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Years ago Chuck Adams wrote he did not like and would not use mechanical broadheads. That is 'cause at the time they were all over the top heads. The Rage opens to the rear and is fully open before the blades make contact. Well guess who is shooting Rage 2 blade heads now. None other than ol' Chuck himself. I have one Rage b-head that has taken 2 deer so far and counting. In the old days about every 4th deer hit by my arrow got away. Several people have posted about losing deer hit with other brands so I know it happens to everyone sometimes. Since Rage only one out of 8 deer I shot have gotten away. Yes all b-heads do the job more or less. But I never could get fixed blades (and I tried many) to fly as accurately as Rage. Don't you think accuracy is very important if you want to collect that deer humanely?
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Well, bowhunting is a very short range affair, and you only need to be so accurate. I can shoot my fixed blades accurately enough that I can't be shooting them at the same bull, I'd be shaving vanes off. Even if you're only making 3-4 inch groups at 20 yards, you're set. Anyone should be able to achieve that kind of accuracy, even with those "inaccurate" fixed blades.
The accuracy advantage of using expandables is minute if not insignifigant. How much has your accuracy improved? I don't see it being much. The 100% reliability advantage of fixed blades is huge. I'll use the head that can't possibly fail as apposed to the head that has a record of failing here and there if not more often. Fixed blades have been killing beasts for millenia, while expandables have been running hyped up adds and making sales and not quickly killing beasts for years.
A shot that's off by a half inch or an inch isn't inhumane. Your broadhead not opening or glancing off a rib and away from the vitals is.
i must agree with you shane on the fixed blade heads
but i did take a nice doe a few days ago with a trophy ridge meat secker it flew great and did the job well at 20 yards but im now buck hunting and i will be using my 3 blade muzzys becuase i dont what to take the chance on mechaincal failer on a nice buck also my bow was set with muzzy heads and flew the meat seckers fine with out having to adjust my site at all that really impressed me
depends on the accuracy of the shooter. to best kill a deer the area most shot at because it is the largest would be the vitals which have about an 8 in diamiater for the best hit. now if a broad head is shot exactly the same like a rifle from a gun rest ( if you think of a way to do this tell me) at a target that size and it is always in that kill zone then that is all the more accurate that broad head needs to be the rest just depends on weather the shooter can shoot as well as the bhead
To each his/her own but I've been using Muzzy 100 grain 3 blade fixed broadheads for close to 20 years now and I've NEVER lost a whitetail I've hit with one yet (17). I've also NEVER had a Muzzy not blow completly through a whitetail (17). Yes, accuracy is important, but so is shot selection and the self control to pass up on a shot that might be too long, or a shot on a deer that is spooked big time. My average shot on deer with a bow is 10-15 yards. My longest shot ever with a bow is 25 yards, I just refuse to take anything longer as there are way too many things that can go wrong and I have too much respect for the animal to cripple it and make it suffer because I tried to make a hail mary shot. This is how I also feel about mechanical broadheads. They may work good for some people but I would not use one and risk one failing (and believe me, if it could happen ,I would be the one it happened to)just for that reason. The chance. Good luck and happy hunting!
i also use 3 blade muzzys and they fly prety accurate but a friend of mine bought 4 blades and found them very inaccurate does that have something to do with them going on plane
shane put it very well.
My son shot an 8pt tonight. It's his first compound bow kill. Check out the hole the 100 grn thunderhead made.
[IMG]http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s280/jkreager/clarksbuck001.jpg[/IMG]
try it again
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s280/jkreager/clarksbuck001.jpg
Congratulations to your son, I know you're a proud father!!! Excellent post...
buckhunter, congrats to your son that is a nice deer.
To Del- Yes it's important.(I told you I'll buy some next year ! lol).
To buckhuter- NICE ONE ! Congrats to you BOTH !
Accuracy is very important. My Muzzy heads fly very well. They also come with practice inserts which I find helpful.
As for the man with longest right arm and the most wide angle lenses in the business (if you don't understand what I mean just look at a photo of him with a critter) he will hunt with what ever or who ever pays him the most cash.
As for the Rage, I will say your photos of the exit wound certainly make the case for excellence!
True, Del, accuracy is the key. I believe the mechanical variable is just another thing to go wrong, though i have heard the Rages open reliably.
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Del- either Rage is paying you a large some of money to continue these talks or you, my friend, are a "Rage"oholic!
By the way I also shoot the Rage! Wonderful technology!
Oh really amusbuster, then how come you don't have your own T.V. show? With the skills you are claming you have every major hunting supplyer would be throwing money to endorse their product. Never heard of you so you must be full of sh@t or dumber than a bag full of hammers!!!!
now I;m thinking it both!!!!!
kyle, sorry to read your last 2 post on this subject, you certainly are an angry man, hunted with this guy at great gray outfitters and south ram outfitters about 5 years ago. he actually has 6 shows on the net and tv. you will see him weekly on versus , he's actually a nice guy but loves to stir stuff on sites, guess he won ????
great comment beekeeper !
my apolagize about that, what I was angry at was his post every one was cussing and swearing and we do not need that on here. We have 10 11 year olds on this site. I really don't think that a youngster should be reading stuff like that. We adults should be setting good examples for the youngsters. So he has his own show? Which one? Again I'm sorry for the last two post I wrote but he past my line on how he was posting his comments. BTW there is quite of few others agreed with me.
Best of luck to you.
bucksavage-
looks like F&S had enough complaints about anusbuster about his comments that they kicked him off.
best of luck to you.
bucksavage,
No big deal but just wondering why you are defending anusbuster here but on another post you were agreeing with us. Perhaps you were thinking about somebody else.
Best of luck to you
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Well, bowhunting is a very short range affair, and you only need to be so accurate. I can shoot my fixed blades accurately enough that I can't be shooting them at the same bull, I'd be shaving vanes off. Even if you're only making 3-4 inch groups at 20 yards, you're set. Anyone should be able to achieve that kind of accuracy, even with those "inaccurate" fixed blades.
The accuracy advantage of using expandables is minute if not insignifigant. How much has your accuracy improved? I don't see it being much. The 100% reliability advantage of fixed blades is huge. I'll use the head that can't possibly fail as apposed to the head that has a record of failing here and there if not more often. Fixed blades have been killing beasts for millenia, while expandables have been running hyped up adds and making sales and not quickly killing beasts for years.
A shot that's off by a half inch or an inch isn't inhumane. Your broadhead not opening or glancing off a rib and away from the vitals is.
Congratulations to your son, I know you're a proud father!!! Excellent post...
Accuracy is very important. My Muzzy heads fly very well. They also come with practice inserts which I find helpful.
As for the man with longest right arm and the most wide angle lenses in the business (if you don't understand what I mean just look at a photo of him with a critter) he will hunt with what ever or who ever pays him the most cash.
As for the Rage, I will say your photos of the exit wound certainly make the case for excellence!
i must agree with you shane on the fixed blade heads
but i did take a nice doe a few days ago with a trophy ridge meat secker it flew great and did the job well at 20 yards but im now buck hunting and i will be using my 3 blade muzzys becuase i dont what to take the chance on mechaincal failer on a nice buck also my bow was set with muzzy heads and flew the meat seckers fine with out having to adjust my site at all that really impressed me
depends on the accuracy of the shooter. to best kill a deer the area most shot at because it is the largest would be the vitals which have about an 8 in diamiater for the best hit. now if a broad head is shot exactly the same like a rifle from a gun rest ( if you think of a way to do this tell me) at a target that size and it is always in that kill zone then that is all the more accurate that broad head needs to be the rest just depends on weather the shooter can shoot as well as the bhead
To each his/her own but I've been using Muzzy 100 grain 3 blade fixed broadheads for close to 20 years now and I've NEVER lost a whitetail I've hit with one yet (17). I've also NEVER had a Muzzy not blow completly through a whitetail (17). Yes, accuracy is important, but so is shot selection and the self control to pass up on a shot that might be too long, or a shot on a deer that is spooked big time. My average shot on deer with a bow is 10-15 yards. My longest shot ever with a bow is 25 yards, I just refuse to take anything longer as there are way too many things that can go wrong and I have too much respect for the animal to cripple it and make it suffer because I tried to make a hail mary shot. This is how I also feel about mechanical broadheads. They may work good for some people but I would not use one and risk one failing (and believe me, if it could happen ,I would be the one it happened to)just for that reason. The chance. Good luck and happy hunting!
i also use 3 blade muzzys and they fly prety accurate but a friend of mine bought 4 blades and found them very inaccurate does that have something to do with them going on plane
shane put it very well.
My son shot an 8pt tonight. It's his first compound bow kill. Check out the hole the 100 grn thunderhead made.
[IMG]http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s280/jkreager/clarksbuck001.jpg[/IMG]
try it again
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s280/jkreager/clarksbuck001.jpg
buckhunter, congrats to your son that is a nice deer.
To Del- Yes it's important.(I told you I'll buy some next year ! lol).
To buckhuter- NICE ONE ! Congrats to you BOTH !
True, Del, accuracy is the key. I believe the mechanical variable is just another thing to go wrong, though i have heard the Rages open reliably.
.
my apolagize about that, what I was angry at was his post every one was cussing and swearing and we do not need that on here. We have 10 11 year olds on this site. I really don't think that a youngster should be reading stuff like that. We adults should be setting good examples for the youngsters. So he has his own show? Which one? Again I'm sorry for the last two post I wrote but he past my line on how he was posting his comments. BTW there is quite of few others agreed with me.
Best of luck to you.
bucksavage-
looks like F&S had enough complaints about anusbuster about his comments that they kicked him off.
best of luck to you.
Del- either Rage is paying you a large some of money to continue these talks or you, my friend, are a "Rage"oholic!
By the way I also shoot the Rage! Wonderful technology!
Oh really amusbuster, then how come you don't have your own T.V. show? With the skills you are claming you have every major hunting supplyer would be throwing money to endorse their product. Never heard of you so you must be full of sh@t or dumber than a bag full of hammers!!!!
now I;m thinking it both!!!!!
kyle, sorry to read your last 2 post on this subject, you certainly are an angry man, hunted with this guy at great gray outfitters and south ram outfitters about 5 years ago. he actually has 6 shows on the net and tv. you will see him weekly on versus , he's actually a nice guy but loves to stir stuff on sites, guess he won ????
great comment beekeeper !
bucksavage,
No big deal but just wondering why you are defending anusbuster here but on another post you were agreeing with us. Perhaps you were thinking about somebody else.
Best of luck to you
i only shoot Crimson Talon heads for the last 4 years, i have killed over 400 whitetail, blacktail, moose, elk, mtn lion, buffalo, alligators, prong horn.. first f chuck adams. he's just tv shit. he's a fence hunter. and no mechanical works everytime. the Talon leaves a one inch hole.
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