.308 vs .30/06? That's a tough one... It would make a good championship

Right on beekeeper!!! thats what i have in my championship.I'm taking the underdog. Lets go 270 win!!!!!

And when 30/06 vs. .270 Win happens (and it's gonna happen) who do you have Beekeeper?

Ouch! .30-06 vs. .308 !? The two best were bound to come up against each other anyway.

270 win vs. 30-06 same argument we have at the club every year.

There was a time when I was crazy for the 30-06 later it was the 270. For the last few years it's been the 25-06. For deer it will do anything the larger rounds will do and do it with less recoil.
Mr. Ricochet that quote about removing front sights was a favorite from one of the old timers that is no longer around. Thought you might want to know heh, heh.

Considering how new the .270 WSM really is and how few weapons still chambered to it there is, im declaring it a winner, even if its not this competitions winner. it has already massive popularity in the general community and i predict it will have about as huge a following in ten years as this little competition shows sign of, and then ammo prices will follow and availability too. If ten% of the ammo made and sold in all the market is a 270wsm in ten years i wont be surpriced, or even much higher.. its the 270 winchester`s child and its following and use on whitetail makes it fight up there with the mighty 3006 that has the hugest sale of weapons and ammo of all the worlds weapons.not bad for an old army round, who fought the wwII and has a longstanding merit as an all around cartridge. Its child was the 308 winchester that almost had as much energy as the old army round and did it in a shorter autoloader that where more controllable than the hardhitting 3006 springfield in an army garand.And the 308 winchester (witch is the civillian form of 7.62nato) didnt fight a war and wasnt given the proof of purpose the old 06 did, but it was the NATO shell of choice during many long years of usa/soviet cold war and created a breach or safezone against open war, a barrier against bombs falling with nuclear warheads either way. it obviously did, its still here, its good,precise and has prooven itself on a modern battlefield. The 270 winchester on the other hand was only the necked down version of the 06 and civillian in origin and sudden widespread use. it was the "magnum" of its time and spat bullets heavy enough for most things living. As the 270 whitch was a civillian to gain such popularity so fast meant just plain being popular, not just available. the people took it to heart cos it worked. and well too. kicked a little less than the 06 and flew true and straight. But what i think is genious about the 270wsm is that it did it all on its own. it wasnt a conveniently converted military shell with a smaller calibre round ontop. It has gotten so popular in spite of having remington out first with ultra short magnums who if they had had more sense would have had the guts to launch theire version of this calibre first would have one of the newest most potential sellers of our age og guns. and would have done it with impunity. its just that good. everyone who have tried one wants one, even if they prefer theire old "trusty" one.(its a guy thing i think, new toy-gotta have!!!) soo many wanna join in with this new round that there has to be made more guns in it now and they have to crank up the pace at winchester before we run dry of ammo :P

The .270 winchester short magnum is truly the real winner in this contest by mere merit of success and popularity. Its gonna be with us for more than a hundred years im sure or way longer if were lucky. But fear not all u who love your old 270 winchester/3006/308. or whatever u prefer to shoot. its all moving a new step forward anyway. Just read about hornadys newest experiments in gunpowder and the new stuff is gonna bump the speeds of all cartridges up with an average of 200fps. and then the 308 will take the 06`s place in speed, the 270win the speed of the 270wsm and new benchmarks of performance will have to be set for both the old 06 and the new wsm. And the 270wsm does this powerboost in a shorter mechanism than the 06 does. powerspecs reversed with the 2 versions of buth calibres. so who could now claim that 270wsm isnt a true winner after all? :D

My nickel is on the Naught Six by 2 points, not that it is any better whitetail killer than the rest.

lovetohunt your argument is moot since the final four are all allround cartridges. all of them can do each others job. Dont u see that? :P
it IS a popularity contest :D who thinks what of each calibre :D lulz

It is turning into a regular U.S. Election. No substance just a popularity contest. (JOKE) Don't worry lovetohunt the 06 generation will eventually fade away. Let's hit them with the sentimental card, WWJD ( what would Jack do) as in O'Conner

What happened to all those .270 WSM fans in the Elite Eight? Where's ACORN?

all my personal preferences got squashed long ago(7mm mag, 7mm-08, 257, 243). of what remains i would prolly pick the 270 for the win.

30-06 will beat 308 because of its ability to out rebound 308 at both ends of the floor. 30-06 has a unstopable height advantage.

This is great! (other than the fact the 30-30 is gone) - but it does illustrate a point I make a lot. All these cartridges go down the barrel the same way: a bullet propelled by gas. All the other "stuff" is why we buy gun magazines (belt, no belt, rim, rimless, short mag, ultra short mag, super short mag, super duper pooper ultra crazy short mag, etc). This is really down to brass tacks (pun intended): 27 caliber vs 30 caliber.
For you can only stuff a brass case with powder and put a bullet on top so many ways. (Well, we did have etronx priming to radically change it up for awhile). Instead of the old arguments we'd hear about the 243, 270, 30-30, 30-06 & 45-70, now we get 10 or so new cartridges ("teams") to argue ("vote") on each year. Us hunters have been dealing with going to "96 teams" all our lives! Great idea - this "big dance" of whitetail cartridges. Doesn't matter how many new ways they invent to send my copper jacketed projectile down the barrel - kinda hard to do it better than the old timers. Hard to beat the "romance" of the 30-30, a cold crisp morning, open sights, a whitetail 40 yards and closing. OK, I said I was over the 30-30 losing out! :O) -I always loved the .270 because of the writing of Jack O'Conner - He's smiling right now! 270 all the way baby!

Hmmmmmm tried topost and don't think it took so here goes, As an ol' geezer who shot his first rifle ( M1 Garand ) at Ft. Hood Tejas in '59 I vote naught 6.

both are good cartridge------my bets are on the 30-06

The .308 is a better long range tactical round. But this is about ethical shots on whitetails. You just can't beat the 30-06 for versatility availability and thumpin power.

To me all these but the .308 Win are overkill for whitetail, though I have used the .270 Win and .30-06. Go ahead and laugh at me for saying one thing and doing another, since I usually just grab my .35 Whelen and have used fire-breathing 7mm and .30 mags. It's half the fun of shooting. I enjoy and appreciate them all and do not take issue with anything anyone chooses to use on game (I would love to get a .270 WSM ... and use it for whitetail). But I do like hearts and livers and shoulder meat and prefer slower controlled expansion rounds nowadays.

This has been a lot of fun. The finals looks to be as most expected. What will be even more fun than deciding the winner will be reading the comments. Please, no cutting and pasting from posts past.

So what is up for the Stanley Cup, World Series, and Superbowl?

is the .30-06 or .270 win MSU?

I believe the .30-06 might just be the Blue Devils of this match.

and a +1 for you, mr Jenks! .270! .270! .270!

Picking a cartridge is like looking for a soul mate, everyone is looking for someone they like like to fall in love with!

Instead of eHarmony.com?

Why not eCartridge.com!

According to F&S articles, whitetails are the most hunted species. Look at the catalogs for junk for sale to pursue the whitetail. Based on what is on my plate, the fast 7mm is a good compromise for me and where I hunt. Other spots it's the .35 Whelen or .308 etc for me.

Jim in Mo

LMAO! I have 4 - .30 caliber rifles, a couple .223's, 2 -.25's, a .284, and 2-.35's and 3 flavors of shotguns - 12, 20, and .410...

If I can't kill it with one of them, I dang sure ain't running out to buy a .270 Flavor! Heck, I don't get much hunting done now trying to decide what rifle to take. Now I just take 4 and decide what to use that day depending on the barometric pressure and positions of Jupiter and Mars! LOL

"All-around"? "Romance"? Who really cares?? The day you pick your favorite WHITETAIL cartridge will be the last day of hunting season with thirty seconds of legal light left, with a 214" typical walking off the field 350 yards away, and you're either trying to remember if your old '06 drops four or five feet at that range, or even worse, you're standing there like a moron with your grandad's romantic .30-30. On the other hand, its almost impossible to hit a deer at 25 yards with a scoped Sako .270 WSM. wait...i think i just picked my favorite caliber. i luv ranting

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after this y'all should do a bracket of gun models (exp: model 700, model 77, etc.)

spartan88, I'll take my M1 Garand & M1A if I feel the need for a fire fight with a poor defenseless Bambi of a creature! LOL! ;)

Jakenbake,

The same old chicken or egg argument.... Oh well, if I must choose I'll have to go with the old 30/06...

Just goes to show you how you can make a carefully crafted "Poll" turn out the results one is looking for...

I own 3 rifles chambered in 270 and only one in 30-06, but when the going gets tough I always reach for old 06. It may not win this competition, but it will always be number one with me.

The last post I ment to say the 270 WSM gives a little more range. Fingers aren't working or mind isn't, maybe both.

The Championship isn't going to be those who think the 06 is the best deer round against those who think the 270 is. It is going to be those who think the 06 is the greatest round period (which I think is false, it is the second greatest the .22LR is the greatest round ever) against those on here who hate the 06 because it is so popular and want to see it knocked off its ivory tower. Granted some people who honestly think the .270 is the greatest deer round (which maybe it is because I don't know the BEST for deer) will vote for the .270 the majority of votes will be against the 06 not for the 270

Added note: I have never gone big game hunting, but if I did go out for white tail I would not oppose using any .30 or the .270 win. You can't really go wrong with most of the bracket.

Game Over! Let's get on with the Championship of the Unwashed Masses! The best whitetail only cartridges have already gone bye-bye! LOL

im want the underdogs to take the win

My uncle owns a 270 WSM and its a flat flyer hands down. I recently bought a Tikka T3 308 and shoot against my buddy who has a remington 700 sps tactical... I got him at 100 yards with my inch or better groups.. 200 as well...but past that his custom shells begin to improve....he has another buddy who has a 400 yard group just as good if not similar than his 100 yard groups....he has canned a porcupine out of a tree at 600 yards..On the other hand my uncle with his 270 WSM is delivering a 270 round to a deers pump station at 800 yards+ my next rifle will be a 270 WSM regardless the price of shells!

don't remember the military snipers using anything other than the 308 in the last 30 years! not only more accurate but very easy to find in about any gun shop coast to coast.

I've deer hunted over 40 years and keep going back to 30-06. What I didn't expect was the load I use that I would have never used intentionally and that is 130 hp bullets and H380 that for my Remingtons has been the deadliest and most accurate 30-06 round I've ever tried. If you are meat hunting, you can head or neck shoot with no need to track (just make sure they are in a place you can get them out of when you shoot). While all you "deep penetration" guys are exactly right, you seldom have a "pass through" with this load, you seldom have a blood trail either because they fall on the spot and all the kinetic energy from the 3000fpm plus load impacts the animal. I wouldn't recommend them for shooting through loads of brush bit if you can see the spot through your scope, you can hit it. I would have never tried this one because I was into the heavier bullets for big game but a friend game me some bullets and powder that he didn't need and it just happened. Because of the accuracy and impact, this is now my coyote and hog gun too and I'm never going back to regular bullets unless I end up in a place where there is no chance of finding a hole to shoot through. Sure has saved me some anxious moments except for the times when I pull the trigger and the deer just "disappears" but that goes away when you get to the spot where he was standing and he's piled up waiting to be field dressed. I guess when you get down to 130 gr. bullets it mirrors what the .270 advocates like and can't say I disagree. After many years I decided I liked a well placed, low recoil 130 gr. hp better than the shoulder thumping wider group bullets that thump your shoulder instead of the deer or pig. As I get older, dropping them in their tracks is way better than pounding my sore knees doing a full blood trail track. Guess to some it would seem lazy but when you pass 60, you start to understand that less miles of walking can be appreciated.

I own two Tikka rifles for hunting. .308 & .270. I didn't vote but guess which two I would have.

Jerry