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April 01, 2010

Petzal: Why I Like the 7mm/08

By David E. Petzal

In reviewing my voluminous and infallible records yesterday, I saw that I have killed a very large number of deer with the 7mm/08, never had to shoot twice at the same critter, and never had one travel more than 50 yards. This is pretty good performance from a mild-mannered, unassuming cartridge that gets less attention than it deserves.

The 7mm/08 started as a wildcat in the 1950s, and was legitimized by Remington in 1980. It is the .308 necked down to .284, and is factory loaded with 120- and 140-grain bullets at 3,000 and 2,860 fps, respectively. These velocities, from what I’ve seen, are pretty optimistic.

The virtues of the 7mm/08 include very light recoil, not much muzzle blast, plenty of bullet weight to do the job, and gilt-edged accuracy. For whatever reason, my 7mm/08s have shot rings around the three 7x57s I’ve owned, even though the cartridges are, ballistically, nearly identical. The 7mm/08 does very nicely with a short barrel; you lose very little velocity and the report won’t take your ears off.

I’ve never used the 120-grain loading. Everything I’ve shot has been with 140-grain bullets, including Winchester Fail-Safes and Ballistic Silvertips in factory ammo. I am down to my last box of Fail-Safes (which are discontinued) and am hoarding them for the Apocalypse, or something. Otherwise, I shoot handloads: 140-grain Nosler Solid Bases (also discontinued, but a very good deer bullet) and 140-grain Swift A-Frames for bigger stuff. Velocities are 2,700 fps and 2,650 fps, respectively, out of a 21-inch barrel. More than this you do not need.

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from 60256 wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

I use 7mm-08 and I am glad that you wrote this article, because I have had the same performance out the ammo. Most of my deer drop on the spot, and never run very far if they do run.

Nate

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

DEP

Are you getting soft? Whatever happened to your 7mm Weatherby magnum? LOL

Best regards

WAM

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from BowtechWVU wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Ive never used a 7mm-08 but it sounds like a interesting gunt to hunt whitetail with

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from Ozark Hunter wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

I'm not a fan of the 7mm-08 or even the .284 cal, but I'm not going to knock it ether. As before with the 6.5-284 discussion versus the 260 Remington. If 7mm-08 is not available in your area, at least there is an over abundance of 308 brass to reload.

Kinda nice not having that fella playing "SLUG BUG" hitting your shoulder all the time with the every sighting of a Volks Wagon. Maybe not relevant to the discussion, but worth mentioning.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Is that Hillary Clinton? LOL

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from jscottevans wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Do you like it more than the 6.5/284?

And how short of a barrel are we talking on the performance? 18"? 20"?

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from salmonquest wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

I won a 7-08 at a RMEF dinner. I wasn't familiar with the cartridge and hastily sold it. Of course since then I've heard several good reports about what a splendid deer cartridge and I'm thinking the 120 grain might make a nice varmint gun. Although presumedly expensive to shoot. As with all gun sell. I'm regretting that one. Please don't write any more good articles about it. I'm hoping ignorance is bliss. :)

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from LutherMartin1517 wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

I have read that Swedes drop moose with the 6.5 swede. Will the 7mm/08 drop a moose?

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from Harold wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Dave,

I have used a 7X57 (as you say, a ballistic twin to the 7mm-08) for 40+ years. I use the 140 gr. bullet (Nosler partitions) that get about 2900fps in my handloads. This combo has accounted for 35 elk, 5 moose, 2 caribou, 1 sheep and I don't know how many antelope and deer. I've had the same experience as you have-everything drops quickly. Therefore, I've never had the desire to get anything larger. Perhaps you or someone here can enlighten me, but given today's bullets and powders, is there any reason to use anything larger than a 30-06 in the lower 48?

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from davidpetzal wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

To WA Mtn Hunter: One is retired, one I sold. I am obliged to use as many different cartridges as possible, and can't stay with any one forever. But for about 12 years I used the hell out of two 7mm Weatherbys.

To JScottEvans: 20 inches. I wouldn't own or shoot any big game rifle with an 18-inch barrel, the one exception being the Marlin Guide Gun.

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from yod8181 wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Have used the 7mm-08 for 15+ years with both 140s (Nosler's 140 Solid Base is also my all-time favorite bullet for deer) and 120s with consistently good accuracy out of a 20" barrel and fine results on game. While certainly a mite heavy, the cartridge is indeed plently accurate for 'chucks beyond 300 yards, which is great practice for the fall although I have to admit I've yet to shoot a deer in PA beyond 130 yards...

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from whitedemon wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

they forgot about the rem. 770 300 mag i can reach out and touch you at 500 yards i mean a deer on top ten guns

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from whitedemon wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

can i say i have a rem. model 25 in 32-20 for sale on here whitedemo@aol.com i don't know honestly

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from jscottevans wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

OK, thank you Mr. Petzal.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

DEP

Thanks. I hope to get 12 years out of mine! Then I'll go get me a 7mm-08! By then I'll have to change my moniker to FL Flatlandhunter.

WA Mtnhunter

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from davidpetzal wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

To JScottEvans: Forgot to answer a question. The 7mm/08 and 6.5/284 have different applications. The first is essentially a 300-yard-and-under cartridge; the second is 300 and over.

To LutherMarin1517: It certainly will. The Swedes use all kinds of what we consider small rifles to kill moose. If I were working up a dedicated 7mm/08 moose load, it would be a 160-grain Swift A-Frame, or a Barnes Triple X.

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from steve182 wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

I agree, a great deer cartridge indeed.

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from Amflyer wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Anyone who says that the 7-08 isn't enough for moose is out of their skull. I shot a moose one in heavy timber with my handloaded 120 gr Noslers. It was quartering away, and I only had a split second to throw the rifle up and squeeze off a shot. I pulled the shot aft, and it struck a 4-5 inch sapling, deflecting the bullet, which impacted the bull moose just left of center of the base of its spine. The bull dropped in his tracks.

When I skinned it out, the bullet had mushroomed perfectly, took out the left hip, continued forward severing the spine, rupturing the gallbladder, the splenic artery and finally taking out both lungs and the aorta. I recovered the Nosler just under the skin of the brisket area. Retained weight was about 110gr or so. Considering that this was a carom-shot, I think there is no question that the 7mm-08 is good for any mammal in North America! Shot placement is the key with today's bullets.

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from Jason Hart wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

I had never heard much of the 7mm/08 until Mr Petzel wrote his article about all of the best big game calibers. After that I began to hear a lot more about it and just recently decided on getting one for my son in the Marlin XS7. I think it will be a good starting gun for him as it will not kick the snot out of him like my first gun did a light weight .308 Winchester.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Jason Hart

I think you will find recoil comparable to your .308 Win with comparable weight bullets like a 125 gr Remington managed Recoil or 130 grain Hornady SP handloaded to a moderate velocity. With the similar amount of powder in the same case size, it's all about bullet weight. A friend of mine's daughter (16) complained about recoil with the 140's in her 7-08 but not the 120's. Must have made some difference.

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from DickSmith wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Though I have a short barreled 7-08 I have never gotten "the shot". I do like it's performance though. I have taken some mule deer with the 7-57 I built for my wife. With a 24 inch barrel I get 3000 fps with a 140 grain Sierra Hunter. The bullet has never exited though made it to the opposite side, stopping just under the skin. The heart has blown up three time even when only the aorta was hit. A long quartering trajectory through the lungs turned them to mush. My sons have taken mule deer with their 7-57 short barreled rifles I built for them with similar results. They get 2750 fps out of a 19 inch barrel with the same 140 grain bullet. All velocities are chronographed.

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from Jason Hart wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

WMH...

I think I will try the 120's for him. I am not particularly recoil sensitive now. I got that 308 when I was 10 and way too much gun, but my father had got the same gun for all three of his sons and that was that. I want my son to get into the outdoors, I just want to make sure he doesn't get a bad taste in his mouth because I tried to get him to use to much gun. Since I am not a huge fan of the .243, I see the 7mm/08 as the next logical step for him.

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from MLH wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Trying to sway some votes going into the final minutes of the Final Four? Pulling this out against the .30-06 would be a miracle of miracles.

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from MLH wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Jason - might also consider the .260 Rem.

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from Beekeeper wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Jason Hart,

My wife loves her 7-08 Browning Micro Hunter almost as much as she loves me...LOL! This is a very light weight rifle. She detests recoil! She shoots 140 grain Nosler Ballistic Tips with no trouble. She may take up my 7-08 load using the 120 grain Barnes Tipped TSX. A fine bullet/cartridge combo indeed.

Thanks Dave for speaking up for a fine cartridge!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Jason

Good call! If he ever gets tired of the 7mm-08 and "up-guns" to a big magnum, guess what? You got a honey of a deer rifle!

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from bluecollarkid wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

All right ladies and gentlemen, DEP especially, while were on the topic of .284 diameter cartridges, I have a question. I recently found out, due to a number of near misses whilst shooting at deer this past year, that I am getting anywhere between 8" and 18" of bullet drop at 200 yds from my 7x57 shooting 140gr. spitzers with 44 grains of 4350 behind it(not sure of the bullet maker at the mo). I purchased a box of 162 gr. Hornaday Boat-tail ballistic tips and received nice groupings at 200 yds. with 43 grains of 4350 behind it. Sounds like problem solved, right?

Well, I had a few of the 140 gr. catridges left so I decided to give em a second try. After firing 4 shots, I found that I had almost no bullet drop at 200 yds!? Something isn't right.

Ok so what confuses me is that during last years hunt I fired at a deer approx. 175 yds away, aimed at the upper should tip, and cut his white hairs on his belly (no blood, just hair - tracked to make sure it wasn't a slow-bleeder - no blood after a 1/4 mile). Now I'm not seeing any bullet drop at all? What gives?

So my questions to the board are as follows: 1. Can you suggest anything that would account for the unusual bullet drop? 2. Can you suggest any loads that work for you in 7x57 at distances of 100 yds to 300 yds? Look forward to hearing from ya'all.

By the by, all round testing was done from a bench rest at a measured range. Also, with the 140 gr. bullets, I can make them touch each other lovingly at 100 yds so I'm discounting the shooter as the major cause of the problem.

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from Jason Hart wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

MLH...

I have considered the .260 Rem and I am just not a big fan of it. Not a large selection of rifles to chose from and ammunition to chose from.

WMH...

I already have a honey of a deer rifle it is my .270 that is a Ruger Hawkeye with a hogue stock on it. MOA with most factory ammo in 130gr and topped off with a Leupold VX-III 3.5x10x40. However I was considering getting myself a 7mm/08 when I got my rifle upon return from Afghanistan. Who knows I may get both of us one upon return from the next deployment.

Bee...

Sounds like an awesome combo for anything I would hunt.

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from tjhawk wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Try the 120 GR ttsx's that Barnes makes. You will never look back, and you can get 3000 fps with these.

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from hi_tail wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

AMEN! Finally it's getting the attention it deserves! Dave is only scratching the surface of this phenomenal round. Indulge yourself and justify it later, you won't be disappointed. Great results from shorter/handier barrels, short-action quickness and rigidity, amazing ballistics and killing power. To reiterate Dave, more than this you do not need. Boy does it deliver! As a side note, you can now get a 7mm/08 in an AR platform... coyotes anyone??

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from JW7MM-08 wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

I have used this round for 10 yrs and have taken over 25 whitetails, 5 wild hogs, and a black bear with it. The longest one went after being hit was 90yds, and that was my fault. I carry it in the Rem model 7 stainless/synthetic and keep an vx III on top of it. I own 5 other deer rifles including an A-bolt and Vangaurd, and they respectively sit in the safe pretty much all fall. Confindence in your rifle makes you a better hunter in my opinion, and I have all the confidence in the world in this one.

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from davidpetzal wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

To Bluecollarkid: Nothing about any of this sounds normal. First, if you've sighted your 7x57 in to hit 2 or 3 inches high at 100 yards, it should be dead on or maybe an inch low at 200, not 8 to 18; That's off the charts.

When you see performance this erratic it's rarely the ammo; my guess is that your scope has dropped dead or that your bases are loose. Don't fool with ammo any more. First, check the base screws and then mount a new scope. When you've done that, shoot it with factory ammo and see what happens.

Or it could be the bedding screws. Are they tight?

Or it could be Beelzebub. If so, sell the rifle.

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from ishawooa wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

I have owned a custom made 7 mm-08 for a couple decades. Actually the rifle did replace my older 6.5x.284 and has performed extremely well for any task asked of it. My son has killed many deer and one antelope with it (the only license he has ever drawn) in addition to other animals easily dispatched by me or friends. As I have said before a neighbor's wife will use no other round on anything with hair and four legs. She has a room full of trophies up to elk and moose to back up her feelings. I also only use 140 gr. bullets as the chronograph demonstrates expected and consistant velocities, the target excellent one hole ragged groups, and the critters drop dead with one shot. The single exception was a fair sized mule deer that my son shot at about 125 yards with a 140 gr. Nosler Ballistic Tip when they first came out. The deer ran about 50 yards over the ridge and fell kicking. He shot it again as darkness was approaching in the mountains. I left the site feeling that the Ballistic Tips were a bit fragile so went back to Partitions and Gamekings.
Although this is not my favorite cartridge I think I could get by quite well henceforth if it was the only one I possessed.

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from cgaston53 wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

In my short deer hunting career (4 years to date), I've killed 12 of my 14 deer with a Rem700 in 7mm-08. It loves the plain old Remington Express Cor-Lokt 140grain PSPs and shoots them sub-MOA. I've never had a deer run more than 30 yards nor require more than one bullet.

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from JW7MM-08 wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

To cgaston53: I used the factory 140gr core-lokts for a long time until my friend had a factory rem 06 round misfire on a nice 8 point. Now I handload 140gr core-lokts and actually get better preformance out of the rifle. One inch high at 100 means to me effective out past 300.

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from bberg7794 wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

I just purchased my first 7mm-08 and took a whitetail buck with it last season. I believe the 7mm-08 will make a better shooter out of most people, because it is so fun to shoot that people will want to practice more. It has plenty of killing power like the Scandinavian hunters know from the 6.5x55. I am an experienced hunter and have shot many hundreds of rounds from larger caliber rifles. This rifle is now my go-to for anything in the US with the exception of areas where Grizz and Brown Bears are present.

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from Proverbs wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Dave P. - do you know why Federal discontinued the Fail Safe? I have a theory, but am interested if you know for sure.

In 1998 I harvested a massive bull with a Fail Safe 180 gr (.30-06). The measured distance (GPS) was 316 yards. This was the first time I used Fail-Safe in the field, and it made an impression on me. The bull went down like it was struck by lightning. The bullet went into its right shoulder and exited after creating incredible bone and tissue damage. In fact, I'm pretty sure parts of the right shoulder bone exited.

Soon after that I was participating in a recreational military-style shooting match organized by a local sportsman's club. My good friend was in charge, and after the match he agreed to let me try this Fail-Safe load at the 3/8"-thick steel plate at the 300-yard station. As suspected, the bullet passed completely through. Several of the shooters attending the match were surprised it was a hunting round.

Since it was discontinued, I've been wondering if the gov. may have asked Federal to reconsider this load. Your thoughts? By the way, I've been hoarding my Fail-Safes, too. Just in case I go Africa.

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from Proverbs wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Have mercy on me. I mean Winchester. The only thing that even comes close to the Fail-Safe is the Federal Trophy Bonded Bear Claw, and I can't find that anymore, either.

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from Mock1 wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

I'll take my 25-06 over the 7-08. on second thought, maybe I should go buy one just in case I might change my mind :)

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Proverbs

Try a Barnes TSX or MRX in your desired weight. As good or better than Fail-Safes. Same expansion in the nose.

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from wingshooter54 wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

For several years I hunted with a Remington 700 mountain rifle in 7mm/08. No Texas whitetail or exotic traveled more than 15-20 yards and most dropped DRT (dead right there) with the Remington factory 140 corelokt load. It would put three of those under and around an inch from that pencil barrel most every time providing I did my part. Sadly, I traded it off; such is the curse of being a gun nut, but I would gladly take it back. I replaced it with a 700 mountain rifle in .260 Remington (no longer chambered in that model) and the results on deer size game has been virtually the same with maybe a little more DRT. I remember an article you wrote Dave, on your favorite whitetail rifle which was a Jarret rebarreled Ultra Light Arms in 7mm/08 improved. You claimed it was the one you reached for when someone said, "Let's go deer hunting."

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from Mark-1 wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

I don't understand why 7-08 performs as described in this blog, but it does. I'm a 7 x 57 fan. It would seem the 7 x 57 would be superior to the 7-08 due larger case size just has the 30-06 be superior to 308 due case size. It's a mystery to me. It seems anything bullet heavier than 145-grains has to be seated deep.

In 7mm Mauser I settled on 160, 140, and 115 weight bullets. The 115 Speer hollow was wonderful for woodchucks. Any good 140-grain bullet worked. For the bigger stuff I'd use the 160's.

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from fmenning wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

I've owned a Browning BLR 7mm/08 since '84. I have shot elk and deer with it using 165 gr Grand Slam handloads. This rifle/caliber is a great deer and lightweight mountain rifle here in Idaho/Utah. This rifle should not be a primary choice elk/moose/bear rifle where knockdown power should be the ethical consideration. I use either a .338WM or a .300WM on these. Also, unless you handload use Premium ammo--I learned this the hard way!

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from wetland man wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Right before I got married 18 year ago, I had my gunsmith revitalize my Rem 700 ADL chambered in .243 Win. We rebarreled using a stainless Shilen barrel, chambered for 7mm-08 Rem, and put the whole rig into a Pacific Research black synthetic stock. The reciever was given a Electroless Nickle finish and an aluminum BDL floorplate added. A Jewel trigger and a 3x-9x Swarovski scope. I've taken many deer with the 7mm08. I love to handload for the rifle and consider it the finest cartridge for deer sized game shooting Nosler Partitions/Accubonds. I also have an original Rem 788 Carbine which came out the same year that Rem introduced the cartridge!

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from wetland man wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Right before I got married 18 year ago, I had my gunsmith revitalize my Rem 700 ADL chambered in .243 Win. We rebarreled using a stainless Shilen barrel, chambered for 7mm-08 Rem, and put the whole rig into a Pacific Research black synthetic stock. The reciever was given a Electroless Nickle finish and an aluminum BDL floorplate added. A Jewel trigger and a 3x-9x Swarovski scope. I've taken many deer with the 7mm08. I love to handload for the rifle and consider it the finest cartridge for deer sized game shooting Nosler Partitions/Accubonds. I also have an original Rem 788 Carbine which came out the same year that Rem introduced the cartridge!

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from dercat wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Yes, I have one. I bought it hoping to get one of my Kids active in hunting or shooting. I have one daughter who goes but doesn't hunt. Gun is a dream to shoot. less recoil recoil than a 7 Rem Mag or a 300 Ultra. Very accurate, short barrel with right load and reasonable range I wouldn't be afraid of not being able to harvest any thing in the lower 48. I'd like to try on Elk but haven't had the opportunity to tag along. On deer works well with 140 grn Walmart Remington loads. Handloads make it one of the most accurate rifles I have ever shot. Underated--Isn't the big thing the ability to go and when you do to shoot straight?

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from Jim in Mo wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Dave,
I'm glad I had the patience to wait for my post to bluecollarkid and I got to read your response. As I read his post it sounded like me years ago. I was changing and checking everything (and missing deer) but the scope. My Bushnell had hit the dust.
It is curious of the lack of support toward the 7-08. Factory ammo is loaded faster than the 7x57, litigation reasons, handloads are the same as mentioned caliber and both have a millimeter designation but people accept the 7x57, maybe for nostalgic reasons, and the 7mm mag took off and hasn't slowed down in sales. I thought Americans were over the mm stigma. Any thoughts?

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from Happy Myles wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

I have owned two 7mm-08, both great rifles. One I donated for a black tie charity auction where it brought twice what I paid for it, and I wish I had it back. Like a great dog, quiet, efficient, always there when you need it. My granddaughters first "big rifle" with which she is deadly.

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from Ozark Hunter wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

For the average hunter for the average range, the 7mm-08 a pretty good cartridge. Then again, anything past 300 yards rainbows like hell unless you have one of Davids 30 cal Thunder******* and according to the ballistic calculator, you zero it in at 400 yards!

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from Ozark Hunter wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

FYI: found 6.5-284 in my new 2010 Master Catalog fom one of my Candy Stores.

Page 118 Midsouth Shooters

Hornady (50) $46.69

Nosler Custom (50) $54.29

Lapua (100) $124.84

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from stanleyda wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

My nephew loves his new browning X Bolt in 7mm/08, we loaded 120gr Barnes TTXS for it. I had told him the same thing BeeKeeper said, If your gun likes or loves this bullet count yourself lucky and it will be be all you'll ever need. The gun does like these bullets,even when cleaning between shots (barrel break in)10 of the 12 rounds were moa or less. With RL 15 the barnes manuel says 3081fps, 24" barrel. A 22" barrel should be around 3000fps. Sweet gun, if you didn't know better the recoil would make you think it was a 243win.

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from Ozark Hunter wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

David, Just flipped to the back page and not being a fan of Burris, this caught my eye. Burris Eliminator Laserscope. No fuss, no muss, just aim and shoot. What you think?

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from T.W. Davidson wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

All . . .

The 7x57 Mauser has become my favorite centerfire rifle cartridge. I have a Winchester Model 70 Featherweight in 7x57 with a 22" barrel that, after some serious tinkering by a gunsmith, shoots my handloads at a bit under 1" at 100, which suits me just fine.

There's an old gunshop in the town near where I live. I've been a familar face there for close to a decade. The old man who owns the shop likes me. Four or five years ago, the old man invited me to peruse through the huge (like probably 40' x 20') vault in the back of the shop, an invitation, I was told, made to very few. For a gun nut like me, that vault is hallowed ground filled with treasures to be discovered and stories to be written or told.

About three years ago the old man permitted me to sniff and snoop and dig around in the vault, flashlight in hand, for an entire morning. The experience was akin to what a priest must feel like the first time he looks up and sees the Sistine Chapel. In a wooden crate brought back from post WW-II Europe, I found a mint condition 1948 Czechoslovakian Bruno Mauser 98 large ring action. A gifted gunsmith somewhere back in time had mounted a sporter bolt and safety on the action and installed a custom trigger with a beautifully crisp 3.5 lb. pull. Lock time was incredibly fast. Bottom metal was gorgeous. I immediately swept the action in my arms and, like a dog with a fresh bone between its teeth, looked around suspiciously to guard it--nearly growling while doing so--from anyone who might try to take it from me. NFW.

At the time I had very little money to speak of (a situation that hasn't changed much since that time, I'm sad to say), but I managed to convince the old man shop owner to "save" the action for me. I put down a $100 deposit and the old man wrote my name on a tag and attached it to the action, then put the action in a small safe hidden under a shelf. He closed the safe door and spun the dial.

Last week I paid a few more dollars for the action and now it really is mine. Today I called Douglas barrels and ordered their best 24" #2 sporter barrel.

The caliber? 7x57 Mauser. Something I know and love. Something that works.

The people at Douglas are very nice, very knowledgable, and suggested I send them a case with a handloaded bullet in it (sans powder and primer) seated to the cartridge overall length I want, rather than to shorter SAMMI specs that could cause a heavy, long bullet to be seated with its base down past the neck of the cartridge, thus cutting down powder capacity. When I got home today, I went to my garage and seated a Berger VLD 140-grain match bullet to 3.2" overall length, then compared same with a Nosler 140-grain Accubond and Hornady 139-grain SST. All three bullets seat plenty deep into the neck even at 3.2" OAL, but none into the case body itself. Even a 120-grain Nosler Ballistic Tip can be seated (albeit with not a whole lot of bullet in the neck) very close to 3.2" OAL. I'm mailing off the Berger VLD dummy round in the morning.

Over the next several weeks I look forward to assisting my gunsmith in making the final chambering touches on the barrel and to headspacing it, as well as to bluing it. I've still got to find a composite or fiberglass straight comb stock--I welcome suggestions on this, by the way--for the future rifle to be. I can't wait to get the finished rifle out into the field and see how it will perform. I suspect it will perform incredibly well.

Expected cost? I'm guessing probably less than $1.5K, not including the cost of the stock. The old man shop owner gave me a very reasonable price on the action. The Douglas barrel is reasonably priced. And my gunsmith likes to teach, and I'm an avid student, so the cost there won't be too bad either, plus I'll learn a lot and have a lot of fun in the process.

For me, the 7x57 Mauser is a wonderful cartridge that, loaded non-wimpily and fired accurately, will take that elk I've also been dreaming about for the last several years. I've simply got to just go do it, as I'm now doing with the Bruno action and the Douglas barrel.
Great adventures ahead.

Thanks for your 7mm-08 article, Mr. P.

T.W. Davidson

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from bluecollarkid wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

DEP,

Thanks for the suggestions. I will look into it and see where is goes. Maybe it is the scope. I must say, though, that I just put a brand new Nikon Buckmaster 4.5x14x30 SF on it. Hopefully, if it is the scope, Nikon will back its warranty.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Dave,
May you be the "Jack O'Conner" of the 7mm/08?
(Just sayin` you gotta camp load of fans out here Dave)
I like this cartridge as well, but I think my next quest will be the .260 Rem.

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from Ozark Hunter wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

I tell'ya what, you can have any cartridge you want, I'll enjoy using my Bow more with 151 days to hunt ;)

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from HamlettRB wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

To bluecollarkid: DEP is right, probably scope or mounts. After you check mounts and screws (do not overtighten). Sight in at 100yards at highest power (14), 3 inches high sounds right for 7mm/08. After you get a good group, set scope to lowest power (4.5) and fire 3 more rounds, make sure this group does not move significantly. If the group does not move, try the middle power setting. If scope is okay, try pushing on one side of the scope with your fingers, then shoot a few more rounds, then try pushing the other side and try 3 more rounds. Sometimes the mounts are made of soft metal that will not spring back. I have some soft mounts sitting in a drawer, ought to throw them away! I sighted in a friend's Rem770 in 7mm/08 a few months ago and the scope at 3 power printed 2 inches higher than at 9 power at 100 yards!

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from Carney wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

DAVE PETZAL,

Just go out and shoot up that last box of Fail Safe ammo. Enjoy the fact that these are your last -- much like enjoying a last cigarette before you quit. Otherwise, who knows what could happen? Maybe your grandkids will be on PBS's "Antiques Roadshow"... "I got this box of bullets. Been in my family for two generations...."

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Hark! Is that a ghost I see?
No, it is only he,
Dressed as Hillary C.!

LOL

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from Bill Mason wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

I greatly appreciate the virtures of a 139gr SST .284 traveling at 2750 fps (mean velocity, chronographed) for a 300yd rifle enough that I load 52.5 grs of RL-15 in my Remington 7600 .280. If I do my part the rifle will shoot sub MOA at 100yds. The trigger does S**K though.

Dave, I took your sage advice several years ago about a Remington 7600 .280 being a highly underated rifle that could be purchased reasonably at a gun show and bought one. It was practically NIB with the SPS finish but when I started to shoot the rifle, it would chamber a round, but the action would not quite lock causing the rifle not to fire; even reducing the overall length of the cartridge did not help. I knew why I got a deal!! Remington's customer service could not or would not help.

So the question was... why will this rifle not completely chamber a round and lock the action?? Perhaps something is in the chamber that is causing the problem...

I inserted a cleaning rod in the through the barrel and attached a .45 brass pistol brush and scrubbed he Holy s**t out of the chamber. It worked !!

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from fng wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

hello Master Petzal
(using it as an honorific, sir). I recently got a 6.5x55 Swede Tikka Varminter and boy does it shoot! was wondering what kind of makes of factory 6.5 ammo you would recommend. 140 grain winchester power points went into 2/4 of an inch consistently, and Im trying out some Norma 140 grain Nosler soft points. Much appreciated!

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from ingebrigtsen wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

I do not love the 7mm-08! My 308 can do anything it can do with cheaper ammo in abundant supply. dont see the point of it. Its just a newish 7x57 fitted to a shorter action..
A 25-08 with an ackley shoulder would be interesting though ;)

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from Ferber wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Comment to Harold, et al. You've shot more beasts with the 7x57 than I and I'm not the least bit surprised with your results. I have only one 7mm/08 and one 7x57 and have, with the 140-grain bullet made all one-shot kills on elk, Scotish stags, white-tail and mule deer, and some African plains game--with the 7x57. The rifle is a left-handed Rigby, and with either handloads or good factory ammo shoots only (very) slightly less accurately than my 7mm/08. I've only shot two deer with the latter, and like the Rigby, the animals didn't get up again. A fine, easy-shooting caliber, the 7mm/08, and I agree with Dave. But I use my 7x57 often because it's prettier and I know well this particular rifle.

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from O Garcia wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

the official reasons given for the discontinuing of the Fail Safe line is that the steel cup which keeps the shape of the shank more or less intact (thus keeping its terminal sectional density high and allowing it to penetrate deep) also causes pressure to spike up. the composite make up of the bullet (copper, steel, lead) and the complex construction also makes it less accurate (in some rifles, I suppose).

it's probably just too damn expensive to make. if it was discontinued for political reasons, it should have been earlier, when it was still called the Black Talon.
just my guess, anyway.

I don't think the XP3 which replaced the FS is its equivalent.

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from kudukid wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Dave,
Regarding your paltry muzzle speeds with this cartridge:

This is not unusual, in fact it's the norm. The only factory offering I've seen reach advertised performance has been the 222 Rem. (Sako L46 24 in. bbl.)

Example: 3 shots 270 Win. Ptd. Core Lokt 130 gr.2793, 2800, 2872 (Win. Fwt. pre 64)
Example: Same rifle Win. PowerPoint 130 gr. 2706, 2708, 2738
Example: Remington RN Core Lokt 180 gr. in Springfield 30/06 22 in. bbl. 2446, 2468, 2475
Example: Same rifle 150 gr. Ptd. Core Lokt 2787, 2792, 2792, 2858, 2867
Example: Biesen 25/06 Douglas Premium 24 in. bbl Rem. 120 gr. 2799, 2802, 2837,
Example: Rem. 700 24 in. with orig. Hart SS 24 in. bbl. 2912, 2914, 2967

None of these barrels have been shot much...certainly not more than 1,000 rounds in any save the Springfield and that not over 2,000.

Use factory trajectories for anything remotely long-range and you will be kicking up a lot of dust.

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from davidpetzal wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

To Wingshooter 54: The Ultrajarrett (or Jarrettlite) was given to a deserving young man in the Midwest who is left-handed and did not have a left-hand rifle. It's been replaced by an Ed Brown 7mm/08.

To Jim in MO: I can find no logic in why some cartridges succeed and others don't. None.

To Ozark Hunter: I have no experience with Burris equipment. They do not get in touch with me, nor I with them. I bear them no ill will, and I presume they make good stuff.

To T.W. Davidson: I enjoy your posts, but it's Brno, not Bruno. Any language that can get along without vowels deserves some respect.

To Ralph the Rifleman: I'm not mean enough by half to be the Jack O'Connor of anything, but I am in favor of cartridges that don't kick a lot. If I want to be Jack O'Connor I will have to start kicking puppies, or poisoning orphanage wells. Time is running out.

And more about the Fail-Safe: I heard from many sources that the bullet was "inaccurate." I never saw that personally. I've heard the same thing about Swift A-Frames, and it's a crock. But the Fail-Safe is a highly complex bullet, and there are now slugs that will do the same thing but are much simpler, and therefore less likely to go weird. The Barnes XXX series comes to mind.

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from davidpetzal wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

To Wingshooter 54: The Ultrajarrett (or Jarrettlite) was given to a deserving young man in the Midwest who is left-handed and did not have a left-hand rifle. It's been replaced by an Ed Brown 7mm/08.

To Jim in MO: I can find no logic in why some cartridges succeed and others don't. None.

To Ozark Hunter: I have no experience with Burris equipment. They do not get in touch with me, nor I with them. I bear them no ill will, and I presume they make good stuff.

To T.W. Davidson: I enjoy your posts, but it's Brno, not Bruno. Any language that can get along without vowels deserves some respect.

To Ralph the Rifleman: I'm not mean enough by half to be the Jack O'Connor of anything, but I am in favor of cartridges that don't kick a lot. If I want to be Jack O'Connor I will have to start kicking puppies, or poisoning orphanage wells. Time is running out.

And more about the Fail-Safe: I heard from many sources that the bullet was "inaccurate." I never saw that personally. I've heard the same thing about Swift A-Frames, and it's a crock. But the Fail-Safe is a highly complex bullet, and there are now slugs that will do the same thing but are much simpler, and therefore less likely to go weird. The Barnes XXX series comes to mind.

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from davidpetzal wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

To Proverbs: Sorry I missed you above. The Fail-Safe was discontinued for purely economic reasons. It was a very complicated bullet to make, and therefore expensive, and people weren't buying enough of them to justify its continued production. Also, new technologies came along that made it obsolete.

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from KJ wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

To Jim in MO: Just to add a thought on why the 7mm-08 isn't a huge commercial hit - I have a hunch people don't see much reason to mess with the .308. Really, there isn't a huge performance difference, and the .308 is so good, why take a (perceived) step down? Personally, I doubt there is a "perfect" deer cartridge, but the 7mm-08 has to be included in the discussion of "ideal" cartridges, and coupled with the right rifle would be pretty close to a great "all-around" hunting rig.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Dave Petzal

While I think the 7mm-08 is a cartridge of merit, it is sure getting it's ass handed to it in the Hurteau Whitetail Elite Eight voting! Much like it did to the .30 Rem AR. I'm sure our friend Gentleman Jim is sulking at the .260 Rem's first round loss! LOL

I have a Burris Signature Select 3-12x44mm scope coming next week. I'll let you know how it works out. Only my second non-gold ring scope in years.

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from Doug Mork wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Just built a 7mm-08 Ackley Imp off a Interarms Mark X action.Has a 20" barrel and Bell and Carlson stock.So far with none formed brass it shots under MOA.Cant wait to load the formed brass.Should be the perfect lite carry gun for anything I can hunt in ND.

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from nelsol wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

About time DEP. Jut to refresh an aging man's memory, you recommended the 7mm-08 on or about 10 years ago stating, and I quote "It speaks softly, and just knocks stuff flat". I went right out and bought the Browning A-bolt composite hunter, topped it with a Sightron SII 3x-9 scope, and have never regretted the decision. Nor will I ever part with that rifle. 10 years, 10 shots (140 grain WW Supreme Ballistic Tips and 140 grain Federal Nosler Accubonds), and 10 DRT whitetails at ranges of as close as 8 feet (he almost ran me over) out to 220 yards. Great round that gives a shooter confidence.

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from ishawooa wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Actually I always thought the 7mm/08 was created by and maintained its existance mostly for the benefit of the silouette shooters and paper punchers. The rest of us who are hunters and use it are merely a small cadre of folks who are weary of more common garden variety cartridges. Like the above post stated the .308 does the job just as well. I remember that I selected my 7 mm/08 because everyone else didn't have one, it fit a medium length action, and I figured my kids would like to shoot it. I got the idea by watching the local target addicts and hearing their comments.

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from Bernie wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

bluecollarkid: I had a custom 7 x 57 built in the late 1980s on a pre-'64 Model 70 action with Shilen barrel and am most fond of it. I only have used the rifle on deer, but it has been a wonderful deer cartridge with either 140-grain Nosler Partitions or 139-grain Hornady Spire-Points ahead of 45 grains of IMR-4320.

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from Amflyer wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Jeez, no one bit on my April 1st post about the mighty carom-shot. Well, I tried.

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from dale freeman wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Has anybody noticed how we seem to meander back to the "less recoil", less blast as we mature.
I have been hunting for 60 years and, I too, went through the "thunder######" and right back to the 7mm=08.
What a pleasure to shoot, and observe, minute shot groups, without all that "thunder####ing" noise and recoil.
I now shoot a Ruger M77, 7mm-08 and prefer it over the 1 thousand plus guns I've went through.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Amflyer

There is so much 'Pelosi' spread on here that I hardly noticed! Happy Easter!

WAM

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from Beekeeper wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Stanleyda,

3010 with that load in a 22 inch Stainless Savage 116. In my rifel that load will cut clover leafs on the target. Never had one stay in a deer or feral hog.

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from O Garcia wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

kudukid,

you're gonna break a lot of hearts with those velocity numbers. the .270 Win is supposed to push 3,000fps :)

but hey, if you were aiming dead on and the deer dropped, what's 200fps below spec, right?

a lot of deer/game cartridges shorter than .30-06 length all got pushed by the wayside, I think. The .243 and .308 being the exceptions, of course.

and DP is right, there is no logic at all as to why some cartridges become commercial successes and some do not.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

KJ,
Your probably right.

Bill Mason,
I had that same problem in an 760 Rem. 30-06. Bought it at a gun show, obviously used but in good shape for the money. On the second box of shells the slide wouldn't lock on closing. I took it to my gunsmith and he fixed it for $40. With not much explanation he said someone had tried to do some home gunsmithing on it. Glad I offered $25 less than asking price. I love the gun.

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from talred11 wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

One year ago my son who was 12 y.o. drew a New Mexico hunt for Oryx. He is very recoil sensitive so I researched and found the 7mm-08 to be his best option. Oryx are notoriously a difficult animal to take down. He had a quartering away shot on the second day at a nice bull at 96 yards with a 140 grain Barnes TSX bullet and it performed amazingly well. We recovered the bullet which had a 98% weight retention and mushroomed to .650". This is a great caliber for small framed hunters.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Dave P.-
I don't approve of kicking puppies, or poisoning anything, but you can still shoot animals afire and that I do approve of!

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from jwallen wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

I too keep notes and the 7mm-08 has taken more game in my forty-two years of big game hunting than any other caliber. I have only one rifle in 7mm-08 but it has taken 53% of all the deer and 37% of all the big game animals even though it was owned for only 35% of the time I have been hunting big game. The tally by percent is as follows:
7mm-08, 37%
.270 Win. 18%
30-30, 16%
30-06, 14%
and the remaining 15% scattered between other calibers from .223 to .458. For me the 7mm-08 is the ideal balance of power, range and accuracy for deer sized game out to 250 yards. If I anticipate the range being longer I might switch to a .270, 30-06, 7mm Rem Mag or the .300 Win Mag. If it is a Blacktail trip at jungle distances then I might take the 30-30. Otherwise if the trip is for deer chances are it will be the 7mm-08. There are 15 or so rifles of suitable deer calibers in the gun safe right now but the 7mm-08 is almost always the first choice.

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from Ozark Hunter wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

jwallen 7mm-08 has taken more game?

I believe the Commercial Peterbilt and Kenworth Trucks has it beat!

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from jholmes wrote 4 years 1 week ago

I am also a great fan of 7/08. I bought a Remington XP100 in 7mm years ago and had it rechambered to 7/08. I have it scoped and use if for hunting Texas whitetail. It is just perfect for that. Even with the shorter barrel, I get good performance, good groupings, and single shot kills.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 1 week ago

My .35 Whelen has accounted for about 70% of game that I have taken, but it is far from the ideal whitetail rifle. It is just what was in-hand most of the time! The rest are split about even between the .308 and .30-06.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 1 week ago

PS: I have some sho'nuff 7mm's loaded on the bench waiting for the new scope to arrive. I hope to reach out and touch a big mule deer at the optimum 7mm-08 velocity of about 2,350 fps at ~200 yards, except I can hit with that velocity at almost 400 yards!

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from focusfront wrote 4 years 1 week ago

Sorry I got so late to this blog. I hunted for years in Wisconsin with .308s,.30-06s and .300 Winchesters, because that is what you use up there (unless you shoot levers, in which case you use .30-30 or .35, both of which I still have).

We have big deer in Wisconsin, and it always seemed to me that a .308 or .30-06 was almost too much gun. I remember one 150 pound doe in particular a guy in our party shot with a .308; the .308 practically blew a porthole through her chest.

Injuries and illness have sidelined me as a hunter. But DEP, you have talked me into it; WHEN I am healthy enough to take it up again, it will be with a left-handed Tikka or Savage, and the round will be 7mm-08.

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from jwallen wrote 4 years 1 week ago

Ozark Hunter, I may have confused you. These numbers are for me personally and not in general. Here in Alaska the 7mmm-08 is fairly uncommon. It is mostly seen as a youth or woman's round. It is a lot more effective than most people give it credit for. Locally the .338 Win Mag is probably the most used and almost everyone has at least one (and a scope cut to prove it).

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from WeatherbySven87 wrote 4 years 1 week ago

i have at my disposal a .300 weatherby(elk) a .257 roberts(deer) a .22-250(antelope, coyote) and a 30-30(deer obviously). all of which have been passed to me from my grandfathers passing. and without a shadow of a dought the first rifle i buy myself will be a 7mm-08. have used one on deer and antelope and just like the article says i have never had one run away. every shot has been near instant death. awesome round i highly reccomend it

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from WeatherbySven87 wrote 4 years 1 week ago

lol if i where to write why i like the 7mm-08 it would pretty much be a cut and paste of what dave just wrote. i borrowed an -08 to use antelope hunting and it was a particularly short and light rifle but the recoil felt almost like a .22 wich is almost nothing. i dont care what u wanna say but i like recoil. i dont know why but i love shooting my weatherby BECAUSE it kicks like hell. but the -08 has many virtues and almost no recoil is one of them. which even i will admit is nice in certain situations

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 1 week ago

WeatherbySven87

Sounds like you already have a near perfect big game battery! The 7mm-08 would just be icing on the cake.

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from Ozark Hunter wrote 4 years 1 week ago

jwallen your preaching to the choir! Fairbanks AK 86-90.

Are you a Member of TVSA in Fairbanks and happen to now Randy Pitney at the Fairbanks University of Alaska?

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from Ozark Hunter wrote 4 years 1 week ago

To own so many guns and to have so many choices if you was back in your dating years and those were all Women, you'd go insane!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 1 week ago

Someone asked me recently why I fool around with a 7mm Weatherby Magnum and not the 7mm Remington Mag or RUM.

Answer: Because I can!

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from Sarge01 wrote 4 years 1 week ago

I have owned 2 7MM-08's and I can say nothing bad about them but I always seem to go back to my 308. It seemed to me like there were a lot more bullet choices in 30 caliber.

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from Sarge01 wrote 4 years 1 week ago

I have owned 2 7MM-08;s but I seem to always go back to my 308.

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from Sarge01 wrote 4 years 1 week ago

Sorry for the double post I have been having problems with posting for over a week.

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from mountaindew732 wrote 4 years 1 week ago

i love my savage model 110 in 7mm-08. I personally feel its a great caliber and can certainly hold its own

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from dale freeman wrote 4 years 1 week ago

To "focus front"
Trust me. You'll not be disapointed.
Wait till you see the groups
Good luck with your health.

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from dale freeman wrote 4 years 1 week ago

To focusfront;
You'll not be disapointed.
Wait till you see the groups.
good luck with your health.

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from gdcook wrote 4 years 4 days ago

I am in the market for a new 7mm/08 rifle. Can you give me any guidance?

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from platte river rat wrote 4 years 1 day ago

I have never been a big fan of the .284 cal. except for the 280 Rem.. I have a Ruge #1B in 280 Rem that is one kick-a** rifle. When it comes to anything made from the 308 brass I lean to the 243 win., 260rem. and of course the great 308win. Not to say the 7/08 isn't any good, just like my choice better.

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from dale freeman wrote 4 years 18 hours ago

Like I said before, I've been hunting for 60 years and they can have all the expensive, name brand, bullets they want.
I've never seen the old "Core-lokt" fail, nor do i get any better groups from the "name brands">

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from 1uglymutha wrote 3 years 51 weeks ago

love my browning a-bolt. less than a minute of angle accuracy out of the box. 20 inch barrel. light and fast handling. mild recoil in 7mm-08. lots of elk taken every fall with this caliber here in colorado.

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from wlewisiii wrote 3 years 44 weeks ago

Well, thank you, Mr. Petzal, because of this column, I put a Marlin XS7 in 7mm-08 on layaway this weekend. I've been carrying an old Mauser 93 in 7x57 so I didn't need any help in deciding on staying with 7mm. But which one? This gave me just that little final push. SO thank you.

William

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from nonte wrote 3 years 18 weeks ago

Can't figure out where to post this question. I have a Thompson Center rifle chambered for the 30 TC. Looking at all the new reloading books there is nothing for reloading the 30 TC. Thompson Center does not offer any help. Hornady is the only company that loads for this caliber, yet I cannot find any reload data from them. Any suggestions where to look? Help please.

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from Drew McClure wrote 3 years 12 weeks ago

As shooters we are blessed with many choices, possibly too many. Not having the funds to buy a "bigger,better, Man-sized" gun I continue to drive nails with the same nail driving 243 I got when I was in a teenager. I recently dubbed it the "Meat Stick" and have found that cheap Remington ammo works, but I still have one of those black Win silver rounds in case a 400 lb deer gets loose from someone's "cattleless ranch" and heads my way. This 243 is quite a step up from the 22 magnum that has filled countless freezers in this and other states, by lung shooters.

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from Pecos Flats wrote 3 years 8 hours ago

I do not own a 7mm/08 but the round has always appealed to my 7mm addiction.

Being a big fan of Speer Grand Slam bullets, I'm guessing a 145-grain GS would be a good choice for all deer size game and in a pinch, elk, moose or black bear.

I may indeed make it my next rifle caliber.

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from dale freeman wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

For whatewver two cents is worth.
I've been hunting for 60 years and have gone through all the fads, same as you youngsters, and i've wound up with a Ruger 77, 7mm-08.
I hand load 120 grn. remington core-loks, and shoot three shots, one hole.
After all these years it is the rifle i love best.
Here, in Louisiana, this combo. is good for anything from Coyotes to gaters.

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from derf wrote 2 years 32 weeks ago

I love to read the ridiculous comments made on this site as to which gun is better than everything else.
The supposed fact that a 7mm08 is better than a 7 x 57 mauser is laughable at the very least. I can attest to the fact that many a deer have fallen to a single well placed shot from a 22 long rifle, 22 mag, 22-250, 44 mag, 45-70, 6.5 x 55 Swede, 30-30, 357 mag., 25-06 30-40 crags and yes the 7 x 57 mauser, and guess what? all them Deer are dead and eaten.
Does any serious shooter and hunter believe that the game that you are after read the paper ballistics charts? Does that 100 fps really matter? do you really make those 500 yard shots? Do you think those deer are armored. I have had many more rifles than the ones listed and they have all killed Deer, and rabitts, and Bear, and will kill just about anything else here in the lower 48.
If you like your rifle, good for you, but I can verify with certainty that anything a 7mm08 can do, the old 7 x 57 will do just as well. Remember the well placed shot is much more important than the wondergun you're toting; there ain't too much that is really new under the Sun. Derf

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from Bwana Hunter wrote 2 years 15 weeks ago

To 'jdcook': Have a serious look at the Sako Finnlight in 7mm-08. It's one exquisitively fine rifle! 22 7/16th inch stainless steel full size barrel - fluted for weight reduction and cooling. 70 degree bolt lift, semi-claw extractor, 5 + 1 cartridge capacity, a superior synthetic stock that just feels right in hoisting and shooting the firearm.

Easy sub-moa performance in my extended range shooting thus far with Hornady's Super Performance 139 gr SST ammo, among other selections.

Put good glass on it and you'll have one light carrying, super sweet shooting piece. Outdoor Life's firearms panel rates it "Excellent" in overall performance, and "Best In Class" by other similiar advisory authorities.

No regrets here, that's for sure. I couldn't ask for more matched with the 7mm-08 cartridge.

Best!/Bwana

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from W. Mathew Drumm wrote 1 year 1 week ago

My A-Bolt in 7-08 is 2nd favorite to my T3 in .308. I have had great success with whitetails using Nosler ballistic tips, esp. when I'm shooting in open ground across the corners of corn or soybean fields. My .308 is still my 1st choice when I'm shooting on terrain, because I know how to play with it in terms of hold-up and adjustment for wind, etc. But, if I scout one out that's fool enough to cross a field corner within 250-400 yards I'm bringing the 7-08 and he's going in the freezer.

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from Treestand wrote 29 weeks 6 days ago

Dave it good to see some one like you uses the Great 7mm/08 its all true great Caliber in my Rem /M 7-7mm/08 Compact.

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from Adam Thomas wrote 18 weeks 6 days ago

Just Bagged a Ten point buck this morning. Opening Day in Kansas. Shot him broadside at roughly 80 yards. Ran 30 yards and dropped dead. Had the same result with every animal ive shot.

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from Harold wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Dave,

I have used a 7X57 (as you say, a ballistic twin to the 7mm-08) for 40+ years. I use the 140 gr. bullet (Nosler partitions) that get about 2900fps in my handloads. This combo has accounted for 35 elk, 5 moose, 2 caribou, 1 sheep and I don't know how many antelope and deer. I've had the same experience as you have-everything drops quickly. Therefore, I've never had the desire to get anything larger. Perhaps you or someone here can enlighten me, but given today's bullets and powders, is there any reason to use anything larger than a 30-06 in the lower 48?

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from 60256 wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

I use 7mm-08 and I am glad that you wrote this article, because I have had the same performance out the ammo. Most of my deer drop on the spot, and never run very far if they do run.

Nate

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from davidpetzal wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

To Bluecollarkid: Nothing about any of this sounds normal. First, if you've sighted your 7x57 in to hit 2 or 3 inches high at 100 yards, it should be dead on or maybe an inch low at 200, not 8 to 18; That's off the charts.

When you see performance this erratic it's rarely the ammo; my guess is that your scope has dropped dead or that your bases are loose. Don't fool with ammo any more. First, check the base screws and then mount a new scope. When you've done that, shoot it with factory ammo and see what happens.

Or it could be the bedding screws. Are they tight?

Or it could be Beelzebub. If so, sell the rifle.

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from T.W. Davidson wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

All . . .

The 7x57 Mauser has become my favorite centerfire rifle cartridge. I have a Winchester Model 70 Featherweight in 7x57 with a 22" barrel that, after some serious tinkering by a gunsmith, shoots my handloads at a bit under 1" at 100, which suits me just fine.

There's an old gunshop in the town near where I live. I've been a familar face there for close to a decade. The old man who owns the shop likes me. Four or five years ago, the old man invited me to peruse through the huge (like probably 40' x 20') vault in the back of the shop, an invitation, I was told, made to very few. For a gun nut like me, that vault is hallowed ground filled with treasures to be discovered and stories to be written or told.

About three years ago the old man permitted me to sniff and snoop and dig around in the vault, flashlight in hand, for an entire morning. The experience was akin to what a priest must feel like the first time he looks up and sees the Sistine Chapel. In a wooden crate brought back from post WW-II Europe, I found a mint condition 1948 Czechoslovakian Bruno Mauser 98 large ring action. A gifted gunsmith somewhere back in time had mounted a sporter bolt and safety on the action and installed a custom trigger with a beautifully crisp 3.5 lb. pull. Lock time was incredibly fast. Bottom metal was gorgeous. I immediately swept the action in my arms and, like a dog with a fresh bone between its teeth, looked around suspiciously to guard it--nearly growling while doing so--from anyone who might try to take it from me. NFW.

At the time I had very little money to speak of (a situation that hasn't changed much since that time, I'm sad to say), but I managed to convince the old man shop owner to "save" the action for me. I put down a $100 deposit and the old man wrote my name on a tag and attached it to the action, then put the action in a small safe hidden under a shelf. He closed the safe door and spun the dial.

Last week I paid a few more dollars for the action and now it really is mine. Today I called Douglas barrels and ordered their best 24" #2 sporter barrel.

The caliber? 7x57 Mauser. Something I know and love. Something that works.

The people at Douglas are very nice, very knowledgable, and suggested I send them a case with a handloaded bullet in it (sans powder and primer) seated to the cartridge overall length I want, rather than to shorter SAMMI specs that could cause a heavy, long bullet to be seated with its base down past the neck of the cartridge, thus cutting down powder capacity. When I got home today, I went to my garage and seated a Berger VLD 140-grain match bullet to 3.2" overall length, then compared same with a Nosler 140-grain Accubond and Hornady 139-grain SST. All three bullets seat plenty deep into the neck even at 3.2" OAL, but none into the case body itself. Even a 120-grain Nosler Ballistic Tip can be seated (albeit with not a whole lot of bullet in the neck) very close to 3.2" OAL. I'm mailing off the Berger VLD dummy round in the morning.

Over the next several weeks I look forward to assisting my gunsmith in making the final chambering touches on the barrel and to headspacing it, as well as to bluing it. I've still got to find a composite or fiberglass straight comb stock--I welcome suggestions on this, by the way--for the future rifle to be. I can't wait to get the finished rifle out into the field and see how it will perform. I suspect it will perform incredibly well.

Expected cost? I'm guessing probably less than $1.5K, not including the cost of the stock. The old man shop owner gave me a very reasonable price on the action. The Douglas barrel is reasonably priced. And my gunsmith likes to teach, and I'm an avid student, so the cost there won't be too bad either, plus I'll learn a lot and have a lot of fun in the process.

For me, the 7x57 Mauser is a wonderful cartridge that, loaded non-wimpily and fired accurately, will take that elk I've also been dreaming about for the last several years. I've simply got to just go do it, as I'm now doing with the Bruno action and the Douglas barrel.
Great adventures ahead.

Thanks for your 7mm-08 article, Mr. P.

T.W. Davidson

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from salmonquest wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

I won a 7-08 at a RMEF dinner. I wasn't familiar with the cartridge and hastily sold it. Of course since then I've heard several good reports about what a splendid deer cartridge and I'm thinking the 120 grain might make a nice varmint gun. Although presumedly expensive to shoot. As with all gun sell. I'm regretting that one. Please don't write any more good articles about it. I'm hoping ignorance is bliss. :)

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from Jason Hart wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

WMH...

I think I will try the 120's for him. I am not particularly recoil sensitive now. I got that 308 when I was 10 and way too much gun, but my father had got the same gun for all three of his sons and that was that. I want my son to get into the outdoors, I just want to make sure he doesn't get a bad taste in his mouth because I tried to get him to use to much gun. Since I am not a huge fan of the .243, I see the 7mm/08 as the next logical step for him.

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from hi_tail wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

AMEN! Finally it's getting the attention it deserves! Dave is only scratching the surface of this phenomenal round. Indulge yourself and justify it later, you won't be disappointed. Great results from shorter/handier barrels, short-action quickness and rigidity, amazing ballistics and killing power. To reiterate Dave, more than this you do not need. Boy does it deliver! As a side note, you can now get a 7mm/08 in an AR platform... coyotes anyone??

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

DEP

Thanks. I hope to get 12 years out of mine! Then I'll go get me a 7mm-08! By then I'll have to change my moniker to FL Flatlandhunter.

WA Mtnhunter

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from Beekeeper wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Jason Hart,

My wife loves her 7-08 Browning Micro Hunter almost as much as she loves me...LOL! This is a very light weight rifle. She detests recoil! She shoots 140 grain Nosler Ballistic Tips with no trouble. She may take up my 7-08 load using the 120 grain Barnes Tipped TSX. A fine bullet/cartridge combo indeed.

Thanks Dave for speaking up for a fine cartridge!

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from davidpetzal wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

To WA Mtn Hunter: One is retired, one I sold. I am obliged to use as many different cartridges as possible, and can't stay with any one forever. But for about 12 years I used the hell out of two 7mm Weatherbys.

To JScottEvans: 20 inches. I wouldn't own or shoot any big game rifle with an 18-inch barrel, the one exception being the Marlin Guide Gun.

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from yod8181 wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Have used the 7mm-08 for 15+ years with both 140s (Nosler's 140 Solid Base is also my all-time favorite bullet for deer) and 120s with consistently good accuracy out of a 20" barrel and fine results on game. While certainly a mite heavy, the cartridge is indeed plently accurate for 'chucks beyond 300 yards, which is great practice for the fall although I have to admit I've yet to shoot a deer in PA beyond 130 yards...

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from davidpetzal wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

To JScottEvans: Forgot to answer a question. The 7mm/08 and 6.5/284 have different applications. The first is essentially a 300-yard-and-under cartridge; the second is 300 and over.

To LutherMarin1517: It certainly will. The Swedes use all kinds of what we consider small rifles to kill moose. If I were working up a dedicated 7mm/08 moose load, it would be a 160-grain Swift A-Frame, or a Barnes Triple X.

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from Amflyer wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Anyone who says that the 7-08 isn't enough for moose is out of their skull. I shot a moose one in heavy timber with my handloaded 120 gr Noslers. It was quartering away, and I only had a split second to throw the rifle up and squeeze off a shot. I pulled the shot aft, and it struck a 4-5 inch sapling, deflecting the bullet, which impacted the bull moose just left of center of the base of its spine. The bull dropped in his tracks.

When I skinned it out, the bullet had mushroomed perfectly, took out the left hip, continued forward severing the spine, rupturing the gallbladder, the splenic artery and finally taking out both lungs and the aorta. I recovered the Nosler just under the skin of the brisket area. Retained weight was about 110gr or so. Considering that this was a carom-shot, I think there is no question that the 7mm-08 is good for any mammal in North America! Shot placement is the key with today's bullets.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Jason Hart

I think you will find recoil comparable to your .308 Win with comparable weight bullets like a 125 gr Remington managed Recoil or 130 grain Hornady SP handloaded to a moderate velocity. With the similar amount of powder in the same case size, it's all about bullet weight. A friend of mine's daughter (16) complained about recoil with the 140's in her 7-08 but not the 120's. Must have made some difference.

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from MLH wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Jason - might also consider the .260 Rem.

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from Jason Hart wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

MLH...

I have considered the .260 Rem and I am just not a big fan of it. Not a large selection of rifles to chose from and ammunition to chose from.

WMH...

I already have a honey of a deer rifle it is my .270 that is a Ruger Hawkeye with a hogue stock on it. MOA with most factory ammo in 130gr and topped off with a Leupold VX-III 3.5x10x40. However I was considering getting myself a 7mm/08 when I got my rifle upon return from Afghanistan. Who knows I may get both of us one upon return from the next deployment.

Bee...

Sounds like an awesome combo for anything I would hunt.

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from tjhawk wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Try the 120 GR ttsx's that Barnes makes. You will never look back, and you can get 3000 fps with these.

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from Mock1 wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

I'll take my 25-06 over the 7-08. on second thought, maybe I should go buy one just in case I might change my mind :)

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from Happy Myles wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

I have owned two 7mm-08, both great rifles. One I donated for a black tie charity auction where it brought twice what I paid for it, and I wish I had it back. Like a great dog, quiet, efficient, always there when you need it. My granddaughters first "big rifle" with which she is deadly.

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from jwallen wrote 4 years 1 week ago

Ozark Hunter, I may have confused you. These numbers are for me personally and not in general. Here in Alaska the 7mmm-08 is fairly uncommon. It is mostly seen as a youth or woman's round. It is a lot more effective than most people give it credit for. Locally the .338 Win Mag is probably the most used and almost everyone has at least one (and a scope cut to prove it).

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from BowtechWVU wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Ive never used a 7mm-08 but it sounds like a interesting gunt to hunt whitetail with

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from jscottevans wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Do you like it more than the 6.5/284?

And how short of a barrel are we talking on the performance? 18"? 20"?

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from LutherMartin1517 wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

I have read that Swedes drop moose with the 6.5 swede. Will the 7mm/08 drop a moose?

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from whitedemon wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

can i say i have a rem. model 25 in 32-20 for sale on here whitedemo@aol.com i don't know honestly

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from jscottevans wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

OK, thank you Mr. Petzal.

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from steve182 wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

I agree, a great deer cartridge indeed.

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from Jason Hart wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

I had never heard much of the 7mm/08 until Mr Petzel wrote his article about all of the best big game calibers. After that I began to hear a lot more about it and just recently decided on getting one for my son in the Marlin XS7. I think it will be a good starting gun for him as it will not kick the snot out of him like my first gun did a light weight .308 Winchester.

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from JW7MM-08 wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

I have used this round for 10 yrs and have taken over 25 whitetails, 5 wild hogs, and a black bear with it. The longest one went after being hit was 90yds, and that was my fault. I carry it in the Rem model 7 stainless/synthetic and keep an vx III on top of it. I own 5 other deer rifles including an A-bolt and Vangaurd, and they respectively sit in the safe pretty much all fall. Confindence in your rifle makes you a better hunter in my opinion, and I have all the confidence in the world in this one.

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from cgaston53 wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

In my short deer hunting career (4 years to date), I've killed 12 of my 14 deer with a Rem700 in 7mm-08. It loves the plain old Remington Express Cor-Lokt 140grain PSPs and shoots them sub-MOA. I've never had a deer run more than 30 yards nor require more than one bullet.

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from bberg7794 wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

I just purchased my first 7mm-08 and took a whitetail buck with it last season. I believe the 7mm-08 will make a better shooter out of most people, because it is so fun to shoot that people will want to practice more. It has plenty of killing power like the Scandinavian hunters know from the 6.5x55. I am an experienced hunter and have shot many hundreds of rounds from larger caliber rifles. This rifle is now my go-to for anything in the US with the exception of areas where Grizz and Brown Bears are present.

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from Proverbs wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Dave P. - do you know why Federal discontinued the Fail Safe? I have a theory, but am interested if you know for sure.

In 1998 I harvested a massive bull with a Fail Safe 180 gr (.30-06). The measured distance (GPS) was 316 yards. This was the first time I used Fail-Safe in the field, and it made an impression on me. The bull went down like it was struck by lightning. The bullet went into its right shoulder and exited after creating incredible bone and tissue damage. In fact, I'm pretty sure parts of the right shoulder bone exited.

Soon after that I was participating in a recreational military-style shooting match organized by a local sportsman's club. My good friend was in charge, and after the match he agreed to let me try this Fail-Safe load at the 3/8"-thick steel plate at the 300-yard station. As suspected, the bullet passed completely through. Several of the shooters attending the match were surprised it was a hunting round.

Since it was discontinued, I've been wondering if the gov. may have asked Federal to reconsider this load. Your thoughts? By the way, I've been hoarding my Fail-Safes, too. Just in case I go Africa.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Proverbs

Try a Barnes TSX or MRX in your desired weight. As good or better than Fail-Safes. Same expansion in the nose.

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from wingshooter54 wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

For several years I hunted with a Remington 700 mountain rifle in 7mm/08. No Texas whitetail or exotic traveled more than 15-20 yards and most dropped DRT (dead right there) with the Remington factory 140 corelokt load. It would put three of those under and around an inch from that pencil barrel most every time providing I did my part. Sadly, I traded it off; such is the curse of being a gun nut, but I would gladly take it back. I replaced it with a 700 mountain rifle in .260 Remington (no longer chambered in that model) and the results on deer size game has been virtually the same with maybe a little more DRT. I remember an article you wrote Dave, on your favorite whitetail rifle which was a Jarret rebarreled Ultra Light Arms in 7mm/08 improved. You claimed it was the one you reached for when someone said, "Let's go deer hunting."

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from Mark-1 wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

I don't understand why 7-08 performs as described in this blog, but it does. I'm a 7 x 57 fan. It would seem the 7 x 57 would be superior to the 7-08 due larger case size just has the 30-06 be superior to 308 due case size. It's a mystery to me. It seems anything bullet heavier than 145-grains has to be seated deep.

In 7mm Mauser I settled on 160, 140, and 115 weight bullets. The 115 Speer hollow was wonderful for woodchucks. Any good 140-grain bullet worked. For the bigger stuff I'd use the 160's.

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from fmenning wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

I've owned a Browning BLR 7mm/08 since '84. I have shot elk and deer with it using 165 gr Grand Slam handloads. This rifle/caliber is a great deer and lightweight mountain rifle here in Idaho/Utah. This rifle should not be a primary choice elk/moose/bear rifle where knockdown power should be the ethical consideration. I use either a .338WM or a .300WM on these. Also, unless you handload use Premium ammo--I learned this the hard way!

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from dercat wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Yes, I have one. I bought it hoping to get one of my Kids active in hunting or shooting. I have one daughter who goes but doesn't hunt. Gun is a dream to shoot. less recoil recoil than a 7 Rem Mag or a 300 Ultra. Very accurate, short barrel with right load and reasonable range I wouldn't be afraid of not being able to harvest any thing in the lower 48. I'd like to try on Elk but haven't had the opportunity to tag along. On deer works well with 140 grn Walmart Remington loads. Handloads make it one of the most accurate rifles I have ever shot. Underated--Isn't the big thing the ability to go and when you do to shoot straight?

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from stanleyda wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

My nephew loves his new browning X Bolt in 7mm/08, we loaded 120gr Barnes TTXS for it. I had told him the same thing BeeKeeper said, If your gun likes or loves this bullet count yourself lucky and it will be be all you'll ever need. The gun does like these bullets,even when cleaning between shots (barrel break in)10 of the 12 rounds were moa or less. With RL 15 the barnes manuel says 3081fps, 24" barrel. A 22" barrel should be around 3000fps. Sweet gun, if you didn't know better the recoil would make you think it was a 243win.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Dave,
May you be the "Jack O'Conner" of the 7mm/08?
(Just sayin` you gotta camp load of fans out here Dave)
I like this cartridge as well, but I think my next quest will be the .260 Rem.

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from Ferber wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Comment to Harold, et al. You've shot more beasts with the 7x57 than I and I'm not the least bit surprised with your results. I have only one 7mm/08 and one 7x57 and have, with the 140-grain bullet made all one-shot kills on elk, Scotish stags, white-tail and mule deer, and some African plains game--with the 7x57. The rifle is a left-handed Rigby, and with either handloads or good factory ammo shoots only (very) slightly less accurately than my 7mm/08. I've only shot two deer with the latter, and like the Rigby, the animals didn't get up again. A fine, easy-shooting caliber, the 7mm/08, and I agree with Dave. But I use my 7x57 often because it's prettier and I know well this particular rifle.

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from davidpetzal wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

To Wingshooter 54: The Ultrajarrett (or Jarrettlite) was given to a deserving young man in the Midwest who is left-handed and did not have a left-hand rifle. It's been replaced by an Ed Brown 7mm/08.

To Jim in MO: I can find no logic in why some cartridges succeed and others don't. None.

To Ozark Hunter: I have no experience with Burris equipment. They do not get in touch with me, nor I with them. I bear them no ill will, and I presume they make good stuff.

To T.W. Davidson: I enjoy your posts, but it's Brno, not Bruno. Any language that can get along without vowels deserves some respect.

To Ralph the Rifleman: I'm not mean enough by half to be the Jack O'Connor of anything, but I am in favor of cartridges that don't kick a lot. If I want to be Jack O'Connor I will have to start kicking puppies, or poisoning orphanage wells. Time is running out.

And more about the Fail-Safe: I heard from many sources that the bullet was "inaccurate." I never saw that personally. I've heard the same thing about Swift A-Frames, and it's a crock. But the Fail-Safe is a highly complex bullet, and there are now slugs that will do the same thing but are much simpler, and therefore less likely to go weird. The Barnes XXX series comes to mind.

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from davidpetzal wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

To Wingshooter 54: The Ultrajarrett (or Jarrettlite) was given to a deserving young man in the Midwest who is left-handed and did not have a left-hand rifle. It's been replaced by an Ed Brown 7mm/08.

To Jim in MO: I can find no logic in why some cartridges succeed and others don't. None.

To Ozark Hunter: I have no experience with Burris equipment. They do not get in touch with me, nor I with them. I bear them no ill will, and I presume they make good stuff.

To T.W. Davidson: I enjoy your posts, but it's Brno, not Bruno. Any language that can get along without vowels deserves some respect.

To Ralph the Rifleman: I'm not mean enough by half to be the Jack O'Connor of anything, but I am in favor of cartridges that don't kick a lot. If I want to be Jack O'Connor I will have to start kicking puppies, or poisoning orphanage wells. Time is running out.

And more about the Fail-Safe: I heard from many sources that the bullet was "inaccurate." I never saw that personally. I've heard the same thing about Swift A-Frames, and it's a crock. But the Fail-Safe is a highly complex bullet, and there are now slugs that will do the same thing but are much simpler, and therefore less likely to go weird. The Barnes XXX series comes to mind.

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from dale freeman wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Has anybody noticed how we seem to meander back to the "less recoil", less blast as we mature.
I have been hunting for 60 years and, I too, went through the "thunder######" and right back to the 7mm=08.
What a pleasure to shoot, and observe, minute shot groups, without all that "thunder####ing" noise and recoil.
I now shoot a Ruger M77, 7mm-08 and prefer it over the 1 thousand plus guns I've went through.

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from jwallen wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

I too keep notes and the 7mm-08 has taken more game in my forty-two years of big game hunting than any other caliber. I have only one rifle in 7mm-08 but it has taken 53% of all the deer and 37% of all the big game animals even though it was owned for only 35% of the time I have been hunting big game. The tally by percent is as follows:
7mm-08, 37%
.270 Win. 18%
30-30, 16%
30-06, 14%
and the remaining 15% scattered between other calibers from .223 to .458. For me the 7mm-08 is the ideal balance of power, range and accuracy for deer sized game out to 250 yards. If I anticipate the range being longer I might switch to a .270, 30-06, 7mm Rem Mag or the .300 Win Mag. If it is a Blacktail trip at jungle distances then I might take the 30-30. Otherwise if the trip is for deer chances are it will be the 7mm-08. There are 15 or so rifles of suitable deer calibers in the gun safe right now but the 7mm-08 is almost always the first choice.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

DEP

Are you getting soft? Whatever happened to your 7mm Weatherby magnum? LOL

Best regards

WAM

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from Ozark Hunter wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

I'm not a fan of the 7mm-08 or even the .284 cal, but I'm not going to knock it ether. As before with the 6.5-284 discussion versus the 260 Remington. If 7mm-08 is not available in your area, at least there is an over abundance of 308 brass to reload.

Kinda nice not having that fella playing "SLUG BUG" hitting your shoulder all the time with the every sighting of a Volks Wagon. Maybe not relevant to the discussion, but worth mentioning.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Is that Hillary Clinton? LOL

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from whitedemon wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

they forgot about the rem. 770 300 mag i can reach out and touch you at 500 yards i mean a deer on top ten guns

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from DickSmith wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Though I have a short barreled 7-08 I have never gotten "the shot". I do like it's performance though. I have taken some mule deer with the 7-57 I built for my wife. With a 24 inch barrel I get 3000 fps with a 140 grain Sierra Hunter. The bullet has never exited though made it to the opposite side, stopping just under the skin. The heart has blown up three time even when only the aorta was hit. A long quartering trajectory through the lungs turned them to mush. My sons have taken mule deer with their 7-57 short barreled rifles I built for them with similar results. They get 2750 fps out of a 19 inch barrel with the same 140 grain bullet. All velocities are chronographed.

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from MLH wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Trying to sway some votes going into the final minutes of the Final Four? Pulling this out against the .30-06 would be a miracle of miracles.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Jason

Good call! If he ever gets tired of the 7mm-08 and "up-guns" to a big magnum, guess what? You got a honey of a deer rifle!

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from bluecollarkid wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

All right ladies and gentlemen, DEP especially, while were on the topic of .284 diameter cartridges, I have a question. I recently found out, due to a number of near misses whilst shooting at deer this past year, that I am getting anywhere between 8" and 18" of bullet drop at 200 yds from my 7x57 shooting 140gr. spitzers with 44 grains of 4350 behind it(not sure of the bullet maker at the mo). I purchased a box of 162 gr. Hornaday Boat-tail ballistic tips and received nice groupings at 200 yds. with 43 grains of 4350 behind it. Sounds like problem solved, right?

Well, I had a few of the 140 gr. catridges left so I decided to give em a second try. After firing 4 shots, I found that I had almost no bullet drop at 200 yds!? Something isn't right.

Ok so what confuses me is that during last years hunt I fired at a deer approx. 175 yds away, aimed at the upper should tip, and cut his white hairs on his belly (no blood, just hair - tracked to make sure it wasn't a slow-bleeder - no blood after a 1/4 mile). Now I'm not seeing any bullet drop at all? What gives?

So my questions to the board are as follows: 1. Can you suggest anything that would account for the unusual bullet drop? 2. Can you suggest any loads that work for you in 7x57 at distances of 100 yds to 300 yds? Look forward to hearing from ya'all.

By the by, all round testing was done from a bench rest at a measured range. Also, with the 140 gr. bullets, I can make them touch each other lovingly at 100 yds so I'm discounting the shooter as the major cause of the problem.

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from ishawooa wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

I have owned a custom made 7 mm-08 for a couple decades. Actually the rifle did replace my older 6.5x.284 and has performed extremely well for any task asked of it. My son has killed many deer and one antelope with it (the only license he has ever drawn) in addition to other animals easily dispatched by me or friends. As I have said before a neighbor's wife will use no other round on anything with hair and four legs. She has a room full of trophies up to elk and moose to back up her feelings. I also only use 140 gr. bullets as the chronograph demonstrates expected and consistant velocities, the target excellent one hole ragged groups, and the critters drop dead with one shot. The single exception was a fair sized mule deer that my son shot at about 125 yards with a 140 gr. Nosler Ballistic Tip when they first came out. The deer ran about 50 yards over the ridge and fell kicking. He shot it again as darkness was approaching in the mountains. I left the site feeling that the Ballistic Tips were a bit fragile so went back to Partitions and Gamekings.
Although this is not my favorite cartridge I think I could get by quite well henceforth if it was the only one I possessed.

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from JW7MM-08 wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

To cgaston53: I used the factory 140gr core-lokts for a long time until my friend had a factory rem 06 round misfire on a nice 8 point. Now I handload 140gr core-lokts and actually get better preformance out of the rifle. One inch high at 100 means to me effective out past 300.

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from Proverbs wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Have mercy on me. I mean Winchester. The only thing that even comes close to the Fail-Safe is the Federal Trophy Bonded Bear Claw, and I can't find that anymore, either.

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from wetland man wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Right before I got married 18 year ago, I had my gunsmith revitalize my Rem 700 ADL chambered in .243 Win. We rebarreled using a stainless Shilen barrel, chambered for 7mm-08 Rem, and put the whole rig into a Pacific Research black synthetic stock. The reciever was given a Electroless Nickle finish and an aluminum BDL floorplate added. A Jewel trigger and a 3x-9x Swarovski scope. I've taken many deer with the 7mm08. I love to handload for the rifle and consider it the finest cartridge for deer sized game shooting Nosler Partitions/Accubonds. I also have an original Rem 788 Carbine which came out the same year that Rem introduced the cartridge!

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from wetland man wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Right before I got married 18 year ago, I had my gunsmith revitalize my Rem 700 ADL chambered in .243 Win. We rebarreled using a stainless Shilen barrel, chambered for 7mm-08 Rem, and put the whole rig into a Pacific Research black synthetic stock. The reciever was given a Electroless Nickle finish and an aluminum BDL floorplate added. A Jewel trigger and a 3x-9x Swarovski scope. I've taken many deer with the 7mm08. I love to handload for the rifle and consider it the finest cartridge for deer sized game shooting Nosler Partitions/Accubonds. I also have an original Rem 788 Carbine which came out the same year that Rem introduced the cartridge!

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from Jim in Mo wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Dave,
I'm glad I had the patience to wait for my post to bluecollarkid and I got to read your response. As I read his post it sounded like me years ago. I was changing and checking everything (and missing deer) but the scope. My Bushnell had hit the dust.
It is curious of the lack of support toward the 7-08. Factory ammo is loaded faster than the 7x57, litigation reasons, handloads are the same as mentioned caliber and both have a millimeter designation but people accept the 7x57, maybe for nostalgic reasons, and the 7mm mag took off and hasn't slowed down in sales. I thought Americans were over the mm stigma. Any thoughts?

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from HamlettRB wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

To bluecollarkid: DEP is right, probably scope or mounts. After you check mounts and screws (do not overtighten). Sight in at 100yards at highest power (14), 3 inches high sounds right for 7mm/08. After you get a good group, set scope to lowest power (4.5) and fire 3 more rounds, make sure this group does not move significantly. If the group does not move, try the middle power setting. If scope is okay, try pushing on one side of the scope with your fingers, then shoot a few more rounds, then try pushing the other side and try 3 more rounds. Sometimes the mounts are made of soft metal that will not spring back. I have some soft mounts sitting in a drawer, ought to throw them away! I sighted in a friend's Rem770 in 7mm/08 a few months ago and the scope at 3 power printed 2 inches higher than at 9 power at 100 yards!

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from Carney wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

DAVE PETZAL,

Just go out and shoot up that last box of Fail Safe ammo. Enjoy the fact that these are your last -- much like enjoying a last cigarette before you quit. Otherwise, who knows what could happen? Maybe your grandkids will be on PBS's "Antiques Roadshow"... "I got this box of bullets. Been in my family for two generations...."

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Hark! Is that a ghost I see?
No, it is only he,
Dressed as Hillary C.!

LOL

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from Bill Mason wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

I greatly appreciate the virtures of a 139gr SST .284 traveling at 2750 fps (mean velocity, chronographed) for a 300yd rifle enough that I load 52.5 grs of RL-15 in my Remington 7600 .280. If I do my part the rifle will shoot sub MOA at 100yds. The trigger does S**K though.

Dave, I took your sage advice several years ago about a Remington 7600 .280 being a highly underated rifle that could be purchased reasonably at a gun show and bought one. It was practically NIB with the SPS finish but when I started to shoot the rifle, it would chamber a round, but the action would not quite lock causing the rifle not to fire; even reducing the overall length of the cartridge did not help. I knew why I got a deal!! Remington's customer service could not or would not help.

So the question was... why will this rifle not completely chamber a round and lock the action?? Perhaps something is in the chamber that is causing the problem...

I inserted a cleaning rod in the through the barrel and attached a .45 brass pistol brush and scrubbed he Holy s**t out of the chamber. It worked !!

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from fng wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

hello Master Petzal
(using it as an honorific, sir). I recently got a 6.5x55 Swede Tikka Varminter and boy does it shoot! was wondering what kind of makes of factory 6.5 ammo you would recommend. 140 grain winchester power points went into 2/4 of an inch consistently, and Im trying out some Norma 140 grain Nosler soft points. Much appreciated!

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from ingebrigtsen wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

I do not love the 7mm-08! My 308 can do anything it can do with cheaper ammo in abundant supply. dont see the point of it. Its just a newish 7x57 fitted to a shorter action..
A 25-08 with an ackley shoulder would be interesting though ;)

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from O Garcia wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

the official reasons given for the discontinuing of the Fail Safe line is that the steel cup which keeps the shape of the shank more or less intact (thus keeping its terminal sectional density high and allowing it to penetrate deep) also causes pressure to spike up. the composite make up of the bullet (copper, steel, lead) and the complex construction also makes it less accurate (in some rifles, I suppose).

it's probably just too damn expensive to make. if it was discontinued for political reasons, it should have been earlier, when it was still called the Black Talon.
just my guess, anyway.

I don't think the XP3 which replaced the FS is its equivalent.

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from davidpetzal wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

To Proverbs: Sorry I missed you above. The Fail-Safe was discontinued for purely economic reasons. It was a very complicated bullet to make, and therefore expensive, and people weren't buying enough of them to justify its continued production. Also, new technologies came along that made it obsolete.

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from KJ wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

To Jim in MO: Just to add a thought on why the 7mm-08 isn't a huge commercial hit - I have a hunch people don't see much reason to mess with the .308. Really, there isn't a huge performance difference, and the .308 is so good, why take a (perceived) step down? Personally, I doubt there is a "perfect" deer cartridge, but the 7mm-08 has to be included in the discussion of "ideal" cartridges, and coupled with the right rifle would be pretty close to a great "all-around" hunting rig.

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from Doug Mork wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Just built a 7mm-08 Ackley Imp off a Interarms Mark X action.Has a 20" barrel and Bell and Carlson stock.So far with none formed brass it shots under MOA.Cant wait to load the formed brass.Should be the perfect lite carry gun for anything I can hunt in ND.

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from nelsol wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

About time DEP. Jut to refresh an aging man's memory, you recommended the 7mm-08 on or about 10 years ago stating, and I quote "It speaks softly, and just knocks stuff flat". I went right out and bought the Browning A-bolt composite hunter, topped it with a Sightron SII 3x-9 scope, and have never regretted the decision. Nor will I ever part with that rifle. 10 years, 10 shots (140 grain WW Supreme Ballistic Tips and 140 grain Federal Nosler Accubonds), and 10 DRT whitetails at ranges of as close as 8 feet (he almost ran me over) out to 220 yards. Great round that gives a shooter confidence.

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from ishawooa wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Actually I always thought the 7mm/08 was created by and maintained its existance mostly for the benefit of the silouette shooters and paper punchers. The rest of us who are hunters and use it are merely a small cadre of folks who are weary of more common garden variety cartridges. Like the above post stated the .308 does the job just as well. I remember that I selected my 7 mm/08 because everyone else didn't have one, it fit a medium length action, and I figured my kids would like to shoot it. I got the idea by watching the local target addicts and hearing their comments.

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from Bernie wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

bluecollarkid: I had a custom 7 x 57 built in the late 1980s on a pre-'64 Model 70 action with Shilen barrel and am most fond of it. I only have used the rifle on deer, but it has been a wonderful deer cartridge with either 140-grain Nosler Partitions or 139-grain Hornady Spire-Points ahead of 45 grains of IMR-4320.

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from talred11 wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

One year ago my son who was 12 y.o. drew a New Mexico hunt for Oryx. He is very recoil sensitive so I researched and found the 7mm-08 to be his best option. Oryx are notoriously a difficult animal to take down. He had a quartering away shot on the second day at a nice bull at 96 yards with a 140 grain Barnes TSX bullet and it performed amazingly well. We recovered the bullet which had a 98% weight retention and mushroomed to .650". This is a great caliber for small framed hunters.

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from Ozark Hunter wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

jwallen 7mm-08 has taken more game?

I believe the Commercial Peterbilt and Kenworth Trucks has it beat!

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from jholmes wrote 4 years 1 week ago

I am also a great fan of 7/08. I bought a Remington XP100 in 7mm years ago and had it rechambered to 7/08. I have it scoped and use if for hunting Texas whitetail. It is just perfect for that. Even with the shorter barrel, I get good performance, good groupings, and single shot kills.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 1 week ago

My .35 Whelen has accounted for about 70% of game that I have taken, but it is far from the ideal whitetail rifle. It is just what was in-hand most of the time! The rest are split about even between the .308 and .30-06.

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from focusfront wrote 4 years 1 week ago

Sorry I got so late to this blog. I hunted for years in Wisconsin with .308s,.30-06s and .300 Winchesters, because that is what you use up there (unless you shoot levers, in which case you use .30-30 or .35, both of which I still have).

We have big deer in Wisconsin, and it always seemed to me that a .308 or .30-06 was almost too much gun. I remember one 150 pound doe in particular a guy in our party shot with a .308; the .308 practically blew a porthole through her chest.

Injuries and illness have sidelined me as a hunter. But DEP, you have talked me into it; WHEN I am healthy enough to take it up again, it will be with a left-handed Tikka or Savage, and the round will be 7mm-08.

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from WeatherbySven87 wrote 4 years 1 week ago

i have at my disposal a .300 weatherby(elk) a .257 roberts(deer) a .22-250(antelope, coyote) and a 30-30(deer obviously). all of which have been passed to me from my grandfathers passing. and without a shadow of a dought the first rifle i buy myself will be a 7mm-08. have used one on deer and antelope and just like the article says i have never had one run away. every shot has been near instant death. awesome round i highly reccomend it

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from Sarge01 wrote 4 years 1 week ago

I have owned 2 7MM-08's and I can say nothing bad about them but I always seem to go back to my 308. It seemed to me like there were a lot more bullet choices in 30 caliber.

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from mountaindew732 wrote 4 years 1 week ago

i love my savage model 110 in 7mm-08. I personally feel its a great caliber and can certainly hold its own

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from Bwana Hunter wrote 2 years 15 weeks ago

To 'jdcook': Have a serious look at the Sako Finnlight in 7mm-08. It's one exquisitively fine rifle! 22 7/16th inch stainless steel full size barrel - fluted for weight reduction and cooling. 70 degree bolt lift, semi-claw extractor, 5 + 1 cartridge capacity, a superior synthetic stock that just feels right in hoisting and shooting the firearm.

Easy sub-moa performance in my extended range shooting thus far with Hornady's Super Performance 139 gr SST ammo, among other selections.

Put good glass on it and you'll have one light carrying, super sweet shooting piece. Outdoor Life's firearms panel rates it "Excellent" in overall performance, and "Best In Class" by other similiar advisory authorities.

No regrets here, that's for sure. I couldn't ask for more matched with the 7mm-08 cartridge.

Best!/Bwana

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from Ozark Hunter wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

For the average hunter for the average range, the 7mm-08 a pretty good cartridge. Then again, anything past 300 yards rainbows like hell unless you have one of Davids 30 cal Thunder******* and according to the ballistic calculator, you zero it in at 400 yards!

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from Ozark Hunter wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

FYI: found 6.5-284 in my new 2010 Master Catalog fom one of my Candy Stores.

Page 118 Midsouth Shooters

Hornady (50) $46.69

Nosler Custom (50) $54.29

Lapua (100) $124.84

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from Ozark Hunter wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

David, Just flipped to the back page and not being a fan of Burris, this caught my eye. Burris Eliminator Laserscope. No fuss, no muss, just aim and shoot. What you think?

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from bluecollarkid wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

DEP,

Thanks for the suggestions. I will look into it and see where is goes. Maybe it is the scope. I must say, though, that I just put a brand new Nikon Buckmaster 4.5x14x30 SF on it. Hopefully, if it is the scope, Nikon will back its warranty.

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from Ozark Hunter wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

I tell'ya what, you can have any cartridge you want, I'll enjoy using my Bow more with 151 days to hunt ;)

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from kudukid wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Dave,
Regarding your paltry muzzle speeds with this cartridge:

This is not unusual, in fact it's the norm. The only factory offering I've seen reach advertised performance has been the 222 Rem. (Sako L46 24 in. bbl.)

Example: 3 shots 270 Win. Ptd. Core Lokt 130 gr.2793, 2800, 2872 (Win. Fwt. pre 64)
Example: Same rifle Win. PowerPoint 130 gr. 2706, 2708, 2738
Example: Remington RN Core Lokt 180 gr. in Springfield 30/06 22 in. bbl. 2446, 2468, 2475
Example: Same rifle 150 gr. Ptd. Core Lokt 2787, 2792, 2792, 2858, 2867
Example: Biesen 25/06 Douglas Premium 24 in. bbl Rem. 120 gr. 2799, 2802, 2837,
Example: Rem. 700 24 in. with orig. Hart SS 24 in. bbl. 2912, 2914, 2967

None of these barrels have been shot much...certainly not more than 1,000 rounds in any save the Springfield and that not over 2,000.

Use factory trajectories for anything remotely long-range and you will be kicking up a lot of dust.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Dave Petzal

While I think the 7mm-08 is a cartridge of merit, it is sure getting it's ass handed to it in the Hurteau Whitetail Elite Eight voting! Much like it did to the .30 Rem AR. I'm sure our friend Gentleman Jim is sulking at the .260 Rem's first round loss! LOL

I have a Burris Signature Select 3-12x44mm scope coming next week. I'll let you know how it works out. Only my second non-gold ring scope in years.

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from Amflyer wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Jeez, no one bit on my April 1st post about the mighty carom-shot. Well, I tried.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Amflyer

There is so much 'Pelosi' spread on here that I hardly noticed! Happy Easter!

WAM

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from Beekeeper wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Stanleyda,

3010 with that load in a 22 inch Stainless Savage 116. In my rifel that load will cut clover leafs on the target. Never had one stay in a deer or feral hog.

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from O Garcia wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

kudukid,

you're gonna break a lot of hearts with those velocity numbers. the .270 Win is supposed to push 3,000fps :)

but hey, if you were aiming dead on and the deer dropped, what's 200fps below spec, right?

a lot of deer/game cartridges shorter than .30-06 length all got pushed by the wayside, I think. The .243 and .308 being the exceptions, of course.

and DP is right, there is no logic at all as to why some cartridges become commercial successes and some do not.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

KJ,
Your probably right.

Bill Mason,
I had that same problem in an 760 Rem. 30-06. Bought it at a gun show, obviously used but in good shape for the money. On the second box of shells the slide wouldn't lock on closing. I took it to my gunsmith and he fixed it for $40. With not much explanation he said someone had tried to do some home gunsmithing on it. Glad I offered $25 less than asking price. I love the gun.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Dave P.-
I don't approve of kicking puppies, or poisoning anything, but you can still shoot animals afire and that I do approve of!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 1 week ago

PS: I have some sho'nuff 7mm's loaded on the bench waiting for the new scope to arrive. I hope to reach out and touch a big mule deer at the optimum 7mm-08 velocity of about 2,350 fps at ~200 yards, except I can hit with that velocity at almost 400 yards!

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from WeatherbySven87 wrote 4 years 1 week ago

lol if i where to write why i like the 7mm-08 it would pretty much be a cut and paste of what dave just wrote. i borrowed an -08 to use antelope hunting and it was a particularly short and light rifle but the recoil felt almost like a .22 wich is almost nothing. i dont care what u wanna say but i like recoil. i dont know why but i love shooting my weatherby BECAUSE it kicks like hell. but the -08 has many virtues and almost no recoil is one of them. which even i will admit is nice in certain situations

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 1 week ago

WeatherbySven87

Sounds like you already have a near perfect big game battery! The 7mm-08 would just be icing on the cake.

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from Ozark Hunter wrote 4 years 1 week ago

jwallen your preaching to the choir! Fairbanks AK 86-90.

Are you a Member of TVSA in Fairbanks and happen to now Randy Pitney at the Fairbanks University of Alaska?

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from Ozark Hunter wrote 4 years 1 week ago

To own so many guns and to have so many choices if you was back in your dating years and those were all Women, you'd go insane!

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from Sarge01 wrote 4 years 1 week ago

I have owned 2 7MM-08;s but I seem to always go back to my 308.

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from Sarge01 wrote 4 years 1 week ago

Sorry for the double post I have been having problems with posting for over a week.

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from dale freeman wrote 4 years 1 week ago

To "focus front"
Trust me. You'll not be disapointed.
Wait till you see the groups
Good luck with your health.

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from dale freeman wrote 4 years 1 week ago

To focusfront;
You'll not be disapointed.
Wait till you see the groups.
good luck with your health.

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from gdcook wrote 4 years 4 days ago

I am in the market for a new 7mm/08 rifle. Can you give me any guidance?

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from platte river rat wrote 4 years 1 day ago

I have never been a big fan of the .284 cal. except for the 280 Rem.. I have a Ruge #1B in 280 Rem that is one kick-a** rifle. When it comes to anything made from the 308 brass I lean to the 243 win., 260rem. and of course the great 308win. Not to say the 7/08 isn't any good, just like my choice better.

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from dale freeman wrote 4 years 18 hours ago

Like I said before, I've been hunting for 60 years and they can have all the expensive, name brand, bullets they want.
I've never seen the old "Core-lokt" fail, nor do i get any better groups from the "name brands">

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from 1uglymutha wrote 3 years 51 weeks ago

love my browning a-bolt. less than a minute of angle accuracy out of the box. 20 inch barrel. light and fast handling. mild recoil in 7mm-08. lots of elk taken every fall with this caliber here in colorado.

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from wlewisiii wrote 3 years 44 weeks ago

Well, thank you, Mr. Petzal, because of this column, I put a Marlin XS7 in 7mm-08 on layaway this weekend. I've been carrying an old Mauser 93 in 7x57 so I didn't need any help in deciding on staying with 7mm. But which one? This gave me just that little final push. SO thank you.

William

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from nonte wrote 3 years 18 weeks ago

Can't figure out where to post this question. I have a Thompson Center rifle chambered for the 30 TC. Looking at all the new reloading books there is nothing for reloading the 30 TC. Thompson Center does not offer any help. Hornady is the only company that loads for this caliber, yet I cannot find any reload data from them. Any suggestions where to look? Help please.

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from Drew McClure wrote 3 years 12 weeks ago

As shooters we are blessed with many choices, possibly too many. Not having the funds to buy a "bigger,better, Man-sized" gun I continue to drive nails with the same nail driving 243 I got when I was in a teenager. I recently dubbed it the "Meat Stick" and have found that cheap Remington ammo works, but I still have one of those black Win silver rounds in case a 400 lb deer gets loose from someone's "cattleless ranch" and heads my way. This 243 is quite a step up from the 22 magnum that has filled countless freezers in this and other states, by lung shooters.

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from Pecos Flats wrote 3 years 8 hours ago

I do not own a 7mm/08 but the round has always appealed to my 7mm addiction.

Being a big fan of Speer Grand Slam bullets, I'm guessing a 145-grain GS would be a good choice for all deer size game and in a pinch, elk, moose or black bear.

I may indeed make it my next rifle caliber.

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from dale freeman wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

For whatewver two cents is worth.
I've been hunting for 60 years and have gone through all the fads, same as you youngsters, and i've wound up with a Ruger 77, 7mm-08.
I hand load 120 grn. remington core-loks, and shoot three shots, one hole.
After all these years it is the rifle i love best.
Here, in Louisiana, this combo. is good for anything from Coyotes to gaters.

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from derf wrote 2 years 32 weeks ago

I love to read the ridiculous comments made on this site as to which gun is better than everything else.
The supposed fact that a 7mm08 is better than a 7 x 57 mauser is laughable at the very least. I can attest to the fact that many a deer have fallen to a single well placed shot from a 22 long rifle, 22 mag, 22-250, 44 mag, 45-70, 6.5 x 55 Swede, 30-30, 357 mag., 25-06 30-40 crags and yes the 7 x 57 mauser, and guess what? all them Deer are dead and eaten.
Does any serious shooter and hunter believe that the game that you are after read the paper ballistics charts? Does that 100 fps really matter? do you really make those 500 yard shots? Do you think those deer are armored. I have had many more rifles than the ones listed and they have all killed Deer, and rabitts, and Bear, and will kill just about anything else here in the lower 48.
If you like your rifle, good for you, but I can verify with certainty that anything a 7mm08 can do, the old 7 x 57 will do just as well. Remember the well placed shot is much more important than the wondergun you're toting; there ain't too much that is really new under the Sun. Derf

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from W. Mathew Drumm wrote 1 year 1 week ago

My A-Bolt in 7-08 is 2nd favorite to my T3 in .308. I have had great success with whitetails using Nosler ballistic tips, esp. when I'm shooting in open ground across the corners of corn or soybean fields. My .308 is still my 1st choice when I'm shooting on terrain, because I know how to play with it in terms of hold-up and adjustment for wind, etc. But, if I scout one out that's fool enough to cross a field corner within 250-400 yards I'm bringing the 7-08 and he's going in the freezer.

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from Treestand wrote 29 weeks 6 days ago

Dave it good to see some one like you uses the Great 7mm/08 its all true great Caliber in my Rem /M 7-7mm/08 Compact.

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from Adam Thomas wrote 18 weeks 6 days ago

Just Bagged a Ten point buck this morning. Opening Day in Kansas. Shot him broadside at roughly 80 yards. Ran 30 yards and dropped dead. Had the same result with every animal ive shot.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 1 week ago

Someone asked me recently why I fool around with a 7mm Weatherby Magnum and not the 7mm Remington Mag or RUM.

Answer: Because I can!

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