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November 11, 2009

Worth the Recoil? Remington’s New HyperSonic High Speed Steel Shotgun Loads

By Philip Bourjaily

Later this year, Remington will offer the heaviest, fastest steel loads yet made. The new HyperSonics will containing 1 1/8, 1 ¼ and 1 3/8 ounce loads launched at a screaming 1700 fps. (I know, for you rifle guys, 1700 fps is plodding. In a shotgun, 1700 fps is off the speedometer). The nearest competitor in the speed derby is Kent, whose Fasteel clocks in at 1625, but with lighter payloads.

The technology behind the HyperSonics is ingenious. A new wad called the Turbo Jet (see picture) makes it possible for ......  Remington to put so much shot at such high velocity in a shell without reaching dangerous chamber pressures. A hollow stem running from the bottom of the shotcup to the primer holds a small powder charge; the main charge surrounds it. Upon ignition, the first charge starts the wad and shot down the muzzle. Then, the second charge ignites in the larger space. The increased volume behind the wad allows the remainder of the powder to burn without creating excessive pressure. The result is a shell capable of launching more shot faster than any other I am aware of.

The shotcup is actually self-slitting. It starts out as one piece, to keep the shot together and pattern tighter (like Federal’s Black Cloud) then the “stress concentrators” on the sides cut the shotcup into petals, releasing the pellets.

All of this speed and technology will give you:
1. 16% greater pellet energy.
2. Leads reduced by 8 inches on 40 yard crossing shots.
3. A recoil headache. The 1 ¼ ounce Hypersonics will generate almost 50% more recoil than a “standard” 1450 fps 1 ¼ ounce high velocity steel load.

High velocity steel does seem to work even better in the field than it does on paper* but my gut reaction to HyperSonics is, the extra recoil isn’t worth the extra killing power and shorter leads. Of course, I am easily bruised. So, is it worth it? You tell me.

*I wouldn’t say the same about lead, and I think the current trend to 1450-1500 fps lead loads is silly.

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from buckstopper wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Most of us practice with light loads. Does anyone else have trouble adjusting leads in the field when actually using high velocity loads? Years ago high velocity was 1300fps. I "upgraded" to a 3 1/2" 12ga last year (1550fps)and wasted quite a few shots before I figured the correct lead, which ended up not being much of one after all. I hunted in flooded timber and the recoil kept knocking my hat in the water..LOL. I would think these hyper-velocity rounds would be for the young and dumb. To us more "seasoned" hunters the extra recoil is not worth it.

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from SD Bob wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Unless this stuff is extremely expensive, it will sell by the truck. Working behind a gun/bow counter has taught me that when speed is increased, so do sales.

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from KJ wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I agree with both buckstopper and SD Bob - the extra recoil isn't worth it, and it will sell well, at least for awhile. The reduced leads and tighter patterns will require practice, and practicing with heavier recoil isn't going to be fun. I believe I'll pass on these.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Speed kills...and Speed Sells!

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from MLH wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

This is ingenious - reminds me of a multi-stage rocket or a rolling start for a street rod. A step above harnessing a hot primer. I have to wonder about other firearm applications, perhaps even with muzzleloader sabots.

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from HogBlog wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Stay Tuned, though, as Winderal (a top secret, joint operation between Olin and Federal) will come right behind with the 12ga Short Mag, a 2 3/4" shell that actually scatters high-intensity light beams at warp velocities so that all you really have to do is think about the bird and shoot your gun, and you'll blink to find him fully plucked, roasted, and ready for serving.

Reduced lead? Bah! You don't even need to point the gun! Environmental concerns? Nothing to be worried about. Light is completely biodegradable and non-toxic, and the waste products produced are nominal. Feathers, bones, and unwanted guts are vaporized, drifting down in a fine, fertilizing mist. The meat itself is as healthy as you could ever ask, cooked in its own juices at high speed. No fat, no additives, no nothing but tasty, delicious duck!

Coming soon, to a mega-sporting goods store near you.

(These statements have not been evaluated by anyone, including the writer. It's all made up on the fly, and stupid as hell... just about as pointless as switching to yet another kind of shotshell when all it takes to kill birds is patience and practice.)

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from ejunk wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

We seem to have two tracks in waterfowl shotgunning: higher density loads (bismuth, et al - high cost) versus faster loads (steel, - low cost). I ASSUME this stuff will be more expensive than some other steel, but still in the "cheap" category when compared to those loads designed to mimic lead's density. For that reason, I think it will sell - but I doubt I'll be buying unless someone really, definitively demonstrates to me, in person, that all that extra speed and recoil is actually that much more deadly on waterfowl.

I'm not a shooting expert by any means, but as far as I can tell, more speed does not equal more effective - at least not to the same degree that higher density equals more effective - and pattern probably trumps BOTH of these things.

the first company that comes out with a non-toxic load with a density comparable to lead that shoots at satisfactory velocities (1350+, I guess?) and costs no more than, say, $1 a shell, will win the market.

for those who aren't familiar, kent faststeel is about 50 cents per shell and hevi-shot is a whopping 2 bucks per shell. give or take, of course.

yrs-
Evan!

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from focusfront wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

As a proof of concept, this technology is pretty cool. It would seem to me that if you could adapt Hypersonics to slugs, you'd get near elephant rifle ballistics from your old 870.

On the other hand, it would seem to me that putting hyper velocity on steel is a waste. Steel is too light and loses too much velocity. The clay pigeon boys won't shoot it if it is too expensive and kicks too hard. If you could put the spurs to 1 3/8 oz. of lead or HeaviShot on the other hand, you might have yourself a 75 yard turkey gun.

One exception. Many years ago I tried my hand at Chuckar Partridge. Those little birds made me look like a fool. They take off right out from under your feet like they're shot out of a cannon, and you have a miserable time catching up to them. A fast heavy load with a fairly open choke for a bigger pattern at about 25-30 yards would be just the ticket for those.

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from jjas wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

A standard one ounce load @ 1300 fps generates approximately 1640 ft lbs of energy @ the muzzle.

Remington's new 1 3/8 ounce load @ 1700 fps generates approximately 4550 ft lbs of energy @ the muzzle.

That's nearly a 3,000 ft lbs of energy increase. I like my shoulder intact and my retinas attached, thus I do believe I'll pass.

As was stated earlier, it'll sell for a while. The recoil junkies will swear by it, everyone else will swear about it.

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from Mjenkins1 wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Yes it will sell, but its not at all worth it in my book. I mean which of those advantages do you really need?? none of them

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from mihunter wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

just another marketing hype-up...you dont need that

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from PbHead wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

It will sell, for awhile. The problem is that we have one generation of waterfowlers now who have used nothing but steel or other nontoxics. They still have to listen to the old timers and the ones who hunt Argentina or Mexico rave about how a load of 1 1/4oz lead 5s not only knocks ducks down at 45 yards but it kills them without three follow up shots steel often requires. That is why we are looking for something "better and faster."

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from Walt Smith wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Compared to the shells we have now, will it kill anything any deader??

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from JD wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Next they will introduce HyperSonic High Speed Reduced Recoil Shotshells, downloaded for those recoil sensitive; in other words the regular steel shotshells with a new ID. Get another buck fifty a box probably,lol.

Seriously, I don't want or need these Hyper Super Dooper shells, and the problems they create. Has nuthin' to do with being a tough guy, I just want to be recognized as a good hunter. Bruises smart, don't make you smart!

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from JCB wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I would be curious as to the actual recoil. It would seem to me that conventional ballistics might not apply with this two stage send off of the payload. With the initial low power charge starting it on its way and then a long slow burning powder it might end up being more of a long heavy push. Additionally in a gas operated auto it may not be all that bad.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Shooting 3 1/2 12's are bad enough. I wonder if the firearm parts and stocks on the market will hold up with the additional recoil. Going to be hell just aft of the receiver where the rear stock mounts into the receiver!! I bet the price tag is going to show how proud they are in this load too!

I'm surprised since they came out with the 30 Remington AR shooting 125 grain bullets performing like a 308 at 2275 fps (Will somebody explain that one to me)they would have come out with a 125 grain loading for the 308 Win, 30-06 and he 300 Mags. 30-06 will thump a 125 out around 3300 fps!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

By the way, speaking about Remington, did you know the Remington Bronze Point is the first and original Ballistic Tip!

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from coho310 wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

So,for 3 times as much money,we get a shell that knocks you over and yet it kills just as dead as an ordinary shell does,but the time from the muzzle to the to the deer is considerably (a few milliseconds) quicker.

It's a best-seller!!(this week).

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from crm3006 wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Nope- Don't need it.

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from philbourjaily wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I should have mentioned the price on these: MSRP of 26.99 for 1 1/8, 27.99 for 1 1/4 (both 3-inch) and 36.99 for the 3 1/2s. They will probably sell for less at the store.
JCB: that's an interesting point about the recoil sensation possibly being spread out.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

If I was going to shoot one of these shells it would have to be from that boat/gun you just had a post on. 3" is my limit I like to enjoy hunting.

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from jordjohn44 wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I don't mind recoil till it knocks me on my A##. If it helps bring it on.

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from jordjohn44 wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I also agree completely with SD Bob. Same experience behind the gun counter. Whenever something newer and faster comes in, we can't keep them there.

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from semp wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

Ahhh, just equip your decoys with remotely detonated Claymores under the staboard wing. Place them in a circle as if swimming clockwise with some live ducks loosely foot tethered to the bottom swimming in the middle. Have a coffee and wait for dinner to arrive. Last point ... be sure your waiting point is a subterainian blind at least 150m from the site of ambush.
Happy Plucking :-D

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from Zermoid wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

I wonder how safe those shells are?
What if one misfires and both charges go off at once???

Other thought is I wonder how well the double charge will cycle auto shotguns?

Personally I'm still waiting for the phaser to be developed, no recoil, and perfect safety, you hunt with the stun setting, which then gives you time to measure and assess your trophy. If you wanna keep it turn it up to kill it and zap it again. Can also be used to cook the critter right then and there.
And it would eliminate "friendly fire" type mistakes in the field, at least it would make them non-lethal anyway.
And just think, no bullet drop to compensate for, no lead to worry about some fool banning, and no hearing loss from rifle report.

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from jersey pig wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

as a long time deer and upland hunter in a shotgun only state i have recently forayed out into duck hunting and while being used to heavier recoil 3 inch shells are my limit and anything with shoulder bruising tooth rattling recoil is just not fun to shoot. and bottom line is i am out to have fun. so far i'll stick with my black cloud #4's.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

Clay

Right on target, man! Just another gimmick. That 30 AR from Remington still gets me too. It guess it does perform at the muzzle like a .308 does at 350 yards! The marketeers never cease to amaze me.

My buddy has cracked the forearm off his Mossturd 3 1/2 inch pump twice already. I'm not sure if that is recoil induced or just pi$$ poor quality. I'll bet the Hypersonics play hell with some of the autoloaders that already don't digest light or hot loads very well. I shoot too much to pay $30 a box for steel shot loads. I kill 'em with $12.99 Federal and Kent steel just as dead.

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from Jere Smith wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

I am with the Majority here, Don't need or want it!

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from JOHN ANDERSON wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

"HYPE HYPE" AND AWAY!!!

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from Mike Diehl wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

They misnamed it. Should be "Oberhyped High Speed." Anyhow, from my friend the missile man, hypersonic is something like Mach 6+, which these shells won't do. I sense a lawsuit coming.

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from oldboot wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

Needing to redo the fillings in my teeth for waterfowl? Doesn't sound right to me. I would rather keep the use of my right shoulder.

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from O Garcia wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

I think Jim Carmichel described a similar idea to make a superfast rifle load back in his younger days. He decided not to go on with it, and then mentioned something about God watching over fools. And infants. Whatever. Jim's recipe required three layers of propellant, slowest powder near the base of bullet, progressively faster burning as you move towards the primer. The only problem he had back then was a way to ignite the slower powder ahead of the other two, as it is the one farthest from the primer. Remington's solution (above) is a tube. I was thinking maybe a stick of cordite to serve as fuse, but I'm not really aware of its rate of burn. Anyway, God really watches over fools like me.

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from Mock1 wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

I never notice the recoil when I'm hunting w/ 3 1/2's but I can definately feel it when I'm shooting clays. Besides, when your in the field you usaally have a coat on.

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from focusfront wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

jjas:

Sorry it took so long to get back to you. Thank you for calculating muzzle energies of the new load. If Remington would put an aerodynamic, appropriately constructed 500 grain slug in a sabot and load with this tech, a 3 1/2" 12 ga. shotgun would be an elephant gun. 4550 foot-pounds equals or beats most loads from the .375 H & H, .404 Jeffery, .450/400 Nitro Express, etc. and is only a hands breadth behind the .458 Win Mag. So as proof of concept, this is good.

But of course it would kick like an elephant gun. Imagine firing an elephant gun from a layout goose blind? The kick would drive you into the muck like a tent peg.

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from ejunk wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

phil, were those prices for 10 or 25 shells?

yrs-
Evan!

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from elmer f. wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

VERY INTERISTING! it will be intersting to see if they can mass produce this without quality trouble. it looks to me that if there is a slip up in assembling the load, there is a possibility of all of the powder going off at the same time, which would be disasterous. i sincerely hope this NEVER happens! aside from that, i like the idea, except for the extra recoil end of it. but i guess it is like anything else, if you want to play, you have to pay. i would imagine that this will be met with some sceptisisim. i think everyone will like the extra power. this is america, bigger (more power) is ALWAYS better! but, i cant see many being excited about the extra recoil. this may be one of those things that is ahead of its time. now, if the introduced a new shotgun to go along with it, that has a mechanical anti-recoil mechanism built in. then, they might set the world on fire.

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from hengst wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

Well I'm game. I am sure curiosity will get the best of me and many others here regardless of what is said now. Besides free health care is on the way for the ortho, dentist and eye doctors to fix the gamage.
Curiosity killed the cat and trashed the shoulder.

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from lwolford wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

I like the idea for slugs. Maybe if they put in a lightweight slug like Hornady does for the SST (300 gr. I think) the recoil would be more than manageable. Then again, with a lightweight slug, you may not have the pressure problems if you just use a single charge. I'm not sure the proportion of bullet weight to pressure.

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from lwolford wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

I looked at some slugs that I have on hand. Brenneke KO 2 3/4 inch slugs have a velocity of 1,600 fps with 2,491 ft/lbs for a 1 oz load. Hornady's SST uses a saboted Muzzle loader bullet at 2,000 fps and 2,664 ft/lbs for a 300 gr load. I guess for shotguns, slugs have already reached "hypervelocity."

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from Ned S wrote 1 year 38 weeks ago

I have been shooting 1700-1800 fps reloads for 4 yrs. This year will be the 5th year. My kill ratio went to 1 1/2 shells per bird on dove, pheasant, ducks and geese. 7/8 oz of steel B's at 1724 fps snockers Lessers over decoys. At 4000 ft and 32F this load will penetrate to kill to 73 yds. With my 935/Mod choke I get 90% patterns at 40 yds and 96% with the full choke. I kill to 50 yds before losing killing pattern density with the Mod choke. Yes indeed, speed kills. Congrats to Rem for doing something right. Ned S the young 81 yr old.

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from Montana Test wrote 1 year 19 weeks ago

Have taken a shell apart and have picture of wad at Montana Test. Will test this coming Saturday on ducks and geese. Will let you know what I find.

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from toeup wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

does not kick anymore than the 3in lead mags i use to use.if your shoulder can not take the lick,and your wallet can not take the hit, take up ping pong.works very well on long geese and coyotes.i will use 2.75 steel for most of our waterfowl season,and switch when they start getting smart.

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from buckstopper wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Most of us practice with light loads. Does anyone else have trouble adjusting leads in the field when actually using high velocity loads? Years ago high velocity was 1300fps. I "upgraded" to a 3 1/2" 12ga last year (1550fps)and wasted quite a few shots before I figured the correct lead, which ended up not being much of one after all. I hunted in flooded timber and the recoil kept knocking my hat in the water..LOL. I would think these hyper-velocity rounds would be for the young and dumb. To us more "seasoned" hunters the extra recoil is not worth it.

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from HogBlog wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Stay Tuned, though, as Winderal (a top secret, joint operation between Olin and Federal) will come right behind with the 12ga Short Mag, a 2 3/4" shell that actually scatters high-intensity light beams at warp velocities so that all you really have to do is think about the bird and shoot your gun, and you'll blink to find him fully plucked, roasted, and ready for serving.

Reduced lead? Bah! You don't even need to point the gun! Environmental concerns? Nothing to be worried about. Light is completely biodegradable and non-toxic, and the waste products produced are nominal. Feathers, bones, and unwanted guts are vaporized, drifting down in a fine, fertilizing mist. The meat itself is as healthy as you could ever ask, cooked in its own juices at high speed. No fat, no additives, no nothing but tasty, delicious duck!

Coming soon, to a mega-sporting goods store near you.

(These statements have not been evaluated by anyone, including the writer. It's all made up on the fly, and stupid as hell... just about as pointless as switching to yet another kind of shotshell when all it takes to kill birds is patience and practice.)

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Speed kills...and Speed Sells!

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from SD Bob wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Unless this stuff is extremely expensive, it will sell by the truck. Working behind a gun/bow counter has taught me that when speed is increased, so do sales.

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from Walt Smith wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Compared to the shells we have now, will it kill anything any deader??

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from crm3006 wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Nope- Don't need it.

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from KJ wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I agree with both buckstopper and SD Bob - the extra recoil isn't worth it, and it will sell well, at least for awhile. The reduced leads and tighter patterns will require practice, and practicing with heavier recoil isn't going to be fun. I believe I'll pass on these.

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from MLH wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

This is ingenious - reminds me of a multi-stage rocket or a rolling start for a street rod. A step above harnessing a hot primer. I have to wonder about other firearm applications, perhaps even with muzzleloader sabots.

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from focusfront wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

As a proof of concept, this technology is pretty cool. It would seem to me that if you could adapt Hypersonics to slugs, you'd get near elephant rifle ballistics from your old 870.

On the other hand, it would seem to me that putting hyper velocity on steel is a waste. Steel is too light and loses too much velocity. The clay pigeon boys won't shoot it if it is too expensive and kicks too hard. If you could put the spurs to 1 3/8 oz. of lead or HeaviShot on the other hand, you might have yourself a 75 yard turkey gun.

One exception. Many years ago I tried my hand at Chuckar Partridge. Those little birds made me look like a fool. They take off right out from under your feet like they're shot out of a cannon, and you have a miserable time catching up to them. A fast heavy load with a fairly open choke for a bigger pattern at about 25-30 yards would be just the ticket for those.

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from jjas wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

A standard one ounce load @ 1300 fps generates approximately 1640 ft lbs of energy @ the muzzle.

Remington's new 1 3/8 ounce load @ 1700 fps generates approximately 4550 ft lbs of energy @ the muzzle.

That's nearly a 3,000 ft lbs of energy increase. I like my shoulder intact and my retinas attached, thus I do believe I'll pass.

As was stated earlier, it'll sell for a while. The recoil junkies will swear by it, everyone else will swear about it.

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from Mjenkins1 wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Yes it will sell, but its not at all worth it in my book. I mean which of those advantages do you really need?? none of them

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from mihunter wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

just another marketing hype-up...you dont need that

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from PbHead wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

It will sell, for awhile. The problem is that we have one generation of waterfowlers now who have used nothing but steel or other nontoxics. They still have to listen to the old timers and the ones who hunt Argentina or Mexico rave about how a load of 1 1/4oz lead 5s not only knocks ducks down at 45 yards but it kills them without three follow up shots steel often requires. That is why we are looking for something "better and faster."

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from JD wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Next they will introduce HyperSonic High Speed Reduced Recoil Shotshells, downloaded for those recoil sensitive; in other words the regular steel shotshells with a new ID. Get another buck fifty a box probably,lol.

Seriously, I don't want or need these Hyper Super Dooper shells, and the problems they create. Has nuthin' to do with being a tough guy, I just want to be recognized as a good hunter. Bruises smart, don't make you smart!

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from JCB wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I would be curious as to the actual recoil. It would seem to me that conventional ballistics might not apply with this two stage send off of the payload. With the initial low power charge starting it on its way and then a long slow burning powder it might end up being more of a long heavy push. Additionally in a gas operated auto it may not be all that bad.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Shooting 3 1/2 12's are bad enough. I wonder if the firearm parts and stocks on the market will hold up with the additional recoil. Going to be hell just aft of the receiver where the rear stock mounts into the receiver!! I bet the price tag is going to show how proud they are in this load too!

I'm surprised since they came out with the 30 Remington AR shooting 125 grain bullets performing like a 308 at 2275 fps (Will somebody explain that one to me)they would have come out with a 125 grain loading for the 308 Win, 30-06 and he 300 Mags. 30-06 will thump a 125 out around 3300 fps!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

By the way, speaking about Remington, did you know the Remington Bronze Point is the first and original Ballistic Tip!

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from coho310 wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

So,for 3 times as much money,we get a shell that knocks you over and yet it kills just as dead as an ordinary shell does,but the time from the muzzle to the to the deer is considerably (a few milliseconds) quicker.

It's a best-seller!!(this week).

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from philbourjaily wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I should have mentioned the price on these: MSRP of 26.99 for 1 1/8, 27.99 for 1 1/4 (both 3-inch) and 36.99 for the 3 1/2s. They will probably sell for less at the store.
JCB: that's an interesting point about the recoil sensation possibly being spread out.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

If I was going to shoot one of these shells it would have to be from that boat/gun you just had a post on. 3" is my limit I like to enjoy hunting.

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from jordjohn44 wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I don't mind recoil till it knocks me on my A##. If it helps bring it on.

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from jordjohn44 wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I also agree completely with SD Bob. Same experience behind the gun counter. Whenever something newer and faster comes in, we can't keep them there.

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from jersey pig wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

as a long time deer and upland hunter in a shotgun only state i have recently forayed out into duck hunting and while being used to heavier recoil 3 inch shells are my limit and anything with shoulder bruising tooth rattling recoil is just not fun to shoot. and bottom line is i am out to have fun. so far i'll stick with my black cloud #4's.

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from ejunk wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

We seem to have two tracks in waterfowl shotgunning: higher density loads (bismuth, et al - high cost) versus faster loads (steel, - low cost). I ASSUME this stuff will be more expensive than some other steel, but still in the "cheap" category when compared to those loads designed to mimic lead's density. For that reason, I think it will sell - but I doubt I'll be buying unless someone really, definitively demonstrates to me, in person, that all that extra speed and recoil is actually that much more deadly on waterfowl.

I'm not a shooting expert by any means, but as far as I can tell, more speed does not equal more effective - at least not to the same degree that higher density equals more effective - and pattern probably trumps BOTH of these things.

the first company that comes out with a non-toxic load with a density comparable to lead that shoots at satisfactory velocities (1350+, I guess?) and costs no more than, say, $1 a shell, will win the market.

for those who aren't familiar, kent faststeel is about 50 cents per shell and hevi-shot is a whopping 2 bucks per shell. give or take, of course.

yrs-
Evan!

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from semp wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

Ahhh, just equip your decoys with remotely detonated Claymores under the staboard wing. Place them in a circle as if swimming clockwise with some live ducks loosely foot tethered to the bottom swimming in the middle. Have a coffee and wait for dinner to arrive. Last point ... be sure your waiting point is a subterainian blind at least 150m from the site of ambush.
Happy Plucking :-D

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from Zermoid wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

I wonder how safe those shells are?
What if one misfires and both charges go off at once???

Other thought is I wonder how well the double charge will cycle auto shotguns?

Personally I'm still waiting for the phaser to be developed, no recoil, and perfect safety, you hunt with the stun setting, which then gives you time to measure and assess your trophy. If you wanna keep it turn it up to kill it and zap it again. Can also be used to cook the critter right then and there.
And it would eliminate "friendly fire" type mistakes in the field, at least it would make them non-lethal anyway.
And just think, no bullet drop to compensate for, no lead to worry about some fool banning, and no hearing loss from rifle report.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

Clay

Right on target, man! Just another gimmick. That 30 AR from Remington still gets me too. It guess it does perform at the muzzle like a .308 does at 350 yards! The marketeers never cease to amaze me.

My buddy has cracked the forearm off his Mossturd 3 1/2 inch pump twice already. I'm not sure if that is recoil induced or just pi$$ poor quality. I'll bet the Hypersonics play hell with some of the autoloaders that already don't digest light or hot loads very well. I shoot too much to pay $30 a box for steel shot loads. I kill 'em with $12.99 Federal and Kent steel just as dead.

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from Jere Smith wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

I am with the Majority here, Don't need or want it!

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from JOHN ANDERSON wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

"HYPE HYPE" AND AWAY!!!

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from Mike Diehl wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

They misnamed it. Should be "Oberhyped High Speed." Anyhow, from my friend the missile man, hypersonic is something like Mach 6+, which these shells won't do. I sense a lawsuit coming.

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from oldboot wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

Needing to redo the fillings in my teeth for waterfowl? Doesn't sound right to me. I would rather keep the use of my right shoulder.

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from O Garcia wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

I think Jim Carmichel described a similar idea to make a superfast rifle load back in his younger days. He decided not to go on with it, and then mentioned something about God watching over fools. And infants. Whatever. Jim's recipe required three layers of propellant, slowest powder near the base of bullet, progressively faster burning as you move towards the primer. The only problem he had back then was a way to ignite the slower powder ahead of the other two, as it is the one farthest from the primer. Remington's solution (above) is a tube. I was thinking maybe a stick of cordite to serve as fuse, but I'm not really aware of its rate of burn. Anyway, God really watches over fools like me.

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from Mock1 wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

I never notice the recoil when I'm hunting w/ 3 1/2's but I can definately feel it when I'm shooting clays. Besides, when your in the field you usaally have a coat on.

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from focusfront wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

jjas:

Sorry it took so long to get back to you. Thank you for calculating muzzle energies of the new load. If Remington would put an aerodynamic, appropriately constructed 500 grain slug in a sabot and load with this tech, a 3 1/2" 12 ga. shotgun would be an elephant gun. 4550 foot-pounds equals or beats most loads from the .375 H & H, .404 Jeffery, .450/400 Nitro Express, etc. and is only a hands breadth behind the .458 Win Mag. So as proof of concept, this is good.

But of course it would kick like an elephant gun. Imagine firing an elephant gun from a layout goose blind? The kick would drive you into the muck like a tent peg.

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from hengst wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

Well I'm game. I am sure curiosity will get the best of me and many others here regardless of what is said now. Besides free health care is on the way for the ortho, dentist and eye doctors to fix the gamage.
Curiosity killed the cat and trashed the shoulder.

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from toeup wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

does not kick anymore than the 3in lead mags i use to use.if your shoulder can not take the lick,and your wallet can not take the hit, take up ping pong.works very well on long geese and coyotes.i will use 2.75 steel for most of our waterfowl season,and switch when they start getting smart.

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from ejunk wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

phil, were those prices for 10 or 25 shells?

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Evan!

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from elmer f. wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

VERY INTERISTING! it will be intersting to see if they can mass produce this without quality trouble. it looks to me that if there is a slip up in assembling the load, there is a possibility of all of the powder going off at the same time, which would be disasterous. i sincerely hope this NEVER happens! aside from that, i like the idea, except for the extra recoil end of it. but i guess it is like anything else, if you want to play, you have to pay. i would imagine that this will be met with some sceptisisim. i think everyone will like the extra power. this is america, bigger (more power) is ALWAYS better! but, i cant see many being excited about the extra recoil. this may be one of those things that is ahead of its time. now, if the introduced a new shotgun to go along with it, that has a mechanical anti-recoil mechanism built in. then, they might set the world on fire.

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from lwolford wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

I like the idea for slugs. Maybe if they put in a lightweight slug like Hornady does for the SST (300 gr. I think) the recoil would be more than manageable. Then again, with a lightweight slug, you may not have the pressure problems if you just use a single charge. I'm not sure the proportion of bullet weight to pressure.

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from lwolford wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

I looked at some slugs that I have on hand. Brenneke KO 2 3/4 inch slugs have a velocity of 1,600 fps with 2,491 ft/lbs for a 1 oz load. Hornady's SST uses a saboted Muzzle loader bullet at 2,000 fps and 2,664 ft/lbs for a 300 gr load. I guess for shotguns, slugs have already reached "hypervelocity."

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from Ned S wrote 1 year 38 weeks ago

I have been shooting 1700-1800 fps reloads for 4 yrs. This year will be the 5th year. My kill ratio went to 1 1/2 shells per bird on dove, pheasant, ducks and geese. 7/8 oz of steel B's at 1724 fps snockers Lessers over decoys. At 4000 ft and 32F this load will penetrate to kill to 73 yds. With my 935/Mod choke I get 90% patterns at 40 yds and 96% with the full choke. I kill to 50 yds before losing killing pattern density with the Mod choke. Yes indeed, speed kills. Congrats to Rem for doing something right. Ned S the young 81 yr old.

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from Montana Test wrote 1 year 19 weeks ago

Have taken a shell apart and have picture of wad at Montana Test. Will test this coming Saturday on ducks and geese. Will let you know what I find.

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