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June 01, 2012

Will Wisconsin Make Public Land a Private Pay-to-Hunt System?

By Chad Love

When it comes to deer hunting, will Wisconsin become the next Texas, with public land being sold off and then turned into a private pay-to-hunt system? That's the fear (or fear-mongering, depending on where you sit) some state lawmakers have raised after embattled Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker hired a Texas expert to overhaul the state's deer hunting system.

From this story on wtaq.com:

Six state Assembly Democrats fear that Wisconsin will sell its public hunting lands to private developers, who would then charge up to thousands-of-dollars for the privilege to hunt. At a news conference yesterday, the Democrats said it happened in Texas. And they feared it would happen in Wisconsin under a series of major hunting changes to be recommended this month by James Kroll. He’s the Texas wildlife biologist whom the Walker administration hired last year to analyze the way Wisconsin manages its deer population.

Kroll's initial report was issued two months ago, and according to the story, a Walker administration official says there's no mention of selling off public hunting lands, but Democrats claim that a Texas-style pay-to-hunt "scheme" is part of the plan, and they want Kroll to appear at a public meeting to explain his report. However, the Walker Administration and Kroll claim the fracas is simply politics timed to coincide with Walker's upcoming recall election.

From the story: The Democrats said Kroll also needs to explain comments he made in 2002 to Texas Monthly about antler genetics. The Cap Times said blogs have been raising a stir about that. And it forced Kroll to respond on his Web site. He said, “I cannot undo the slander, but I can be clear … I stand the sportsmen-and-women of Wisconsin, hunting-fishing recreation, and white-tailed deer.” Kroll also said his ideas are not influenced by politics, but he said the Wisconsin matter has become political as Tuesday’s recall election for governor approaches.

Thoughts? Reaction? Should Wisconsin hunters be worried about turning into Texas? Should Texas hunters be insulted that Wisconsin thinks Texas-style hunting is bad? Alarming developments or just a last-minute political hatchet job? Someone grab the popcorn...

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from CL3 wrote 1 year 46 weeks ago

What's Walker's track record? Bait-and-Switch got him elected, right, or why is he being recalled? Where there is smoke, there's fire.

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from HogBlog wrote 1 year 46 weeks ago

I'm so sick of grandstanding, idiot politicians who play on the ignorance and fear of the idiots who keep electing them. Of course the bulk of the media plays the same game, pandering to fear and building sensationalized headlines that do nothing but perpetuate and propagate the ignorance.

It's been a long day of stupid crap in the media, so I'm venting... but really, are the people of Wisconsin ignorant enough to think that simply having Dr. Kroll consult on the health of the deer herd is going to enable the state to sell off its public land to the highest bidders? If, as I expect, they're not... then they ought to drum those assemblymen right out of their elected offices. But if they are, then lord help 'em. It's out of my hands.

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from wischneider wrote 1 year 46 weeks ago

the Democrats, in Wisconsin particularly, are stupid. Their childish antics and scare tactics are despicable. This would never happen, most sportsmen are conservatives who would never go for something like this.

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from dtownley wrote 1 year 46 weeks ago

Came from the Great State of Michigan in 1983 to the Great State of Texas, very little National Forest/ Public land and what there was of it was poached so heavy I had not heard from anyone that had taken deer from it. 20 + yrs later we get charged $48 dollars to hunt some very well taken care of dirt that even physically challenged(manicured trails to get anyone in) can get in there and have the time of their lives and score great game on 1.3 million acres not to mention the lottery and State Park hunts. Not the acres Michigan has but very well policed as everyone hunting pays as do non-hunters that pay to access...I did'nt think it would work but was pleasantly surprised. It does not mean that we do not have some da-m stupid game laws here 'cause we do. Deer grow antler in Texas but haveing hunted here for 29 seasons they really don't put anyone in charge that knows a post hole from crawfish hole when it come to knowing genetics or what a deer population needs to grow antlers to dimensions to make them fall within there specs to be legal.OVERPOPULATED DEER in Texas NEVER AND WILL NEVER GROW WISCONSON or MICHIGAN BONE MASS. We have pushed our lack of knowledge of these animals to the point we need DOE years and BUCK years.
If a democrats mouth is open look for a fish pole 'cause its surely going to be a great story but the unions will guarantee there was a fish. If a Texan says its not about politics rest assured his family had fresh fish that night and it was legal. Everybody hang on to your wallets, guvments talking. I know what I call six Democrats tell'ing folks in Wisconson what folks in Texas did starts with a L and ends in screwed

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from Pacific Hunter wrote 1 year 46 weeks ago

Tread lightly here. The root of what is at stake runs far deeper than the thought of selling public land. This paradigm shift of hunting economics, which is what it all comes down too, is terrifying unless the idea of lease hunting and the best going to the highest bidder is something you like. Why call in an "expert" from Texas to fix what can easily be considered the greatest whitetail producing state ever. What are the motivations here? The recommendation is that the state turns over management of deer herds and public land to consulting firms to manage and puts more choice with the landowner on how many deer he harvests on his land. Kinda like Texas where people pay biologists to come give them advice on ways to best manage their land. What do you think Dr. Deer's (James Kroll's) business is. Wildlife consulting and management. A blind man can still see the conflict of interest a mile away.

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from HogBlog wrote 1 year 46 weeks ago

Pacific Hunter, how is it a conflict of interest to be an expert and be hired for your expertise? Am I just totally misunderstanding what you've written?

Yes, there is a big issue with the privatization of wildlife resources. Some folks seem to think it's OK to throw a high fence around a couple thousand acres and suddenly "own" all the wildlife within that fence, and that's a problem.

But, and correct me again if I'm wrong, isn't Wisconsin the state that just decimated its deer herd in several counties because of the threat of CWD, despite the advice of trained experts? I doubt that Dr. Kroll is there to turn the entire Badger State into another Texas. And regardless of what you may think about the Texas game farms where he learned a lot of his trade, the man is an expert in his field. He knows whitetail deer.

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from CL3 wrote 1 year 46 weeks ago

wischneider: Problem is, folk like you can't accept people with other views, or without calling someone "stupid." It's all black & white to you, eh? Dem or Repub, no in between? The best Dems here in PA do more for conservation and sportsmen than you might think.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 46 weeks ago

Look at what happened to Iowa when they jacked up there nonresident fees and look at the revenue they lost from out of state Sportsmen

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from jamesti wrote 1 year 46 weeks ago

wiconsin has always had great deer hunting from what i've heard. so why is kroll really there?

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from missedit wrote 1 year 46 weeks ago

Hey what's happening to going out in the woods & putting food on the table,you
Can't. eat antlers.
Sure everyone would to have a mount on the wall to show & brag about.
There are a lot of people that don't have much of a income & the meat they hunt
is the only meat they can afford.

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from camperdog62 wrote 1 year 46 weeks ago

I don't know what half wit wrote the original article about Texas public land being sold off and made into a "private pay to hunt system."
THIS IS 100% PURE UNCUT BS!!!
As a lifelong Texan and hunter, I can tell you that while Texas land is about 96% PRIVATELY OWNED, that the State owned lands available for hunting are NEVER "SOLD OFF," for ANY purpose. Huntin (n season)is available to any licensed hunter, either by DRAWING or by OPEN (come one come all)AVAILABILITY.The "process" the referred to DOES NOT EXIST!!!
On occasion, however, private landowners give or bequeth land to the State and organizations like the Nature Conservancy BUY then SELL land to the State which is sometimes used for public and camping
Also, the State LEASES land from private landowners each year and makes it available to the public for hunting. These operations are handled and overseen by Texas Parks and Wildlife. DO YOUR HOMEWORK!!!

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from wisc14 wrote 1 year 45 weeks ago

kroll was hired because there has been a LOT of whining by deer hunters in wi. seems like most hunters got spoiled of years seeing tons of deer with little to no scouting. go to the bar friday before opening morning and getting to the deer stand at 9 o clock won't work anymore. definately not as many deeer in the northwoods, still tons in the southern part of the states. you need to be a skilled hunter to get deer in the north now.

all the politicians in wi are terrible in my opinion. no compromising. walker has repealed wetland regs and wanted to streamline taconite mining regs which TU opposed (it didn't pass). a quick search on the internet will show him out on opening day of fishing, he's holding the spinning reel upside down. also he hired a lady who never bought a fishing liscense and the only hunting liscense she bought was a turkey liscense one year as the secretary of the dnr.

i didn't mind kroll until he said the habitat on our public lands are lacking. couldn't believe he said that. sorry mr kroll that the wi northwoods aren't managed as a whitetail game farm. we have turkey, ruffed grouse, bear, rabbit,squirrel, great wild trout streams, and some of the best muskellunge fishing in the world. all on public land that is free.

i'll take the chequamagon-nicolet national forest over anyplace in texas any day of the week

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from JakeT_little.Racks wrote 1 year 45 weeks ago

WISCONSIN>TEXAS. SCOTT WALKER>DEMOCRATS.

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from walt in wi wrote 1 year 45 weeks ago

Can't say I am a Walker fan at all. He's sold out the state on a lot of conservation issues regarding wetlands, mining,and DNR management. Kroll was "hired" to pacify angry whitetail hunters that expected to see more deer than the DNR were reporting. I'm afraid for our future woods and water quality if more rules and regulations passed in the 70's to stop pollution are stripped away. WI used to be a leader in this area. Not anymore.

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from apape720 wrote 1 year 45 weeks ago

As a true blooded Wisconsin hunter, I can assure you this is all a bunch of humdrum. Having formerly worked for the DNR, I know how important deer hunting is to this state. Wisconsin deer hunters are an extremely powerful lobby. There is no way anything like this would ever fly in this state. The drama is being concocted out of fear mongering that is politically based, not scientific management based. Wisconsin hunters needn't worry. This is all a bunch of crap.

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from doublehaul wrote 1 year 45 weeks ago

Just for the sake of accuracy, Texas did not sell off its lands for hunting. When Texas joined the Union in 1845 she offered the U.S. much of her territory if the U.S. would assume much of Texas' debt. Congress refused and the rest is history. Texas sold off the lands in order to encourage settlement and pay it debts. If Texas had been a territory and joined the Union like other states things would probably be quite different. Given the oil and gas resources of Texas and its larger offshore public lands, maybe Congress should have taken the deal...?

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from coachsjike wrote 1 year 45 weeks ago

hey wischneider

are you retarded? people in wisconsin don't have to go or not go for it. if this jackwagon wants it put into effect and gets enough financial backing to support him, he is gonna do it. look at all the problems he is creating with every state employee in that state. the key word here is money! hunting is no longer a family / free sport. it is getting to be a rich man's sport and this is proof that it is going this way.

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from CL3 wrote 1 year 45 weeks ago

www.realtree.com/hunting/realtree-hunting-blogs/brow-tines-and-back-stra...

"Now add in the facts that Gov. Walker is facing a recall vote on Tuesday, June 5 and that an article in a Texas publication quotes Kroll calling public wildlife management a system of communism, describing national parks as "wildlife ghettos" and calling hunters looking for more public hunting opportunities as "pining for socialism."

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from fliphuntr14 wrote 1 year 45 weeks ago

The overhauls he's pushed are instant gratification and they appear to feed on the ignorance of many, they will have long term consequences. His goal is to put our state in a race to bottom so no it would not surprise me that something like this would get signed.

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from coachsjike wrote 1 year 45 weeks ago

the sad part is that the main reason for this state and any other state wanting to do this is to generate money. maybe every state in the country should stop handing out things for free! i have said this many times before that the illegal immigration is out of control. did you know that the same illegals that work many farms here in the U.S. are also allowed to privately hunt the property in order to protect the crops? now what business do they have being allowed to hunt with no firearm license, no hunting license or ANY hunter education? and yet we as citizens are not allowed to say or do anything because our local politicians are afraid of being sued for racial profiling! look at what is now happening in arizona, that new law is considered unconstitutional. how does a country like ours protect people who are breaking the law (hence the word illegal) and give them rights of that of a US born citizen? these people get a free education in many public schools, do not claim taxes of any kind, suck up every imaginable type of free health care, and they don't contribute!!! now they are allowed to hunt and fish with no license. this state and every other state is going after people who are going to pay for it regardless and thats who is being targeted. is pure bull$hit plain and simple.

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from andy1300 wrote 1 year 44 weeks ago

Yea, Walker is going to rise the fees to us the hunters
and fishers, but the taxes on the rich ! Great

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from Angel Bell wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Such hunting should be banned to save the few wildlife left. We should preserve it.

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from bounty1 wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Angel Bell... You say "to save the few wildlife left"? I don't know where you're coming from, but here in N.C. Wis. ALL wildlife is WELL ABOVE satisfactory goal.

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from HogBlog wrote 1 year 46 weeks ago

I'm so sick of grandstanding, idiot politicians who play on the ignorance and fear of the idiots who keep electing them. Of course the bulk of the media plays the same game, pandering to fear and building sensationalized headlines that do nothing but perpetuate and propagate the ignorance.

It's been a long day of stupid crap in the media, so I'm venting... but really, are the people of Wisconsin ignorant enough to think that simply having Dr. Kroll consult on the health of the deer herd is going to enable the state to sell off its public land to the highest bidders? If, as I expect, they're not... then they ought to drum those assemblymen right out of their elected offices. But if they are, then lord help 'em. It's out of my hands.

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from CL3 wrote 1 year 46 weeks ago

wischneider: Problem is, folk like you can't accept people with other views, or without calling someone "stupid." It's all black & white to you, eh? Dem or Repub, no in between? The best Dems here in PA do more for conservation and sportsmen than you might think.

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from coachsjike wrote 1 year 45 weeks ago

hey wischneider

are you retarded? people in wisconsin don't have to go or not go for it. if this jackwagon wants it put into effect and gets enough financial backing to support him, he is gonna do it. look at all the problems he is creating with every state employee in that state. the key word here is money! hunting is no longer a family / free sport. it is getting to be a rich man's sport and this is proof that it is going this way.

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from wischneider wrote 1 year 46 weeks ago

the Democrats, in Wisconsin particularly, are stupid. Their childish antics and scare tactics are despicable. This would never happen, most sportsmen are conservatives who would never go for something like this.

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from dtownley wrote 1 year 46 weeks ago

Came from the Great State of Michigan in 1983 to the Great State of Texas, very little National Forest/ Public land and what there was of it was poached so heavy I had not heard from anyone that had taken deer from it. 20 + yrs later we get charged $48 dollars to hunt some very well taken care of dirt that even physically challenged(manicured trails to get anyone in) can get in there and have the time of their lives and score great game on 1.3 million acres not to mention the lottery and State Park hunts. Not the acres Michigan has but very well policed as everyone hunting pays as do non-hunters that pay to access...I did'nt think it would work but was pleasantly surprised. It does not mean that we do not have some da-m stupid game laws here 'cause we do. Deer grow antler in Texas but haveing hunted here for 29 seasons they really don't put anyone in charge that knows a post hole from crawfish hole when it come to knowing genetics or what a deer population needs to grow antlers to dimensions to make them fall within there specs to be legal.OVERPOPULATED DEER in Texas NEVER AND WILL NEVER GROW WISCONSON or MICHIGAN BONE MASS. We have pushed our lack of knowledge of these animals to the point we need DOE years and BUCK years.
If a democrats mouth is open look for a fish pole 'cause its surely going to be a great story but the unions will guarantee there was a fish. If a Texan says its not about politics rest assured his family had fresh fish that night and it was legal. Everybody hang on to your wallets, guvments talking. I know what I call six Democrats tell'ing folks in Wisconson what folks in Texas did starts with a L and ends in screwed

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from Pacific Hunter wrote 1 year 46 weeks ago

Tread lightly here. The root of what is at stake runs far deeper than the thought of selling public land. This paradigm shift of hunting economics, which is what it all comes down too, is terrifying unless the idea of lease hunting and the best going to the highest bidder is something you like. Why call in an "expert" from Texas to fix what can easily be considered the greatest whitetail producing state ever. What are the motivations here? The recommendation is that the state turns over management of deer herds and public land to consulting firms to manage and puts more choice with the landowner on how many deer he harvests on his land. Kinda like Texas where people pay biologists to come give them advice on ways to best manage their land. What do you think Dr. Deer's (James Kroll's) business is. Wildlife consulting and management. A blind man can still see the conflict of interest a mile away.

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from HogBlog wrote 1 year 46 weeks ago

Pacific Hunter, how is it a conflict of interest to be an expert and be hired for your expertise? Am I just totally misunderstanding what you've written?

Yes, there is a big issue with the privatization of wildlife resources. Some folks seem to think it's OK to throw a high fence around a couple thousand acres and suddenly "own" all the wildlife within that fence, and that's a problem.

But, and correct me again if I'm wrong, isn't Wisconsin the state that just decimated its deer herd in several counties because of the threat of CWD, despite the advice of trained experts? I doubt that Dr. Kroll is there to turn the entire Badger State into another Texas. And regardless of what you may think about the Texas game farms where he learned a lot of his trade, the man is an expert in his field. He knows whitetail deer.

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from jamesti wrote 1 year 46 weeks ago

wiconsin has always had great deer hunting from what i've heard. so why is kroll really there?

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from missedit wrote 1 year 46 weeks ago

Hey what's happening to going out in the woods & putting food on the table,you
Can't. eat antlers.
Sure everyone would to have a mount on the wall to show & brag about.
There are a lot of people that don't have much of a income & the meat they hunt
is the only meat they can afford.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from camperdog62 wrote 1 year 46 weeks ago

I don't know what half wit wrote the original article about Texas public land being sold off and made into a "private pay to hunt system."
THIS IS 100% PURE UNCUT BS!!!
As a lifelong Texan and hunter, I can tell you that while Texas land is about 96% PRIVATELY OWNED, that the State owned lands available for hunting are NEVER "SOLD OFF," for ANY purpose. Huntin (n season)is available to any licensed hunter, either by DRAWING or by OPEN (come one come all)AVAILABILITY.The "process" the referred to DOES NOT EXIST!!!
On occasion, however, private landowners give or bequeth land to the State and organizations like the Nature Conservancy BUY then SELL land to the State which is sometimes used for public and camping
Also, the State LEASES land from private landowners each year and makes it available to the public for hunting. These operations are handled and overseen by Texas Parks and Wildlife. DO YOUR HOMEWORK!!!

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from wisc14 wrote 1 year 45 weeks ago

kroll was hired because there has been a LOT of whining by deer hunters in wi. seems like most hunters got spoiled of years seeing tons of deer with little to no scouting. go to the bar friday before opening morning and getting to the deer stand at 9 o clock won't work anymore. definately not as many deeer in the northwoods, still tons in the southern part of the states. you need to be a skilled hunter to get deer in the north now.

all the politicians in wi are terrible in my opinion. no compromising. walker has repealed wetland regs and wanted to streamline taconite mining regs which TU opposed (it didn't pass). a quick search on the internet will show him out on opening day of fishing, he's holding the spinning reel upside down. also he hired a lady who never bought a fishing liscense and the only hunting liscense she bought was a turkey liscense one year as the secretary of the dnr.

i didn't mind kroll until he said the habitat on our public lands are lacking. couldn't believe he said that. sorry mr kroll that the wi northwoods aren't managed as a whitetail game farm. we have turkey, ruffed grouse, bear, rabbit,squirrel, great wild trout streams, and some of the best muskellunge fishing in the world. all on public land that is free.

i'll take the chequamagon-nicolet national forest over anyplace in texas any day of the week

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from fliphuntr14 wrote 1 year 45 weeks ago

The overhauls he's pushed are instant gratification and they appear to feed on the ignorance of many, they will have long term consequences. His goal is to put our state in a race to bottom so no it would not surprise me that something like this would get signed.

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from Angel Bell wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Such hunting should be banned to save the few wildlife left. We should preserve it.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 46 weeks ago

Look at what happened to Iowa when they jacked up there nonresident fees and look at the revenue they lost from out of state Sportsmen

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from JakeT_little.Racks wrote 1 year 45 weeks ago

WISCONSIN>TEXAS. SCOTT WALKER>DEMOCRATS.

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from walt in wi wrote 1 year 45 weeks ago

Can't say I am a Walker fan at all. He's sold out the state on a lot of conservation issues regarding wetlands, mining,and DNR management. Kroll was "hired" to pacify angry whitetail hunters that expected to see more deer than the DNR were reporting. I'm afraid for our future woods and water quality if more rules and regulations passed in the 70's to stop pollution are stripped away. WI used to be a leader in this area. Not anymore.

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from apape720 wrote 1 year 45 weeks ago

As a true blooded Wisconsin hunter, I can assure you this is all a bunch of humdrum. Having formerly worked for the DNR, I know how important deer hunting is to this state. Wisconsin deer hunters are an extremely powerful lobby. There is no way anything like this would ever fly in this state. The drama is being concocted out of fear mongering that is politically based, not scientific management based. Wisconsin hunters needn't worry. This is all a bunch of crap.

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from doublehaul wrote 1 year 45 weeks ago

Just for the sake of accuracy, Texas did not sell off its lands for hunting. When Texas joined the Union in 1845 she offered the U.S. much of her territory if the U.S. would assume much of Texas' debt. Congress refused and the rest is history. Texas sold off the lands in order to encourage settlement and pay it debts. If Texas had been a territory and joined the Union like other states things would probably be quite different. Given the oil and gas resources of Texas and its larger offshore public lands, maybe Congress should have taken the deal...?

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from CL3 wrote 1 year 45 weeks ago

www.realtree.com/hunting/realtree-hunting-blogs/brow-tines-and-back-stra...

"Now add in the facts that Gov. Walker is facing a recall vote on Tuesday, June 5 and that an article in a Texas publication quotes Kroll calling public wildlife management a system of communism, describing national parks as "wildlife ghettos" and calling hunters looking for more public hunting opportunities as "pining for socialism."

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from coachsjike wrote 1 year 45 weeks ago

the sad part is that the main reason for this state and any other state wanting to do this is to generate money. maybe every state in the country should stop handing out things for free! i have said this many times before that the illegal immigration is out of control. did you know that the same illegals that work many farms here in the U.S. are also allowed to privately hunt the property in order to protect the crops? now what business do they have being allowed to hunt with no firearm license, no hunting license or ANY hunter education? and yet we as citizens are not allowed to say or do anything because our local politicians are afraid of being sued for racial profiling! look at what is now happening in arizona, that new law is considered unconstitutional. how does a country like ours protect people who are breaking the law (hence the word illegal) and give them rights of that of a US born citizen? these people get a free education in many public schools, do not claim taxes of any kind, suck up every imaginable type of free health care, and they don't contribute!!! now they are allowed to hunt and fish with no license. this state and every other state is going after people who are going to pay for it regardless and thats who is being targeted. is pure bull$hit plain and simple.

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from andy1300 wrote 1 year 44 weeks ago

Yea, Walker is going to rise the fees to us the hunters
and fishers, but the taxes on the rich ! Great

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from bounty1 wrote 1 year 42 weeks ago

Angel Bell... You say "to save the few wildlife left"? I don't know where you're coming from, but here in N.C. Wis. ALL wildlife is WELL ABOVE satisfactory goal.

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from CL3 wrote 1 year 46 weeks ago

What's Walker's track record? Bait-and-Switch got him elected, right, or why is he being recalled? Where there is smoke, there's fire.

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