


October 19, 2011
Level-Headed Response to Hunting Arms in Student Vehicles on College Campus
--Chad Love

In this age of near-universal zero tolerance weapons policies on school campuses, students who accidentally bring guns or bows to school during hunting season often find themselves in big trouble, no matter how innocent their mistake.
Charges, suspension, expulsion--there are any number of cases in recent years where students didn’t just have the book thrown at them, they got crushed by it. Which makes it somewhat refreshing to see this understated, non-hyperventilating response to what clearly was an accident...
From this story in the Marietta (OH) Times:
Washington State Community College officials are reminding students of the rules against having weapons on campus after a rifle and a crossbow were found this week in students' vehicles. One weapon was discovered Monday and another Tuesday, both in vehicles in the upper student parking lot, college spokeswoman Joy Frank-Collins said. There was no safety concern, she said, calling the incidents issues of "bad timing and poor judgment." "It's hunting season. It's our understanding that was why they had those implements in their vehicles," she said.
Campus security guards doing routine patrols in the lot discovered the items, Frank-Collins said. College officials were notified but local law enforcement was not. "That's a situation in which we would exercise our own judgment," Frank-Collins said. "In this situation, we were able to address things with our on-campus security force." While school policy was violated, the weapons were not brandished and no one was made to fear for their safety, Frank-Collins said. Each student's situation is addressed individually, based on college policies, she said.
No word on what--if any--punishment the students received, but at least it seems they weren't branded with a scarlet "W" for flagrant weapons-mongering, kicked out of school forever and publicly stoned in the town square. How do you think your local school or university would have handled this?
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It is stated in my campus guidelines that while we are allowed to have guns they must be checked in and out of our public safties office gun safe. If it is found in your vehicle wheather cased or not it is a trip to the deans office for him to decide. These kids got lucky in my opioin. Everyone thinks kids in these situations should get off sctoch free but rules are rules I agree if its in a small rural community then it should be handled as such. But in my eyes the students should know that if they are caught they will be punished. Take the extra time to go home and drop your gun or bow off and be late to a class if you go to a small school and you explain why you were late I think they will understand better then oh you have a gun in your car on school property. People need to start taking responsibilty for their actions no matter how innocent the mistake.
Good Old South Dakota still allowed hunting arms to be in vehicles in campus parking lots as long as they were cased. I'm not sure if that is still the rule but it was 5 years ago. The Univ. Police would give out free gun locks too. You still see students with decoy trailers and pickups with blinds in the back parked on campus. I hope they continue to support outdoor activities as well as they have been.
Our local Big10 university's policy states:
"B. The possession, use, or distribution of any explosives, guns, or other deadly or dangerous materials or weapons reasonably calculated to cause bodily injury is prohibited in University Facilities, unless specifically authorized by the EVPT or authorized representative or required by or used in the course of a University activity and under the supervision of a University representative. The EVPT or authorized representative may make reasonable search of patrons, fans, or visitors for any explosives, guns, or other deadly or dangerous materials or weapons as deemed necessary for the protection of the University Facility and its occupants"
They do have a rifle & pistol club and a trap & skeet club on campus, and an armory for the ROTC. So as I read it, if they see no intent to do harm, you're in the clear.
I think the people in this case just used judgement and common sense, instead of proclaiming them guilty until proven innocent.
It is nice to see common sense prevail for once in our nations schools. The university that I attended has a zero tolerance policy, even though several recent incidents involving attacks and home invasions on campus have caused a push to allow concealed carry by licensed individuals.
What? Someone DIDN'T 'freak out' when they found a GUN, and actually ACTED in a RESPONSIBLE manner? VERY cool!! @ wp, don't hold your breath, but I'm hoping the College I work for will allow it, too!!
Muley.... the ATF needs you.
It wasn't that long ago you could find rifle racks in the back windows of pickups in a HIGH SCHOOl parking lot. How many gun owners in this country? How many school shootings?
Wow, SD_Whitetail_Hntr, I'm envious. The university where I teach says no guns, period. During dove season I asked if I could check in my shotgun with campus police, but it was no dice. If I wanted to hunt after work, I'd have to go home first, then back to my hunting grounds, by which time, of course, it would be sunset.
Kids who live in our dorms are screwed - they have zero options. Of course, the gun prohibition doesn't prevent murder: Two years ago, one dorm resident was beaten to death with a baseball bat, allegedly by his roommate. Baseball gear is, of course, still allowed.
In the college I went to last year in SD we could bring our guns and bows to our dorm room as long as it was cased and nobody even looked twice.... its huntin season! Gotta love south dakota!
You can still leave them in your car on campus in Montana as long as the car is locked. This actually isn't that big a news story, its just that all the other places blow it out of proportion. There are still plenty of places where people won't bat an eye, you just never hear about them.
I'm still looking and waiting for a research paper produced by an unbiased study group that proves once and for all that zero tolerance has prevented or aided in the prevention of any violent school incidents.
It appears to me anecdotally, (as in anecdotal data) that all of the most recent violent school incidents occurred despite a zero tolerance policy.
Whatever happened to common sense vigilence?
Some of the "incidents" were caused by juveniles who didn't one expel someone who doesn't attend one's school. Yeah, the perpetrator can be arrested, but will more than likely be tried in a juvenile court if < 16.
Just my 2 cents.
Don't know how that happened. The above post should have stated: Some of the "incidents" I have read about were caused by juveniles who didn't attend the school where the incident occurred. How can one expel a student from a school that the student doesn't attend? Sorry.
At the University of North Dakota, all firearms and knives of 5 inches or more are required to be registered and kept at campus police offices. When you want to use your weapon, you contact them with at least 24 hours notice and then you can go pick it up. I've never heard an official policy related to vehicles, but let's just say I wouldn't want to find out. Things are pretty strict here, even though it's North Dakota.
Nate
My School said we were supposed to keep all of our guns locked up with security when not in use. But considering we hunted most mornings before class and had a school sponsored trap shooting club, we just kept them cased up and out of view and nobody bothered us. Nothing like walking across the quad in full wetland camo with a cased shotgun and a strap of mallards over your shoulder at 9AM... In fact, we were allowed to bow/shotgun hunt on campus with permission. Being a recent grad, I certainly miss those days. SJU, Central MN.
It's nice to see some common sense for a change.
I went to a private christian school in AR. The official policy was to check in guns with the public safety office and you could check them out 24/7. It was well known that during hunting season, people would keep them in their trucks. If the deans somehow found it, they would simply remind you to check in your guns and ask you how the hunting was.
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I think the people in this case just used judgement and common sense, instead of proclaiming them guilty until proven innocent.
Muley.... the ATF needs you.
Good Old South Dakota still allowed hunting arms to be in vehicles in campus parking lots as long as they were cased. I'm not sure if that is still the rule but it was 5 years ago. The Univ. Police would give out free gun locks too. You still see students with decoy trailers and pickups with blinds in the back parked on campus. I hope they continue to support outdoor activities as well as they have been.
Our local Big10 university's policy states:
"B. The possession, use, or distribution of any explosives, guns, or other deadly or dangerous materials or weapons reasonably calculated to cause bodily injury is prohibited in University Facilities, unless specifically authorized by the EVPT or authorized representative or required by or used in the course of a University activity and under the supervision of a University representative. The EVPT or authorized representative may make reasonable search of patrons, fans, or visitors for any explosives, guns, or other deadly or dangerous materials or weapons as deemed necessary for the protection of the University Facility and its occupants"
They do have a rifle & pistol club and a trap & skeet club on campus, and an armory for the ROTC. So as I read it, if they see no intent to do harm, you're in the clear.
It is nice to see common sense prevail for once in our nations schools. The university that I attended has a zero tolerance policy, even though several recent incidents involving attacks and home invasions on campus have caused a push to allow concealed carry by licensed individuals.
Wow, SD_Whitetail_Hntr, I'm envious. The university where I teach says no guns, period. During dove season I asked if I could check in my shotgun with campus police, but it was no dice. If I wanted to hunt after work, I'd have to go home first, then back to my hunting grounds, by which time, of course, it would be sunset.
Kids who live in our dorms are screwed - they have zero options. Of course, the gun prohibition doesn't prevent murder: Two years ago, one dorm resident was beaten to death with a baseball bat, allegedly by his roommate. Baseball gear is, of course, still allowed.
I went to a private christian school in AR. The official policy was to check in guns with the public safety office and you could check them out 24/7. It was well known that during hunting season, people would keep them in their trucks. If the deans somehow found it, they would simply remind you to check in your guns and ask you how the hunting was.
What? Someone DIDN'T 'freak out' when they found a GUN, and actually ACTED in a RESPONSIBLE manner? VERY cool!! @ wp, don't hold your breath, but I'm hoping the College I work for will allow it, too!!
It wasn't that long ago you could find rifle racks in the back windows of pickups in a HIGH SCHOOl parking lot. How many gun owners in this country? How many school shootings?
In the college I went to last year in SD we could bring our guns and bows to our dorm room as long as it was cased and nobody even looked twice.... its huntin season! Gotta love south dakota!
You can still leave them in your car on campus in Montana as long as the car is locked. This actually isn't that big a news story, its just that all the other places blow it out of proportion. There are still plenty of places where people won't bat an eye, you just never hear about them.
I'm still looking and waiting for a research paper produced by an unbiased study group that proves once and for all that zero tolerance has prevented or aided in the prevention of any violent school incidents.
It appears to me anecdotally, (as in anecdotal data) that all of the most recent violent school incidents occurred despite a zero tolerance policy.
Whatever happened to common sense vigilence?
Some of the "incidents" were caused by juveniles who didn't one expel someone who doesn't attend one's school. Yeah, the perpetrator can be arrested, but will more than likely be tried in a juvenile court if < 16.
Just my 2 cents.
Don't know how that happened. The above post should have stated: Some of the "incidents" I have read about were caused by juveniles who didn't attend the school where the incident occurred. How can one expel a student from a school that the student doesn't attend? Sorry.
At the University of North Dakota, all firearms and knives of 5 inches or more are required to be registered and kept at campus police offices. When you want to use your weapon, you contact them with at least 24 hours notice and then you can go pick it up. I've never heard an official policy related to vehicles, but let's just say I wouldn't want to find out. Things are pretty strict here, even though it's North Dakota.
Nate
My School said we were supposed to keep all of our guns locked up with security when not in use. But considering we hunted most mornings before class and had a school sponsored trap shooting club, we just kept them cased up and out of view and nobody bothered us. Nothing like walking across the quad in full wetland camo with a cased shotgun and a strap of mallards over your shoulder at 9AM... In fact, we were allowed to bow/shotgun hunt on campus with permission. Being a recent grad, I certainly miss those days. SJU, Central MN.
It's nice to see some common sense for a change.
It is stated in my campus guidelines that while we are allowed to have guns they must be checked in and out of our public safties office gun safe. If it is found in your vehicle wheather cased or not it is a trip to the deans office for him to decide. These kids got lucky in my opioin. Everyone thinks kids in these situations should get off sctoch free but rules are rules I agree if its in a small rural community then it should be handled as such. But in my eyes the students should know that if they are caught they will be punished. Take the extra time to go home and drop your gun or bow off and be late to a class if you go to a small school and you explain why you were late I think they will understand better then oh you have a gun in your car on school property. People need to start taking responsibilty for their actions no matter how innocent the mistake.
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