, and they have their place in the history of the spread of Christianity.

And who cares what non-hunters "think" anyway.

Don't call anybody a Stupid Redneck before you give them an IQ test.

Rednecks have a very positive culture, and they are the backbone of what is left of Amerika.

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from DakotaMan wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

What CRM said.

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from NyBigGameHunter wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

It sends the message that unlike regular society, hunters are not discriminative of other people for their looks. If a person decides to get a tattoo that is their decision, if a person decides to have a big ol' beer belly, that is their decision. Hunting is a passion, and to many people an obsession, and if a person is proud enough of their hunting heritage to display it on their bodies for the world to see: good for them! What message does it send to our kids or non-hunters if we portray an inaccurate image of ourselves as the white collar, shirt and tie, only clean cut and clean shaven men and women that hunt? Our hunting fraternity is a diverse one and a very welcoming one: I welcome those from different backgrounds and different life styles that make our sport what it is. It doesn't matter what you look like in our sport, all that matters is that you respect the wilderness and respect each other. People need to stop being soo darn politically correct, and just live their lives the way they want to!

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from Elmer Fudd wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

the earrings all over the body bothers me more

it reminds me of the long hair on guys issue of long ago, I still think that stinks but I think we all see now it is just personal choice.

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from RichardF wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

Better a tatoo of a deer that is likely covered half the time rather than a naked lady that is visible most of the time.

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from Hunter Savage wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

i think what i do as a person and a hunter in life and the field has much more bearing on how i am viewed ,over the fact that i have tattoos . it seems to me if your willing to judge a person that has tattoos before you get to know them ,than you might just judge them on their skin color first as well . in turn proving yourself a much more narrow minded simpleton than the person your judging . if i really had to say what my tattoos are about it would be my eagles for (freedom) , my lone wolf howling at the moon (independence) my bobcat (stealth and patience) my bear track (strength and power). tattoos are a personal choice like the guns i choose to hunt with . if my tattoos send any message it would be that i am passionate about the outdoors .

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from crm3006 wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

Whoa and back up a minute, gentlemen. The question was: What kind of message does it send? With 40% of America publicly identifying themselves as conservative, the image of the hunter is not enhanced by a tattoo contest in one of America's premier outdoor publications. Have all the tattoos you wish, but I still contend that tattoos have a negative connotation to a lot of the American public, the kind of people that we want to be in sympathy with our cause. Let the PITA freaks do the outrageous and absurd.

blackdawgz-you should read before you type. I did not condemn anyone for having tattoos, just commented on the message it conveys. My advice to you, is to re-read St. Matthew, and read carefully Chapter 7, verse 1 and 2, and Chapter 12 verse 25.

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from babsfish4life wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

The best quote I heard about tatoos was at directed at high school students:

"Don't get any tatoos that you can't hide in a job interview"

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from Hunter Savage wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

crm3006
i am a conservative i also have tattoos . i think you may be underestimating just how many Americans or people in the world are in fact tattooed today. i know state police officers some nurses and one judge (a childhood friend) that have ink . and i will tell you what, i will be damned if i am going to live my life in your cookie cutter fashion to gain (sympathy) from anyone . our day to day actions in life speak more of us than the color of our skin or the pictures that are on it . is it ok for soldiers to have tattoos or does that mean because they do they are barbarians bent on death and destruction ?

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from crm3006 wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

cooner-
I agree about not living in a cookie cutter fashion. The question concerned what message does it send. I am neither applauding nor condemning, just commenting on my take on the message. See babsfish4life comment, above.

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from Hunter Savage wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

i have seen babs. post crm. and as i stated before the message i think it sends is that i am passionate about the outdoors . now if i was walking around with 666 and swastikas tattooed on my forehead and face i would say you might very well have cause for concern and have the right to judge me on the spot .any thing short of hate and raciest insignias i will say ask before passing judgement on someone .

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from crm3006 wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

cooner-
You make my point better than I can. Again, I am neither condemning nor applauding, the question was regarding the message sent. A lot of people do not differentiate between your tattoos and the hate tattoos you mention. They will not ask, just form a judgement, biased though it may be, based on the fact of the tattoo. You may think it sends one message, the uninitiated may take it another way. Perception is reality. Ask yourself, if the message is what you think it is, why do you even need to defend your position on tattoos?

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from Hunter Savage wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

i dont think i need to defend any thing on my body . i have never in my 20+ of being inked had one person give me any flack about what they have seen on my body . in fact i have always had just the opposite reaction from people they always want to see all that i have and ask questions about them all.why did i get it ,what does it stand for, who did the work, did it hurt what was the cost and so on.
so i will say you are dead wrong people do differentiate between hate type tattoos and the ones of wildlife, tribal art,names and so on . my next door neighbor is 73 years old and more religious than the day is long .she has seen me out in the yard and garden and called me over to her yard to show off my tats to her friends before . although i am still not sure if they wanted to look at my tattoos or just feel my arms and chest while looking at them . either way it dont matter they were happy and not appalled by looking at them . no harm no foul to me lmao

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

I like tattoos. It is like a neon sign telling me what kind of person I am looking at. If I see neck, head, or facial tattoos, I immediately know I am looking at a gangbanger or moron.

I don't think tattoo contests send a positive message to our youth and detractors. I am glad that I never was drunk enough to get one in my youth!

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from sgaredneck wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

I think the tattoo thing is a personal choice.

As for F&S running a contest on it, IMO that is more of a play to younger (supposedly hipper) readers. It has absolutely ZERO literary content or value as far as I'm concerned. Does it make F&S (the magazine or the website) a better place to exchange ideas? IMO no. Does it advance our causes with people outside the bounds of the outdoors/fishing/hunting/shooting community? IMO no. I think somebody outside our group would look at a person with ink like that and instantly judge them lesser without any second thought.

Ask this question. Does it help or explain what we are about here, or does it possibly make us more unapproachable and misunderstood?

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

'neck

I just think the ink makes them more likely to receive their "Sign"!

JMO! LOL!

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from MLH wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

From what I have seen there is not much the older generations can say the will affect kids' views on tattoos. Most pretty much accept it and think it is cool. Glad I won't be them when they get wrinkles, though.

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from Skeeb wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

Personally, any tatoo that is obnoxious, like cooner suggested a swastika, is a show of poor judgement or tells me that they like to get blackout drunk on occasion, lol, but I know for a fact that I am going to get one to symbolize my passion for the outdoors AND my heritage.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

Skeeb

I'll just go ahead and give you your "Sign" in advance, so "Here's your Sign"! LOL

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from Jeff4066 wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

As a Marine, I have seen tattoos that would curl your hair. It's a personal choice, yes.

I look at it as a society in general thing. Out of simple respect, I don't think they should be visible when you are dressed for work. I also think that they can damage respect for a person. I also think that some people have issues, and like other things, large tattoos are a statement, or attention-getting thing.

I only have a small one. It just says; "U.S.M.C.". That makes all the statement in the world I care to make.

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from Del in KS wrote 2 years 9 weeks ago

I have a friend at work who is one of the nicest guys you would ever meet. He is also covered with ink. My family does not judge folks by their tatttoos. What you have here is a visual thing that effects first impressions for many people. Not to many CEO's have tattoos and to spend good money putting a PERMANENT tattoo on your body is just something I would never do. Give me a new rifle, some ammo, new reloading gear, etc with that money.

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from Skeeb wrote 2 years 9 weeks ago

WAM,
It's been a while since I was able to pull one outta you. lol

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from NyBigGameHunter wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

It sends the message that unlike regular society, hunters are not discriminative of other people for their looks. If a person decides to get a tattoo that is their decision, if a person decides to have a big ol' beer belly, that is their decision. Hunting is a passion, and to many people an obsession, and if a person is proud enough of their hunting heritage to display it on their bodies for the world to see: good for them! What message does it send to our kids or non-hunters if we portray an inaccurate image of ourselves as the white collar, shirt and tie, only clean cut and clean shaven men and women that hunt? Our hunting fraternity is a diverse one and a very welcoming one: I welcome those from different backgrounds and different life styles that make our sport what it is. It doesn't matter what you look like in our sport, all that matters is that you respect the wilderness and respect each other. People need to stop being soo darn politically correct, and just live their lives the way they want to!

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from buckhunter wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

It's not right to think that there is something wrong with a person because they have a tattoo.

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from joelr271 wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

If only everything in the Bible were taken to heart... What a world that would be. But, a growing number of people are not religious anymore or are members of a more liberal church. But, to each their own. If they chose to tattoo themselves, it is something they will have to live with, whether they like it in 20 years or not.

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from blackdawgz wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

I am an ordained minister. I agree that most of what's in the bible is hogwash intended for social control and tax collection. Yet it is also the easiest way to get people headed in the right direction.

There is nothing wrong with skin art to represent something joyful and harmless to society.

I shoot guns and drink beer.

Tatoos are a part of my Native American heritage, and are a First Amendment right.

I have tatoos that serve as a daily reminder of where I have been and how I have survived, and they have their place in the history of the spread of Christianity.

And who cares what non-hunters "think" anyway.

Don't call anybody a Stupid Redneck before you give them an IQ test.

Rednecks have a very positive culture, and they are the backbone of what is left of Amerika.

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from joelr271 wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

That the people who have the tattoos are passionate about what they do, and hunting means so much to them that they are willing to make it a permanent fixture on their body.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

Let's see What the Lord God Almighty says about it:

Leviticus 19:28 says, “Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.”

Yet DEATH is the number one theme of tattoos! References from tattoo books again reveal this as a fact: Death and darkness have always been a classic tattoo theme – skulls, snakes, demons.

You make the call!

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from kyle wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

Thereis alot of mistunderstanding about the personality of the person. Some tattoos are fine like one in memory of a love one, butterfly and things of that nature. The ones that do bother me alittle are the ones that are gang related. Things like the gang sign or have a tear under your eye. So have a tattoo of animals I think its fine. I think that there should be a few laws about getting a tattoo. Like, you have to wait 48 hours after you go in a tattoo place to get it done. This way you can be sure that you want to have one. Also you can not be drunk when you get one. After all they are perarment.

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from DakotaMan wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

What CRM said.

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from RichardF wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

Better a tatoo of a deer that is likely covered half the time rather than a naked lady that is visible most of the time.

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from Hunter Savage wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

i think what i do as a person and a hunter in life and the field has much more bearing on how i am viewed ,over the fact that i have tattoos . it seems to me if your willing to judge a person that has tattoos before you get to know them ,than you might just judge them on their skin color first as well . in turn proving yourself a much more narrow minded simpleton than the person your judging . if i really had to say what my tattoos are about it would be my eagles for (freedom) , my lone wolf howling at the moon (independence) my bobcat (stealth and patience) my bear track (strength and power). tattoos are a personal choice like the guns i choose to hunt with . if my tattoos send any message it would be that i am passionate about the outdoors .

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from babsfish4life wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

The best quote I heard about tatoos was at directed at high school students:

"Don't get any tatoos that you can't hide in a job interview"

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from Del in KS wrote 2 years 9 weeks ago

I have a friend at work who is one of the nicest guys you would ever meet. He is also covered with ink. My family does not judge folks by their tatttoos. What you have here is a visual thing that effects first impressions for many people. Not to many CEO's have tattoos and to spend good money putting a PERMANENT tattoo on your body is just something I would never do. Give me a new rifle, some ammo, new reloading gear, etc with that money.

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from crm3006 wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

That hunters, as a group, are stupid rednecks. They drink beer, shoot guns, and tattoo their hides with representations of dead animals.

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from joelr271 wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

Haha, well said crm. I tried to put it nicely, because I think it's not a big deal about what people put on Their bodies, and I was attempting to defend the hunting community. But what you said is Far more accurate.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

joel271

Exactly. What I may find ridiculous, others may relish.

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from libertyfirst wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

I have never cared for tattoos. I see them on a large segment of our society today especially younger people where they are more accepted. I was with a group of my sons young friends this last week, both male and female, and I believe that each of them had at least one tattoo. These are all good youth and all are on their way to successful careers. One young guy must have had 20 or more and to my eye they are grotesque. I wonder what his thoughts on what he has done to his body will be in twenty years or more? If I had my way I would not in any way promote this practice but I think that it will , like many fads, be less prevalent in the near future.

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from PAShooter wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

The topic of tattoos seems to bring controversy.

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from Elmer Fudd wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

the earrings all over the body bothers me more

it reminds me of the long hair on guys issue of long ago, I still think that stinks but I think we all see now it is just personal choice.

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from crm3006 wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

Whoa and back up a minute, gentlemen. The question was: What kind of message does it send? With 40% of America publicly identifying themselves as conservative, the image of the hunter is not enhanced by a tattoo contest in one of America's premier outdoor publications. Have all the tattoos you wish, but I still contend that tattoos have a negative connotation to a lot of the American public, the kind of people that we want to be in sympathy with our cause. Let the PITA freaks do the outrageous and absurd.

blackdawgz-you should read before you type. I did not condemn anyone for having tattoos, just commented on the message it conveys. My advice to you, is to re-read St. Matthew, and read carefully Chapter 7, verse 1 and 2, and Chapter 12 verse 25.

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from crm3006 wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

cooner-
I agree about not living in a cookie cutter fashion. The question concerned what message does it send. I am neither applauding nor condemning, just commenting on my take on the message. See babsfish4life comment, above.

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from crm3006 wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

cooner-
You make my point better than I can. Again, I am neither condemning nor applauding, the question was regarding the message sent. A lot of people do not differentiate between your tattoos and the hate tattoos you mention. They will not ask, just form a judgement, biased though it may be, based on the fact of the tattoo. You may think it sends one message, the uninitiated may take it another way. Perception is reality. Ask yourself, if the message is what you think it is, why do you even need to defend your position on tattoos?

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

I like tattoos. It is like a neon sign telling me what kind of person I am looking at. If I see neck, head, or facial tattoos, I immediately know I am looking at a gangbanger or moron.

I don't think tattoo contests send a positive message to our youth and detractors. I am glad that I never was drunk enough to get one in my youth!

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from sgaredneck wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

I think the tattoo thing is a personal choice.

As for F&S running a contest on it, IMO that is more of a play to younger (supposedly hipper) readers. It has absolutely ZERO literary content or value as far as I'm concerned. Does it make F&S (the magazine or the website) a better place to exchange ideas? IMO no. Does it advance our causes with people outside the bounds of the outdoors/fishing/hunting/shooting community? IMO no. I think somebody outside our group would look at a person with ink like that and instantly judge them lesser without any second thought.

Ask this question. Does it help or explain what we are about here, or does it possibly make us more unapproachable and misunderstood?

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

'neck

I just think the ink makes them more likely to receive their "Sign"!

JMO! LOL!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

Skeeb

I'll just go ahead and give you your "Sign" in advance, so "Here's your Sign"! LOL

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from Jeff4066 wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

As a Marine, I have seen tattoos that would curl your hair. It's a personal choice, yes.

I look at it as a society in general thing. Out of simple respect, I don't think they should be visible when you are dressed for work. I also think that they can damage respect for a person. I also think that some people have issues, and like other things, large tattoos are a statement, or attention-getting thing.

I only have a small one. It just says; "U.S.M.C.". That makes all the statement in the world I care to make.

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from Hunter Savage wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

crm3006
i am a conservative i also have tattoos . i think you may be underestimating just how many Americans or people in the world are in fact tattooed today. i know state police officers some nurses and one judge (a childhood friend) that have ink . and i will tell you what, i will be damned if i am going to live my life in your cookie cutter fashion to gain (sympathy) from anyone . our day to day actions in life speak more of us than the color of our skin or the pictures that are on it . is it ok for soldiers to have tattoos or does that mean because they do they are barbarians bent on death and destruction ?

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from Hunter Savage wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

i have seen babs. post crm. and as i stated before the message i think it sends is that i am passionate about the outdoors . now if i was walking around with 666 and swastikas tattooed on my forehead and face i would say you might very well have cause for concern and have the right to judge me on the spot .any thing short of hate and raciest insignias i will say ask before passing judgement on someone .

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from Hunter Savage wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

i dont think i need to defend any thing on my body . i have never in my 20+ of being inked had one person give me any flack about what they have seen on my body . in fact i have always had just the opposite reaction from people they always want to see all that i have and ask questions about them all.why did i get it ,what does it stand for, who did the work, did it hurt what was the cost and so on.
so i will say you are dead wrong people do differentiate between hate type tattoos and the ones of wildlife, tribal art,names and so on . my next door neighbor is 73 years old and more religious than the day is long .she has seen me out in the yard and garden and called me over to her yard to show off my tats to her friends before . although i am still not sure if they wanted to look at my tattoos or just feel my arms and chest while looking at them . either way it dont matter they were happy and not appalled by looking at them . no harm no foul to me lmao

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from MLH wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

From what I have seen there is not much the older generations can say the will affect kids' views on tattoos. Most pretty much accept it and think it is cool. Glad I won't be them when they get wrinkles, though.

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from Skeeb wrote 2 years 10 weeks ago

Personally, any tatoo that is obnoxious, like cooner suggested a swastika, is a show of poor judgement or tells me that they like to get blackout drunk on occasion, lol, but I know for a fact that I am going to get one to symbolize my passion for the outdoors AND my heritage.

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from Skeeb wrote 2 years 9 weeks ago

WAM,
It's been a while since I was able to pull one outta you. lol

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