No stuffing the ballot box Chicago-style! LOL

.257 Weatherby Magnum
87 gr (5.6 g) SP 3,825 ft/s (1,166 m/s) 2,826 ft·lbf (3,832 J)
100 gr (6.5 g) SP 3,602 ft/s (1,098 m/s) 2,881 ft·lbf (3,906 J)

.270 Winchester Short Magnum
90 gr (5.8 g) JHP 3,700 ft/s (1,100 m/s) 2,737 ft·lbf (3,711 J)

I think the 270wsm can compete with the lighter bullets though, even if a smidgen lower in ballistics with the same bulletweight, it still wont make Any difference inside usefull range ;P besides it can shoot much heavier bullets for bigger bulkier game too :) win win win :D

No, I'll pick the .243 underdog

hey Dave, i was just wondering if you got my emails concerning the bow, and i'll go with the .308

I can't believe you let 30 Rem AR into the tourney.

Just goes to show that the masses don't really know what is good for them! NO WAIT! That's Pelosi, Reed, and Obama's line!

i predict the .243 won't make the final four with all the rest of the competition it has.

What about .300 Savage? Yeah, I know, no one has one anymore. So .308 then. The ammo is anywhere that has ammo. It has tons of proven deer loads, the bullet variety is vast, and it's a handloader's dream. It fits in a short action rifle. It performs well in short barrels. You can shoot most other things with it, too. It doesn't kick much. It's absolutely devastating on deer. It and the .25-06 are the two cartridges that seem to kill way out of proportion to their. It's good enough for US military marksmen. If this thing doesn't have enough range and flat shooting for your deer hunting, you have a serious problem.

I would like to say .30-30 is the best, but many on here would freak out. I get the feeling if given a .30-30 carbine with iron sights, some folks wouldn't have much for success. They need their Gunwerks model Seven Million Super Long Range Series in 7mm ROM (Ridiculously Overbore [unless you get the 36" barrel option] Magnum) with Huskemaw super dialer calculator any range turret scope to hit anything. Brush? What's that? A deer you can see with the naked eye? Impossible!

This is a suberb idea. Personally, I own about half of the calibers in the tournament so I'm eager to see what others think.

Take this one to the bank: The championship match is going to be a slug-fest between the .270 Win and the .30-06. Doesn't matter to me who wins the final; both are champs who have thrilled their fans over many years.

ps. Pun intended.

still cant pick the 243. because of to many yuppies think they know what they're doin and buy varmint bullets.

thats fun i like this because you can get an idea of the prefect cal. ffor deer season

Happy Myles and seadog,
Division II should go up today.

Great idea, stir up some more reasons for this gun being better than the other gun.

no .35 remington?

Now if only we could make friendly wagers on this somehow...

I'm picking the 30-06 as the champ

i have a .270 and it shoots nice so im going with the .270

Dave,

Make sure you set up a loosers bracket so some really good cartridges don't get tossed out with the "bath water"!!!!!!!

Thermasterdam what weight bullet are you using in the .257 Wby Mag?

Did I miss some data? When is Division II coming out?

Greatest idea ever!

I like the 260Rem and25-06 for whitetails, with the 243Win on the bench. I recuited Barnes and Hornady SST for all MVP,s.

Great idea, guys, thanks. This will be fun.

Got to go w/my baby, the .270. This should be fun to watch unfold though, a helluva lot more interesting to me than college bball.

257 Weatherby vs 270 Winchesther. These are two of my favorite rounds, that was a close one. I will say this about my 257 Weatherby's: I have never had to shoot at an animal twice with my Weathery. From 90lb does at 40 yards to 600lb elk at 400 yards it has flattened every animal it has come in contact with. There is no flatter shooting medium game rifle out there. The only downside to the cartridge is the cost point. However if you reload you can neck down 7mm mag or 264 win to make 257 Weatherby, so cost is not really an issue. The two 257's I have are definitely my go to guns. Also anyone who has ever seen the end result of a 257 Weatherby has always said "I need one of those." Animals hit the ground like lightening has struck them. Take that for what it's worth.

30-06 might be hard to beat but I like the #2 seeds in both divisions, edge to the .308.

270wsm kicks like a 3006, reaches like a 257 weatherby mag and is gaining popularity and can do the job of ALL the other calibres here :D win win win :P

Themasterdan tell your wife in a genuinely conserned tone that u need this to feel better with yourself. that u need it for your selfworth, and show her the weatherby vanguard syntetic that retails for bout 450 bucks in 270wsm and ask nicely withouth whining and if she loves u she will let u have it. Your a man and dont need her permission really, but u ask her out of respect for her and do so nicely withouth pleeding. do it right and u shouldnt have any problems. your wife or future so wanna make u happy, really she does. and she will not deny u this one little thing if thats what it takes to make u happy. (and yeah i know its a bit manipulative, but u really think most women arenth semi-experts on this subject already??:P )
Im planning to marry this year too and my woman wont deny me anything outside a threesome, that i could possibly ask for cos i share my problems with her withouth asking her to help me with anything. im the man, the strong one and she is the woman and like that im the strong leader in our relationship cos i dont ask much but expect to be respected in my wishes ;) if u still cant convince her, its all your fault and u r whipped even before u get hitched :P just kidding offcourse, but asking nicely cos of "respect" is gonna make her feel important in your life and a co-leader in your life.. good luck with your marriage and get that 277 :)

There's always one team with a great record that gets left out because of a lack of glamour - in this case, we're talking about the humble shotgun slug - responsible for more whitetail entries in the B&C record book than any other cartridge.

This is almost too cool! I cannot wait to see which one wins.

man i am really hoping for it to come down to the 308 and 30/06 in the division 2

A lot of great weapons in there but I'm tending to lean towards the 270 wsm. Ammo's a bit more spendy but it sure shoots nice! We're getting great groups at 416 yds and we're going to take it out to 637 soon.

My opinion for Whitetail deer: #1- 30-06, #2- 30-30 (Bushwacking), #3- 7mm Rem Mag (distance w/punch), #4- 270 WSM

I have a 30-06 and thinking of changeing my 243 for 25-06 I thnk it may be a better light weight all rounder?

ohh, I think I've probably been in trouble for awhile, now. Bring on the bus!

Bee

Looks like all the real heavy hitters are in the Division II bracket.

WMH

YooperJack

Less recoil, more practice maybe? The only reasonable assumption I can come up with is that the velocity and pressure behind most .308 loads is ideal for stabilizing a 150-168 gr bullet in a 1:10 twist bore. That may not be true either. I find that my moderate .30-06 loads shoot better groups than most hot loads. I'm not a long range competitor, so that's just my guess.

All:

I'll stick with cartridges that always performed well for my stepfather and have always performed well for me, regardless of the game animal he or I took, including elk:

In equal measure, with equal votes to all:

.257 Roberts, 7x57 Mauser, .270 Winchester.

A well-aimed handload with a good bullet at any sane range with any of these cartridges will quickly and humanely take any deer (or pig) anywhere. Same thing with the 7mm-08. Certainly the same thing with the Ackley Improved versions of the Mauser and Roberts.

While I have no issue with those who hunt deer with the Weatherbys or WSMs or Remington Magnums, for me I see no point in using such cartridges. I'm not going to take a 600-yard shot on a deer under any circumstances, nor a 500-yarder, and possibly not a 400-yard shot either, although I might if I had a good rest and wind conditions were mild or calm. As such, my picks--the .270, 7x57, and .257 Roberts, all handloaded, of course--are tied for first place in my mind, because each of them will do the job at hand as well as the other two, and no other cartridges, in my view, can do so better, at least not under my real world conditions of 400-yards or less.

TWD

Actually, this seems like a waste of time. Since we did not specify the environment where the gun would be used, one can only vote on data and the preceived availability of ammo. I have a 30-06, 30-30, and a 7x57. If I'm in East Texas with very short distances (45 yards shots or less) I'd take the 30-30; if I'm hunting the hill country west of Austin, or the South Texas brush, the 7x57 seems right; and last, if I were to be hunting in the open plains of West Texas I'd drag along the 30-06. Personally, my favorite is a slab-sided lever action 30-30 in the deep woods.

30/06 150 gr

270wsm isnt really beaten by the 257 weatherby sven (sweedish??) cos with the lighter bullets it performs on the same level with the same ammount of recoil.. :P

The .35 remington is top seed in the "NIT" tournament.

Once again, no love for the .35 Remington. The 200 grain .35 Remington has proven itself to be one of the greatest deer cartridges in the last hundred years. You should remove the 7x57 Mauser and put the .35 in it's place.

I guess I'll vote for the 270Win.

cool bracketology

:)

the only rightful winner here was the .243 in my oppinion. in several other article on field and stream alot has been argued that the .25s are the best deer cartridges so i cant figure out why they lost so bad. the .257 weatherby beats the .270 in every way. its just very obscure and has no popularity.

This is a great idea, the 257 weatherby seams to be under rated though