Eventually these will be found to cause some sort of harm and we'll probably go back to lead...

Ironic. "Does this lead your barrel?" I suppose we have to come up with another word for that now.

The burning of the powder in ammo creates gases that lead to global warming....will we face a carbon tax on ammo in the future as well...maybe ammo loaded with hydrogen as a propellant, hemp woven cases and soy beans for bullets...that would be a wonderful world wouldn't it...we could all dance in circles, full of joy in our sunshine and lollipop world of enlightenment.....Lead bullets are fine, but any excuse to make new bullets and move the industry foward is fine with me, just hate the reasons for having to do some of it....

this going to continue until two steppers in oklahoma cause a massive earthquake in califonia, causing it to slide into the ocean with Sir-i can barely speak english or even look at my butt ugly wife- swartz! when california farts it ripples all the way to new york!

Technology is fine, but will it jack up the cost of shooting? of course- that is the primary reason for the lead ban, to discourage hunting(by making it too expensive for the average Joe) leading to the decline of gun ownership and then the Second Amendment is gone.

I can't say either way whether the amount of lead used in varmint shooting does or doesn't have any sort of environmental impact. However, I hope you meant your statement "We get lead from the ground and we return it to the ground, albeit at very high speeds, so BFD." in jest.

Yes, lead comes from the ground. We also get petroleum from the ground; that doesn't mean it is in any way okay for to pour your used motor oil on your front lawn after an oil change. If you disagree with me, I recommend you try it for awhile and see how it works out...

I just don't cotton to the idea of shooting something other than a piece of lead at a yote. Give me Winchester ballistic tips any day and throw "green bullets" in the trash.

I tell'ya my Fellow Rackaloids, there trying to get us! Just think how a solid copper bullet can be misconstrued into a Cop Killing Bullet!! They convert us all to solid copper then what!!

YUP,..
"WE GET LEAD FROM THE GROUND, AND WE RETURN IT, ALBEIT AT VERY HIGH SPEEDS,.. SO BFD,..YUK YUK

I LIKE IT PETZAL ,..SOUNDS LIKE A ,MILTANT VERSION OF A HELEN READY SONG BUT i LIKE IT ,.. YUK YUK
FOR THE YOUNGUNS,.. HELEN READY WAS A RATHTER COMLEY ENGLISH WENCH,.. WHO A HAD A HIT OR TWO IN THE 70'S
NOTHING SPECTACULAR IN TEHY WAT OF FIGURE M, BUR A REASONABLE SONGSTRESS FOR THE TIME .
PLUS FRIEND OF MINE SAUD SHE WAS DOABLLE,..

THAT WITH THE UNDERLYUING IRREVERENCE AND DISSRESPECT DIRECTED AT THE TERMINAL,INBREADS ( OR HIGHLY INTELLEEGENT SUBVERSIVE) LOW LIFE SCUM SUCCING DIP-WADS WHO SPAWN THIS LUNACY INTNEDING TO CURTIAL SHOOTING AND HUNTING RECOGNIZED .
,, I JUST F^^@IN LIKE IT YUK YUK

SOME ONE SHOW ME STATISTICALLY UNEQUIVICALLY WITHOUT BIAS (GOOD LUCK) WHAT SIGNIFICANT AFFEST
WE OR PETZAL HAVE SLINGING A FEW 150 GRAIN SLUGS OR A FEW 325 GRAIN 45-70'S AFTER THE BACK STRAPS THAT I SO COVET (SP)
AND I'LL QUIT SGOOTING LEAD ,.
SUNSEQUENTLY STARTING TO HUNT WITH A SUPERSOMIC HI
INTENSITY ATLATL.
BUT
G D IT !!! IM GETTING SICK OF ALL THIS,. BS.
MAYBE TIME TO ORGANIZE A BUNCH WITH SOME NADS AND TEETH,.. RATHER THAN JUST GUMMING IT TO DEATH

Are the lead-free ones better or worse for the sake of your gun barrel?

Going GREEN seems to give the phrase "Get the lead out of your *ss" a new meaning!
I'm with Dave; I don't think lead just doesn't have the impact on the enviornment as we are made to believe.
As for the new material being used; these bullets seem to be kicking things up a notch for the better.It seems they CLEAN the barrel better leaving very little residue.

This is a fascinating article in wikipedia. The online encyclopedia. Lead is used so much, it seems we'll run out of it in a mere 42 years...no kidding. Read this and see for yourself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead
I think Dave's right on the lead hype. There's more money to be made on it by selling it to other countries than using it in our lowly projectiles....food for thought eh?

Hope all the outdoor crappers at all the deer and elk camps in this good old country aren't banned because of the gases and other things set free in the atmosphere are causing the ozone layer to disappear, because, if they do, we will be stuck with the cost of building a large plastic dome over the capital bldg. in Washington DC.

I'll bet Al Gore has figured out a way to make money from this.
Lead is harmful? So are the @@##@@#!!!!#@! ideas coming out of Washington these days.
Lead free zone, alcohol free zone, firearm free zone, etc.
How about a corrupt politician free zone?
Gimme a break.

well, i have to agree with you about lead really not being a prolem. it is a politiacal hot topic so it gets lots of attention. i suppose, in the right enviroment, and exposed in the right way, then yes, it is poisonous. but so are many, many other things and we get along just fine with them. the big problem is that so called "experts" have convinced nim-whitted polaticians that it is the poison to end all poisons, and it is being thrown around all over the world like childrens marbles. am i careful around it when i am melting it? yes. do i limit my childrens exposure to it? yes. but that is about the extent of what needs to be done to protect us from this evil concoction. the morons out in kalifonia will believe anything. and pass laws against any percieved threat, real or imagined. what they really do not realize, is that every law, is a restriction on peoples freedoms. our government wants to do nothing more than take away as many of our freedoms as possible, so they can "control" us. pretty soon, we will all be without much in the way of any personal freedoms. i can not believe that people in general can not see where this is all headed. as for solid alloy bullets without lead, i have nothing against them. we have been using them in dangerous game for years, and i see no problem with them, except for the price tag. would i skimp on a bullet saving me from a rihno or lion, NO STINKING WAY! but, would i pay a bunch of extra coin to blow away rodents, NOT LIKELY! in the pursuit of hunting north american big game, i really do not see the need, but if one bullet was proven to be far superior to any other lead cored bullet, and the price was reasonable, then yes, i would use it. but, at this point, the old tried and true lead cored hunting bullets are pretty hard to beat.

auto emissions have got to cause about a zillion times more harm to the environment than lead bullets. when will they ban cars?

I got about 75 lbs of lead laying around, if they want it they can have it about 220 grains at a time.

I look at it like Dave, it came out of the ground and for the most part it is getting put back in the ground, isn't that perfect re-cycling?

MLH, the varmint didn't die of "copper poisoning", it was a severe allergic reaction to copper that it was suddenly exposed to. What can you do?

I know that seeing lead free bullets with an inflated price tag has been the norm for a while now, and most of us have had the choice not to buy them. Fair enough, but what happens when you have to buy them? What happens when you aren't offered a choice?

That's the question that we were faced with as a manufacturer by thousands of loyal customers when California passed legislation banning lead in condor regions of the state. As a responsible company with a strong following, it was our responsibility to give our customer (and maybe some new customers) a choice. Bob Nosler made it very clear that not only should these bullets adhere to the strict standards as our other products but they should also be affordable. Why should responsible hunters be punished simply because they followed the law?

That's exactly why our Ballistic Tip Lead Free bullets that Dave tested are the exact same price as our standard Ballistic Tip bullets and our E-Tip bullets for big game are slightly less than our Partition bullets.