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NEED HELP...ok there is a big agrueement between my friends..the question is can you stop a black bear from killing you or stop it from doing any damage to yourself by shooting it with one shot with a 12 gauge 2 3/4" birdshot from ten feet away. And you are throwing out the nature of a black bear!! it is charging you no matter what and aint going to stop...,thanks

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from lefthandedshooter wrote 1 year 27 weeks ago

well here if its charging then maybe not . but if you hit it in the right spot it might back off or just fall down it really depends on the size of the bear . because the older the bear the thinker the noggen the harder it will be to kill it. but it also depends target loads or #4 lead the bigger the shot might make a difference but i would say if target loads i would say your a dead man 4 lead you might have a chance

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from Jim in Mo wrote 1 year 27 weeks ago

If it's charging you gotta do whatever to survive. Good luck with bird shot, maybe you'll blind it. In a perfect world I'd use #4 buckshot and I'm not talking four ought.

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from whitetailfreek wrote 1 year 27 weeks ago

Didn't we already talk about this before? See my original posts. I am not taking the time to explain all the scientific crap I talked about before.

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from fng wrote 1 year 27 weeks ago

its possible. Blind it, hit a major artery around its clavicle, go through an eye into the brain, or into a fracture line in the skull or its ear. This is with 7 1/2 on down; #10 won't even really break skin unless its 5 feet away due to a heavy pelt. with the old SSG, buckshot or really large pellet sizes, its possible. I wouldn't count on it "bang-flop"ing the bear; Karamojo Bell said it best; "There are a lot of calibers that will kill an elephant, but very few are capable of STOPPING one." If I was hunting/fishing and was in bear country, a few 2 3/4 or 3" slugs would find their way into my upland/fishing vest; dad had a few close encounters with moose during bird season. His cousin killed one at about three feet (charging), due to the sabot breaking through its nose and a few pellets in the eyes and the fact it was a very young bull probably in its first rut. Just because you could, doesn't mean I would.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 26 weeks ago

Maybe you guys didn't see the video posted on here about the shot and wall penetration a while back. A load of any size shot is pretty formidable at 10 feet.

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from DakotaMan wrote 1 year 26 weeks ago

Regardless of shot size, any shot shell performs about like a slug of the same weight at 10 feet. It is easy to do an experiment. Just shoot a 10 inch tree from that range and see what happens. It sure doesn't look like birdshot when you see a 3/4 inch+ hole going all the way through the tree. My dad's best friend was accidentally killed by a 12 gauge 2 3/4 inch #4 pheasant load under similar conditions. He was a pretty stout guy. The entry wound (about a 1/4 inch above the heart) was a normal 3/4 inch hole, the exit wound was over 3 inches in diameter and took three ribs out with it. That was a terrible accident that happened when I was 10 years old and we have all been extra careful around fire arms since; especially the often perceived as "sissy" shotguns.

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from libertyfirst wrote 1 year 26 weeks ago

I would search through the answer section for this very question just a few weeks ago. WAM says it very well. A charge of shot from a 12 ga. at very close range is a very potent weapon!

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from mwoller wrote 1 year 26 weeks ago

dependson the size of the bear where you shoot it why its charging in first place and other things. is it possible? ya anything is possible just not as likely

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from wildcaller11 wrote 1 year 26 weeks ago

It will work, though if you are lucky and somehow get a pellet that kills the bear, the body may just roll over you from inertia, though that is worlds better than having your face ripped off by a very anger bear.

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from jamesti wrote 1 year 26 weeks ago

good luck hitting a charging bear to begin with. they are faster than you think and one shot is all you are gonna get, if that. either way, don't play dead with a black bear. they begin eating you immediately unlike a grizzley or brown that will leave you and come back later.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 26 weeks ago

During my 4 years in Alaska working with the Sporting Community, I had a tremendous amount of cross section contact with all the above. The Wildlife Biologists including Guides all told me, never-mind the slugs, buckshot and hand cannons, a good waterfowl load in the face works the best!

Has anyone ever shot a car door at 10 feet?

NASTY!

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from Hunter Savage wrote 1 year 26 weeks ago

The twelve gauge at close range with any load is a force to be reckoned with.

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from Jere Smith wrote 1 year 26 weeks ago

One word YES. If you hit it well.

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from Goose wrote 1 year 17 weeks ago

The bear would probably stop if hit in both eyes but if it was hit without getting blinded it would just be more pissed off.

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from Goose wrote 1 year 17 weeks ago

The bear would probably stop if hit in both eyes but if it was hit without getting blinded it would just be more pissed off.

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from jandemason wrote 45 weeks 1 day ago

At ten feet any size shot from a normal 12 gauge is almost like a slug it should stop the charge.

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from patrickharen wrote 41 weeks 16 hours ago

at 10 feet that shot has barely expanded its going kill it that close the wadding will be burried in its face

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from owenosker wrote 28 weeks 6 days ago

how hard is it to carry slugs? or a .45? or even pepper spray? but if thats all ya got with is a 12 gauge with bird shot, shoot it as many times as possible!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 26 weeks ago

Maybe you guys didn't see the video posted on here about the shot and wall penetration a while back. A load of any size shot is pretty formidable at 10 feet.

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from DakotaMan wrote 1 year 26 weeks ago

Regardless of shot size, any shot shell performs about like a slug of the same weight at 10 feet. It is easy to do an experiment. Just shoot a 10 inch tree from that range and see what happens. It sure doesn't look like birdshot when you see a 3/4 inch+ hole going all the way through the tree. My dad's best friend was accidentally killed by a 12 gauge 2 3/4 inch #4 pheasant load under similar conditions. He was a pretty stout guy. The entry wound (about a 1/4 inch above the heart) was a normal 3/4 inch hole, the exit wound was over 3 inches in diameter and took three ribs out with it. That was a terrible accident that happened when I was 10 years old and we have all been extra careful around fire arms since; especially the often perceived as "sissy" shotguns.

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from libertyfirst wrote 1 year 26 weeks ago

I would search through the answer section for this very question just a few weeks ago. WAM says it very well. A charge of shot from a 12 ga. at very close range is a very potent weapon!

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from jamesti wrote 1 year 26 weeks ago

good luck hitting a charging bear to begin with. they are faster than you think and one shot is all you are gonna get, if that. either way, don't play dead with a black bear. they begin eating you immediately unlike a grizzley or brown that will leave you and come back later.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 26 weeks ago

During my 4 years in Alaska working with the Sporting Community, I had a tremendous amount of cross section contact with all the above. The Wildlife Biologists including Guides all told me, never-mind the slugs, buckshot and hand cannons, a good waterfowl load in the face works the best!

Has anyone ever shot a car door at 10 feet?

NASTY!

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from lefthandedshooter wrote 1 year 27 weeks ago

well here if its charging then maybe not . but if you hit it in the right spot it might back off or just fall down it really depends on the size of the bear . because the older the bear the thinker the noggen the harder it will be to kill it. but it also depends target loads or #4 lead the bigger the shot might make a difference but i would say if target loads i would say your a dead man 4 lead you might have a chance

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from Jim in Mo wrote 1 year 27 weeks ago

If it's charging you gotta do whatever to survive. Good luck with bird shot, maybe you'll blind it. In a perfect world I'd use #4 buckshot and I'm not talking four ought.

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from whitetailfreek wrote 1 year 27 weeks ago

Didn't we already talk about this before? See my original posts. I am not taking the time to explain all the scientific crap I talked about before.

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from fng wrote 1 year 27 weeks ago

its possible. Blind it, hit a major artery around its clavicle, go through an eye into the brain, or into a fracture line in the skull or its ear. This is with 7 1/2 on down; #10 won't even really break skin unless its 5 feet away due to a heavy pelt. with the old SSG, buckshot or really large pellet sizes, its possible. I wouldn't count on it "bang-flop"ing the bear; Karamojo Bell said it best; "There are a lot of calibers that will kill an elephant, but very few are capable of STOPPING one." If I was hunting/fishing and was in bear country, a few 2 3/4 or 3" slugs would find their way into my upland/fishing vest; dad had a few close encounters with moose during bird season. His cousin killed one at about three feet (charging), due to the sabot breaking through its nose and a few pellets in the eyes and the fact it was a very young bull probably in its first rut. Just because you could, doesn't mean I would.

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from Hunter Savage wrote 1 year 26 weeks ago

The twelve gauge at close range with any load is a force to be reckoned with.

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from mwoller wrote 1 year 26 weeks ago

dependson the size of the bear where you shoot it why its charging in first place and other things. is it possible? ya anything is possible just not as likely

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from wildcaller11 wrote 1 year 26 weeks ago

It will work, though if you are lucky and somehow get a pellet that kills the bear, the body may just roll over you from inertia, though that is worlds better than having your face ripped off by a very anger bear.

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from Jere Smith wrote 1 year 26 weeks ago

One word YES. If you hit it well.

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from Goose wrote 1 year 17 weeks ago

The bear would probably stop if hit in both eyes but if it was hit without getting blinded it would just be more pissed off.

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from Goose wrote 1 year 17 weeks ago

The bear would probably stop if hit in both eyes but if it was hit without getting blinded it would just be more pissed off.

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from jandemason wrote 45 weeks 1 day ago

At ten feet any size shot from a normal 12 gauge is almost like a slug it should stop the charge.

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from patrickharen wrote 41 weeks 16 hours ago

at 10 feet that shot has barely expanded its going kill it that close the wadding will be burried in its face

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from owenosker wrote 28 weeks 6 days ago

how hard is it to carry slugs? or a .45? or even pepper spray? but if thats all ya got with is a 12 gauge with bird shot, shoot it as many times as possible!

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