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The Pros & Cons of Survival Walkie Talkies

Two-way radios are stronger and less expensive. But are they worth the weight in your pack?

I hail from a generation who could do no more than shout to gain the attention of fellow sportsmen, and my first experience with two-way radios was far from encouraging. Through snowflakes I could make out my brother working down the opposite ridge less than 200 yards away, and I still couldn't raise him on the radio.

That was 15 years ago and this is now, and the power and range of two-way handhelds have steadily gone up while size and price have come down. Where I hunt, radio crackle is becoming as common as the jackhammer pounding of sapsuckers and three-toed woodpeckers. Conversations with several believers-including one hunter who became hypothermic in Colorado's Weminuche Wilderness but used his radio to talk himself out of the jam and join up with his brother-convinced me to take a second look. Or, more accurately, a second listen.

Today's radios have tons of options, like interference elimination, weather alerts, and so forth. None are crucial. An emergency button, which transmits an SOS signal and permits hands-free communication, is a good safety feature. Make sure to buy a set that operates on GMRS bands (1 to 5 watt), as well as the less powerful FRS bands (1⁄2 watt). To use the more potent channels, you're required to buy a five-year license ($75) through the FCC, an unenforceable regulation and one I'll bet no more than one in 100 radioheads obeys. Still, what would your mother tell you to do?

After a season of tuning in, which included several extended backpack elk hunts in Montana's Gravelly Range, I've reached a few conclusions.

The Bad News

The advertised transmission range ("up to 20 miles") on the three-pack of Motorola Talkabouts my hunting buddies and I used seemed about as far-fetched as Mitt Romney's claims of being your brother sportsman, because even the fine print, which fessed up to no more than 2 miles in broken country, proved optimistic. The fact is that when you're using handhelds, line of sight is everything. Put a ridge between hunters and communications go dead. Plus, the radio is another pound in the pack and, along with GPS and the locator beacon, one more electronic crutch that hunters can lean on to substitute for the sound legs of basic survival and navigational skills. Confidence should reside in your head, not be placed in satellites and airwaves.

The Good News

As long as my partners and I hunted the same basin, communications were adequately clear out to about 2 miles. By staying in touch, we knew one another's last locations should someone have failed to return to camp. Memorably, the radios came in handy the evening my nephew, Brandon, downed a 5-point bull and didn't make it to our backpack camp until midnight. If he hadn't reported the situation, I'd have been up feeding the fire and feeling pretty darned worried.

Which raises a point: By law, hunters aren't allowed to use radios to discuss strategy-not even to report the location of game. Were we on thin (legal) ice by discussing a kill? I don't know. What I do know is that using technology to gain an edge on game is a moral issue, regulations notwithstanding, and that overuse of radios can be just as bad as overreliance. I've hunted with men who talked the day away with radio earphones tucked in their aural canals. This begs the question: Do we come to the mountains to tune in to the sounds of nature, or to plug our ears and tune nature out? I'd rather hear birdsong than static when I hunt. But it's better to play it safe than leave communications behind when you take the fork of no return.   

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Keith McCafferty good article and subject to talk about 2 way communications.

Through snowflakes I could make out my brother working down the opposite ridge less than 200 yards away, and I still couldn't raise him on the radio.

Answer: Most probable cause is called TROPOSHPERIC DUCTING or BENDING. Picture this, as you enter a lake and dive down, you notice a few feet down a dramatic change in temperature and now imagine the atmosphere around you being the same, a cold layer and a warmer layer above or in reverse. As light is reflected by heat and cold waves in the air, so does your radio transmission being reflected by the deference in air temperature.

At Eielson AFB, we can see the maintenance truck on the other end of the flight line. Even with 50 watt radio’s we still could not raise them due to TROPOSHPERIC DUCTING. We had to setup a repeater on the other end to talk to our flight line maintenance.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

About troposhperic ducting, my hunting buddy and I were on relatively on flat terrain hunting rabbits. It was minus 37 degrees and I knew the truck could be seen but it looked like a shimmering lake ahead. As I bent down it was like looking into a deferent dimension. Now I could see the truck but the truck and everything under that shimmering lake was upside down!

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from 268bull wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

I've hunted 3 season's now carrying two-way's in my pack. I must admit that they are growing on me. It's my camp so I pretty much have written the rules. Don't call me every half hour wanting to know what I'm seeing. We can talk about that back in camp. Where we hunt is isolated and we have to ourselves. A rifle shot is either my hunting partner or me. Then we talk. We pre-arrange times to call and stick to them. My last bull was late in the day and I'm glad to have had the radio's to direct him to me with the meat/saw packs. Without the radio's I would never have had the bull skinned,quarted,and bagged by nightfall without getting my partner to me and helping. We were able to make camp that night without a bivouac in the timber thanks to the help of the two-way.

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from buck hunter 17 wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

man that is a really good article. i have never thought about how much a two way radio could help you if your in a situation that would normaly get every body else in a panic. i learned a lot from this artical thanks for writing it Keith McCafferty.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

How many times have you been setting there and things are starting to ripen up! You got out there in the freezing cold an hour before the butt crack of dawn and been on the stand all day and now there is only 30 minutes of daylight left and does a small buck start working around you and still waiting for that Big Buck to step out. Then all of a sudden two guys start playing Marco Polo yelling Hey I’m over here, did you see anything or start firing shots trying to locate the other group. Doesn’t that make your blood boil!!

As for using 2 ways for illegal use, the problem is very remote. I have the abilities to transmit and receive frequencies below and above the GMRS bands and FRS bands and into the Government and Ham bands and yes I do have an FCC License for those transceivers! And when you think you’re all alone on that radio, someone is listening!!!! They monitor with a oscilloscope that reads out the frequency in wide band and the instantly tune in, BUSTED!!

Having the ability to broadcast live and living colors with 50 watts and come up on Law Enforcement repeaters in case of emergency like I have in the past, I prefer my “SPOT”!

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from lloydwus wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

That line of sight comment is right on. I bought the "26 mile range" radios and an FCC license to use them but found they aren't much good from one drainage to the next regardless of the distance.

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from JohnR wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

I have used the GMRS portables (and I did get the $75 license; I'm on my second 5 years) and here on the coastal plains of NC they work OK but as been stated previously, far from the claims of the advertising. If I'm going remote, which means swamp here, I usually rely on my cell phone. Always check to insure you have a good signal first before relying on your cell. To keep from potentially spooking game I can set it to vibrate and if I have to call or talk to my buddy I can text him quietly. If I hunt a remote area that has no cell coverage, I always hunt with a buddy and will use the GMRS radio if necessary.

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from bertram wrote 2 years 38 weeks ago

our group has used FRS radios for several years.While hunting we usually leave them turned on at the lowest volume, ours have no beeper or call alert, if they did, they would be stomped into oblivion. We select a channel, call extremely rarely, and have decent range for where we hunt. Ridge tops are best, or from hollows in same drainage.

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from fsheperis42@gma... wrote 2 years 37 weeks ago

I started fishing for crappie two weeks ago. Used my old Lew`S speed stick lt. action, and I had a blast tossing Rebel and Rapala crankbaits... caught thirty four crappie keepers and threw back five largemouth..

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from Jack Brumbelow wrote 2 years 37 weeks ago

If you are in truly challenging environs, even the pound or so of a Sat phone is more than worthwhile. We even have two for survival/navigation for offshore cruising!

In the event of a massive telcom disruption, i.e. ice storm, they are more than a convenience as well. With the new SOS SAT beacons available to sailors these will become more of a convenient item for hunters.

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from rdbotimer wrote 2 years 17 weeks ago

Consider Amateur (HAM) Radio -
- Many hand-held, portable and mobile radio options.
- The license is less than $20 for 10 years, but each individual does have to license and take a fairly easy test for Technician class.

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from rossmorrone wrote 2 years 15 weeks ago

Where I hunt in the Allegheny Mountains in PA not only do you lose your transmission but your walkies starts to go crazy on the accidental call button push by anyone on your channel. I've had numerous instances when my walkie just went off and didn't want to stop, even though it was indeed turned on silent.

Ross

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from shermanator wrote 2 years 6 weeks ago

you know i never really thought of radios like that but i guess you learn something new everyday and did today thats for sure

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from Brian Phipps wrote 2 years 2 weeks ago

I used the garmin rino a couple years ago for work in northern saskatchewan exploration camps and they were able to communicate with others that were around 5 km away and also to the chopper when it was around 20 km away so you were able to let the pilot know your location. Another bonus is that they are also a gps so it so it combined the 2 items into 1

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from 1Shot2Kills wrote 1 year 44 weeks ago

"By law, hunters aren't allowed to use radios to discuss strategy-not even to report the location of game."

I write quite a few articles a year on update hunting regulations and have never seen this in any state's regulation. Any chance we can get a source on this claim?

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from Redbone wrote 1 year 30 weeks ago

I found the only way to use one for hunting is to have the ear piece in otherwise someone is going to come over at the wrong time and cost you a shot. I find there super helpful but our cell phones work in the area we hunt (unfortantly) but my cell phone a nextel blackberry has a phone text mesaging, a camera, a messanger service, a gps program, weather, internet access, and in an otter box is a pretty worthy piece of outdoor gear. I can also use it to send my location to my hunting buddies if I down a deer. Worked perfectly last hunting season. It was nice to see my buddy coming up over the hill after dark to help me drag out my buck.

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from doughesson wrote 1 year 21 weeks ago

Use 'em if you got 'em but remember to not call for help for something that isn't really an emergency.

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from whitefish wrote 1 year 16 weeks ago

i hate technology in the woods,, the modern hunter is getting softer evey year

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from ponder.peter wrote 1 year 16 weeks ago

I think that walkie talkies are often highly over rated, even the more expensive ones that you can get. i have been using motorola mobile phones and puish to talk, over using walkie talkies

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from Bass2Buck wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

How much does a good one cost?

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from 268bull wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

I've hunted 3 season's now carrying two-way's in my pack. I must admit that they are growing on me. It's my camp so I pretty much have written the rules. Don't call me every half hour wanting to know what I'm seeing. We can talk about that back in camp. Where we hunt is isolated and we have to ourselves. A rifle shot is either my hunting partner or me. Then we talk. We pre-arrange times to call and stick to them. My last bull was late in the day and I'm glad to have had the radio's to direct him to me with the meat/saw packs. Without the radio's I would never have had the bull skinned,quarted,and bagged by nightfall without getting my partner to me and helping. We were able to make camp that night without a bivouac in the timber thanks to the help of the two-way.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Keith McCafferty good article and subject to talk about 2 way communications.

Through snowflakes I could make out my brother working down the opposite ridge less than 200 yards away, and I still couldn't raise him on the radio.

Answer: Most probable cause is called TROPOSHPERIC DUCTING or BENDING. Picture this, as you enter a lake and dive down, you notice a few feet down a dramatic change in temperature and now imagine the atmosphere around you being the same, a cold layer and a warmer layer above or in reverse. As light is reflected by heat and cold waves in the air, so does your radio transmission being reflected by the deference in air temperature.

At Eielson AFB, we can see the maintenance truck on the other end of the flight line. Even with 50 watt radio’s we still could not raise them due to TROPOSHPERIC DUCTING. We had to setup a repeater on the other end to talk to our flight line maintenance.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

About troposhperic ducting, my hunting buddy and I were on relatively on flat terrain hunting rabbits. It was minus 37 degrees and I knew the truck could be seen but it looked like a shimmering lake ahead. As I bent down it was like looking into a deferent dimension. Now I could see the truck but the truck and everything under that shimmering lake was upside down!

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from buck hunter 17 wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

man that is a really good article. i have never thought about how much a two way radio could help you if your in a situation that would normaly get every body else in a panic. i learned a lot from this artical thanks for writing it Keith McCafferty.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

How many times have you been setting there and things are starting to ripen up! You got out there in the freezing cold an hour before the butt crack of dawn and been on the stand all day and now there is only 30 minutes of daylight left and does a small buck start working around you and still waiting for that Big Buck to step out. Then all of a sudden two guys start playing Marco Polo yelling Hey I’m over here, did you see anything or start firing shots trying to locate the other group. Doesn’t that make your blood boil!!

As for using 2 ways for illegal use, the problem is very remote. I have the abilities to transmit and receive frequencies below and above the GMRS bands and FRS bands and into the Government and Ham bands and yes I do have an FCC License for those transceivers! And when you think you’re all alone on that radio, someone is listening!!!! They monitor with a oscilloscope that reads out the frequency in wide band and the instantly tune in, BUSTED!!

Having the ability to broadcast live and living colors with 50 watts and come up on Law Enforcement repeaters in case of emergency like I have in the past, I prefer my “SPOT”!

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from lloydwus wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

That line of sight comment is right on. I bought the "26 mile range" radios and an FCC license to use them but found they aren't much good from one drainage to the next regardless of the distance.

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from JohnR wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

I have used the GMRS portables (and I did get the $75 license; I'm on my second 5 years) and here on the coastal plains of NC they work OK but as been stated previously, far from the claims of the advertising. If I'm going remote, which means swamp here, I usually rely on my cell phone. Always check to insure you have a good signal first before relying on your cell. To keep from potentially spooking game I can set it to vibrate and if I have to call or talk to my buddy I can text him quietly. If I hunt a remote area that has no cell coverage, I always hunt with a buddy and will use the GMRS radio if necessary.

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from bertram wrote 2 years 38 weeks ago

our group has used FRS radios for several years.While hunting we usually leave them turned on at the lowest volume, ours have no beeper or call alert, if they did, they would be stomped into oblivion. We select a channel, call extremely rarely, and have decent range for where we hunt. Ridge tops are best, or from hollows in same drainage.

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from fsheperis42@gma... wrote 2 years 37 weeks ago

I started fishing for crappie two weeks ago. Used my old Lew`S speed stick lt. action, and I had a blast tossing Rebel and Rapala crankbaits... caught thirty four crappie keepers and threw back five largemouth..

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Jack Brumbelow wrote 2 years 37 weeks ago

If you are in truly challenging environs, even the pound or so of a Sat phone is more than worthwhile. We even have two for survival/navigation for offshore cruising!

In the event of a massive telcom disruption, i.e. ice storm, they are more than a convenience as well. With the new SOS SAT beacons available to sailors these will become more of a convenient item for hunters.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from 1Shot2Kills wrote 1 year 44 weeks ago

"By law, hunters aren't allowed to use radios to discuss strategy-not even to report the location of game."

I write quite a few articles a year on update hunting regulations and have never seen this in any state's regulation. Any chance we can get a source on this claim?

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Redbone wrote 1 year 30 weeks ago

I found the only way to use one for hunting is to have the ear piece in otherwise someone is going to come over at the wrong time and cost you a shot. I find there super helpful but our cell phones work in the area we hunt (unfortantly) but my cell phone a nextel blackberry has a phone text mesaging, a camera, a messanger service, a gps program, weather, internet access, and in an otter box is a pretty worthy piece of outdoor gear. I can also use it to send my location to my hunting buddies if I down a deer. Worked perfectly last hunting season. It was nice to see my buddy coming up over the hill after dark to help me drag out my buck.

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from Bass2Buck wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

How much does a good one cost?

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from rdbotimer wrote 2 years 17 weeks ago

Consider Amateur (HAM) Radio -
- Many hand-held, portable and mobile radio options.
- The license is less than $20 for 10 years, but each individual does have to license and take a fairly easy test for Technician class.

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from rossmorrone wrote 2 years 15 weeks ago

Where I hunt in the Allegheny Mountains in PA not only do you lose your transmission but your walkies starts to go crazy on the accidental call button push by anyone on your channel. I've had numerous instances when my walkie just went off and didn't want to stop, even though it was indeed turned on silent.

Ross

-----
visit WWW.NOROP.COM The Search Engine for Hunters.

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from shermanator wrote 2 years 6 weeks ago

you know i never really thought of radios like that but i guess you learn something new everyday and did today thats for sure

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from Brian Phipps wrote 2 years 2 weeks ago

I used the garmin rino a couple years ago for work in northern saskatchewan exploration camps and they were able to communicate with others that were around 5 km away and also to the chopper when it was around 20 km away so you were able to let the pilot know your location. Another bonus is that they are also a gps so it so it combined the 2 items into 1

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from doughesson wrote 1 year 21 weeks ago

Use 'em if you got 'em but remember to not call for help for something that isn't really an emergency.

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from whitefish wrote 1 year 16 weeks ago

i hate technology in the woods,, the modern hunter is getting softer evey year

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from ponder.peter wrote 1 year 16 weeks ago

I think that walkie talkies are often highly over rated, even the more expensive ones that you can get. i have been using motorola mobile phones and puish to talk, over using walkie talkies

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