


May 10, 2012
State Police to Shut Down PA Instant Check System, No Firearms Purchases for 3 Days
--Chad Love
Are you a Pennsylvania resident who plans on buying a gun sometime this month? You might want to check with your gun shop before making the drive...
From this story on examiner.com:
The Pennsylvania State Police (PSP) announced on Friday, that the Automated Fingerprint Identification System (AFIS), used by the Pennsylvania State Police, will be taken out of service for three days later this month for a full system replacement. Consequently, this will temporarily restrict the purchase of firearms and negate the ability to obtain criminal history checks.
It's that last bit of news that has more than a few people a little ticked off. And it didn’t take long for them to express just how much...
From this follow-up story on examiner.com:
A complete shutdown of the Pennsylvania Instant Check System (PICS) by the Pennsylvania State Police (PSP) for a period of 60 hours later this month for a system upgrade is "inexcusable," the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (CCRKBA) said today. “Closing down the background check system, and thus suspending all firearms transactions and concealed carry license processing simply allows the [PSP] to obstruct the gun rights of law-abiding citizens,” said CCRKBA Chairman Alan M. Gottlieb. “Access to the computers for background checks should not be suspended at all. Surely the [PSP] can find alternate means of processing firearms transactions and permit applications while the upgrade is in progress.”
The system will shut down at 10 p.m. Saturday, May 19 and will remain down until the following Tuesday at 10 a.m.
Thoughts? Reaction? Is it a mere inconvenience, or a de facto (albeit temporary) suspension of the Second Amendment?
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I would say this is just a minor inconvenience. They let the people know when it would be down, so if they were going to buy a gun, they would know to buy it sooner or will have to wait 3 days.
I'm in PA... this is a non-story and should be taken as a minor inconvenience. But, the CCRKBA has to take this stance because that's the name of the game when "protecting" constitutional rights... no holds-barred, no grey areas. Anything is an infringement. Never let up.
People need to take a knee sometimes. I'm sure the people who will b*tch the most already have 20 guns apiece anyway.
Oh, and by the way, one of the days they are shutting it down is a Sunday... My local gun shop isn't even open on Sunday, and who in their right mind pays MSRP at Gander Mountain or some big box?!
This should be a non-issue. I work for a software company and unfortunately, it takes time to implement a new system like this.
The fact that software systems are in need of occasional maintenance and upgrades is an inconvenience.
The infringement on the rights of the people occurred back when the background check (of any kind) was implemented in the first place.
Can you imagine having to go through background checks and waiting periods before joining a church? writing a blog? participating in a holiday parade? or speaking ill of your elected officials at the local pub? Then perhaps we should start treating the 2nd Amendment with the same reverence as we do the 1st.
... but now I'm preaching to the choir, aren't I?
I am proud to live in a state that doesn't have the extra red tape. I vote for officals that have my family's best interest in mind no matter what party they are. The finger print system does nothing but store a set of finger prints of a law abiding person that has the right to own a firearm. I say money wasted when they started the system and money wasted to maintain it. Just my thoughts.
This is why I live in KY. The Second Amendment: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
I'm in PA, and have bought a firearm or two in the past 6 months. My biggest question is what is this automatic fingerprint ID software they're talkign about upgrading? Has anyone been asked for a print before running the check? I certainly never have.
Ah, sorry, reading the original article it basically explains that instacheck is just patched into the same system and thus needs to come off line. The print software is not related to instacheck itself.
Man, some of you guys are drinking tooooo much of the regime's kool-aid!
If they can shut it down for three days, they can shut it down for 3 weeks or 3 months or 3 years or.....
Man, some of you guys are drinking tooooo much of the regime's kool-aid!
If they can shut it down for three days, they can shut it down for 3 weeks or 3 months or 3 years or.....
This is all BS. They managed perfectly well to do their background checks and paperwork for a long time before the system was relegated to computers for "instant" checks. There's no reason or excuse for shutting down gun sales or permit processing for three minutes, much less three days. We're being tested, don't doubt it for a second.
Not from Pa but I think the biggest set back would be for the retailers in PA, they might loose alot of business to bordering communities. I think most outdoorsman are a patient enough to wait a few days.
It's only for 3 days. It's an inconvenience, and one they gave warning for. Software sometimes needs updated. It's just a fact of life in the computerized world. And to dneaster3, I'm glad I live in a state where there are background checks. What's wrong with at least attempting to keep guns out of criminal hands? If you aren't a felon or someone with a mental health record, then you really don't have much to worry about. The checks usually take under an hour. I've both had them run on me many times, and run them on many other people working auctions. Comparing it to joining a church or writing a blog is apples to oranges. How is owning a gun in any way like any of those examples you threw out?
@dtbc333...
The check is instant, but that usually means within 5 to 20 minutes depending on the load on the system.
As for your apples to oranges question.. How is owning a gun any different than owning a car, hammer, baseball bat, knife, axe, bow and arrow? See where I am going here.. It is a LEGAL to own product. Just like any other. when was the last time you had to endure a background check and a suspension of said system, for updating when buying a car, baseball bat, hammer, etc.
Ownership of the product is not the problem. the misuse and behavior of someone is. I someone drives over a person in a car, killing them, or takes a baseball bat to another person bashing their head in, would you call for tighter controls on purchasing those items? how about a PICs check everytime you want to buy a new car, or hammer, etc..?
We live with the PICs begrudgingly, but having said that, the fact that is just HAS to be taken down, is frustrating.
How would you feel if you wanted to buy a new car on Monday and were told, sorry, the Instacheck system is down for the next 60 hours? the car companies would be up in arms, saying rightfully that the government was preventing them from engaging in their lawful business enterprise.
How is buying and owning a gun different from any of the items in question? Do you honestly believe that the same level of responsibility is required to own a hammer or a baseball bat, etc as there is for a gun? Why then do we not have baseball bat safes, and locks for our hammers so they can't be swung by the wrong person? I AM a gun owner, and clearly am nor arguing against gun ownership, but it's a little strange for me to read another gun owner claiming that owning a gun is the same as owning a hammer. Just because something is a legal product doesn't mean that there aren't further safety regulations. We have a drinking age, you have to have a drivers license and insurance to drive a car, etc, etc. It's not only applied to guns. More to the point, as i said before software updates and things of that nature are simply a fact of life in a computerized world. What would I say if I was told weeks in advance that I would have to wait 60 hours to by a car over certain dates? I would say, thanks for the warning, and would plan to buy my car either before those 60 hours started, or simply wait until after. It's not as if it's months.
Funny when Oklahoma is a better place to live than Pennsylvania, go figure!
I live in PA and although I think there is nothing to this...Im glad people here speak out and complain anytime our right to purchase guns is restricted for ANY reason.
When government starts nibbling away with restrictions, permits, fingerprints make no mistake....they are testing the waters for full gun control.
I know...I lived in NJ !
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I would say this is just a minor inconvenience. They let the people know when it would be down, so if they were going to buy a gun, they would know to buy it sooner or will have to wait 3 days.
I'm in PA... this is a non-story and should be taken as a minor inconvenience. But, the CCRKBA has to take this stance because that's the name of the game when "protecting" constitutional rights... no holds-barred, no grey areas. Anything is an infringement. Never let up.
People need to take a knee sometimes. I'm sure the people who will b*tch the most already have 20 guns apiece anyway.
I am proud to live in a state that doesn't have the extra red tape. I vote for officals that have my family's best interest in mind no matter what party they are. The finger print system does nothing but store a set of finger prints of a law abiding person that has the right to own a firearm. I say money wasted when they started the system and money wasted to maintain it. Just my thoughts.
This should be a non-issue. I work for a software company and unfortunately, it takes time to implement a new system like this.
Oh, and by the way, one of the days they are shutting it down is a Sunday... My local gun shop isn't even open on Sunday, and who in their right mind pays MSRP at Gander Mountain or some big box?!
The fact that software systems are in need of occasional maintenance and upgrades is an inconvenience.
The infringement on the rights of the people occurred back when the background check (of any kind) was implemented in the first place.
Can you imagine having to go through background checks and waiting periods before joining a church? writing a blog? participating in a holiday parade? or speaking ill of your elected officials at the local pub? Then perhaps we should start treating the 2nd Amendment with the same reverence as we do the 1st.
... but now I'm preaching to the choir, aren't I?
This is why I live in KY. The Second Amendment: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
I'm in PA, and have bought a firearm or two in the past 6 months. My biggest question is what is this automatic fingerprint ID software they're talkign about upgrading? Has anyone been asked for a print before running the check? I certainly never have.
Ah, sorry, reading the original article it basically explains that instacheck is just patched into the same system and thus needs to come off line. The print software is not related to instacheck itself.
Man, some of you guys are drinking tooooo much of the regime's kool-aid!
If they can shut it down for three days, they can shut it down for 3 weeks or 3 months or 3 years or.....
Not from Pa but I think the biggest set back would be for the retailers in PA, they might loose alot of business to bordering communities. I think most outdoorsman are a patient enough to wait a few days.
How is buying and owning a gun different from any of the items in question? Do you honestly believe that the same level of responsibility is required to own a hammer or a baseball bat, etc as there is for a gun? Why then do we not have baseball bat safes, and locks for our hammers so they can't be swung by the wrong person? I AM a gun owner, and clearly am nor arguing against gun ownership, but it's a little strange for me to read another gun owner claiming that owning a gun is the same as owning a hammer. Just because something is a legal product doesn't mean that there aren't further safety regulations. We have a drinking age, you have to have a drivers license and insurance to drive a car, etc, etc. It's not only applied to guns. More to the point, as i said before software updates and things of that nature are simply a fact of life in a computerized world. What would I say if I was told weeks in advance that I would have to wait 60 hours to by a car over certain dates? I would say, thanks for the warning, and would plan to buy my car either before those 60 hours started, or simply wait until after. It's not as if it's months.
Funny when Oklahoma is a better place to live than Pennsylvania, go figure!
I live in PA and although I think there is nothing to this...Im glad people here speak out and complain anytime our right to purchase guns is restricted for ANY reason.
When government starts nibbling away with restrictions, permits, fingerprints make no mistake....they are testing the waters for full gun control.
I know...I lived in NJ !
Man, some of you guys are drinking tooooo much of the regime's kool-aid!
If they can shut it down for three days, they can shut it down for 3 weeks or 3 months or 3 years or.....
This is all BS. They managed perfectly well to do their background checks and paperwork for a long time before the system was relegated to computers for "instant" checks. There's no reason or excuse for shutting down gun sales or permit processing for three minutes, much less three days. We're being tested, don't doubt it for a second.
It's only for 3 days. It's an inconvenience, and one they gave warning for. Software sometimes needs updated. It's just a fact of life in the computerized world. And to dneaster3, I'm glad I live in a state where there are background checks. What's wrong with at least attempting to keep guns out of criminal hands? If you aren't a felon or someone with a mental health record, then you really don't have much to worry about. The checks usually take under an hour. I've both had them run on me many times, and run them on many other people working auctions. Comparing it to joining a church or writing a blog is apples to oranges. How is owning a gun in any way like any of those examples you threw out?
@dtbc333...
The check is instant, but that usually means within 5 to 20 minutes depending on the load on the system.
As for your apples to oranges question.. How is owning a gun any different than owning a car, hammer, baseball bat, knife, axe, bow and arrow? See where I am going here.. It is a LEGAL to own product. Just like any other. when was the last time you had to endure a background check and a suspension of said system, for updating when buying a car, baseball bat, hammer, etc.
Ownership of the product is not the problem. the misuse and behavior of someone is. I someone drives over a person in a car, killing them, or takes a baseball bat to another person bashing their head in, would you call for tighter controls on purchasing those items? how about a PICs check everytime you want to buy a new car, or hammer, etc..?
We live with the PICs begrudgingly, but having said that, the fact that is just HAS to be taken down, is frustrating.
How would you feel if you wanted to buy a new car on Monday and were told, sorry, the Instacheck system is down for the next 60 hours? the car companies would be up in arms, saying rightfully that the government was preventing them from engaging in their lawful business enterprise.
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