I didn't think they had to ask for anything...just took it, and did what they want. Basically, that is what I saw in WA ST. when I lived there. They'd shoot pregnant does out of season, net fish out of season, and let them lay there on a beach to rot deciding they didn't want them etc. Wasn't worth the money to prosecute them, or the manpower to investigate them. They'd be referred to the Tribal Council if caught, and nothing would be done.

The Discussion about entitlement at its finest. "You stole our land, we get to hunt at night with big lights." Some federal judge will abide to avoid being called a racist. Then the federal government will throw in the money to buy them spot lights and force the state to let them do it year round and pass it all off as it was part of their heritage that we took from them. Yes I have had to do with Native American tribes before. Hopefully, all the things I have said are just hot air because this would be really bad for hunting everywhere.

Don't bash on all Native american tribes because of what one tribe wants.

i sold a red dot scope (with a laser attached) to a woman and her son the other day actually who said they get big bucks on camera and those who don't spotlight them don't get a shot at them when there extended season opens. Im a bit of a pessimist when it comes to indian reparations as in other civilizations there ethics did not pay the peoples back for how they treated them. Its also my understanding that they attempted genocide and not just unfair law practices. Now i know that the united states was founded on different principals but when those principals cause a large social issue for those they are supposed to help they may not be worth the ink. Besides whats wrong with are modern day management, some might argue that our management is more in line with there previous views and heritage than there apparent plunder and misuse of resources today. They took what they needed and understood as a whole that they use everything they could, this was also not with modern day tools and values of whats "good".

The indians also shot an elk in WI this fall and we don't even have an open season for them here.

It's just as offensive here in ID. What every law abiding taxpaying sportsman calls "critical winter habitat," somehow the indians call traditional ancestoral hunting grounds. Nevermind they are using "White-man trucks", "White-man's" clothing, and "White-mans's" weapons. It boils down to taxpayer subsidized poaching, at the expense of Idahos already struggling elk herds. Equal rights only applies when it's convient it seems.

Muskie is right. It is in retaliation to the DNR and the legislature opening up a wolf season. They strongly objected to it and felt that their religeous concerns were ignored. Thus the elk hunt and the night-time deer hunt request.

to all of you "knowledgeable" white folk on here. I as a native american know many Caucasian folk that shine. many more than natives. so don't spread this garbage that natives don't abide by the law and take what we want. we are sovereign nations that follow our own laws. it disappoints me that people are so ignorant on issues like this when you know very little about a culture and then make fun of our ways like its a joke. I am a very avid outdoorsman, probably more than most of you on here. I was raised on my traditional and cultural ways. To all of you that say to use our "cultural ways" you can screw off. less than 100 years ago native children were taken from their homes and families and put into missionary schools where they were forced to cut their hair and stop speaking their native language. We were ripped from our culture because it was the law. now you want us to go back to our cultural ways? you are so ignorant! This is why schools now need native american history to get rid of ignorant folk like you.

I have to say I find the above posts ironic to say the least and amusing in general. I grew up in Brooklyn a microcosm of Ethnicities, Religions, Political parties,Organized Crime,gangs, special interest groups and tribes. A myriad of invisible boundaries. They all seem to live together fairly well as individuals. It's not till the ethnic or religious card is played that people blame outsiders for their problems or to get a larger slice of he pie. We had an Orthodox community that wanted to ban women wearing shorts on their public streets. They also resisted the placement of street cameras. Rather than to curb crime they thought them intrusive to their closed society. I have a friend who owns an old world butcher shop. Smoking meat is key to this. A group brought him to court sighting air pollution. Indians do not seem to be immune to this ridiculous behavior and frivolous use of the judicial system. I have seen a few. The two that come to mind are a law suit against a Beer company because it fostered Alcoholism in the tribe. Second against California involving Wind Turbines. Although being good for the environment and outside of the reservation; ruined the view. In closing I believe Native Americans if they believe themselves a Sovereign Nation should take a page from Vegas. What happens on the Rez stays on the Rez and if you take Federal Money you are liable to Federal Law. And stop being Litigious you just look silly.

I don't really care if they are given the right to do this or not. Likely there aren't enough of them doing this to make an impact.

What concerns me is when they're given the right when it demonstrably is hazardous to the species they're hunting or fishing for.

In such cases, the government should just negotiate a payment to them in lieu of the activity they want to undertake. Likely that would be much cheaper than the cost of undertaking actions to mitigate results of the activity.

Indigenous people the world over have negotiated rights based on their culture, why should it be any different here in the US?

CMill89 No offense but your people are not the first to be conquered. The ebb and flow of land and people has been going on since way before my God wore short pants. It's only because you live in America and we are so PC. Go drag out a few maps of Europe and Asia and see the changes that have taken place over the last 200 years. Just because you walked over the land bridge from Asia does not give you eminent domain. That was immigration just like everyone else just by a few years. You want to feel better about yourself look at Palestine. They can't even have Casinos and no tax cigarettes. You just had the bad luck of migrating across where someone wanted to build a house.

Complete bull$hit if they let this happen. Abide by the fish and game laws that were put in place for a reason. Why give someone else the privilege to shoot deer at night when no one else can. I hope the Feds don't back down on this one.

Ah yes, the old "We stole your land, commited genocide on your people, made you a sovereign nation and then made legally binding treatys with you, that were never really even followed, but you need to just get over it" argument.

Kaje; You can be anything you want. You are in my America and you do have the freedom of choice. You are also liable to the freedom of consequence. You want to PEE in your river and say it's the proud tradition of some tribe that has only been made attractive by Hollywood. Have at it. Yours is not the only race to ever come in second place in an axe fight. Having grown up after WWII I can say my people were subject to prejudice, being ostracized and have their "Native" land divided. But we didn't whine about it and go on the Government T!T. Look back at Japanese Americans. Their was a time they were on the REZ.. After the time past they got off and made something of themselves. They didn't sit in their own filth and sell blankets. If you want to drag your fathers, father, father into the discussion. Mine where advancing to build Cathedrals to our Gods. Building rockets to the stars and curing disease. We certainly did not stop progressing after we learned to Chip a Stone Point. We also learned before you "Noble Red Men" that brewing beer was a safe alternative to drinking the water some local would PEE in. We also knew that some of us couldn't handle it. But we didn't blame the Brewer. I am here to tell you the reason most people have no respect for you is that you want it both ways. I grew up in a land called Brooklyn. We had an indigenous Tribe. It was called Organized Crime. They chose to live by their own rules and customs. But they did not ask for the protection of the Federal Government and did not whine when they where caught. So get off the Dances With Wolves Cr@p and stop trying to get something for nothing and holding some poor Deer Hostage.

With "tongue in cheek"---just wondering if I could be legally adopted by an Indian Tribe ? That way I could get a piece of that 6 Billion Dollar Fund, plus free healthcare a college education, monthly cash from the Fed. share in the UN TAXED profits fro their countless casinos and.......if I chose to....."jack a few deer"!!!!

Ah yes my friends...enjoy OUR tax money at work!!

sorry carl huber, my post was meant for cmill and dan malcheski

wisc14 sorry my bad! GB F&S