


February 23, 2012
CA Game Commission Pres. Catches Heat For Idaho Mountain Lion Hunt
By Chad Love

The president of the California Fish and Game Commission, where it's been illegal to hunt lions since 1990, recently traveled to Idaho for a mountain lion hunt, where it's been legal to hunt lions since forever. Said president of California Fish and Game Commission had a successful hunt, and shot a nice lion. In response, California-based wingnuts go apoplectic...
From this story in the San Jose Mercury News:
One of California's top wildlife officials found himself in the political line of fire Friday, after a photo surfaced showing him holding a dead mountain lion he killed in what appeared to be a recent big game hunt. Daniel W. Richards, president of the California Fish and Game Commission, shot the lion in Northern Idaho.
The photo was posted on the website of Western Outdoor News, a hunting and fishing publication. Mountain lion hunting has been illegal in California since 1990, when voters passed Proposition 117. Within hours of the photo appearing, callers deluged the state Fish and Game Commission office, and the Humane Society of the United States urged Richards to step down.
"It's not illegal. But he's thumbed his nose at the people of California," said Wayne Pacelle, president and CEO of the Humane Society. "He's supposed to be representing the interests of all California citizens. It seems like such a tone-deaf action. What part of 'no' doesn't he understand?
I'd like to ask Wayne Pacelle to point out what, exactly, he means by "what part of 'no' doesn't he understand?" No what? No, you shouldn't be able to travel to another state to engage in a perfectly legal and socially-accepted activity? I know that California has a political climate that sometimes seems hostile to sportsmen, but it's not that bad yet, is it? Tone-deaf? If I were a California resident Danial Richards would be representing my interests with perfect pitch.
What say you, Golden State hunters?
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This is stupid. He didn't thumb his nose at anyone! Why is Commyfornia so wierd and out there? is it all the sun, something in the water, what is it?
The people of California need leave this man alone because he went to a place that takes care of its nature and shot a Mountain Lion is no problem of thiers. He didn't shoot it in California so it is not a voter issue unless it was a trip sponsord by the state for official business, because then they can get mad.
Considering that the outrage came from California, the font of liberalism, I am not surprised. Also predictable was Wayne Pacelle's stupid commment. Pacelle has been with the anti-hunting movement his entire careeer, beginning back in the '70s when he was with Fund for Animals.
i am not a kalifornian, but i say nice cat!
Wayne needs to buy a bullet and rent a gun and do the world a favor. What a Shmedlap!!!
The State of California shoots dozens of nuisance cats a year. I cannot see much difference between management by hunters and management by the state.
I think it is cool that the head of the state's fish and game commision is a hunter and can understand the issues that hunters may face.
Well, okay, it's perfectly legal and the hunts in Idaho are well regulated and totally necessary. But the guy should have used a bit more common sense. We need guys like that at the upper echelons, especially in California. I would hate to see him go down in flames because of this but I think that's entirely likely. Mr. Richards can go legally hunt what he wants where he wants to but he should have tried to stay under the radar and out of the line of fire as much as possible.
stupid liberals.
This is ridiculous, there's just no other words for it. Whats wrong with legally hunting, if this doesn't show that there are people that out there to take away your rights I don't know what does. These people want this man's job for LEGALLY hunting in another state...unbelievable!
Doesn't he know that there are plenty of cougars prowling the bars in LA on any given night?
We are Californians. Cats should hunted around here. They're killing our sheep population. As far as Richards go, he should be able to hunt in another state where it's legal. He has every right to.
I am not a California hunter, but I am an Idaho one...the comments on this story were UN-believable! They are perpetrating the myth that this was a "canned" hunt, and that he baited the Lion (which is illegal in Idaho) They are slamming hunters left and right...
NO he should not step down, as a matter of fact-he should come forward and defend his position...
Tell Californians that THEIR Fish & Game dept. perpetuates and protects ALL wildlife so that Californians can go LOOK at them...(I also noticed in their story that the most likely new president will be a FISH BIOLOGIST...
IDAHO perpetuates & protects it's wildlife for HUNTING & FISHING...
Idaho hunters have lived with the vitriolic comments & threats from these folks over our wolf hunt for at least 2 years now...
They wish to end our way of life...PERIOD
Im a California hunter and a libritarian. And to all the disparaging remarks about my state and my fellow Californian's, you red necks can bite it. As for the trophy cat, the hunt was legal and the picture was foolish, Nothing more. I don't support trophy hunting, only sustainable hunting of eatable game but I respect that my opinion is just that, mine and respect the opinion of others even if I sometimes disagree.
Relax Frank, the media is going to spin this story in yours and California's favor anyways. So don't be too concerned about what us rednecks have to say :) Cheers to filling freezers!
@Frank...Mountain Lion is edible and tasty...just because we hunt & live in the woods doesn't mean we're red-necks...a photo may be all he gets since it is illegal to own cougar parts in Cali...
Makes me doubt that you hunt...(or you would know that after slogging through the 1000+ pages of Cali hunting/fishing regs!) just sayin'
Pine, I agree with you about Idaho, I feel equal hatred about liberal ideals as much as keeping lawful what we know and love. Also, I agree about them being tasty! If you get a bear in the right diet it's delicious too! Oh, and Frank, we're right on this.
What can we say. This guy did nothing illegal. He went to another state where it was legal to hunt a mountain lion and had a successful hunt. Good for him and I hope he had fun. Now, if he shot the mountain lion in California since it is illegal just for sport and not because it was a life threatening situating I can see that would be grounds for ridicule. Be he didn't so it just says very clear how "STUPID" the people are who are against this and think this is wrong. The media who is making it sound like he is a criminal and did something wrong is clearly lacking insight and professionalism and should re-think their actions. Arrogant nit picky individuals who can't wait to make trouble for someone else. They must be so bored with their own life they have create a situation and problems for others to make themselves feel superior. The a waste of time and energy. Take the time and energy to help others or take care of the elderly then to create a no-nothing problem. Gee wiz, "WAKE UP PEOPLE". It is truly sad to see.
Hey Frank...I'm not sure you can honestly say you respect someone else's opinion if you are trying to insult them in the same post.
Frank, keep doing what hippys do. Just remember that "rednecks" are the backbone of your country
Frank my dear boy I say this as nicely as possible those "rednecks" you refer to are one of the reasons you have the right to say what you did. Also if you do not control the predator population the "tasty" animals you refer to would be in trouble.
It is not fair we paint all Californians with the same brush. I have both friends and family in California, most of which appear normal.
What is with this stigma of "redneck" and hunters? beside that, I think what happened here is more than acceptable (shooting a lion). As an Idaho hunter I'm voting that the photo in question here should be used as a stock photo for the Idaho department of Fish and Game in the mtn lion section of the regs. Now to all the socialist, anti hunting, animal rights environmental terrorists. Its time you face the real world and put behind you the fictitious Utopian dreams. If Mr. Richard comes back this way to Northern Idaho I would gladly buy him a beer, or his beverage of choice. And if he gets canned in Klafifornia hopefully he can move to a real state and get a job that is somewhat respectably similar to his position now.
Nice cat.
Frank you calling us idahoans "red necks" just shows how pathetic you are this is a ridiculous topic this man should not be ridiculed at all he should not steo down he should fight back he did nothing wrong and im glad that he killed a nice idaho cat
I am so glad I don't live in CA. The arrogance of that guy. "what part of no." This guy thinks his beliefs are rules others have to follow. and THIS IS WHAT SCARES ME ABOUT LIBS!
WyDaveL Thats FUNNY!
Congrats on the cat!
Wow Frank, nice of you to put all hunters in the "dumb redneck" category. Here's the deal, alot of these dumb hunters are very intelligent individuals and know things you most likely (based on your ignorant post) don't know. Most of us know enough to fill books about animal habits, proper habitats for these animals,which calibers work best on which animals, and ballistics on different calibers. So be careful when you enter a battle of wits with "dumb rednecks"
Frank Im not real sure why the picture is foolish the man shot a very nice cat he should have taken a pic I would have and I guarntee all the other "red necks" would have too. Its funny that you lump us all as red necks I know a number of doctors who hunt and most of them in Africa where is nothing but sport are they red necks? I know engineers that I go to school with who hunt are they uneducated red necks. Your entitled to your opinion yes but as sdboy said many of these uneducated red necks would talk knowledge filled circles around you. As for the cat the guy did nothing wrong he should be congradulated on a good hunt.
I don't know if you caught PineTurtles comment. Even if you take a legal puma in another state you cannot bring the trophy back to California. This is a crazy state.
Why should those of us who travel to another state to hunt something that we can't hunt in our own state be harassed? This is more PETA people trying to end hunting at all.
Are we really surprised over this? I mean c'mon, its California the stronghold of liberals. This is what they do. Its just one more way to stir the pot.One more reason to dislike liberals and those who wish to end our way of life. If they had their way we would all be eating synthetic food and groveling to Obama.Anyway, nice cat!
I hunt and I eat my kills. Trophy hunting is a little perverted, IMHO. Killing something as beautiful as a lion or a bear isn't for me and I sometimes wonder about
so-called sportsmen (there ain't much sport in a lion hunt) who like to shoot large carnivores. Just my 2cents worth.
Here's my message to the California anti-hunters:
I am truly shocked and disappointed that representatives of the people in the state of California would push for the resignation of California’s Fish and Game Commission president because he harvested a mountain lion in Idaho. Per the article, they are pushing for Mr. Richards’ resignation because the people of California voted to ban mountain lion hunting in California. That was a shock also; I had no idea that all of the voters in California are trained wildlife biologists that are qualified to make scientifically based wildlife management decisions. Wildlife management should be based on unbiased, valid scientific research, not on voters acting via their emotions. All of you self-righteous anti-hunters who believe hunting is a terrible activity should remember that mankind has hunted since the beginning of mankind; that would include ALL of your ancestors. Now that we have grocery stores on every street corner, you anti-hunters apparently believe hunting is some sort of barbaric activity that should be banned. Know this folks, if you eat meat, you are merely paying someone else to kill, clean, and package your meat for you; that is, you are most definitely a hypocrite if you oppose hunting. Please stop forcing your extremist ideals on everyone else. Just because you feel strongly about something doesn’t make it right for all of mankind. If you do think your way is the only way, then “freedom” is not in your vocabulary. By the way, mountain lion is edible.
Daniel W. Richards. This guy seems like a complete hypocrite to me. Just another "Macho Redneck" that "gets off" on killing endangered species. I can see hunting Rabbits, Deer, Elk, Wild Turkey and other critters that are abundant and breed in healthy numbers. But a Mountain Lion? Numb Nuts! "The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left." --- Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV)
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The State of California shoots dozens of nuisance cats a year. I cannot see much difference between management by hunters and management by the state.
This is stupid. He didn't thumb his nose at anyone! Why is Commyfornia so wierd and out there? is it all the sun, something in the water, what is it?
The people of California need leave this man alone because he went to a place that takes care of its nature and shot a Mountain Lion is no problem of thiers. He didn't shoot it in California so it is not a voter issue unless it was a trip sponsord by the state for official business, because then they can get mad.
This is ridiculous, there's just no other words for it. Whats wrong with legally hunting, if this doesn't show that there are people that out there to take away your rights I don't know what does. These people want this man's job for LEGALLY hunting in another state...unbelievable!
I am not a California hunter, but I am an Idaho one...the comments on this story were UN-believable! They are perpetrating the myth that this was a "canned" hunt, and that he baited the Lion (which is illegal in Idaho) They are slamming hunters left and right...
NO he should not step down, as a matter of fact-he should come forward and defend his position...
Tell Californians that THEIR Fish & Game dept. perpetuates and protects ALL wildlife so that Californians can go LOOK at them...(I also noticed in their story that the most likely new president will be a FISH BIOLOGIST...
IDAHO perpetuates & protects it's wildlife for HUNTING & FISHING...
Idaho hunters have lived with the vitriolic comments & threats from these folks over our wolf hunt for at least 2 years now...
They wish to end our way of life...PERIOD
Frank my dear boy I say this as nicely as possible those "rednecks" you refer to are one of the reasons you have the right to say what you did. Also if you do not control the predator population the "tasty" animals you refer to would be in trouble.
I don't know if you caught PineTurtles comment. Even if you take a legal puma in another state you cannot bring the trophy back to California. This is a crazy state.
Considering that the outrage came from California, the font of liberalism, I am not surprised. Also predictable was Wayne Pacelle's stupid commment. Pacelle has been with the anti-hunting movement his entire careeer, beginning back in the '70s when he was with Fund for Animals.
Doesn't he know that there are plenty of cougars prowling the bars in LA on any given night?
Relax Frank, the media is going to spin this story in yours and California's favor anyways. So don't be too concerned about what us rednecks have to say :) Cheers to filling freezers!
@Frank...Mountain Lion is edible and tasty...just because we hunt & live in the woods doesn't mean we're red-necks...a photo may be all he gets since it is illegal to own cougar parts in Cali...
Makes me doubt that you hunt...(or you would know that after slogging through the 1000+ pages of Cali hunting/fishing regs!) just sayin'
Pine, I agree with you about Idaho, I feel equal hatred about liberal ideals as much as keeping lawful what we know and love. Also, I agree about them being tasty! If you get a bear in the right diet it's delicious too! Oh, and Frank, we're right on this.
Hey Frank...I'm not sure you can honestly say you respect someone else's opinion if you are trying to insult them in the same post.
Frank, keep doing what hippys do. Just remember that "rednecks" are the backbone of your country
What is with this stigma of "redneck" and hunters? beside that, I think what happened here is more than acceptable (shooting a lion). As an Idaho hunter I'm voting that the photo in question here should be used as a stock photo for the Idaho department of Fish and Game in the mtn lion section of the regs. Now to all the socialist, anti hunting, animal rights environmental terrorists. Its time you face the real world and put behind you the fictitious Utopian dreams. If Mr. Richard comes back this way to Northern Idaho I would gladly buy him a beer, or his beverage of choice. And if he gets canned in Klafifornia hopefully he can move to a real state and get a job that is somewhat respectably similar to his position now.
Wayne needs to buy a bullet and rent a gun and do the world a favor. What a Shmedlap!!!
I think it is cool that the head of the state's fish and game commision is a hunter and can understand the issues that hunters may face.
What can we say. This guy did nothing illegal. He went to another state where it was legal to hunt a mountain lion and had a successful hunt. Good for him and I hope he had fun. Now, if he shot the mountain lion in California since it is illegal just for sport and not because it was a life threatening situating I can see that would be grounds for ridicule. Be he didn't so it just says very clear how "STUPID" the people are who are against this and think this is wrong. The media who is making it sound like he is a criminal and did something wrong is clearly lacking insight and professionalism and should re-think their actions. Arrogant nit picky individuals who can't wait to make trouble for someone else. They must be so bored with their own life they have create a situation and problems for others to make themselves feel superior. The a waste of time and energy. Take the time and energy to help others or take care of the elderly then to create a no-nothing problem. Gee wiz, "WAKE UP PEOPLE". It is truly sad to see.
Nice cat.
Frank you calling us idahoans "red necks" just shows how pathetic you are this is a ridiculous topic this man should not be ridiculed at all he should not steo down he should fight back he did nothing wrong and im glad that he killed a nice idaho cat
i am not a kalifornian, but i say nice cat!
Well, okay, it's perfectly legal and the hunts in Idaho are well regulated and totally necessary. But the guy should have used a bit more common sense. We need guys like that at the upper echelons, especially in California. I would hate to see him go down in flames because of this but I think that's entirely likely. Mr. Richards can go legally hunt what he wants where he wants to but he should have tried to stay under the radar and out of the line of fire as much as possible.
stupid liberals.
We are Californians. Cats should hunted around here. They're killing our sheep population. As far as Richards go, he should be able to hunt in another state where it's legal. He has every right to.
It is not fair we paint all Californians with the same brush. I have both friends and family in California, most of which appear normal.
I am so glad I don't live in CA. The arrogance of that guy. "what part of no." This guy thinks his beliefs are rules others have to follow. and THIS IS WHAT SCARES ME ABOUT LIBS!
WyDaveL Thats FUNNY!
Congrats on the cat!
Wow Frank, nice of you to put all hunters in the "dumb redneck" category. Here's the deal, alot of these dumb hunters are very intelligent individuals and know things you most likely (based on your ignorant post) don't know. Most of us know enough to fill books about animal habits, proper habitats for these animals,which calibers work best on which animals, and ballistics on different calibers. So be careful when you enter a battle of wits with "dumb rednecks"
Frank Im not real sure why the picture is foolish the man shot a very nice cat he should have taken a pic I would have and I guarntee all the other "red necks" would have too. Its funny that you lump us all as red necks I know a number of doctors who hunt and most of them in Africa where is nothing but sport are they red necks? I know engineers that I go to school with who hunt are they uneducated red necks. Your entitled to your opinion yes but as sdboy said many of these uneducated red necks would talk knowledge filled circles around you. As for the cat the guy did nothing wrong he should be congradulated on a good hunt.
Why should those of us who travel to another state to hunt something that we can't hunt in our own state be harassed? This is more PETA people trying to end hunting at all.
Are we really surprised over this? I mean c'mon, its California the stronghold of liberals. This is what they do. Its just one more way to stir the pot.One more reason to dislike liberals and those who wish to end our way of life. If they had their way we would all be eating synthetic food and groveling to Obama.Anyway, nice cat!
I hunt and I eat my kills. Trophy hunting is a little perverted, IMHO. Killing something as beautiful as a lion or a bear isn't for me and I sometimes wonder about
so-called sportsmen (there ain't much sport in a lion hunt) who like to shoot large carnivores. Just my 2cents worth.
Here's my message to the California anti-hunters:
I am truly shocked and disappointed that representatives of the people in the state of California would push for the resignation of California’s Fish and Game Commission president because he harvested a mountain lion in Idaho. Per the article, they are pushing for Mr. Richards’ resignation because the people of California voted to ban mountain lion hunting in California. That was a shock also; I had no idea that all of the voters in California are trained wildlife biologists that are qualified to make scientifically based wildlife management decisions. Wildlife management should be based on unbiased, valid scientific research, not on voters acting via their emotions. All of you self-righteous anti-hunters who believe hunting is a terrible activity should remember that mankind has hunted since the beginning of mankind; that would include ALL of your ancestors. Now that we have grocery stores on every street corner, you anti-hunters apparently believe hunting is some sort of barbaric activity that should be banned. Know this folks, if you eat meat, you are merely paying someone else to kill, clean, and package your meat for you; that is, you are most definitely a hypocrite if you oppose hunting. Please stop forcing your extremist ideals on everyone else. Just because you feel strongly about something doesn’t make it right for all of mankind. If you do think your way is the only way, then “freedom” is not in your vocabulary. By the way, mountain lion is edible.
Daniel W. Richards. This guy seems like a complete hypocrite to me. Just another "Macho Redneck" that "gets off" on killing endangered species. I can see hunting Rabbits, Deer, Elk, Wild Turkey and other critters that are abundant and breed in healthy numbers. But a Mountain Lion? Numb Nuts! "The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left." --- Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV)
Im a California hunter and a libritarian. And to all the disparaging remarks about my state and my fellow Californian's, you red necks can bite it. As for the trophy cat, the hunt was legal and the picture was foolish, Nothing more. I don't support trophy hunting, only sustainable hunting of eatable game but I respect that my opinion is just that, mine and respect the opinion of others even if I sometimes disagree.
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